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Best GPS Software for Kaiser?

Hey Folks -
I'm looking for the killer turn-by-turn software (with US Maps) - that I can digitally buy and install to my MicroSD. I've done a number of searches online looking for a product I can order and download (yes, I have the fever - IMMEDIATE GRATIFICATION IS NECESSARY) and get working with.
POI's are very important to me as is speed and stability...
Can anyone chime in with their preference? Please also supply a URL where I can purchase your favorite application...
Thanks!
StacT

uh tomtom?

there's a million threads like this, just use a search.. u'll get ur answers instantly and won't have to wait.
Having said that, I tried Destinator, TomTom, Garmin XT, TeleNav and I still stayed with iGo, which I love above all others.
Some have cool features like traffic and all that.. some are just pain in the ass (destinator).. so if you can - try it all before u buy.

Of course - I know about the players (MIO, TOMTOM, etc...) but can't find a digital distributor for just the software to install on my kaiser (like pocketgear or handango)... do you have a link?

http://www.navngo.com/pages/global/eng/where_ro_buy
scroll down to USA
wow.. they're actually really close to me, like 15-20 miles from me..
Anyway.. they have excellent US maps, at least I'm very happy with CA map - very detailed, over 2 million POIs.

Thanks for all the thoughts so far, but neither of them fits the bill -
1] The software must have North American/USA maps... iGo doesn't
2] The software must be downloadable...
Thanks!

Google maps. real-time and cheap!

liquidsilver said:
Google maps. real-time and cheap!
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Uh, cheap? It's free and sucks since you're download as you drive so a lot of the time maps just time-out. Mio Maps is one of the best, and TomTom is probably the best as far as being user friendly and simple, but, TomTom is pretty slow compared to Mio.

How about iGuidance v.4?
I've been using it for a few months. It has text-to-speech. The only problem is, you might i need GPSgate as some of the WM6.1 here doesn't refresh the screen often enough.
I've used TomTom too, it was nice but doesn't have text-to-speech.

I've used TomTom and it was pretty good, user friendly... only thing I didn't like about it was the routing and as the screen is touched it'll take you to the menu.
I've switched to Garmin and found that the one which suits me well so far --- more detail on maps, nothing popping up while touching the map on the screen, and looks a lot simpler. Its navigation software is not as "realtime" as TomTom, but is probably the most simplest to setup, install, and use

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2] The software must be downloadable...
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I don't know of one of the majors that is. With bandwidth costs they rarely fancy giving you GBs of map to download. Just buy one on a disc.

does anyone know of a good free one which allows you to put your own maps eg a photo of an os map or jpeg in for calibrating for camping hiking walking about woods ect.

I have been using a combination of TomTom and Google Maps. I use Google Maps for most of my POI's since they are updated, contain phone numbers, and are just plain easier to use. The TomTom POI's aren't that fantastic I've noticed. But I will take the location I find in Google Maps and then use TomTom to navigate me there since navigation in Google Maps isn't really turn by turn and can't redirect you automatically if you miss a turn.
My only complaint with TomTom is that you need around 1GB of storage on your SD card so you need a large one (I'm holding out for those 32s!) and it looks ugly when installed on the card. Random files and folders everywhere and it has to be on the root of the card. I'm a neat freak when it comes to file layouts so it drives me crazy.

what about ms live search?
I used it a few times on my recent vacation, it worked very well. Same benefits and drawbacks as google maps, but I think I like it's interface better than google maps.

Live Search has an arguably better navigation setup that Google Maps. GM closes when it loses it's data connection so it's worthless between cities where cell coverage is weak. MS does a better job of caching the maps and will stay active, showing the route and turns even when the data connection is lost. if I could only have one of them for road trips, it would be MS Live Search.

