Question on using the extended ROM properly - MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading

I'm just starting to get into the depths of my PDA2K and this site is GREAT!!!!!!! Since I'm just one step up from "The Village Idiot", I have a couple questions for all you pros.
After reading about using the extended ROM, and unlocking it and seeing what's in there, I think I've figured it out. Whatever CABs are listed in the config file will be installed upon a hard reset....correct? If true, and since I have only 3.5MB left in Ex ROM, can I put the other CABs I wanted installed in say /storage/CABs, list them in the config file and upon a hard reset they will be installed? Is there any reason to put them into Extended ROM rather than Storage? Is it alright to put CABs in from like games, Resco Explorer, WebIS Mail, etc.? Lastly is there a way to set the programs up where I don't have to go back and enter all the registration numbers again?
Thanks a ton for your help!!!
Tom

In extended rom they are not taking up your precious storage space on the device.

cruisin-thru said:
In extended rom they are not taking up your precious storage space on the device.
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is it possible then to keep the installation cabs on storage card,
and also, can that path be set in the config file in ext rom?
what happens if a particular cab is not found after hard reset?
is the installation stuck or it just gives a warning and keeps on going to the next cab listed in the list.

Have a read of this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=83119#83119
It might be a bit to deep but should help you along the way.
1) You can keep a cab anywere you want
2) make sure your cab is read only as it can delete itsself after install.
3) to run a auto install from a differnet storage place you need to hack the reg (see thread).
In all if you have a sd card you could leave your EXt rom empty.
Hack the reg to the new postion and run the Autorun from there.
Have fun

Thanks for all the infor everyone! From what I've read in other threads I need to make sure that TPdisabled is set to off so that when programs like WebIS Mail and SplashID get installed I can touch the screen to make sure they install into the right place and other things. Correct? If this is correct, should I just remove TPdisabled all together?
Thanks again,
Tom

TPdisabled can't be set off, its either run or not run. So dump it and you wont have a problem

MDAIIIUser - Thanks for the link! I looked at it and you're right, it's pretty indepth and I'll have to read it more closely at a later time....like at work.
Question1: leochan2005 had a follow-up saying "why not use backup"? While I agree this would be easier, I'm assuming that by using your method one would get a much "cleaner" install than backing up all the crap that was on the system prior to the hard reset...correct?
Question2: It took me a long time to get my TMo settings setup on my PDA2K and I don't want to go thru that again. Is there a way to backup those settings so that they can be auto-configured at a later time? I read about making a personalsettings.CAB but haven't done it yet.
Thanks,
Tom

MDAIIIUser said:
TPdisabled can't be set off, its either run or not run. So dump it and you wont have a problem
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Thanks! I take it it should be at the beginning of the config file so that I can access it. Correct?

q1)
Well the short of "why not use backup" is you can if you feel that:
1) Restoring Regedit values from a lower rom version
2) Restoring system applications form a lower rom version such as BT
are called for, wanted or even needed.
I fail to see that point as a upgrade is an upgrade and a backup is a backup. Now you could do a restore of your system data also (which you could also sync and that would be clean
Q2)
Most fo those settings are part of T-mobile.cabs found in Extrom, the rest would have been reg entries that you are going to have to hunt for and copy.
So sorry no way around reading the other thread (personalsettings.CAB)

MDAIIIUser - Maybe I should state what I'm trying to accomplish and you could give me a clue as to how to do it. A couple days ago I upgraded by BT on my PDA2K (generic from Expansys) to 1.0.0.3900 (or what ever the latest is) and I'm currently looking at upgrading my radio to 1.12, but that would require a hard reset. I'm not in the mood to go thru all the program installs and SMS/MMS tweaking again, so I'm trying to figure out the best way to get all my programs and configurations back after the hard reset. I thought by incorporating the personalsettings.cab (for my Tmo settings) and your method I would be up and running pretty quickly. Yes? I have Sprite Backup, but I'm not sure if that's going to overwrite anything after the radio upgrade????
Thoughts?
Thanks!

Well my logic (that could be wrong) would say that a restore of your backup would get you to were you are now.
That you would need a restore as you have to do a hard reset after the 1.12 radion install.
But I can't answer the question will the radio be restored as well,
I don't know, I don't know the settings in the backup application, so am sorry I will have to let somebody else answer this one.

