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I have been reading through alot of posts here over the last couple weeks.
There seems to be a lot of bickering, pointless debate, insults and flaming going on here. (I know am probably starting more with this post, but that is why I chose the off-topic forum) I know you get it on all internet forums, but this one seems to be worse than most.
I actually had someone pm me on something recently, I believe, because he was too afraid to make a post asking for help. I dont blame him. If someone here asks a question that may or may not have been asked months ago (therefore buried by 10 pages of more current posts) he gets flamed. I also notice he asks another newbie like me, instead of someone with a lot of posts, because they seem to be the most touchy.
And I know, that is why there is a search. But you know, search tools on forums like this are a joke. You are going to get a return of 1000's of posts, 99% of which have nothing to do with what you are looking for. And for me at least, half the time when I search, and I am rewarded with a blank page (in both mozilla and IE).
Just wanted report on what I see here. Maybe others see it differently.
Jimmy - not to validate your argument, but I disagree with you!
Seriously, I respond to so many posts, probably even unnecessarily so sometimes, just because I like the community. The vast majority of us are here because we enjoy the community and are like-minded gadget freaks.
You do get some flaming, some *****ing, some idiots, some spam, some divas. But the vast majority, in my experience, are very nice, helpful and supportive of newbies. We were all one once, and I hope that I'd rather say nothing then something unhelpful.
Anyone can PM or email me any time. I can't respond immediately, but I will try to respond.
The usual "use the search, Luke", response is normally only fired out when you've got a very new member blurting out things like "How do I switch the phone off?". My reasoning there is, teach a man to fish, he'll help himself a lot more then just filling his gullet with answers. But, for valid, non knee jerk questions, most people will try to help.
I think it's better no one answers if they don't know, and if they don't, feel free to bump. But don't bump twice in 5 mins - "COME ON, DOESN'T ANYBODY
KNOW HOW TO SORT MY CONTACTS BY FIRST NAME??!?!?!??!" is not a way to make friends with me.
Anyway, I could rant all day, but I think the board generally speaks for itself. Most are helpful, most are nice, most are here because we want to be here.
You get some bad posts, but seriously, in my year on the board, I've only had two encounters that caused me to contemplate leaving...
V
PS this was an interesting thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=329718#329718
I know it is not everyone, my subject should not have been why are people so temperamental, it should have been why are SOME people so temperamental.
I agree with you, if it is a repetive question, just dont answer. I just think it is bad when people are pm'ing rather than posting because they are afraid.
vijay555 said:
You get some bad posts, but seriously, in my year on the board, I've only had two encounters that caused me to contemplate leaving...
V
PS this was an interesting thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=329718#329718
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I gotta' agree with you on that thread, vijay. Those pics (the original ones) NEVER should have been posted. They provoked a LOT of ire from users and flaming, too. There's no room for politics on this forum. It's not here for that purpose and I felt like that was where that thread was heading. Even the world news networks don't show images THAT graphic!! Thanks for deleting them and putting that thread back "on course".
whos temperamental, you [email protected]@rd!
STFU! you think your so [email protected] smart, coming here and reading entries and you probably dont know your @ss froma hole in the ground when it comes to pdas....
whos says people here are temperamental?
dont know your @ss froma hole in the ground
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Gosh, in countries where you actually poo straight into a hole in the ground, this might cause some rather embarrassing situations!
V
maybe i hang out in the wrong forums or my level of what is hostile is wayy different from yours
but this is one of the most friendly forums i come in
or have ever come in (and thats a great deal)
i dont see telling people to use search and the likes to be hostile
personal attacks is hostile
Dont know what the problem is, sure once in a while people get pointed to search, wiki or spend some time reading. And yes once in awhile there are no flowers in that reply.
Sure even I have had the balls to move a post out of news and tell the guy to post in the correct, forum, read wiki and use search. It pisses of our other users who think news is news and not news being somebody asking how do I upgrade my device.
I have seen a lot of threads, a few things I did not like to see, a few I have killed. I have seen nice, not so nice and far form nice askers and also answerres.
In general you get a lot more help here than on other places (yes I have had to look other places).
But hell its a free word, if anybody thinks this site is not good to or for them, well its a click of the mouse to solve that problem.
Mean while will I point a user to the answer of his question which in fact is the same question in 4 different sections. Hum let me think about that one.
Personally I find most people on the forum very friendly. You always get a few who are a bit temperamental but that is life. But on the whole this would have to be the most helpful and friendly forum around.
I will have to agree and disagree with this.. i havent been a member that long and i did take the smart route, i actually read this board over and from top to bottom for months before making a single post, what stopped me from making a post right away was most senior people's complaints about newbs not searching, etc.. so i did just that searched and read... and here i am 3 months later of my first post and have made well over 500 now.. (i have point to all of this somewhere here ) This site can be a little confusing to newbs, but most of the confusion comes from other newbs making the same posts over and over again, you might search for one thing and come up with 50 posts of the same problem, however 49 of them are flames telling them to search to find the answer... and this is where it also gets frustrating for the senior people, people who have already answered this once before causing the temperamental flames.. Now i do try to answer what i can, we were all newbs once and i still consider myself one and i answer many pm's of people who are afraid to be flamed (which if they would have searched they would have found the answer) but im also not their personal wiki... ok, im done, oh yeah, vote for me for president
I agree with jimmy hauser
I came here from treocentral, which was much more supportive on average. Sure, there are some good-spirited and helpful people here, but it is overall much more antagonistic than treocentral.
