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Cool ways to use the GPS in the Kaiser

There are two apps that I have used that I must say make the GPS built into the Kaiser along with its data connectivity pretty cool. Of course, the GPS is a great tool for mapping software such as TomTom, iGuidance, Google Maps, MS Live Search, and others... but the possibilities of GPS in a connected device like the Kaiser can lead to many other great things. Two that I have found useful are Mobile Justice and 3d Tracking. Here is a quick description of what they are.
First, I have installed Mobile Justice which alerts you when a SIM card is changed and will send a text message to a number of your choosing when it is changed... for example it was stolen and a card was sent in. It can also send the current GPS location. In addition, you can send the device a text message with a keyword and request at any time, the current GPS location. You can also put a message on the device screen. I know people often cook this application into ROMs. I hope that someone does this for a future Kaiser kitchen. I learned about the new GPS features here: http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/mobile_justice_sms_your_phone.html
The other app that I have used that is kind of nifty is 3d tracking. It updates your GPS location in near real time to a website that you can use a PC to monitor. The mapping is done using Google maps. Very cool way to keep track of valuables such as your teenagers. ;-)
http://free.3dtracking.net/home.aspx
What other cool uses for the GPS have you found to use with your Kaiser?

I think the latest is the GPS photo functionality that was discovered to be built in. We were talking about this functionality at work but in an actual camera. Little did I know that i would discover this same function active in my TyTn II

y2whisper said:
I think the latest is the GPS photo functionality that was discovered to be built in. We were talking about this functionality at work but in an actual camera. Little did I know that i would discover this same function active in my TyTn II
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I did see that in the forums which just made the camera in the phone that much more useful. Very useful when on hikes or vacationing to take a quick snapshot. Sure, the camera on the phone is not a replacement for a high quality digital camera, but it is convenient and in outdoor light, does a pretty good job. Combined with the GPS tagging, it is fun too. I hope we get to see even more uses for the integrated GPS.

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y2whisper said:
I think the latest is the GPS photo functionality that was discovered to be built in. We were talking about this functionality at work but in an actual camera. Little did I know that i would discover this same function active in my TyTn II
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Can you please explain this function and how it can be used.
I am using Nokia's smart2go gps software in my Tytn-II and its working gr8, with Nokia's maploader u can download very detailed maps with very good databases particularly for middle-east.

Similar to your Mobile Justice product, here's one I saw the other day. Its kind of like LoJack for your phone:
http://www.pocketpc-live.com/pocketpc-softwares/ultimate-theft-alert-v3-for-pocket-pcs-2.html
It You can have your phone let you know where it is if its ever lost.

The company I work for does gps tracking for sports (running, skiing etc). I won't post the link, as i dont want to be seen as advertising.
But its pretty cool to be able to see how fast you ski (57.2mph is my fastest so far).

Someone sent me a note on this site that does something similar to 3d tracking. I will try it out now to see how it works.
http://gps.gpsxml.com/

Here is another tool that has a description with features similar to WIMP (Where Is My Phone) and Mobile Justice. Has anyone heard of it or tested it before? It is called Ultimate Theft Alert and has GPS as an add-on option.
http://www.pocketpc-live.com/pocketpc-softwares/ultimate-theft-alert-v3-for-pocket-pcs-2.html

I had no idea there were so many tools for GPS integrated mobile phones. Here is another freebie, this time from a well known PPC developer, VITO Technology. It is called FindMe
http://www.vitotechnology.com/en/products/findme.html

And for those with coding experience... here is an example with source code.
http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/FindMe.asp

swarnabhab said:
Can you please explain this function and how it can be used.
I am using Nokia's smart2go gps software in my Tytn-II and its working gr8, with Nokia's maploader u can download very detailed maps with very good databases particularly for middle-east.
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Basic use would be if you wanted to add pictures to a map (google earth i believe supports this) you take a picture and in geomarks your pic.
It is basically done by regedit - you can read more on this in this exact forum (should be on page one or two -- easy for us to say this while the kaiser forum is still fresh)

Have a look at this..... http://www.reperion.com/
Downloaded the software, registered an account and now my handset can be tracked by anyone with a pc.

yeah the file download was down before, working now, will try this one out

ericb said:
Have a look at this..... http://www.reperion.com/
Downloaded the software, registered an account and now my handset can be tracked by anyone with a pc.
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This is free for now it seems. I will try it out. Do you know if it is any different than 3d tracking? That one is free too.