I've had no problems using iGuidance other than on several occasions, it took about 3 minutes to open for some reason. I also use Live Search and Google for a quick find when I need it.

godfa7h3r said:
But I will take the location I find in Google Maps and then use TomTom to navigate me there since navigation in Google Maps isn't really turn by turn and can't redirect you automatically if you miss a turn.
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haha i do the same exact thing,.... now if somebody could make a program where with one click u can transfer the address from google maps to tomtom, i'd pay for it

co-pilot live 7 will interface directly with MS live search if they ever release the NO CHARGE upgrade. it has been announced and was scheduled for release this month
BTW I paid $199 when Co-pilot 7 was released last year but the current price is $99 i guess the <$100 competition is getting to them.
I use and like Co-pilot live USA. I can't speak for other maps. the software comes preloaded on 2 gig SD card but you also get it on DVD. I copied the SD folders to my 6 gig SD card and all worked fine. the activation key is stored on local file sysem. but if you have to do a hard reset you can reactivate on same phone with no hassel.
for more info see www.alk.com

I have copilot as well, but at the $99 price point. The WM version is very nice. It comes with companion software for the desktop that just wont work on my vista laptop though.
Still for $150, you could buy a stand alone gps. But I thought about it and I always have this with me, so why buy another device? I didn't want to carry one.

GPS without a dataplan

I was wondering if I could use google maps and download the maps over my wifi. I dont have a data plan so google maps would have to save onto my phone.
Also I was wondering how does the tomtom or garmin thing work. Do I need a login or something for those, or do I just pay for the maps? (My family has a TomTom and my uncle has a Garmin )

with tomtom and gamin i believe it's std that one buy mappacks which are then placed on sdcard(s) they dont use the phone network at all

Rudegar said:
with tomtom and gamin i believe it's std that one buy mappacks which are then placed on sdcard(s) they dont use the phone network at all
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except if you want to get traffic updates of course

You can get a free trial of tomtom to install on your device and then purchase maps for regions eg UK for about £40.

to answer your first question.... although possible to download maps through wifi, you would defeat the purpose of navigation when you wandered away from an access point. google maps caches a region or grid and afaik you cannot predefine a set of grids to download in advance...
gps has nothing to do with a dataplan. gps is free to use publicly. it will be phazed out within the coming years with a better system which has allready been put into use via darpa and associated defense departments.
tomtom and most other navigation software suites come with regional maps. in the case of tomtom, they only provide one map per country. i dont believe they sell individual maps per state any more.
with programs like streets and trips, however, you can download a specified map or a custom map to your device, thus, no need for a data (or gps) connection. gps would only be needed for real time positioning and statistics.
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gps software

I just bought a fuze and was doing some searching on here but cant find an answer can someone post some links on install or purchase gps/nav software for the fuze like garmin, tomtom, igo and things like that i need a good gps program

GPS software
Definitely try before you buy.
I like and use iNav's iGuidance. There are versions for both the PC/UMPC and PDA. Its convenient to be able to run the same app on the PC (play routes and etc.)
You may need to use franson GPSgate (I'm not sure for the Fuze). I have an older Mugal and it's internal GPS has issues. GPSgate (a pay for app) allows your phone to be a Bluetooth GPS device, as well as record routes (even to the gpsgate.com).

thats great and all but where do i get these apps i dont mind paying for them.
also i was looking at standalone gps and noticed that some even tell you how fast your travling is there any thing out there like that

http://gpsinformation.org/dale/PocketPC/wince.htm
Outdated page but it gives you a wealth of info to get started on your quest for ppc gps programs. Alot of basic ones are freeware. The nicer ones are payware.
Myself I use Nav and Go (Igo) for my navigation software.

I use OCN8 (http://www.oncoursenavigator.com/). I really like it. The first place to look at GPS software is www.buygpsnow.com. They have most of th popular street navigation programs. If you want topographic navigation programs (off-road) I would look at Memory-Map Navigator (http://www.memory-map.com), OziExplorer (http://www.oziexplorer.com) and BackCountry Navigator (http://www.backcountrynavigator.com). There are other topographic programs available, but these are the three I like.

are there any programs that tell you how fast your travling in mph

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are there any programs that tell you how fast your travling in mph
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Most of them do, you just need to set it.
I use Igo 2006 on my PNA, its great!
Although im trying to get some gps app working on my HTC touch PRo....finding it rarther difficult!