As a practical matter, the search engine isn't very good and the recent upgrade of the forum didn't make it easier. It took me a few weeks to think of googling with the site:xda-developers.com, identifying the appropriate thread and then searching for that specific threads. Otherwise, one gets too much. Yes, we all find it annoying when someone starts a new thread that has already been answered fifty times, but on the other hand, there are pretty many 20+ page threads. It might be helpful to suggest to someone what they should have searched for, and try the search to see if it works. Just today I was trying to find the registry tweak that would eliminate the roaming indicator, but I couldn't remember what the thing did, so it took forever to find the registry tweak, and this for something I knew I had read on the board at some point in the past.
Here is what I think is actually better than most sites: the wiki. The wikis are uniformly high quality and some people have written fabulous how-tos.
My pet theory is that it is windows at fault. Things like activesync being so hilariously dysfunctional and the X meaning minimize on the PPC cause tempers to rise just a little too easily. Palm users are happier.
On the other hand, without XDA-developers, my MDA would have been approximately useless. The list of problems that were answered, either directly or indirectly, here is huge. Everything from ROM upgrades to TodayAgenda to 2.47 radio rom to wifi settings to wm5newmenu, I got them here. It is a wonderful resource.
I came here from esato, former sony ericsson user ditched it with the p990
if you really want to get flamed say I didn't like the p990 on esato or god forbid the tytn is better than it (I had both got rid of the p990) basically compare anything or say anything is better than a S.E. phone and you'll get your diehard fanboys by the dozens.
anyways some people get flamed here beacuse they are total noobs who don't bother to read anything, I agree they shouldn't get flamed that bad but they should do a little reading, there is a wealth of information in these forums,
as for asking I try to reply to anyone who asks something I know and if anybody needs anything please feel free to pm me I will answer when I can, although posting a forum gives more views as well as future reference for future noobs
I think this site provides so much useful information and it has kept many devices going when they would have gone in the bin. It has allowed a lot of older devices to still have the current operating system. I think half the time people have got home from work and are on a short fuse any way and any little thing pushes them over the edge and that is what causes the bickering. Just my thoughts on the matter.
darky said:
anyways some people get flamed here beacuse they are total noobs who don't bother to read anything, I agree they shouldn't get flamed that bad but they should do a little reading, there is a wealth of information in these forums,
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I'm not sure if I'm the "temperamental" one here, but yes, that is a very annoying thing. They act as if the members here are google, and they just type in a search sentence "Nood here, please give me a clear, step-by-step, easy to flash my ROM", click a button, and you get the answer. Not to mentioned the lack of information they provide, which can be potentially harmful to them consider they don't even know which ROM to get. And when things go wrong, they will post a new thread with the title "Pleeeeaazzz help".
The another annoying thing is the lack of information. Some members will post problems with so little information that they delay the solution to their very own questions, and annoying for the helpers. Eg. "I downloaded the flash software and ROM, but now the phone won't start, please help". Then, you try to be helpful and suggest "Why don't you try program X?". Later, you will get the answer "Oh, I've already tried that, won't work. Any other suggestion?" .. I will be like.. why don't you said so in your first post? ggrrrr..
Anyway, now I've developed an habbit of ignoring such posts. Those (a) Step by step guide for total nood (b) Thread with Pleeazzz help title (c) Post with lack of information. This will make me.. less "temperamental", I guess.
Anyway, as for the Wiki, I still thinks there are not enough information in the Wiki, such that it makes members difficult to point noobs to simple/common tasks. And, it also makes the non-noobs (the oldies ) going around the search function to answer something that they've forgot. So, for those who are happy to help others, please contribute yourself to the Wiki. Personally, I think it is much more influential to get one thing onto the Wiki than answering 10 PMs. And you get to point them to the Wiki if the same problem surfaced.
I'm temperamental beware
Well I remember when I got my MDAIII back over a year ago and came across this site thanks to google. So like a noob that I was and in many areas still our I posted one of those "how do I upgrade my german MDAIII to English.
Well I can tell you what has changed over the last year. Back then I got NO ANSWER, no falming, no use search, no use wiki.
So over time this site has changed and now at least you can get a reply even if this is thought by many as beeing flamed at.
Over time I learnt 2 things, one to read and one to use search. The reading I have kept the Search well that is a Pain in the ass. In the blue angel section (upgrade) do a search for "new rom" and you get Zero, its a bug we are working on it but it still sucks. Now in the same BA Upgrade section do a search for Threads by "MDAIIIUser". Here you get "New Rom" "new rom:" "New rom!" and the like.
Myself I have stoped the use search as I cant use it myself in the form that I want. Sad but true.
So what is the solutiom, for me it was then wiki, sure I had to post on how to edit it but with time I could even work it out. So from there I found out how to upgrade and posted it on wiki, found roms and posted them, found an unlocker, cabs and a bunch of stuff that I thought was cool of intrest and useful. So I posted it in wiki, edited it when new roms came out, ect bla bal.
Well Time moved on and I got bored after the 3 WM5 rom and well nothing else happens in the BA section the device is dead only sold by a few and thus.... I left it.
Now there is lots of grest info here, lots of great people that have found out lots of cool tricks. Its what makes this site, not the how do I upgrade or should I perform a restore after a rom upgrade. However noobs, newbies what ever we might like to discredit them as have a right to be here, I riight to the information and a right to some constructive help.
What we should all do is keep wiki upto date which is a lot easiser for a new member as he is driven by the quest of knowlege than an old member that does nto realy care in which direction his rom goes to as there is nothing new.
So I am not going to search the wiki pages for who finds this sites attitude bad but himslef has failed to update wiki, nor try to work out which users are helpful or flame.