Had a quick look t 3d tracking, reprion looks to do asimilar thing.
Both seem pretty cool anyway

Some more interesting GPS software: http://www.jgui.net/gps/index.html
Personal observation: There should be a standard for SMS messages whereby the GPS coordinates of the sender can be sent along with text or mms messages. This would be handy for location based services and when chatting with friends.

AND wth pda's
ericb said:
Have a look at this..... http://www.reperion.com/
Downloaded the software, registered an account and now my handset can be tracked by anyone with a pc.
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AND PDA ! )
http://geocool.reperion.com

Somthing wrong with the GPS
Hi
There's something definitely wrong with the GPS happening from time to time.
Today, TomTom was off by nearly 1 kilometre using the internal GPS. Using BT GPS everything was fine.
After a restart: the location was spot on again.
It has happened to me 3-4 times now that the GPS is completely off the charts.
Wonder if this could be fixed with a Radio ROM update ..

swarnabhab said:
Can you please explain this function and how it can be used.
I am using Nokia's smart2go gps software in my Tytn-II and its working gr8, with Nokia's maploader u can download very detailed maps with very good databases particularly for middle-east.
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Sorry to maybe possible hijack this threat a little. I am also using smart2go. But I can't download any maps to my MicroSD with the Maploader. It always complaint that there is no space in my card (which has 3.7GB free). How were you able to download the maps to your card?
Many thanks in advance!
PS. Never mind. I found out that Smart2Go probably has a problem with storage cards larger than 2GB as if I use smaller MicroSD cards, the Map Loader works fine. So the solution is to run Smart2Go with a blank 2G or smaller card, then copy the files to the 4G MicroSDHC. Then Map Loader works (with a size limit of 1.8G for map data).....

Ok so still having some problems.
As noted here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332811
Some programs don't instal for me, WIMP did install however (haven't tested it yet) so my assumption would be some kind of security setting that is on when installing cabs, do you guys turn it off? (i remember there was a way to do this with the Hermes) or do these apps just install out of the box (per se)?
EDIT:
Looks like its some kind of problem when i transfer the file over via activesync to the card. I put it on via straight pc to another card and it installs fine.

OCR like world card mobile?

Is there an OCR program for our phone which would let you take a photo of a document/magazine etc and convert that into text. A bit like the worldcard Mobile app but more versatile. I have searched and have so far come up with nothing.
If anyone knows of such an application please can you point me in the right direction.

There is quipit or something named like that, that allows your phone to work as a scanner. You take a picture of the document, then email it to their server and they convert it to pdf for you. Try a search for quipit or similar through google, it should show up.

There is also a service called Scanr (Scanr.com) that does the same thing.

Thanks guys but I was looking for something that was entirely on the phone so I could take a picture with the camera and then transfer it to text. Would be so much quicker than typing out or pairing up to send some stuff. Never mind I'm sure someone will come up with it one day.

Here is a free OCR software from Joerg Schulenburg under GPL licence:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&safe=active&as_qdr=all&q=ocr+Schulenburg&btnG=Suche&lr=lang_en
It is just a backend-software but it runs with Pocket PC. We would need a WM6 frontend (GUI) with an integration of the Kaiser-camera.
Hompage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/jocr/
Download:
http://pocketpedia.de/gocr_download/

heinz2007 said:
Here is a free OCR software from Joerg Schulenburg under GPL licence:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&safe=active&as_qdr=all&q=ocr+Schulenburg&btnG=Suche&lr=lang_en
It is just a backend-software but it runs with Pocket PC. We would need a WM6 frontend (GUI) with an integration of the Kaiser-camera.
Hompage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/jocr/
Download:
http://pocketpedia.de/gocr_download/
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I went to the web page but unfortunately I'm not that intelligent to work out what I needed to do. I need an app to put on my phone to do it all for me! Like World card Mobile does.