Some things to pay attention to:
1) Navigation - detours, methods/options (fastest, shortest)
2) Alerts - speed, weather
3) Points of Interest - categories, how many, usefulness
4) Maps - span, updates, etc.
5) Update methodology - how often, cost, new features, patches, support
6) GPS compatible - NMEA, Garman
7) Compatibility - device, display, OS, routes files, maps
8) Trip computer - average speed, max. speed, time of arrival, etc.
Try the freebies, Microsoft's Live Search and Google Maps for Mobile, they provide maps and directions along with extra online services (gas prices, movies, etc.-).

Xorgeo said:
Try the freebies, Microsoft's Live Search and Google Maps for Mobile, they provide maps and directions along with extra online services (gas prices, movies, etc.-).
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And definitely check out amazegps.com: free, with moving maps and spoken turn-by-turn navigation assistance (which Live Search and Google Maps don't have).

All the programs I mentioned above will display your speed. You should really look at the screen captures for OCN8. I was never a fan of the 3D display. OCN6, the version before OCN8 changed that. It's 3D map display was excellent. In OCN8, they have made it even better. In OCN8, they added building for many larger cities and will show elevation changes on the map. I believe it is the first street navigation program to do that. It makes the 3D map display very realistic. ONC8 also has a trip computer. It will give average speed for the trip, average driving speed for the trip, total time for the trip, driving time and stopped time. OCN8 has also updated the menus to make them very finger friendly.

The other thing to figure out is which type of map a program uses. The two most common ones are TeleAtlas and Navteq, and also how recent they are.
I've found Navteq to be more complete in the US than TeleAtlas, atleast in my area.
Garmin PNA = Navteq
TomTom PNA = TeleAtlas
So if you've ever used the standalone GPS units, see which one has more complete maps in your area.

i have a quick question about google maps. when you set directions with gps, when you pass a checkpoint does it update to the next one? will it count down the distance to the next checkpoint, or turn?

I was looking at the onc8 and cant figure out what the difference between the 2gb 4gb and 8gb is.

OCN8 is based on iGO8 engine; actually is iGO8 rebranded for USA.

bottlefed1 said:
I was looking at the onc8 and cant figure out what the difference between the 2gb 4gb and 8gb is.
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OCN8 is sold only on SD cards -- you can't move/copy it to a different card, so you have to use the one you bought. You pick the size of the card you want to buy it on, depending on how much additional space you want to have left over after the application and maps. I think the 2GB card has a couple of hundred MB left, so if you're planning to use the navigation program and have a lot of audio or video, too, you'd want to buy it on a 4 or 8GB card instead of the 2GB card.
(This, BTW, is a deal-breaker for me; I love what I've seen of OCN8 in reviews and such and would definitely buy it if I could put it on my own card, but I'm not going to pay them for the program AND a large card when I already have a card.)

does onc8 on the fuze move and look like the screenshots on there site or is it more chopy then that it seems to move very smothly

also does the fuze support the sdhc standard so i can get either the 4 or 8 gb card

Yes, the Fuze supports sdhc. I have the OCN 8 on the 8GB card and use it in my Fuze. The map runs very smoothly just like in the demos if you can get the Fuze GPS working. I could not get a fix with any program. I finally found this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=457996. I did steps 1 an 2 in post 1. I then deleted the gps log file names as suggested in post 8 steps 5. 1. and 5. 2. I then completed steps 3, 4 and 5 in post 1. Now the GPS work great with OCN8, Memory-Map Navigator and GPS Test. I get a GPS lock in around a minute.
I thought OCN6 was good, but OCN8 has taken street navigation to the next level. There were several things missing in OCN6 like saving a route to name one, that OCN8 has fixed. OCN8 has all the bells and whistles. OCN4 and 5 had Navteq maps and OCN6 and 8 had/have TeleAtlas maps. I have heard the aurguments about which map datbase is better. To tell you the truth, I have seen no difference. I have also installed Memory-Map Navigator on the card. I have a little over 5 GB free.