All I am trying to say and now we get to the short version, is be nice, remember that you to were lost on this site and Please update wiki.
Oh yes, you will find a posts from me that just read "moved to XX (BA, Universal, hermes) but you will also see my signature which should point some people in the correct direction. Could I have answered all of there questions, yes sometims, sometimes not. So why don't I? well that due to the fact that some of us try to keep the site clean.
personally i feel the same way as the orginal poster...but i do see where some of yall are coming from with n00bs askin the same ? thats been answered before. i currently run a forum and have that problem sometimes. im no complete n00b just a novice with all this hackin/developin and i noticed i postd some ?s months ago with no responses at all and yes i searched for the answer and vj u had even posted in that thread but i never got a response. i didnt get mad....i pmd someone who helped me out the best he could since he was as new as me. i have found pm to be the best method of recieving help on this board....even tho at times "anal retentive" members dont even respond to say anything....no "f off" no "yea sure do this..." no "try looking here" just no response at all leaving n00bs to think i better not post if i dont know fully what im talking about.....i personally think the community would be better if everyone treated everyone as they would like to have been treated wheb they were n00bs. we all were at one point and time......shezzzzz......dont u guys remember? well all this is imho.
~mike
this does not apply to newbie's only.
i have asked about five times for help in here, responses 2
so i have been forced to read ,sometimes i find the answer some times
not.
pm several user for help. reply; 1
i receive several pms asking for help every week, i try to help ,but some people never give up. suddenly u become their personal google.
i got a guy now asking to write a a full tutorial in how to cook a rom. yea right!!
like an don’t have anything to do.
so I email him and said I was very busy at the moment, I would try to help when I had time.
following day got word from him. have you got time yet? !!!! now I get an email from him everyday. he says hi is in a hurry!!!!
faria
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I email him and said I was very busy at the moment, I would try to help when I had time.
following day got word from him. have you got time yet? !!!! now I get an email from him everyday. he says hi is in a hurry!!!!
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rofl
here is a good example of why people get temperamental
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1038017&posted=1#post1038017
Hey sorry guys but i just got my att tilt and im reading through all these threads and im just wondering what is the difference between a hard reset and a soft reset??? please let me know!
Maybe if we stop replying to threads like this people will stop making new threads like this.
DO NOT POST THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!
thats messed up man....sorry we cant all be [email protected]@holes likes you are!!!
I think his point is that you should read through the wiki, sticky posts, and also search some more.
I would use the search feature . even on google. I know the difference between the 2 but i dont know how to do a hard reset on my phone. Guess im a noob too o well. l8r.
Ok surely you must be joking.
soft reset- restart the device
hard reset- restore back to factory
gee that wasnt to hard. I probably saved the guy a few minutes of looking at the cost of 10 seconds of my time.
Its the principle of it. Promotes Laziness. Like saying its better to ask by starting a new thread than search.
i would like to thank you for that....everyone else wasted more time writing crap then just tryin to help!
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soft reset- restart the device
hard reset- restore back to factory
gee that wasnt to hard. I probably saved the guy a few minutes of looking at the cost of 10 seconds of my time.
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I think he was faster reading this in the wiki than posting his question here and wait for an awnser. It just that jong people now a days are to lazy to look for the information. Instead they rather wait longer and get the awnser carried to them. Just reading the wiki was all there was to it.
ekw said:
soft reset- restart the device
hard reset- restore back to factory
gee that wasnt to hard. I probably saved the guy a few minutes of looking at the cost of 10 seconds of my time.
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You are just as much part of the problem as the OP who was too lazy to do it for himself.
Sure, it's an easy question ** BRAVO FOR YOU ** but when HE does it, the next guy does it, etc, etc, etc..... Then you have 500,000 stupid new threads that there is a WIKI and 1,000 STICKIES for these babies to read and get ALL the help they need. Nevermind the fact if he opened his owners book the answer is right there, too!
im a part of the problem.
I kindof thought that me helping others will provide a better experience to the OP, than say you telling them to search/read stickies.
didnt know xda-dev had storage/server issues , im sure the weight of this thread will contribute to the 500,000 others.
but if you dont want to see these posts you can always request a mod to add a feature to filter posts by join date or post count in preferences.
Request to Moderator
It would be good if a Moderator could just Delete this thread. He got his answer and now the thread is pointless and of no use. Best place for this one is in the trash.
I believe in searching. But just in fairness to the OP I just tried several searches and I got loads of results on soft and hard resets but not one of them defined the difference between the two. OK, I realise the answer is probably in the wiki but still.
I would say we take a hard line approach with those who should know better. So maybe before being too hard on a guy we should look to see how many posts he has made. If it's a very few then point him in the right direction. If it's more than 20 then be more tough. JJ
You guys are hilarious, the idea that by responding to this thread it'll somehow promote other threads that would've been answered via the wiki or searching is baseless.
1) If he did not search for the answer to his question do you think he would search through "types of threads" and find out that "people answer stupid questions"...In fact if he did search the forum he'd find out that people in fact DON'T answer threads with questions and that in half the threads people tell other people to search the forum or look at the wiki.
So if he wouldnt search for his answer he would never search to find out proper rules on this site and ansewring the question doesnt further his "kind".
Just admit it, people like being assholes on forums, especially ones where people get to know each other its sort of like a clique. You're the people sitting in the school halls when a new kid shows up and doesnt know where room C101 is and instead of saying "go up stairs take a left" you start going off about how people should use the directory and map found downstairs. :: shrug ::
EK...I applaud you for helping that guy out. I have looked at the wiki for multiple phones/ppc and alot of times hitting a link to an answer causes more questions than answers. Again like I said in another post....this is why I try not to participate in the forums except to say thank you to those that do something positive for the COMMUNITY!
http://www.google.com/search?q=soft+hard+reset+windows+mobile&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Yes, so hard.