GOCR is a free software, that may fit to xda-developers.
http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/jocr/gocr-0.44.tar.gz
There is a short manual inside, but it is no turnkey solution. GOCR even supports OCR for a proper handwriting.
Here is at least a Windows Frontend to GOCR:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Graphic/Graphic-Others/GOCR-Windows-Frontend.shtml
Maybe later GORC can become an app to put on the Kaiser (to do it all for us - like World card Mobile does).

Desktopflame said:
I went to the web page but unfortunately I'm not that intelligent to work out what I needed to do. I need an app to put on my phone to do it all for me! Like World card Mobile does.
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Then you may have to wait a bit for someone else to do the work for you so all you have to do it run the .cab
At least one of the TyTN II localized phones didn't even come with World Card Mobile, so you at least have something.

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You can use the ocr sdk for mobile devices from ABBYY.it is not free though.
http://www.abbyy.com/sdk/?param=56223
using this sdk, you can convert any image to text, either by using the camera or by browsing to an image file and processing it using the ocr.

tommy.touma said:
You can use the ocr sdk for mobile devices from ABBYY.it is not free though.
http://www.abbyy.com/sdk/?param=56223
using this sdk, you can convert any image to text, either by using the camera or by browsing to an image file and processing it using the ocr.
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Has anyone gotten this working with either GOCR or the ABBYY.it sdk? Or has anyone found an alternative application? The ABBYY FotoReader software would be perfect if there was a Windows Mobile version (existing version is for PC). If I was a software developer and had the time I'd get the sdk going, but it's beyond me at the moment. It really would be great to take a picture of a document and have it ocr'd right then available on your handheld like World Card Mobile does for business cards.

OCR
Hello every body
I’m looking for Automatic Number Plate Recognition software (OCR Optical character recognition) for Pocket PC.
I want to use it to recognize a license plate.
Is there anyone who already hears about it or use this kind of technology?
Thanks,

Barcode Reader Software?

Heya folks,
I'm looking for a solution to scan ISBN codes from my book collection into a some sort of library or catalog database.
I'm wondering if someone here would know of a software that can be used on the HTC TyTN II (at&t Tilt), or any Win Mobile device with a camera.
I've found the Barcode/13 program, but that's only for palmOne Treo 600. I could work with something similar just to create a CVS file of ISBN numbers and transfer that to another program on my PC, but would rather have an all-in-one software.
Thanks,
Zyir

I'm also looking for a way to integrate barcode scanning into a .NET app. For the enterprise...I'd like to keep track of assets.

sounds like you want to use the built-in camera.
I've used PPCs to do barcode reading using SerialMagic and the LaserCHamp Bluetooth scanner from http://serialio.com/
It works quite well.

lthown said:
sounds like you want to use the built-in camera.
I've used PPCs to do barcode reading using SerialMagic and the LaserCHamp Bluetooth scanner from http://serialio.com/
It works quite well.
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I might have to go that route, but would rather find a software that will use the Kaiser's camera to read the barcodes.
I'm trying to avoid purchasing an additional device just to scan a couple hundred books.

http://www.quickmark.com.tw/En/basic/index.asp

lthown said:
sounds like you want to use the built-in camera.
I've used PPCs to do barcode reading using SerialMagic and the LaserCHamp Bluetooth scanner from http://serialio.com/
It works quite well.
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Yeah, it's just that the idea is to avoid having them lug around a barcode scanner to track assets. If they have to carry something extra we can just get to a computer. =/

ZiYi said:
http://www.quickmark.com.tw/En/basic/index.asp
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Will QuickMark scan linear (1D) barcodes like the ISBN on books? Everything I've found indicates that it only reads 2D barcodes (like QR Codes, etc.).

Take a look at MS A.U.R.A. at http://aura.research.microsoft.com

GSLEON3 said:
Take a look at MS A.U.R.A. at http://aura.research.microsoft.com
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Doesn't work...