sweet o guess onc8 it is then

Screen pin lock compatibility?
Of the applications listed, the only one that I am aware of that keeps the phone from locking is Live Search. If your IT org forces a pin lock after a given number of minutes, that can be a real problem when you're using your phone as a GPS device.
Does anyone know of a turn-by-turn program that works properly with pin lock?
Does NOT work:
google maps
at&t navigator
tom tom 6

Igo (MyWay) 8 vs TomTom Mobile Navigator - why Igo Wins

First and foremost. This may be just my imagination, but I'm starting to think that part of the GPS issues that everybody experiences with the Raphael (Fuze) might be due to TomTom's DLLs...
I've used TomTom extensively on my past 3 phones - an 8525, a Kaiser, and now my Fuze. I just got Igo MyWay 8 - and have to say that overall, I'm much happier with Igo (and I loved TomTom in spite of it's shortcomings with this phone).
Satellite lock and speed
- Igo gets a satellite lock *MUCH* faster than TomTom ever could. I assumed that this wouldn't change, assuming it was a hardware anomaly - but it appears the DLLs used to communicate from software to OEM device vary from app-to-app. Igo wins this one hands down - I get locks inside my house inside of 20 seconds COLD and within 3-5 seconds "hot" or outside. No, I'm not on acid. That fast.
Ease of use
- TomTom *is* more customizable. But many of the customizations you can make are... well... useless. TomTom has the edge here, but not by much.
Features
- Igo has Text-to-Speech (TTS) - something that apparently TomTom has no intention of supporting. I've heard rumors that the current version of TT does support TTS, but I have the current version and could find nothing on it. In the directions, the saying of street names is VERY helpful. Igo matches TT feature-by-feature, the only thing I missed in Igo was the browse map of TomTom (you can browse in Igo - it's just not as intuitive). Also, Igo has actual 3D mapping of both topography and major cities. Way cool - know where the next big hill is, navigate based on building shape, etc.
Igo wins hands-down.
Cost
- Both have the pay-for-map business model, though Igo's at least for the moment are significantly cheaper. Igo wins again.
POIs
- TomTom seemed to have a bit more POI's loaded stock, but the difference was negligible. Even.
All in all, I'll keep TomTom on my phone, but purely for reference if needed. Since I installed Igo, I've not used TomTom even once.

I have to agree with you on all points. I used to be a big believer in Tomtom, but after trying iGo 8 i will not be going back!

I've read a bunch of good stuff about Igo... the thing that sucks is that apps like footprints are usually tomtom compatible and nothing else.

I guess it all depends where you are... I've researched igo a bit and I dont think the maps released for north america as up to date as TOMTOMS... I could be wrong though. If they are... do they have 3d landmarks like they do in Europe? By like they do in Europe I mean as many...

Contacts?
Can you navigate to your contacts addresses with Igo?
I used Igo before and the reason I switched back to TomTom was simply because I use it for business.
So navigating to my contact addresses is a must.
Does your version of Igo support contact addresses?

p50kombi said:
Can you navigate to your contacts addresses with Igo?
I used Igo before and the reason I switched back to TomTom was simply because I use it for business.
So navigating to my contact addresses is a must.
Does your version of Igo support contact addresses?
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Nope. I don't see any contact adress implementation in iGO8. Seems like a very difficult feature though... You never know if you wrote all street names correctly

I've used both IGO and TomTom and I disagree with the results here.
1. TomTom makes usage of special tools such as traffic, downloading extra extra POI with ease, and also editing your map with ease
2. TomTom has MANY more POI then IGO, my entire town had like 10 POI on IGO, on TomTom it has more than 100
3. I feel the TomTom is easier to manage in terms of locking on a GPS, setting it up (depending on where you configured it) and other methods.
TomTom wins

KRAZzysoldier said:
Nope. I don't see any contact adress implementation in iGO8. Seems like a very difficult feature though... You never know if you wrote all street names correctly
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That's not really true.
If TomTom gets confused, it shows you the options that it thinks are most likely to match the contact address and you can choose the one you think it is.
So for me, TomTom wins by a landslide.
btw, with Igo, I had much more GPS lag than with TomTom.

