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Talk about Pocket PC becoming more powerful
This was made possible by a Pocket PC port of Bochs, by Mamaich, who has also ported DosBox, a "program similar to Bochs but it's a lot faster and only emulates DOS". Sadly, the author tried and failed to get WarLords II working on both these versions, but I'm sure time will tell!
If you're keen to try this on your own Pocket PC, you'll need a minimum of a 256MB memory card (or stream the image over a wireless network) and you'll need a program like Nyditot Virtual Display to increase your screen resolution. Oh, yes, and you'll also need the emulator.
According to Miracle, what we really need now is for another developer to "pick this up and optimize it to get more speed, since Mamaich stated that he will not continue to work on this, but instead focus more on DosBox."
Given that this shows that a Pocket PC is easily powerful enough to run Windows 95 and 98 in an emulator, do you think that attention might shift from developing new Pocket PC games to trying to get the original PC games to work in emulators? While I played a few games in Pocket DOS, the lack of decent controls made enjoying them nearly impossible. On the other hand, a predominantly mouse based game might run quite happily, and allow everyone to enjoy it on the move.
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Instructions:
WIN95 on Pocket PC with BOCHS 2.1.1 in 30 STEPS
WIN95 and BOCHS on Windows
BOCHS Emulator Homepage
Another Informative Article about PPC/BOCHS and Emulation
Please note: I have not tried this myself. However i believe this to be true and working, since ppc are powerful these days. In saying so, i do not believe this emulator will run on my h6365...you probably need a descent processor speed, probably a minimum of something around 400mhz (i'm guessing)
This opens up a big portal to the ppc world, if win95 can be stable on ppc, all win95 programs can run within ppc...
I do not take any responsibility for damage to your ppc resulting from this post!
Procedure is complicated, you will need to have some knowledge of PPC to do it.
Please if anyone has manage to get it working tell us here! Any problems please post
Bochs for ppc emulator is attached at the bottom!
There are no Links!!!
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Dosbox...
Don't work under Windows Mobile 2005 version.
And may you install windows 98 or ( Someone had that tried )
But you will got:
Slow performance.
Hardware errors
No sound ( With some devices )
Video problem
more more.
This is an emulated and remaked Windows version, ( and only a rumour )
Becareful.
Thx.
EQUANCY said:
Don't work under Windows Mobile 2005 version.
And may you install windows 98 or ( Someone had that tried )
But you will got:
Slow performance.
Hardware errors
No sound ( With some devices )
Video problem
more more.
This is an emulated and remaked Windows version, ( and only a rumour )
Becareful.
Thx.
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That's Right
I have done this a long while ago back when I had an Asus A620. I got Win95 to boot in 4-5 minutes. No keyboard, no mouse, but it was interesting.
Really interesting, but only for Win98 retrò experience on my pda, not for other, this os (win98 or 95) is really unstable compared to today microsoft products...it is possible to run win nt or 2000 with same system or ntfs make trouble? just a little workstation, on the xda XD
Dos emulations doesn't support nt platforms.
DosBox a simple Msdos emulation system, like Virtual PC,
the emulation projects maded for simple operations with some hardware restrictions.
such as soundless or low graphics.
The FreeSCI project is one of them. That's amiga emulation platform, now it has been resembled for Windows Mobile based Pocket PC's,
but some games are running slow, someones don't work, soms goes error.
There is no stabilitation.
I suggest, don't try hardluck...
You may lose ur pda,
windows98 maybe run, but WindowsNT never can be.
PDA's are not as notebook and not much flexible.
If you have 800 mhz or higher mobile processor and 128 or 256 mb ddr ram. May you can try to (The pda's will use ddr technology nearly) play some basic windows games.
May be solitaire...
A good dream...
But we don't use miracle devices,
They're only PDA's...
And they have already OS's and games....
Am I wrong?
"DosBox will emulate Windows Vista in future..."
I wish that,
But that will never happen, like windows98 or NT.. (in short times, before 2080 )
THX.
EQUANCY said:
Am I wrong?
"DosBox will emulate Windows Vista in future..."
I wish that,
But that will never happen, like windows98 or NT.. (in short times, before 2080 )
THX.
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lol.not you are not wrong.i think maybe in the future....vista and his rootkits will run on my old C64
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_shift_umpc_revealed-news-262.php
Lets go to Windows XP to our PDA's
Seems silly to mean, it has such a tiny screen for running a full copy of vista. Sure it has it's usage, but for me it's a full size laptop running full size windows or a small device running small windows. You can't have a small device running a large windows!
Wait, your not being serious are you?
I'v placed it for a while fun...
Yeah,
Only this,
But someones has been tried windows 98 on BlueAngel devices before 2 years ago, But no mouse, no sound soo much problems and silly bluescreen
Now,
there is a Windows XP portable edition you know,
it's very small about 100 mb +/-
May be...