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.cab queries

Hi,
I need some assistance. I am currently cooking my extended rom. My Extended rom does not have enough space so, i am putting some of my MUST HAVE softwares in my storage so that it installs after a HARD RESET.
But, most .cab files will auto delete upon launch. Is there any way to make
it not delete ? Kindly assist.
Thanx a million
You can avoid the CAB files being deleted by making them read-only.
Well i mean that there is a Registry hack that will not delete .cab's on installation, but you would have to make a .cab with that registry setting and install it as the first thing after hardreset, although i dont think it will work since the registry is already loaded, and the new setting require a reboot to work.
Look in Wiki for registry hacks.
So why dont you just Write protect the .cab's that you want to hold on to
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Well i mean that there is a Registry hack that will not delete .cab's on installation, but you would have to make a .cab with that registry setting and install it as the first thing after hardreset, although i dont think it will work since the registry is already loaded, and the new setting require a reboot to work.
Look in Wiki for registry hacks.
So why dont you just Write protect the .cab's that you want to hold on to
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i have tried that but, dont work
All my "wanna hang on to" .cab's are write protected, and non of them get deleted upon installation.
Manuel installation that is.
bosjo said:
Well i mean that there is a Registry hack that will not delete .cab's on installation, but you would have to make a .cab with that registry setting and install it as the first thing after hardreset, although i dont think it will work since the registry is already loaded, and the new setting require a reboot to work.
Look in Wiki for registry hacks.
So why dont you just Write protect the .cab's that you want to hold on to
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ermm.. how do i go about it... i wanna auto install stuff like Pocket Informant , SPB Pocket Plus and my must have s/w upon hard reset
Thats why i need to coookkk
I have room enoughf in my ExtRom, so I have never auto installed from other than the ExtRom.
But I'm almost 100% sure that there was a topic on auto installing from \Storage (Card) sometime ago.
Maybee youll find some info in the Wiki
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_RomKitchen
bosjo said:
I have room enoughf in my ExtRom, so I have never auto installed from other than the ExtRom.
But I'm almost 100% sure that there was a topic on auto installing from \Storage (Card) sometime ago.
Maybee youll find some info in the Wiki
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_RomKitchen
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well, i dont seem to find anything of what i am looking for
Wait a day or two, maybe someone who knows come along.
You can use a software name Cabinst wich let you install a cab without deleting it.
Easy.
Hi,
Easiest way is to make cab read only. Browse the storage card using PC via activesync. Right click on cab file. Go to properties and make it readonly.
You can also change the deafult beahvior of Instal by changing registry key.
Shikra said:
Hi,
Easiest way is to make cab read only. Browse the storage card using PC via activesync. Right click on cab file. Go to properties and make it readonly.
You can also change the deafult beahvior of Instal by changing registry key.
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change which part of it ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=16377
M4io said:
in browsing my editor i stumbled upone these :
Code:
[\HKLM\SOFTWARE\Apps\Microsoft Application Installer]
fAskDest=0
fAskOptions=0
fEnablCef=0
nDynamicDelete=2
Supported="PALM PC"
* fAskDest=1 gives you a popup when you install a CAB so you can install on Storage Card for example
* fAskOptions=1 asked before overwriting, haven't found out if/what other options
*fEnableCef : I haven't messed around with that
* nDynamicDelete=0 and the CAB file remains, =1 it disappears but what the difference with the default value 2 is I couldn't figure out.
So if anyone else wants to experiment with it and post their findings
I searched Google but all I could find was about fAskDest
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keep the ext rom empty,
after reboot hack the reg to point to new area.
Run the autorun from threre.
Have all files as read only.
info under
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=83119#83119
Only problem is that all cabs are installed in the default location.
I have yet to get cabinstall to run in batch mode using the nscript tool.
Hope its what you are after

Delete Unwanted Programs?