Phase...thanks for proving my point!
For Information!
fo·rum –noun,
i) a public facility to meet for open discussion
ii) public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
ob·nox·ious –adjective
i) annoying or objectionable due to being a showoff or attracting undue attention to oneself: an obnoxious little brat.
just a few words i'm thinking of
pogit said:
fo·rum –noun,
i) a public facility to meet for open discussion
ii) public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
ob·nox·ious –adjective
i) annoying or objectionable due to being a showoff or attracting undue attention to oneself: an obnoxious little brat.
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Very nice!
i just got the att tilt and i was wondering if there is any software or programs that will allow you to watch videos on break.com? cause when i go to it it says get flash. i have the flash bundle and tcmp which lets me watch youtube so im just wondering about break and also other sites that use flash. Also something where i can look at myspace.com normally?
well hope you can help....thanks
Amazing....
Simply apply the same type of replies to THIS thread as your OTHER thread, found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373779
HELP YOURSELF! THIS IS NOT A BABY SITTING WEBSITE!
the thing is i have been searching for answers but i havnt found anything concrete and it has been in different threads for different things so i was hoping to get a concrete answer....mans ur just wasting more time on just complaining then just helping.
Have you ever stopped to think about why it's so hard to find an answer???? Because you have to sort though 1,000,000's of useless threads (like this one).
I did a search BEFORE I posted the first reply. Low and behold!!!!! THE ANSWER WAS THERE!
If you have a question, you can bet it has already been asked, many times! Just because it is YOUR first day here, dosent mean it is the first day for these forums to be here and other members to be here!
Sure, I could have just linked to it, but then what is this BB? A bunch of threads that map to other threads that map to other threads?
GET REAL! Nobody here is your personal assistant!
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Have you ever stopped to think about why it's so hard to find an answer???? Because you have to sort though 1,000,000's of useless threads (like this one).
I did a search BEFORE I posted the first reply. Low and behold!!!!! THE ANSWER WAS THERE!
If you have a question, you can bet it has already been asked, many times! Just because it is YOUR first day here, dosent mean it is the first day for these forums to be here and other members to be here!
Sure, I could have just linked to it, but then what is this BB? A bunch of threads that map to other threads that map to other threads?
GET REAL! Nobody here is your personal assistant!
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lol grizzley...he DOES have a personal assistant
the "search" button
I fully understand how new people asking questions about something they need help with would be annoying?!? (sarcasm) But I have searched for certain items on this site a few times and may have found the item I was looking for, but have not known it. Not everyone on this site has time to sit 24 hours and learn every term and name of the things we are searching. Granted the video aspect of the Kaiser has been brought up in multiple threads and a search was warranted.......but being a jerk is not helping the cause either. I wasted more time reading your assanine comments than figuring out what the answer may have been.
I am on my 6th HTC branded PPC and still I consider myself a nOOb at all of this .......funny thing is , is that , I do not ask any questions about things on this site.....even if I have searched.......because of the flaming it causes by the know it alls!
Go ahead and flame me for only haveing 20 posts ...if that.....but I do not post because of jackholes acting all high and mighty like you all keep doing in almost every thread on this site!
My vent so take it how you want!
it just seems like that the only thing these jerks do is just sit around all day on the forums and just look at them and thats it....sorry some people have lives that cant just sit here and know everything that is on this forum...and yes i did searches like i have said....i have the video **** done....like i said for youtube but i was wondering about flash sites and break.com wouldve been simple to just read it and answer it and not be a [email protected]@! get over yourselves and get lives.
New to pocket pc's so sry for the n00be questions. Have ATT tilt through ATT with CPU Q 7201 & ROM ver: 1.62.502.0. First I am wondering how I can tell what version of win mobile I have? I want to upg to ver 6.1. I have Windows Mobile 6.1 For HTC Touch (U.S. Cellular) package ... would that work on my phone and with my carrier? Also wondering how I can save and restore current ROM version and where I can find good ROM packages (for my phone) for novices?
Thank you
Welcome,
Do a bit of research read stickys in ROM section, maybe even a bit of the wiki...
And never flash a\ROM meant for another device....
All info is here on XDA.
Peac3,
stylez.
There are volumes of information and most of it is confusing since this is my first experience with pocket PC's. I have done hours of research and cant get a strait answer. Thank god for forums. But thanks for at least answering one question. I thought for some reason that the HTC touch was for my device but I guess the touch is different than the tilt.
Another issue with the searches is that it comes up with nothing productive regarding my specific questions. Below are my search strings:
tilt rom upgrade "6.1" title only
tilt rom windows mobile "6.1" entire post
tilt rom "6.1" entire post
Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.
When I go to the ATT site they say that there is no 6.1 update available. Where can I get the update for my specific phone and carrier? Does the carrier even matter?
EDIT: Think I found the update at one of the logical places: HTC's site.
Hi,
Sorry for the bad reception. People around here seem to think their time is too valuable to help a newcomer. Bad comments invited, my skin is thick. They must have forgotten what it is like to be new. And I have found that the search function on this site is often less than helpful.
You can find your OS Version by going to Settings and clicking on Device Information. It should be on the first line.
It very much matters that you use the right ROM as the others won't work. OEM ROMS are picky about where they get installed.
You are on the right track at the HTC site. There used to be a link to it from ATT but I couldn't find it the other day.