But only may be,
One PDA ( may be ours )
will use windows XP
This is only an idea, may be dream...
But for only some fun.
I am using Windows 3.0 with a Dosbox port for Windows CE. It is actually quite functional and you do have a mouse!
I have not yet tried to install Win 3.1/95/98.
It is very usefull for DOS programs and games.
Cheers,
vma
Well, a quick google and sure enough....
http://www.pocketdos.com/screenshots_ppc.htm
http://www.pocketdaily.com/index.php/2006/10/22/freeware-dosboxppc-v063/
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/dosboxppc.shtml
I'm impressed! Monkey Island!
I'd love to try 98 on the BA...I recall someone posted about it a while ago...can't remember much about it...
EDIT: http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3660
EQUANCY said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_shift_umpc_revealed-news-262.php
Lets go to Windows XP to our PDA's
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What you see is just a theme on a WM6.
Take a look at this Official Demo -
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...43-9b9f-48c8-8195-1000d3398f3f&DisplayLang=en
actually its real vista on a umpc
In theory XP is possible to run on Blueangel and Himalaya (reason: 128 mb ram, 400 MHz CPU), but i dont think that there are drivers and kernel compiled for our devices which are XP compatible.
Really?
This is a good news dude.
Yeah I guess too that is possible.
But we need some drivers about input devices ( mouse, keyboard )
It's not only problem,
We need Wireless drivers too.
And But may be...
If can anyone port BartPE solution to BA, yeah I think that is a day light about XP?
I think processor and mainbord not so much problem for BartPE.
I mean, may we don't need so much space...
Only drivers, necessary main system files and boot files, ( it's about 32 mb )
Really...
Because XP can install on which computer has 64 mb ram and 333 mhz processor,
Cuz,
BartPE can install every drivers to RAM, and BA has enough memory for that.
Now,
Other files (Such as dll's, sys files ) can manage from SD?
We don't need so much big drivers.
But I guess the big problem is.
HOW CAN WE CREATE A BOOT SECTOR ON BA'S FLASH MEMORY FOR BARTPE.
This is like a dead-end of revolution
Thanks...
I think you don't undersand what you are talking about.
Comparing 333MHz PC and 400 PocketPC is a wrong because they sport different architectures. You must first use emulator to emulate a x86 processor of PC. But then the power of 400MHz ARM will be sufficient to emulate something like 50MHz 386 or even less. Usually, emulators don't emulate only processor but the whole machine with all it's hardware.
Are you sure?
Arm, MIPS, XScale, strongarm etc..
These processor have smilar architecture with x86 based processors.
Do you know that?
Because they are 32 bit processors. they have integrated FPU and MPU units.
These processors not maded only for PDA's.
There is so much devices powered with them.
Now,
Important point is not processor architecture.
Because...
Linux and Windows maded with C and C+ software language.
BeOS too...
Now,
Windows CE too...
And at this time, Linux on PDA's a reallity and some people already uses Linux on their devices.
why not XP?
Why
Not?
Hi,
@Equancy: You are wrong.
When you say "emulation" you mean the replication of a CPU and other chips (graphics, sound, etc.) by software.
The phones discussed in this forum do NOT have an x86 compatible CPU.
Recompiling the whole OS for this architecture is NOT emulation and is not very usefull, either, as you would still not be able to run any application. You would need to recompile all applications, also. Forget that!
So far I managed to use MS-DOS (any release) and Windows 3.0 (still have a legal copy with full set of disks). Windows 3.1 won't work with Dosbox.
I have not yet tried Bochs for PocketPC: the Mamaich's links are dead and it is not an easy emulator to setup. On this emulator, Windows 95 is reported to work, though very slowly.
Other great emulatores for our phones:
- PocketUAE (AmigaOS emulator)
- Pocket vMac (MacIntosh emulator)
- PocketC64/Pocket Vice (C64 emulator)
- and the list goes on and on!
Cheers,
vma
I don't talking about any emulator!
Processor
Xscale, ARM, SIPH processors are based on 32 bit processing archtiecture,
There is a Portable PC with Samsung's SIPH processor running on 400 mhz with Windows media center.
Only a few differents,
1,5" mini HDD drive ( 20 gb )
DDR Ram ( 128 mb )
USB-input
But they are expansion hardwares,
I say again,
There is a lot of Linux operated PDA's.
Check These out:
http://pocketworkstation.org/
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?ContentId=2905
http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html
If linux can install on a pocketPC,
I think XP can install too...
If any body can make a boot sector on BA's flash rom for MsDOS may we will find a day-light in XP shadows
Note: I guess we have another problem,
XP cannot run on 16 bit fat sytems, media center too..
May be I'm wrong, may be these things are completely crazy claims.