I am trying to delete programs that I believe I don't need. I use WiFi and do not have T-Mobile Internet Plan. Would I create a problem if I delete the following:
DAT MailTrigger
OZ Communications OM IM
T-Mobile HotSpot Login Utility
Thank you!
Are these in your Remove Program list? If not, you may not able to 'uninstall' these nicely.
What I suggest is that you may want to have a look on your Ext ROM, get all the CABS file there. Use some CAB managers, to open each of them and see where they have places the files and delete them. If things goes wrong, you can always have it installed since you already know which CAB is responsible for which.
Or, if you can affort a hard reset, reset your device and do not allow the Ext ROM to be install (e.g. soft reset your device after the security setup). Then, go into your Ext ROM and install the CAB files one by one, to identify the CAB files that you do/do-not want to install. This will give you a clean installation.
hanmin said:
Are these in your Remove Program list? If not, you may not able to 'uninstall' these nicely.
Ys, these are in my Remove Program list. They are loaded apps/software that is part of the T-Mobile total package. I did not load these using a CAB file. I guess I will just take a chance and remove them and see what happens. Like you said below I can do a Hard Rest if I need to. Thanks for your input. I do appreciate it.
TonynMI
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I remove those apps if I remember too and since I've never had a need for their functionality, I've never had a problem because of uninstalling them. All you really gain, however, is a tiny bit of memory...which is probably why I usually don't remember to remove them.
Just completed removing the following:
Memory Available Before/After Removal: (Saved
DAT MailTrigger 3450/3624 (174)
OZ Communications OM IM 3624/3629 (5)
T-Mobile HotSpot Login Utility 3629/4052 (423)
Restart after removal and no problems.
Thanks for your responses.

Dead Xda IIS

Guys, i need some help. Recently i came across the rom update for my xda iis, so i decide to take it out of my drawer and see if i can update it with HELMI_BA_WM6_R0_Public. I followed all the steps and try to upgrade it, after i click on HELMI_BA_WM6_R0_.exe, my xda iis restart on cradle and after that nothing happen. I notice it only appear on the top with the word "serial" and the bottom "v2.06". I have tried in vain to get it working again, please try to help as im very new to this. Im using window Vista.
since apparently, you are not that experienced in flashing your device, i would recommend you use windows xp to flash your device.
then you have a look at this wiki wizard:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade1_WM2003SE0
this is a step by step instruction on how to upgrade from wm2003 to wm6.
please follow it precisely, even if you don't see a point in certain steps, they are all important!!!
if you, however, don't understand a step or a phrase, feel free to re-post, and i will explain it to you in more detail.
have fun with the upgrading, one word of advise: take your time, the first upgrade with storage resize radio upgrade, sim unlock and other stuff can last an hour or two (not the upgrade itself, but the process you go through). when you remember the steps and feel like you want a different rom, after testing this one, all you have to do is donload a "nk.nbf" file and flash it, and the entire update takes you 5 minutes then
Hi Chef_tony, thanks for the reply. I went to the link u gave me and from the 1st step on im stuck. It ask me to download both the unlocker and Repart and place it on the phone, but i cant do anything with the phone except for the "Serial" on top and "V2.06" below, it does change to "usb" when i cradle it. please help. thanks again
ok, then at that point you are stuck in boot loader, that happened to me too.
the reason for that might not be that interesting to you now, but it is because vista in the middle of the flashing process vista thinks it needs new drivers, downloads them and then it disconnects the device, something that shouldn't be done while flashing, as everyone knows.
these wiki links explain how to flash from vista using modified drivers, but i wanna tell you in advance, that i personally never got it running, i always use a windows xp machine:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade4_Vista
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade4_Vista_Pic
so, still i want to state that the best way to flash is a xp computer, if you have access to one, use that to flash your original shipped rom first, to resize the storage (first wizard step) afterwards.
theoretically, a virtual machine, running xp would also work, if you still have an xp cd lying around, you can download virtual pc 2007 from microsoft, it is free and you just need a short time to set up a virtual xp machine, because i can guarantee you, you will flash more than one rom, once you started on the topic.
remember, you need to flash your shiped rom, then you want to flash the helmi rom, then maybe a rom update and probably you are not staying with that rom forever, since it is wm6, there is also wm6.1 and wm6.5 to follow that.
what i want to say is:
- try the flashing with vista option described in the wiki links above
- if that doesn't work, try to get to an xp computer and follow the steps
- flash your original shipped rom first
- then the wiki wizard steps in again
Problem is solve, thank you so much chef_tony. my next question is...where can i get wm6.1 rom as all the link i had is dead
according to another user, this thread's links are still working:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403421
but it does not contain office. (you can still try other office download links, if you need it)
just by the tiny size of the extrom i would say there is hardly anything contained, but anyway, that is a rom i used too, and it is quite nice, also look up IOLITE stuff in this forum for extra apps.
make sure to repost if everything went to plan
I found a working wm6.1 pro on another website and its working great! It contain office as well. Thing now is i didnt adjust the memory and i didnt have enough space to install every software that i had
This is the link http://www.4shared.com/file/66810499/8a61be24/HTC-BA5220758WWE_v302_25M_PP-16M_RAMdisk_a.html?s=1
By the way chef_tony, you happen to have any idea how to open up BA, cause i would love to clean it up on the inside.
1. the thing is, the storage resize is important for 2 reasons:
- sure, with the resize you woulld have 16mb more storage memory for installing programs and storing stuff
- you still have your original extrom on the device, which is not compatible with newer roms, meaning, instead of simply copying the extrom to an sd card to have a basic setup and installing programs you need to install cabs manually
which is why i said to follow the steps precisely, now you have 16mb of space you simply can't access from wm6 at all, and for a resize you'd have to go back to wm2003 first but give your rom a try first, maybe it is not the perfect one for you after all, then you still have the opportunity to re-flash.
2. i am glad you found a valid link, many people post their roms to hosters that take it down after a while, expecially when there are no more downloads of that item, and so, many links posted here half a year ago are not working anymore, which is sad, since there are still a lot of people, including you, that would like to go to wm5, wm6 or wm6.1 and not just the newest wm6.5 builds, but, whatever, you found your rom and hopefully kept the files stored on your pc for future reflashing...
3. there are two basic disassembling guides for the BA:
- the official service manual (also good for repairs, since they explain each step):
http://www.4pda-service.ru/netcat_f.../BLUE ANGEL/HTC_Blue_Angel_Service_manual.pdf
- the manual made by a forum user:
http://www.land-of-kain.de/ppc/mda3/disassembly/
i am glad it all worked out for you so far and you will realize that this old device has a lot of potential, when you keep it up to date (and clean ).
Thanks you so much for the help. I'll try to update if the link is dead someday, by the way..i have 43mb storage and 84mb programme, is that good or bad?
the program memory is normal, but the storage should be 16 mb more, so instead of 43.XX you would have 60.30mb.
that is the extrom resize mentioned before.
- you need to flash your original rom for that
- then copy the "xda-developers unlocker" and the "repart_doc.exe" to your device. (attached below)
- you install the extrom unlocker
- then you go to start menu and extrom unlocker
- you execute "unhide"
- then unlock
- then start the repart_doc and set the size to 128kb
then you can lock the extrom and hide it again.
maybe in that process there is a soft reset required, i don't remember.
the reason why you do all that is because the extrom memory is hidden and locked and contains a bunch of cabs, that install automatically, when you hard reset the device.
so after that, you can reflash your wm6 rom, and you'll see, that after you resized and formatted that space, your memory dialogue will show 60.30mb of storage memory (plus it gives you the opportunity to install wm6 extroms from the sd card).