Good luck.
TracyD said:
Hi,
Sorry for the bad reception. People around here seem to think their time is too valuable to help a newcomer. Bad comments invited, my skin is thick. They must have forgotten what it is like to be new. And I have found that the search function on this site is often less than helpful.
You can find your OS Version by going to Settings and clicking on Device Information. It should be on the first line.
It very much matters that you use the right ROM as the others won't work. OEM ROMS are picky about where they get installed.
You are on the right track at the HTC site. There used to be a link to it from ATT but I couldn't find it the other day.
Good luck.
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Despite the chastising of senior members by our learned member with ten whole posts. What new members need to realize, is that this is a developers forum first and foremost. It is a library of knowledge accrued by the study of these phones and the hard work of it's members.
As I said, it is a library for all to access, not an HTC help line. As with all libraries, you do not walk up to the librarian and say " give me all you have on world history " the response you will get is, " go to the world history section and search it out yourself " Much like newer members here are told to go to the wiki.
When seniors suggest that you search, it is an attempt to train you to be productive , contributing members of the this community. If that's all you want is an HTC 24hr helpline, there are plenty of those other places online.
If you want access to the most knowledgeable people in the WinMo world , then do your homework, read the Wiki, do your searches, and then respectfully ask for help with concise well thought out questions, and you will find this one of the most friendly sharing sites on the net.
That being said, Welcome and here is the latest rom update for the Tilt
http://www.htc.com/us/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=67&act=sd&cat=all
I agree with denco7. I researched for 3 days before I got the courage to try to unlock and flash my Tilt. Even then, it took me 5 hours. My MDA only took about 10 minutes. There is a reason for the wikis and stickies: they should be read first. If you don't find answers to your questions there or don't understand, ask for help and give a detailed description of what you have tried. Don't expect everything to just be handed to you.
i agree with what the senior members are saying...
also, i would like to add that the initial process (that can last for several DAYS) of doing the reading and searching to try to understand the basics of your device has been a thoroughly incredible learning experience. it will take time and some effort on your part but think of it as an investment...these devices may be simple to USE but CUSTOMIZATION steps like ROM upgrading deserve your full attention and understanding, particularly because of the likelihood of "bricking" your very expensive device.
at the very least, the wiki should be THE place to go to, to build your concepts, read about the various tips and tricks and customization possibilities and what not.
all the same, the builtin search does suck but nearly everybody recommends using google to perform your search...simply append "xda" in the keywords of your search and google will give you remarkably good results.
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There are volumes of information and most of it is confusing since this is my first experience with pocket PC's. I have done hours of research and cant get a strait answer. Thank god for forums. But thanks for at least answering one question. I thought for some reason that the HTC touch was for my device but I guess the touch is different than the tilt.
Another issue with the searches is that it comes up with nothing productive regarding my specific questions. Below are my search strings:
tilt rom upgrade "6.1" title only
tilt rom windows mobile "6.1" entire post
tilt rom "6.1" entire post
Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.
When I go to the ATT site they say that there is no 6.1 update available. Where can I get the update for my specific phone and carrier? Does the carrier even matter?
EDIT: Think I found the update at one of the logical places: HTC's site.
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Just a side note.... There are 2 search buttons on the forums. One is for the Thread ( which it appears to be the one you were using ) and the other is a google forum search. The one on the very top of the screen is the one you want. Or do as everyone else has suggested and use google but add xda to the search string. I like how Denco put it........ this is a knowledgebase ( or a library if you will ). A librarian can help point you in the right direction or even teach you the dewey decimal system, but they will never hand pick all of the relative books for you. Learn the system and you will love it here. Goodluck!!!!
Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. I may not post again for another year. Oh well. Honestly, I support the need for folks to search, but I think you guys are a little extreme. It is my thought that forums like this are places where people go to get help, some need more than others. You are welcome to not respond or to respond helpfully, however, what value is a negative post but to raise people's hackles. Fortunately for you poor spirited folks, I have decided to ignore your rudeness and continue to lurk looking for tidibits of fun info.
As far as being a senior member goes, so? I have been lurking on forums since back in the 300 baud modem and bulletin board days. I just might be senior enough for my purposes. I help when I can and try to enjoy the commentary. I just don't like to see such rudeness as I often see here. Perhaps some "seniors" need to grow up a little and not take this stuff so seriously.
well........if you're senior enough, then you should know better than to start a thread asking a question that is answered countless times, which is an extreme no-no here. because of that we will now have to display extreme hatred towards you......its in the rules somewhere.
here is an excellent post from the most good looking xda-mod (i've heard rumors) describing what xda-devs is about
What is XDA-Devs
TracyD said:
Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. I may not post again for another year. Oh well. Honestly, I support the need for folks to search, but I think you guys are a little extreme. It is my thought that forums like this are places where people go to get help, some need more than others. You are welcome to not respond or to respond helpfully, however, what value is a negative post but to raise people's hackles. Fortunately for you poor spirited folks, I have decided to ignore your rudeness and continue to lurk looking for tidibits of fun info.
As far as being a senior member goes, so? I have been lurking on forums since back in the 300 baud modem and bulletin board days. I just might be senior enough for my purposes. I help when I can and try to enjoy the commentary. I just don't like to see such rudeness as I often see here. Perhaps some "seniors" need to grow up a little and not take this stuff so seriously.
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lol, infact your response was the only rude one, stating about senior members and there attitude towards noobs after my first post to which was giving direction and spoken very softly without a "go search" etc, infact i even welcomed him\her to the forum & directed towards the most relevant threads including saying not to brick there device.