GSLEON3 said:
Take a look at MS A.U.R.A. at http://aura.research.microsoft.com
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Can't get that now...
From the link... "Microsoft Research AURA project and all AURA services have terminated as of June 30, 2007."
From what I've found, that would have worked for what I want, but alas...

Batoo
There seems to be a free java implementation that decodes 1D barcodes. I had no success trying it on my kaiser: http://people.inf.ethz.ch/adelmanr/batoo/
Perhaps it is a good starting point to use this source to develope something useful.

I found this a while ago. I think I remember their SDK was free for 1D codes, or something. I forget, check the link. Cool video included.
http://www.mobileama.com/Barcode.htm
EDIT: Yep, this is what you want.

I was able to find a download for Microsoft's A.U.R.A.
It's kinda nifty to play with. It'll scan 1D barcodes, but I'm not finding any options to export the codes after they've been scanned. Also, it requires a 'manual' photo of the barcode; it opens the camera utility and ya use it like taking a normal macro photo (Zoom in, hope your hand is steady, and snap, then find a blurry image. Repeat multiple times until ya get a clear image that can be read).
QuickMark and i-nigma are great for 2D barcodes; they both make good use of the device's auto-focus and will read a 2D barcode without the need to manually take a photo. Though, neither of them will read 1D linear barcodes like the ISBN numbers on the books I'd like to scan.
Also, the one that Notten pointed out ( http://www.mobileama.com/Barcode.htm ) looks like it would work wonderfully, but I wasn't able to find any Windows Mobile software that uses it, nor a download for a working implementation.
So, does anyone else know of something that could be used by an individual who just wants to scan their books with an HTC Windows Mobile device?
I'm still hoping for something more like 'Barcode/13', or an inventory software that will make use of the device's camera.
Thanks,
Zyir
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I may just have to bite the bullet and buy a cheap barcode scanner to connect to my PC instead.

A solution for Bluryyyy photo
Jus look for a post where they have a new camera Apps to upgrade the one that comes with your TyTN II aka tilt, aka kaiser, aka etc. With this update you just need to do a halfpress release and it will autofocus and shoot, and there you go nog blurry images.
I used it with the Worlcard Mobile aplication to get a photo of our patients Health Plan Card, and without that new camera apps it would be a pain in the #$%$%@%@%.
So give it a try. Search for NEW CAMERA in the Forum.

Building my own
Since I haven't found any ready-made and free solution, I started experimenting on my own in C#. I have managed to develop a basic functionality where the application automatically takes snapshots (320x240, no autofocus... thanks to www.wimobot.com) and does the recognition. Well, the recognition algorithm is still in a very alpha-stage (it can detect the stop bits of a code-128)...
Anybody with some links to free C# recognition source to speed up things? I will also try the batoo code (java) sometime.
hypest

Thanks, udgn. I already have the 'new camera' and video framerates are greatly increased outdoors. Sadly, it didn't help the fact that I tend to move the camera a bit as I press the button, which is the main cause of my blurry photos with indoor lighting.
Back on topic...
I've also run across Google's ZXing project ( http://code.google.com/p/zxing/ ) but it's a Java implementation that doesn't run on Windows Mobile devices. Yet.
Zyir

Own application partial success
UPDATE: latest version can be found here
zyir01 said:
I've also run across Google's ZXing project ( http://code.google.com/p/zxing/ ) but it's a Java implementation that doesn't run on Windows Mobile devices. Yet.
Zyir
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Great find Zyir!
I took the code, converted it into c# and incorporated it in the app I'm developing and... well, there was partial success! I have attached the binary (Usual disclaimer applies: I have NO RESPONSIBILITY whatsoever for any harm done!).
The application is in alpha stage but usable. Unzip in any directory and run using a file manager. Button "Shoot" opens the normal photo-shooting app to take a photo (thus utilizing higher resolution and auto-focus), while "Live" starts auto capture (320x240, no auto-focus). The whole "thing" is quite slow, as the decoding takes a while.
I had successful decoding using the "live" mode reading a code-128 barcode (that had previously shoot in my local supermarket) displayed on my laptop's screen.
hope to hear any feedback!
hypest

Great, I'll give it a shot!