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That's not really true.
If TomTom gets confused, it shows you the options that it thinks are most likely to match the contact address and you can choose the one you think it is.
So for me, TomTom wins by a landslide.
btw, with Igo, I had much more GPS lag than with TomTom.
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Great! I didn't know that because I never used TomTom as they don't make uptodate maps for my country. Igo has always provided the best routes as it has the most up to date maps for me... it seems that the app one might prefer more depends on the location. Afterall that's what gps navigation software's main purpose is.

The definitive answers
When I saw a new Igo8 thread, why, I immediately pitched a tent in my pants, round house kicked and double fist pumped!
Igo8, when customized the right way, is the best hands down.
I currently have R3 Igo 8.3 (Jan 7). Now, you don't want to use the most current POI files that come with it (as they are limited)-use previous versions (8.0 or 8.01) and modify the ,txt file so the program recognizes it.
[poi]
enable_pois_before_090117=1
Igo CAN navigate your contacts, the only prerequisite is that NO APARTMENT/SUITE numbers be in the contact address. Igo will tell you which addresses cannot be found by going to (when running Igo):
menu/manage/geocoding errors
There, you'll be able to see which contacts failed.
Activate phone option (so you may call a poi/contact directly from igo). Sys.txt addition:
[Phone]
Driver=TAPI
Class_name=exe_path="/windows/prog.exe
Win_name="phone"
SKIN IT!
Full screen at its best, download the Gurjon (only 8.3.x.x) skin, Excellent.
BRAND IT!
Download a branding.zip to enable icons to be seen (Texaco, Schmcdonald icons seen on screen. Nice!
Okay, tent down...
Edit: Added skin (only for R3 igo8) and sys.txt

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Igo CAN navigate your contacts, the only prerequisite is that NO APARTMENT/SUITE numbers be in the contact address. Igo will tell you which addresses cannot be found by going to (when running Igo):
menu/manage/geocoding errors
There, you'll be able to see which contacts failed.
Activate phone option (so you may call a poi/contact directly from igo). Sys.txt addition:
[Phone]
Driver=TAPI
Class_name=exe_path="/windows/prog.exe
Win_name="phone"
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WOW! 10x, I really didn't know this feature was embedded, although I've been using iGo for 3 years now.

There are some newer TeleAtlas maps floating around for iGo 8.3. I haven't tried them yet though, but I think they're 2008.10.
TomTom uses TeleAtlas maps as well, although I don't know what the latest version is.
For me, Navteq maps are more complete in my area, but I might have to try the newest TeleAtlas ones to see if they have my subdivision yet.
Garmin Mobile XT has always been the most trustworthy for me, plus the embedded Google Local Search is the BEST thing for GPS on these phones. If you have data, you can search Google for POI's from within Garmin. This is so much better than relying on static, built-in POI's.
For example, last night I was going to Toys R Us in Rockford, IL. I knew where it was but when we got there we found out they moved. I wasn't sure where the new location was. I used the Local Search in Garmin and it had the new location.
Garmin has its quirks as well, but this feature, along with live traffic and fuel prices is the reason I stick with it. I do miss TTS and some other features of iGo, but I can also live without them.
The only thing that has kept me away from TomTom over the last few years is that the maps in my area weren't as complete.
iGo was great when I used it. I liked TTS and the terrain. Its choice of routes was questionable at time, and I've always had an issue with the ETA. For a 5-5.5 hour trip it would show about 6.5 hours and the ETA time wouldn't be accurate until I was within about 30 minutes of my destination.

It's a bit of a fault of the map. If it uses some default speed limits it can even suggest a wrong route. Example. There is a road in my city, that has speed limit 80km/h, but it's set as 50km/h so it usually doesn't suggest a side trip to that road, when it's much faster (also, almost everybody drive over the limit on that road), it's the road that continues as E80 .

I run TomTom on my Fuze and I can say that I have zero issues with it. It works exactly, if not even better, as it did on my 8125 (Wizard) and my 8525 (Hermes).