But I see them as a "Hope"
Thanks.
Like Windows, Linux has many, many versions. In fact when most people say they have Linux on the PDA it's just a very basic stripped down and hacked version of an old kernal. It's impossibly to do this with Windows XP, as uses a completely diffrent kernal structure, is recoded specificly for newer machinces and is closed source so only microsoft can recode it.
Come to think of it, if Microsoft where to use an old kernal and recode it for smaller CPU's and strip it down, won't they end up with something like, err, Windows Mobile?
Interesting...
Like Windows, Linux has many, many versions.
Linux Kernels are same, shell's are different.
There is no LINUX VERSIONS, ( as you think as )
There is only Linux releases.
Every people make their own Linux Release,
Linux is a Public ( GNU ) licenced OS right?
If you know how to developping linux or writing software then you make your linux.
But that mean,
NEVER you make a new Linux.
You make a Release.
Windows and Linux are different yeah,
But every windows's core systems are smilar.
They are a step of development way.
Come to think of it, if Microsoft where to use an old kernal and recode it for smaller CPU's and strip it down, won't they end up with something like, err, Windows Mobile?
I don't want to write nothing about that...
Windows Mobile come from Windows CE technology,
What ever.
I MEAN NOT WINDOWS XP ON PDA COMPLETELY.
I MEAN A SMALLER AND CUTTED WINDOWS XP VERSION ON PDA,
DO YOU KNOW BARTPE?
I THINK BARTPE IS A KEY.
Thanks.
Hi, I got Vista Home Premium on my PC, its an OEM copy so as far as I know I can't use it with another PC. But, if I buy OEM Vista Ultimate will I be able to install it on the same PC?
I don't want to updgrade, I will be doing a fresh install on a formatted Hard Disk. But I just wondered if OEM versions (eg: Vista HP) send my motherboard serial number to Microsfot and prevent another copy of OEM (eg: Vista Ultimate) being installed on it. I don't want to run them at the same time either, just "swap versions" basically.
Thanks!
it would not be logical for ms to block it that way as it would result in them selling less copies
p.s. why get ultimate?
i ask because alot of people seem to go for the name more then the difference between them
unless one require the 64bit vista or want the
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/choose.mspx
ms versions of what many other 3th party programs offer in a grater quality
then there really is no reason to get ultimate
it's not faster or better just extre included tools
Windows BitLocker Drive Encryption
* unless one have REALLY secret stuff then it's more trouble then it's worth slows the system down a bit
and if one have to reinstall one cant count on getting the encrypted data back
Remote Desktop Connection
* only really usefull for servers imho where one dont wish to have to go to the server room to mess about and then do it remotely from another pc
Windows Fax and Scan
*scanners always comes with software & Fax? is stoneage tech along with teletext on tv's--
Windows Complete PC Backup and Restore
*much better 3th party backup programs then anything with ms's name on it
I use a *cough* OEM version using acer certs (acer laptop) and I find I prefer ultimate because I have used it more than Home Premium which shipped with it.
Rudegar said:
it would not be logical for ms to block it that way as it would result in them selling less copies
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I agree, I'm just worried that no one else has tried this and I'll come across a problem.
Rudegar said:
p.s. why get ultimate?
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I got Vista HP as soon as it was released. Then six months later I got Windows Home Server as soon as it was released. Turns out that Remote Desktop'ing from the web to your home PC (via Windows Home Server) is only possible with Vista Ultimate. A big annouance for Home Premium buyers.
There are some tweaks for Vista HP, but I am thinking I wil go down this route.
Vista Ultimate
Hi,
I have a copy of Vista OEM running on my home machine. It's not a problem although if you do change the hardware significantly (upgrade the BIOS, add CD drives) etc and then need to re-install it you may need to call Microsoft in order to activate it again. However, I've had to do this a couple of time with no problems from MS.
Actually you wont need to reactivate unless you change your mobo or its bios. but what i've done... i`ve patched the SLIC table in ACPI table in my bios, added Asus OEM certificate and now have ultimate (modified with vlite) which even passes WGA tests)) but if you buy a legal copy of ultimate, you can install it no matter what SLA information is in your bios
foaf said:
Turns out that Remote Desktop'ing from the web to your home PC (via Windows Home Server) is only possible with Vista Ultimate. A big annouance for Home Premium buyers.
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Not sure exactly how you are trying to do this, but I have no problems, using my Vista Home Premium Laptop to connect to my WHS box and use RDP... Are you sure that your WHS has the ports opened properly...?
" Remote Desktop'ing from the web to your home PC (via Windows Home Server) is only possible with Vista Ultimate. A big annouance for Home Premium buyers."
as far as i know it's also possible with business version of vista
but of cause that lacks mediacenter and such
So for those of you you want Remote Desktop "server" capabilities on your computer and want Vista Ultimate for that reason alone, check out:
http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1220&Itemid=232
-R
Thanks for all the replies.