Custom ROM from existing ROM

Hi,
I would like to customize a ROM for myself but i would need your advice...
Is it possible to use a ROM (Lets say NRG ROM 2.5), and to customize it (reg tweaks, MMS config, Exchange Server config with password set by default, install some cab and put the registration keys by default....) ?
If this is possible, is it hard to update it ? for exemple if NRG updates his ROM, i also want to be up to date with mine, is it easy to "synchronize", or reapply all previous actions without too much hassle ?
Do you have any links i should read to start a Kitchen ?
Thanks in advance
It might be worth having a search around for SASHIMI. It'll let you collect .cabs and .reg files etc and automate running then after youve flashed a new ROM.
if you figure out how your reg details are kept for each piece of software (in the registry or a file etc.), you can get it to reinstate them after flashing too.
You could DL the latest verion of a ROM, pull it apart and change whatever you like and then flash it to your phone but it'd be a pain for pain version.
Using sashimi, its also easy to update your setup when indiviudual apps and settings change, without needing to reflash your phone and then re-sync etc.
The way I see it, sashimi only really needs setting up the once and then given a tweak when something changes rather than needing to be re-done as with a ROM...the only down-side I can really find is it needs running after a hard-reset, whereas if you cook the changes in they wouldnt (so its no good for 'find or nuke my stolen phone' type apps).
I believe a lot of cooked ROMs include 'User Customization' (UC) which does a similar thing, but i havent used it myself.
Also, I may be wrong, but i think you could need certain details from the original chef before you can pull apart a cooked ROM too (i remember reading about file somewhere in your kitchen, memory fails me though)-and, of course, the chefs permission
Let us know what you try out.
'tunes