Igo
Igo, Igo and Igo !
I didn't know about the phone settings but it only make it more interesting ....
One other thing : maps files are a lot smaller in Igo than in Tom Tom so you can put more maps on your sd card.
Igo is a lot more customizable than Tom Tom and poi's are not really an issue because there is so much available. By the way, if it is for poi uses Google maps and its online search.
Garmin has a great reputation but I find it less interesting.
I have tested the latest garmin, Tom Tom 7.9 and I go 8.3 and I stick to Igo but the latest AmIgo (Igo 8.4) is something difficult to swallow. They say that they have removed all the difficult parts for the user but I think they have removed too much lol

I completely agree with your Amigo comment (flying carpet? Please). It is stripped down, bare bones, a beginner gps program that grandma can easily use.
The thing I love best about Igo (Besides using it as my own 411 directory) is its seemingly endless customization. The skinning makes it worthwhile to search for thst perfect skin. There are skins that alter/add menu options (more than just Route, manage, settings, find).
I upgraded to Gurjon GJ6.2p (www.Gurjon.com)...great upgrade. I can now:
1. Run a program (calculator, calendar, contacts) directly within Igo.
2. Multi-route (fast, short, economical, easy, scenic) and see all on the screen and color coded.
3. Add 10 additional Map screen settings (3d settings, lane info, short menu, turn settings, transparency, bars and pads, waypoint & destination, and more...)
4. Bluetooth enabled.
5. See the actual direction of a poi (with an arrow pointing the direction and distance based on your current location.
Yeah..lag, what can you do with it...

The TomTom version I have supports TTS but yeah I agree that it takes a lot of time to lock. Maybe after some time I will give Igo a shot

As I said - the lag issue seems to be a hardware issue and is still present with Igo (but I still say the positional lag issue is a non-issue for me - I can live with a 1-2 second delay).
For me, the maps (topography as well as 3-d building in major cities) coupled with the TTS makes Igo *very* attractive. I didn't even know about skinning it until I read the responses above this - another big plus for me.
As far as not (to my knowledge) having traffic or weather plugins - honestly - who cares? TomTom charges what I feel is an exorbitant fee for these services and thus renders them useless features to me.
And above all, I still say the satellite locking is faster with Igo.
Mileage may vary - and everybody will have features that are more important to them (like navigate to contact) - but as for myself - I've not loaded TomTom even once since putting Igo on.
A note about POIs... TomTom was anything but complete either - to the point that I never relied on it. When it comes to adding POIs, I'd say that both are equally adept and again makes this a non-issue.
Additionally, for me personally, any service that would rely on a data connection is out the window - I travel off the beaten path and into the sticks quite frequently where data connections are often a pipe-dream. That said - even if I were to pay for (eg) weather service, online poi ability - the services would be totally unusable when I've got no data connection. Again - rendering the ability a total non issue.

Hmm
I have been trying iGo8 and came to this discussion because I think it is awful to use, and was looking for something else.
I have it on an HTC Touch HD. From the outset it made little sense, wanting to plan a route from A to B seems impossible, only from GPS to B.
Today my iGo thinks Im somewhere on the M25 where google maps knows I am home in West Sussex. I have exited Igo twice and restarted, same issue.
Thumbing a map to see where you are or to look at surrounding areas on iGo is a joke, simply awful. It uncontrollably moves waaaaay past a mere gesture, and even when you press your thumb down to stop it moving, it continues.
I really hope TomTom is better, or I will need to buy a "real" GPS for my car... but at this point iGo gets a thumbs down.
Mark.

You probably have an addition to your sys.txt that makes the map move in that manner. Don't remember what the coding is...but I too hated it and removed it to scroll ONLY when I touched the screen.
As to routing...all you need to do is touch start point, 'cursor'-->set as start point. Then touch your destination, 'cursor'-->set as destination---simple.