Welll in future i shall just post "Use the search!!!"
In response to how many years online i imagine we all been about for along time online but not to say "we" know it all about the subject matter in hand.
"Any way the book you are after is in the second isle, if you need any more assistance there is a computer in the corner that can help find what you need"
First of all it is a great ROM, i just love it!! So Thanks Itje.
My Carrier is o2 Germany and i encounter some problems with my data connection. IM+ keeps losing the connection, resulting in switching between on- and offline every 20 seconds. This is not only very disturbing while chatting, but after 20 times or so, my ICQ Account gets blocked for one hour for security reasons.
Same goes for Opera Mobile, when i google Something i get Connection Problems, after hitting refreh for 3 or 4 times, Pages load just fine.
I found out that other people have the same problem, especially people on T-Mobile and i searched for a possible solution, because it was mentioned that [email protected] posted a work-around but all i could find was a Proxy Setting for T-Mobile NL posted by him, so what i would like to ask is if anybody found a solution to fix this problem, because apart from the otherwise excellent ROM this really "grinds my gears" ;P
And please, if anyone is offended by this post or thinks i did not search enough, just use the "Back" Button in your Browser and i apologize for wasting 10 seconds of your day =)
I Just thought if this problem got solved already and many other users suffer the same conditions, a solution should be more accessable and not be hidden somewhere in 2500 Posts.
Thanks Guys and good night
keep posts in their relevant threads..
I agree! Even when I try to download e-mail and retrieve headers it keeps saying it loses the connection. I have to try a few times and "hope" it doesn't drop the connection. Same with Windows Live Messenger.
I REALLY like itje's ROM's but I think he does some radio/registry tweaking for radio connectivity, and somewhere down the road a tweak broke something
A real shame I have full signal 3G/HSPA or full signal EDGE and it keeps dropping the connection every half a minute or so...
Samson711 said:
First of all it is a great ROM, i just love it!! So Thanks Itje.
My Carrier is o2 Germany and i encounter some problems with my data connection. IM+ keeps losing the connection, resulting in switching between on- and offline every 20 seconds. This is not only very disturbing while chatting, but after 20 times or so, my ICQ Account gets blocked for one hour for security reasons.
Same goes for Opera Mobile, when i google Something i get Connection Problems, after hitting refreh for 3 or 4 times, Pages load just fine.
I found out that other people have the same problem, especially people on T-Mobile and i searched for a possible solution, because it was mentioned that [email protected] posted a work-around but all i could find was a Proxy Setting for T-Mobile NL posted by him, so what i would like to ask is if anybody found a solution to fix this problem, because apart from the otherwise excellent ROM this really "grinds my gears" ;P
And please, if anyone is offended by this post or thinks i did not search enough, just use the "Back" Button in your Browser and i apologize for wasting 10 seconds of your day =)
I Just thought if this problem got solved already and many other users suffer the same conditions, a solution should be more accessable and not be hidden somewhere in 2500 Posts.
Thanks Guys and good night
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well the old fashion way is the only way anyone's gonna tell you to do.
that or you get luky someone has the solution to the problem your facing and decide to post link or fix for ya.
like someone else said before, if you can read enough to flash a rom, then you can read enough to find a solution.
if every person had a problem and don't search (like your doing now) this forum would continue to clog.
you are causing the same bull sh*t cycle that you hate, by starting a thread KNOWING FULL WELL someone has a solution/problem for this rom.
you clog the forum by the same question someone else has probably ask as you have stated yourself.
above all YOU STARTED A STUPID THREAD ASKING THIS QUESTION THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ASK IN THE RELEVANT THREAD AS FARDS WAS POINTING OUT.
you say a solution shouldn't be hidden? who in the hell is gonna organize every single problem bit by bit? that would cause a more clogged forum.
yes i agree the search engine is not perfect, it shows post of every single word you type in it. but that is the best it's gonna be for a search engine. the only thing better than that is searching your self.
i write down my own search engine. i start reading from begining of thread, take notes of the post# that has either problem or solution, page to know where i'v read up to, reading every single new post for a fix or solution. i keep reading until i'v got to the most current post, by then just sit and relax for what happens next.
everyone wants to find the answer fast but there is no quick way to it. if there was, the staff would have already done it BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH STUPID SH*T EITHER. why would they want to spend their free time dealing with answer issues when they've spent plenty of time on the rom itself?!!?!?! if you really love this rom that was GIVEN TO YOU, put in the extra time to just read and figure out the easy part. make time to do something you claim you love.
im sory but you had this coming to ya, im mad at the thread, even more so what you said in your thread.
DUDE MAN I CAN SH*T ON THIS THREAD ALL DAY BECAUSE THIS THREAD BECAME WORTHLESS WHEN IT WAS STARTED.
Okay, i know i had it coming but i never forced anyone to read the thread nor to post in it. If you get that mad with such threads just don't post, that also makes threads longer. And with not hidden in any threads i do not mean that nobody should search, no, by no means i do mean that. I just thought maybe it could become a sticky post or be written into the wiki. Believe me i searched but after reading 2 hours of posts that didn't help i just thought someone who knew the answer would be nice enough to post the link again.
But obviously i do not have to apologize to waste any of your time, because you seem to have the time to flame around a little bit and tell me things which i said you need not tell me and just leave this thread.