Upgraded Qtek 9090

Well, I'm new here in the forum, come and ask for help from everyone, because I tried everything, and frankly I'm kinda tired of reinstalling everything without being able to update my QTEK WM6, when he ta with WM3 SE, follow the tutorial here, but always get stuck at the run the update because it does not show the version being installed and not installed on the device, therefore I can not continue.
Sorry for bad English!
I await help! = \
Look oque appears when I try to go anyway!
Apparently the software to using is not appropriate for the QTEK9090 WM3 SE.
well, i would guess, either your device is not in bootloader mode or your activesync is not successfully killed, also have a look at these detailed instructions and make sure, you are performing every step in that order, because people seem to reduce the upgrading to 5 steps and miss out on other important steps and then wonder, why they got close, but could not actually upgrade. this should help you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4706441&postcount=2
Well, I stopped at the next part because I was concerned:
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6. Click "Format now!"
7. Soft reset
8. Go back to the Extrom Tools
9. Lock "
10. "Hide"
11. Now proceed with "Upgrading to WM5 / 6 device" "
Format does not reset the contents of some memory? XD
And so, my device is already unlocked, just that I do not know if this release is the same as reported in the tutorial, because the release did was running a program, and only, I put no chip here and recognize.
Well these are my doubts before proceeding, take better now than screw up =).
And thank you for your help buddy!
And type, that WM6 signature, it is recommended?
Thanks =)
i don't understand your problem with that.
that part is about the extrom, and whether you format the extrom during using the device does not matter, because it is only used after a hard reset. the extrom is a special hidden partition that contains cab files, provided by your carrier or the phone manufacturer, that are supposed to customize or brand the device after the initial start. since that is never used again and only contains crap in the first place, it is recommended to delete that partition and merge it to the storage space, to be able to install more stuff.
also, you should not be afraid to format any partition, because when you flash a new rom, you format the entire device anyways. if there is still stuff, you don't want to lose, you should make a backup asap.
also, in case that was misunderstood, that unlocking has nothing to do with sim-lock or anything.
Hmm, then this procedure is only if I want to increase the storage space? I could skip that part?
you could skip that part, but why would you want less storage space. you know, the gigantic ram partition is not there in any build above wm5, you only have 43mb of storage space, why not make it 60mb, it is more. that extrom partition cannot be accessed from a higher operating system, there is no advantage in keeping it. it could even result in problems, when installing the newer roms' extroms, because they are supposed to be on the sd card and for some people, they don't work, if they didn't take care of the old extrom first. and now is the only opportunity to do it. once wm 6.5 is flashed and you realize, you're running out of storage space, after installing internet explorer, office, .net framework, maybe another browser and your pim data, maybe an mp3 ringtone, you'd have to go back to wm2003, increase the storage size, and then flash wm6.5 back and install everything all over again.
so, extrom resizing:
PRO
+ significantly more space
+ faster running device
+ no problems with installing wm6.5 extrom
+ no old baggage which you cannot use
+ you will probably do it anyway, now it takes 3 minutes to do it
CON
- no downside here
i see that since you are a rather new member and probably don't know, what every little step is for, but i put that in the tutorial for a purpose, so people don't make the same mistake i made: to skip that and go to wm6 directly, i regretted it and had a lot of work going back and clearing out the mistakes done before. this is a one time only process, whenever you decide to flash another rom, you will only need to do the "upgrading a wm5/6 device part", which will take about 10-15minutes overall. also there is no need to worry, this process is completely reversible, whenever you feel uncomfortable with your custom rom and for any reason you want to get back to the factory defaults, you can do that, so you have nothing to lose here
i hope these were enough reasons for you to keep going and follow procedure
I deeply appreciate your explanation, now I just wait for rapidshare free slots that I could download the necessary files and try again an update, yes, I'm afraid of running out of equipment, I'll try it again ^ ^.
When I start the procedure again and any problem I may have or if God willing I can update I've been posting here.
Again for the help
How can I tell you, thank you for your explanation was fine, because I almost died here at the time that tava installing WM6, gave the fall of light, more then I redid the procedure and installed by a faster ^ ^.
Chef_Tony, taking advantage, you recommend me some programs or games? ^ ^
And to make the topic too, you understand the Audiovox smartphone? It is similar to the QTek, a client of mine has this machine that only the poor ta destruidinho, the touch and cracked his ex-owner tried to install WM6 on the device as it is not possible and now the device does not leave the screen colors, enter the serial screen and everything, only that it will be to recover from that?
Sorry for the inconvenience.
The model is the Audiovox PPC 6600.
Anyway, thank you for all patience and clear ^ ^!
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Interestingly, you can change the items on the Home screen? Why is a lot of things that do not use and would be interesting to place objects that use it '-', I liked the format, just do not like the items, just wanted to change items xD

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