TomTom Navigator 7 IS available (confirmed)

http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.ph...-uk-ire-maps/4235d8ac83f342a66877d5bc68af358a
Has anyone bought this? Can they confirm this is a legal, usable version of TomTom Navigator 7 and can work with TomTom subscriptions for Speed Cameras / traffic etc. ?
Cheers,

I haven't but if you look around XDA you will find the cab file for TomTom7, and you can then purchase the maps from Tomtom. I can confirm that this does work, I was able to sync my tilt with TomTom home 2.6 and immediately got map corrections.

mycell said:
I haven't but if you look around XDA you will find the cab file for TomTom7, and you can then purchase the maps from Tomtom. I can confirm that this does work, I was able to sync my tilt with TomTom home 2.6 and immediately got map corrections.
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I have seen a working version of TT7 - and was very impressed, not least because the maps are up to date!
I want to be sure I have an official copy of TT7 which I can transfer my speed camera & traffic subscriptions and get regular updates - this would mean at the very least having an activation code.
I am happy to pay the going rate - and have repeatedly spoken to TomTom asking to do so, but they wouldn't previously sell them to me.
They are now checking whether the items on the internet are available legally (possibly imported) - in which case they will support the product. I am awaiting a response...

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I have seen a working version of TT7 - and was very impressed, not least because the maps are up to date!
I want to be sure I have an official copy of TT7 which I can transfer my speed camera & traffic subscriptions and get regular updates - this would mean at the very least having an activation code.
I am happy to pay the going rate - and have repeatedly spoken to TomTom asking to do so, but they wouldn't previously sell them to me.
They are now checking whether the items on the internet are available legally (possibly imported) - in which case they will support the product. I am awaiting a response...
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Given that info, you would be correct in going to route your going. Please post back when you have gotten a response back from them. I think that we would all be interested in what they say.

hi i installed the nav 7 cab version 7.450 tried to buy western europe map and it say's my device doesn't can't use this map????. any ideas i've email tomtom waiting for reply

dicksoc said:
hi i installed the nav 7 cab version 7.450 tried to buy western europe map and it say's my device doesn't can't use this map????. any ideas i've email tomtom waiting for reply
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Where did you buy it from?

mycell said:
Given that info, you would be correct in going to route your going. Please post back when you have gotten a response back from them. I think that we would all be interested in what they say.
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OK - update. I phoned TomTom support yeaterday and spoke to an advisor. She was confused about the TT7 versions available for purchase, as she was not aware TT7 was available to buy YET (only pre-installed on some devices - but not in UK). She thanked me for bringing it to their attention, and promised to get back to me on whether it was legal software and whether I should go ahead and buy.
As she promised, she then raised a Support Call which said they would get back to me.
I've checked again just now and the question has been deleted but I have had no notification whatsoever. Read into that what you will - but the websites are still selling TT7 and it hasn't been taken down....
My guess is they have found nothing illegal, but don't want to validate buying from those sites before they put it on sale themselves - but I may be wrong.
I have raised another question seeking clarification - as I don't want to waste £56 if I can avoid it.....

Ramsfan_Jim said:
OK - update. I phoned TomTom support yeaterday and spoke to an advisor. She was confused about the TT7 versions available for purchase, as she was not aware TT7 was available to buy YET (only pre-installed on some devices - but not in UK). She thanked me for bringing it to their attention, and promised to get back to me on whether it was legal software and whether I should go ahead and buy.
As she promised, she then raised a Support Call which said they would get back to me.
I've checked again just now and the question has been deleted but I have had no notification whatsoever. Read into that what you will - but the websites are still selling TT7 and it hasn't been taken down....
My guess is they have found nothing illegal, but don't want to validate buying from those sites before they put it on sale themselves - but I may be wrong.
I have raised another question seeking clarification - as I don't want to waste £56 if I can avoid it.....
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I also would love to upgrade to TOMTOM 7 and called support here in the US just now. They tell me that TT7 has been released in EROPE only and is expected in the state "soon" with no time frame given.
Until then TT6 is the latest and greatest for the US according to TomTom support.
Bill

screw tomtom, its all about iGO!!! and yes im in the US....updated POIs and 3d Maps...TomTom is a lackluster GPS in comparison(i've tried both)