hypest said:
Great find Zyir!
I took the code, converted it into c# and incorporated it in the app I'm developing and... well, there was partial success!
hope to hear any feedback!
hypest
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Thanks!
I'll give it a whirl this evening and let ya know how it went.
Zyir

I didn't have a lot of time last weekend to check it out, but it didn't scan well for me. It wouldn't read any barcodes with "Shoot" or "Live". The Live ran at avout five seconds per frame, so was a bit of a challenge to get the camera on the barcode.
Might be due to the relatively low lighting in my house. Also, I'm using Nadavi's Camera 5.0.4.2915.00 with HTC Album, so I'm not sure if that might be part of my issue.
Zyir

Microsoft announces Windows SideShow for Windows Mobile Development Beta

The title says it all. Maybe one of the board members can play with it and create something worth installing.
you can download it here
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=79f19684-f862-4e02-a2b0-0003b4565f34&DisplayLang=en

Finally! Been waiting on this forever! Also, Live Anywhere which they promised a while back!

I do a monthly geek dinner thing where a microsoft person or two come in. One of them is really into the mobile scene. I'll ask her what she has heard/seen so far the next time I see her.
Kyle

installed and working on Diamond rom V4. it is excellent like a remote control for your pc. i am very happy with it i can see many many things will be done with this. exciting stuff.

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installed and working on Diamond rom V4. it is excellent like a remote control for your pc. i am very happy with it i can see many many things will be done with this. exciting stuff.
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can you post it please ?im on my pda atm
edit * NVM got it

Sounds Sweet!
I'll check it out...

Vista Required
Nogo on XP Pro. Requirements call for Vista or Server 2008. Might be a service driver that could be used from Vista in XP, but not sure about that.

Awesome. I have been waiting for this for some time now. It would be nice for everyone if there was mirror link posted. Also if the mods could move this to the correct section it would be great too, such as the software section.
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Thanks guys
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Here is a mirror for everyone

odic said:
Nogo on XP Pro. Requirements call for Vista or Server 2008. Might be a service driver that could be used from Vista in XP, but not sure about that.
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SideShow is a feature of Windows Vista and it has not been, and probably will never be, ported to older Windows versions due to underlying differences in the operating systems, driver models etc.

Such a shame this is only bluetooth, other sideshow devices utlise wifi.
Still cool to finally get it though.

ladytoast said:
Such a shame this is only bluetooth, other sideshow devices utlise wifi.
Still cool to finally get it though.
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It's still in its very early stages, so it may eventually get there and offer wifi support (Salling Clicker does it so MS definitely should be able to get it running).

I couldn't get it to work on my pavillion laptop (dv9700t)...it keeps saying 'can't connect' from the software. Yet, I can see it briefly connect then disconnect on my laptop. Oh well, back to salling clicker....

Windows SideShow for Windows Mobile Beta: Screenshot Tour
Hey Guys. This group has always had the most intense members of the Windows Mobile community and been a place where I can always count on learning something new.
I wanted to make sure everyone knew about the Windows SideShow for Windows Mobile Beta.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...84-f862-4e02-a2b0-0003b4565f34&displaylang=en
I have a screenshot tour if anyone is interested:
http://www.cjcraft.com/blog/2008/06...ndowsMobileBetaSeeTheScreenshotTourFirst.aspx
My goal to make something that people get a feel for the product and its possibilities.
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Chris Craft
Windows Mobile Device Application Development MVP
http://www.cjcraft.com/blog/

InGeNeTiCs said:
I couldn't get it to work on my pavillion laptop (dv9700t)...it keeps saying 'can't connect' from the software. Yet, I can see it briefly connect then disconnect on my laptop. Oh well, back to salling clicker....
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make sure u follow the installation instruction carefully, and keep trying to connect afterwards. took me a while to get it to work, but it's definitely blows salling clicker out of the water, being it's at a preview stage.... sure has potentials