It's just funny how when a question gets asked several times 100 people do have the time to write thousands of lines just to flame at the people instead of using just 10 seconds to leave the thread (which would result in less posts for the search engine) or posting a solution (which would result in thread being closed). I am a guy who always uses the Search engine first and i definately don't give up after 5 minutes of search, but some problems are harder to find via the search than are others, that's the problem. And if i get the feeling that my solution is not to be found, what would you do? Just leave it at that, or post in a board that brilliantly helps everyone who needs help. Okay i can see that i should have posted in the right thread, not start a new one, but the outcome would have been exactly the same.
Now i know that some threads really are useless, but believe me, some people just are unfriendly and rather spend an eternity writing stupid comments than posting a solution, even if they already did so 2 or 3 times=) I helped on problems that were discussed several times myself and i even wrote personal messages with the solution instead of filling up the board. Personally, when i think a thread makes me mad, i leave it and i do not spend any more time of my life on reading/posting in this thread.
It was just a try, sorry. I did not mean to offend anyone and i'll just leave it at that and use the search engine again. But opposite to some other users, i WOULD post the link ANYTIME someone asks for it.
Thread can be closed/deleted, whatever.
I have the same issue and would like it resolved, if you find the answer please let me know
I have been searching the itje thread for around 1 hour and have yet to find an answer...
himuraken said:
well the old fashion way is the only way anyone's gonna tell you to do.
that or you get luky someone has the solution to the problem your facing and decide to post link or fix for ya.
like someone else said before, if you can read enough to flash a rom, then you can read enough to find a solution.
if every person had a problem and don't search (like your doing now) this forum would continue to clog.
you are causing the same bull sh*t cycle that you hate, by starting a thread KNOWING FULL WELL someone has a solution/problem for this rom.
you clog the forum by the same question someone else has probably ask as you have stated yourself.
above all YOU STARTED A STUPID THREAD ASKING THIS QUESTION THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ASK IN THE RELEVANT THREAD AS FARDS WAS POINTING OUT.
you say a solution shouldn't be hidden? who in the hell is gonna organize every single problem bit by bit? that would cause a more clogged forum.
yes i agree the search engine is not perfect, it shows post of every single word you type in it. but that is the best it's gonna be for a search engine. the only thing better than that is searching your self.
i write down my own search engine. i start reading from begining of thread, take notes of the post# that has either problem or solution, page to know where i'v read up to, reading every single new post for a fix or solution. i keep reading until i'v got to the most current post, by then just sit and relax for what happens next.
everyone wants to find the answer fast but there is no quick way to it. if there was, the staff would have already done it BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH STUPID SH*T EITHER. why would they want to spend their free time dealing with answer issues when they've spent plenty of time on the rom itself?!!?!?! if you really love this rom that was GIVEN TO YOU, put in the extra time to just read and figure out the easy part. make time to do something you claim you love.
im sory but you had this coming to ya, im mad at the thread, even more so what you said in your thread.
DUDE MAN I CAN SH*T ON THIS THREAD ALL DAY BECAUSE THIS THREAD BECAME WORTHLESS WHEN IT WAS STARTED.
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people like you annoy me mate! if ya did not like what the guy posted then don't flame the man's thread. keep your opinions to yourself. people on here are too quick to have a go at people for posting their feelings as wen posted in thread ya get the same old jibe! the guy did the decent thing and posted out of thread so if anyone could help him then post. he didnt need your 2 pence especially when the rom he had issues wid had no personal bearing on you! Fards who is involved wid the touch-it scene kindly asked him to post in thread! what right have you got? f**king unbelievable some of you fools on here! kiss A** and brown nosers! leave the man's thread alone as he did not need you to advise him of your flipping useless opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Samson711 said:
Okay, i know i had it coming but i never forced anyone to read the thread nor to post in it. If you get that mad with such threads just don't post, that also makes threads longer. And with not hidden in any threads i do not mean that nobody should search, no, by no means i do mean that. I just thought maybe it could become a sticky post or be written into the wiki. Believe me i searched but after reading 2 hours of posts that didn't help i just thought someone who knew the answer would be nice enough to post the link again.
But obviously i do not have to apologize to waste any of your time, because you seem to have the time to flame around a little bit and tell me things which i said you need not tell me and just leave this thread.
It's just funny how when a question gets asked several times 100 people do have the time to write thousands of lines just to flame at the people instead of using just 10 seconds to leave the thread (which would result in less posts for the search engine) or posting a solution (which would result in thread being closed). I am a guy who always uses the Search engine first and i definately don't give up after 5 minutes of search, but some problems are harder to find via the search than are others, that's the problem. And if i get the feeling that my solution is not to be found, what would you do? Just leave it at that, or post in a board that brilliantly helps everyone who needs help. Okay i can see that i should have posted in the right thread, not start a new one, but the outcome would have been exactly the same.
Now i know that some threads really are useless, but believe me, some people just are unfriendly and rather spend an eternity writing stupid comments than posting a solution, even if they already did so 2 or 3 times=) I helped on problems that were discussed several times myself and i even wrote personal messages with the solution instead of filling up the board. Personally, when i think a thread makes me mad, i leave it and i do not spend any more time of my life on reading/posting in this thread.
It was just a try, sorry. I did not mean to offend anyone and i'll just leave it at that and use the search engine again. But opposite to some other users, i WOULD post the link ANYTIME someone asks for it.
Thread can be closed/deleted, whatever.
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what you apologising for? have you been told off by the moderators? NO! ya can post whatever you like if ya feel like it. you have no reason to apologize at all! you haven't broken any rules nor offended anyone! in most threads wen people encounter problems they seem to post the same issue over and over again and fixes may have already been posted earlier! that seems to annoy people as some others tend not to search prior to posting. sometimes i can see how peops feel as these threads are quite long especially on anything itje releases. dont know whether you searched or not but in future maybe you should ok!