OK, I've spoken to TomTom support again. They confirmed that TomTom navigator 7 is not available anywhere as a stand alone application (for download or on a memory card) and is not availbale in the UK at all.
They are aware a number of people have downloaded versions, but they cannot confirm maps will work, and will not support it (or offer refunds on maps).
Their legal dept. is chasing up the sites offerring it for sale illegally.
He advised me to purchase an alternative navigation system (i.e. NOT TomTom), but clearly could not give me a recommendation.
Any suggestions? What does iGo offer?
I need:-
- ability to install on a microSD card (so I can install alongside my music and other apps)
- Live Traffic updates via internet link
- Speed Cameras
- Map update facility (so it does not become obsolete)
- Works on Kaiser
I haven't found any application which can do this.
Cheers,

himalayasplaya said:
screw tomtom, its all about iGO!!! and yes im in the US....updated POIs and 3d Maps...TomTom is a lackluster GPS in comparison(i've tried both)
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TomTom isn't as flashy, but iGO8 is just plain unstable. It won't run for me for more than 30 minutes without crashing, and it seems to use endless amounts of ram. I almost always find every background app gone when I exit iGO8 (or, it exits itself....)
I like iGO8 but it just doesn't cut it for real navigation for me, I don't want to be re-starting it in the middle of driving.

Latest from TomTom:-
I have just checked with my 2nd line department and have found out that some retailers are offering Nav 7 with maps on SD card.
One company that does have licensing for the software is Navteq. Please check that your PDA/Phone is compatible with it. I have also been advised that if you have any technical issue with the product, then to contact the point of sale, as they are installing the software onto the cards.
If you have any other questions, please let me know.
With Kind Regards
The TomTom Customer Care Team
So maybe some websites ARE selling it legally? Anyone know which sites are supplied by Navteq? (Their website doesn't help...)

it's all academic according to the Doom & Gloom merchants:-
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/21/gao_predicts_gps_failure/

warmkiwi99 said:
it's all academic according to the Doom & Gloom merchants:-
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/21/gao_predicts_gps_failure/
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All the more reason you'd think TomTom would sell stuff while they can....

True!
Looks encouraging if they are selling V7 through Distributors although a bit worrying that they don't appear to know that they are....

Now confirmed - TomTom has mailed me saying Handtec ARE licensed distributors of TomTom Navigator 7.
Order placed...

Ramsfan_Jim said:
Now confirmed - TomTom has mailed me saying Handtec ARE licensed distributors of TomTom Navigator 7.
Order placed...
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Thanks for posting. Please confirm once you installed it and if all was OK. On TT's official website, they still don't sell Nav7 with new maps.

can you use the software on a different memory card? I normally use a 4GB one and would like to continue using it jsut for the extra space..

anoano said:
Thanks for posting. Please confirm once you installed it and if all was OK. On TT's official website, they still don't sell Nav7 with new maps.
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Yes it's arrived and installed correctly - works with new TomTom Home 2.6.
screetch said:
can you use the software on a different memory card? I normally use a 4GB one and would like to continue using it jsut for the extra space..
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Yes, I copied to my 16Gb card first and then installed - it works.
To be honest it was fiddly installing this way and I had to reboot the device a couple of times. I suspect this was because I was reluctant to remove TT6 before installing TT7 -this was because a) I wasn't entirely sure it would work, b) I didn't want to lose my existing TomTom subscriptions & c) I didn't want to lose my POIs.
As a result I renamed my old TT6 files / directories first, then copied everything from the TT7 disk onto my card.
At first when I booted the device it tried to load Navigon (!?) - I suspect because I had been trialling this recently and the cab file may still have been knocking around.
Then it booted straight into the old TT6 applications so I had to quit out and move the TT6 exe (rather than just renaming).
After all that I had to start the cab file manually, but it then worked.
Best of all this then kept my favourites and POIs.
I then connected to the PC and after it initially tried to connect via my old TTHome 1.5, I manually started TTHome 2.6 and it recognised it and updated the maps, Speed Cameras etc. It even transferred my voice subscriptions to the new version.
I now need to use it for a few days to check its all perfect before I delete the old TT6 files, but at first glance it seems fine.

Ramsfan_Jim said:
Yes it's arrived and installed correctly - works with new TomTom Home 2.6.
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What is the actual version of this TT7 since this seems to be an 'official' retail version and not the version that has been hacked out of the Diamond or IOLite?