CJCraft said:
Hey Guys. This group has always had the most intense members of the Windows Mobile community and been a place where I can always count on learning something new.
I wanted to make sure everyone knew about the Windows SideShow for Windows Mobile Beta.
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This is a really neat idea in theory. I just found out about this the other day when Woot had a picture frame for sale that supported SideShow.
I found it much more useful for a device like a dumb terminal picture frame. It could allow you not to just show pictures, but overlay the weather, RSS feeds, e-mail notifications, and even stream music to the frame.
Although I like that it is being supported for WM devices, I don't really see too many advantages of the current widgets/gadgets/whatever that are out there.
A WM phone is already a powerful device that has outlook, media player, office mobile (including power point) that having to stream these as a sideshow to the device seems redundant. I'm sure some plugins will come around that are very innovative, but I don't really see the use other than novelty right now.
The advantage I see would be for developers to write just a sideshow app that can run on many platforms and not just tied to vista.
For instance a sideshow app for Windows Media Center that would allow you to turn your phone into a powerful remote for WMC.
I don't know if 2008 supports sideshow yet, but if they add it in I could see a HUGE benefit of having a server monitoring sideshow that I could connect to remotely. I could keep track of servers remotely and perform some common tasks via the sideshow.
These are the types of things I'd like to see eventually.

This was posted in the general thread, but I see this one is more active so I will post my comments here as well.
This is a really neat idea in theory. I just found out about this the other day when Woot had a picture frame for sale that supported SideShow.
I found it much more useful for a device like a dumb terminal picture frame. It could allow you not to just show pictures, but overlay the weather, RSS feeds, e-mail notifications, and even stream music to the frame.
Although I like that it is being supported for WM devices, I don't really see too many advantages of the current widgets/gadgets/whatever that are out there.
A WM phone is already a powerful device that has outlook, media player, office mobile (including power point) that having to stream these as a sideshow to the device seems redundant. I'm sure some plugins will come around that are very innovative, but I don't really see the use other than novelty right now.
The advantage I see would be for developers to write just a sideshow app that can run on many platforms and not just tied to vista.
For instance a sideshow app for Windows Media Center that would allow you to turn your phone into a powerful remote for WMC.
I don't know if 2008 supports sideshow yet, but if they add it in I could see a HUGE benefit of having a server monitoring sideshow that I could connect to remotely. I could keep track of servers remotely and perform some common tasks via the sideshow.
These are the types of things I'd like to see eventually.

That had to posted by an M$ employee

This is cool
I am giving this a shot on my Tilt with the L26 diamond v5 rom. I paired my phone with my Vista business pc and connected right away. Some of the other gadgets you can install are pointless. Gmail viewer? LOL. All you can do is view the mail... so you have to walk back over to the pc and check it anyway. The media player gadget is the best... I could actually see me using this for a party or social gathering where I can control all the tunes from my phone. I COULD NOT get the picture viewer to work!!! When I downloaded the .msi file I got the error "This application is not a valid install fie" or something of that nature.
Any ideas on that one?

i still can't get the bloody thing to work.

in my experiance of it you need to be using microsoft bluetooth stack/drivers, widcom broadcom, toshiba or blueseil dont work, which is a pain because windows bluetooth drivers are very limited as to what else they do, if anybody gets this working with bluesoeil drivers let me know

Xbox 360, att tilt?

Simple question, how do I get my ATT tilt to show up on my xbox 360 elite through usb 2.0?
I cant find an exact answer or remedy.

You have to use a program that sets your microsd card as a usb jump drive like softick cardexport (theres a similar program thats free on this forum but i forgot its name).
Then you'l be able to browse your pics/music/and vids on your xbox.

I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark here and guess the free program fone_fanatic mentioned is WM5torage. However, if I remember right, you need some special version for the kaiser because the normal version doesn't work right or something.
Dave

...and I do encourage You to try card export II. it is not free, but nothing works better.
br
bro

your right DaveTheTytnIIGuy, i've been out of the 'scene' for a while and cant remember a lot of apps names and specifics.
Also i think, but can't remember clearly, that the media has to be in certain folders. Since they're both microsoft its probably My Documents\My Music... and since it supports digital cameras then pictures would probably also be read under a \DCIM folder.

Thank you guys, Ima look everything up now...... Damn I love this place. lol