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people like you annoy me mate! if ya did not like what the guy posted then don't flame the man's thread. keep your opinions to yourself. people on here are too quick to have a go at people for posting their feelings as wen posted in thread ya get the same old jibe! the guy did the decent thing and posted out of thread so if anyone could help him then post. he didnt need your 2 pence especially when the rom he had issues wid had no personal bearing on you! Fards who is involved wid the touch-it scene kindly asked him to post in thread! what right have you got? f**king unbelievable some of you fools on here! kiss A** and brown nosers! leave the man's thread alone as he did not need you to advise him of your flipping useless opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i agree that what i post is annoying, same as post like his are too for starting this thread. you say what right i have to flame at him? i can ask you the same thing, what rite do you have for addressing my issue i don't have at you? that's rite Fards is on the touch it team, so he does have the authority to say something. does that mean only the team of the rom is allow to post only? NOOOOO all and anyone can, if it's either helping, complaining, or flaming that's why its a forum. im no brown noser i just pointed to fards post because that's what i would have said as many would too. all he said was go to that relevant thread, logically wouldn't you say the same DAM thing?!!!? dude your just as much of a mindless f*ck here as i am for not minding your own business lol. you didn't post anything fix or links, neither did i. you flame at me for flaming at him, and non of it is our dam business to begin with. you agree that he shouldn't have started a thread and should have search, guess what soo did i. soo shingers roll up your blunt and flame on that, chill the F*ck out son. you ain't no better than me by what you posted here. atleast i gave him my layout plan how i read the forums and take notes. maybe that can encourage him to start his own search plan. wtf help did you do? nothing!!! let's keep going on and on to see who wins this battle of words and continue to clog up this forum... loser
btw im patiently waiting for yall's 6.5+Rhodium rom. i like how the topaz+6.5 came out, pretty stable.
Samson711 said:
First of all it is a great ROM, i just love it!! So Thanks Itje.
My Carrier is o2 Germany and i encounter some problems with my data connection. IM+ keeps losing the connection, resulting in switching between on- and offline every 20 seconds. This is not only very disturbing while chatting, but after 20 times or so, my ICQ Account gets blocked for one hour for security reasons.
Same goes for Opera Mobile, when i google Something i get Connection Problems, after hitting refreh for 3 or 4 times, Pages load just fine.
I found out that other people have the same problem, especially people on T-Mobile and i searched for a possible solution, because it was mentioned that [email protected] posted a work-around but all i could find was a Proxy Setting for T-Mobile NL posted by him, so what i would like to ask is if anybody found a solution to fix this problem, because apart from the otherwise excellent ROM this really "grinds my gears" ;P
And please, if anyone is offended by this post or thinks i did not search enough, just use the "Back" Button in your Browser and i apologize for wasting 10 seconds of your day =)
I Just thought if this problem got solved already and many other users suffer the same conditions, a solution should be more accessable and not be hidden somewhere in 2500 Posts.
Thanks Guys and good night
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holdout said:
I agree! Even when I try to download e-mail and retrieve headers it keeps saying it loses the connection. I have to try a few times and "hope" it doesn't drop the connection. Same with Windows Live Messenger.
I REALLY like itje's ROM's but I think he does some radio/registry tweaking for radio connectivity, and somewhere down the road a tweak broke something
A real shame I have full signal 3G/HSPA or full signal EDGE and it keeps dropping the connection every half a minute or so...
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im dealing with this problem all the time on any custom rom. the only solution for me is to use the stock rom, i have tried every other way/solution, none of them work for me.
I also have the same problem.
I use IRC a lot on my X1, and with Itje's ROMs, pocketIRC disconnects itself in 30 seconds or so.
I have read through the Touch-It9 thread and also used the search function without coming up with any answers.
I would be grateful if someone could simply post a link to the relevant fix.
I'm currently using smarberg's TouchX V7, no such problems with this ROM.
himuraken said:
i agree that what i post is annoying, same as post like his are too for starting this thread. you say what right i have to flame at him? i can ask you the same thing, what rite do you have for addressing my issue i don't have at you? that's rite Fards is on the touch it team, so he does have the authority to say something. does that mean only the team of the rom is allow to post only? NOOOOO all and anyone can, if it's either helping, complaining, or flaming that's why its a forum. im no brown noser i just pointed to fards post because that's what i would have said as many would too. all he said was go to that relevant thread, logically wouldn't you say the same DAM thing?!!!? dude your just as much of a mindless f*ck here as i am for not minding your own business lol. you didn't post anything fix or links, neither did i. you flame at me for flaming at him, and non of it is our dam business to begin with. you agree that he shouldn't have started a thread and should have search, guess what soo did i. soo shingers roll up your blunt and flame on that, chill the F*ck out son. you ain't no better than me by what you posted here. atleast i gave him my layout plan how i read the forums and take notes. maybe that can encourage him to start his own search plan. wtf help did you do? nothing!!! let's keep going on and on to see who wins this battle of words and continue to clog up this forum... loser
btw im patiently waiting for yall's 6.5+Rhodium rom. i like how the topaz+6.5 came out, pretty stable.
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na you win as i man got better things to do! hope ya enjoy your victory! as for calling me a loser - if only you knew! LOL if only you knew! wonder if you would have said that **** to my face dude? if only you knew! ya right about one thing and that i need to take a drag of my blunt! sounds like typical ignorant ranting as ya making assumptions because of my avatar! also ya right i didnt help and instead of acting maturely and ignoring your naive rantings i got dragged in! apologies for that!
sorry but this has gone far enough
im closing the thread