@ debonairone - I'm talking about being at a 'kiosk' pc and visiting http://myserver.homeserver.com, and being able to remote desktop into my Vista PC. I can RDP to the WHS from within Vista.
@ sketchy9 - Thanks, that is the work around I mentioned before. Seems like a lot of tweaking for me.
sketchy9 said:
So for those of you you want Remote Desktop "server" capabilities on your computer and want Vista Ultimate for that reason alone, check out:
http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1220&Itemid=232
-R
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:up: Yes, and that Remote Desktop and multiple sessions hack works wonderfuly on Premium........
........until one installs SP1. I won't be surprised if it'll only be a few weeks until a new RD dll hack is developed to resolve the SP1 changes.
Tho I'm a PC guy, I am still the family techie. So when my uncle called me and asked me to help him run windows programs, which he hasily defined as "work stuff", onto his Mac ( 15" 4:3 core 2 duo MacBook Pro w/ Lion) I said I'd help.
I knew of a couple different ways to do it - bootcamp, parallels, wine, vmware, ect- and after a little Googling, I called him back and asked him about dual booting Windows 7. He would really rather avoid having to power down his computer and boot it back up whenever he needed to run his software, but he wouldn't mind having to buy a seat of W7 if it would make it work hassle free after I set it up.
So, of the avalible options, what would give the best overall system performance? I may end up doing this on his i7 iMac as well, if he likes whatever I do.
I know there are Mac users here, so I hope you can help.
wine http://www.winehq.org/
Or parallels. It will run a windows environment on top of Mac OSX
thanks for the answers guys, but i know what the options are. I was wondering, from someone who has experience, which works best? Surely there's one that works easier or faster than the others?
Hi! I am constantly in need to use my laptop but I cannot carry it anywhere. So I thought what if it is possible to install and run Win 8/Win10 on my android phone (without of course removing or tampering too much with the stock OS, so that I can do some work on an external monitor?
1st of all lets see if the hardware can support this:
1) Does the Nokia 7 plus support HDMI through its USB port?
2) Does the Nokia 7 plus support HDMI over WiFi? If not can we use 3rd party app to send display through WiFi?
3) The Nokia 7 plus supports up to 256 GB of microSD storage capacity, so we have plenty of space to run Windows.
4)The CPU: What do you think, can this CPU run Win 8/10 and make simple tasks like text editing? PDF work? Spreadsheet work? Etc etc?
Thanx to all willing to answer these questions!
Lol
Why do you SPAM if you don;t have anything to say???
Some Ubuntu/Linux made an HYBRID OS that could turn your Smartphone into a DESKTOP PC by simply connecting an external monitor and mouse/keyboard
Then Nokia phones running Windows OS for phones had the same ability!
I have a vanilla clean Android device and I want to install/run Windows OS somehow parallel to it so I can take my phone out of my pocket and access my windows programs when in need (spreadsheets for examples and do work).
I know that there are some EMULATORS but I prefer something better than that.
Thank you!
contractubex said:
Why do you SPAM if you don;t have anything to say???
Some Ubuntu/Linux made an HYBRID OS that could turn your Smartphone into a DESKTOP PC by simply connecting an external monitor and mouse/keyboard
Then Nokia phones running Windows OS for phones had the same ability!
I have a vanilla clean Android device and I want to install/run Windows OS somehow parallel to it so I can take my phone out of my pocket and access my windows programs when in need (spreadsheets for examples and do work).
I know that there are some EMULATORS but I prefer something better than that.
Thank you!
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It's impossible even unlock the bootloader (in a simple and free way) or install a custom rom...
Once again, lol. It's x86 architecture vs arm. Windows doesn't have full arm support. Also, thermally your phone will die trying to run windows. It's a really badly optimized os. I would have figured that lol would have been a precise enough answer to tell you that it's not possible.
Nobody ever attempted to do what you want to achieve.
Samsung Dex also runs in the Android System.
Linux can be compiled to run on Arm, Windows is still pending.
If you are in need for a small windows machine, buy GPD Pocket or migrate your workflow in Google docs and use the apps to edit your documents.
contractubex said:
Some Ubuntu/Linux made an HYBRID OS that could turn your Smartphone into a DESKTOP PC by simply connecting an external monitor and mouse/keyboard
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But is "simple" difference, both Android and GNU/Linux use Linux as kernel, then if you run GNU/Linux on top of Android, then use same/running kernel.
contractubex said:
Then Nokia phones running Windows OS for phones had the same ability!
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This is too something else, Windows 10 Mobile OS has/had similar NT kernel/libraries as Windows 10, anyway this not run x86 application and too not arm native applications, but ONLY modern/metro apps, and need adapting app for running on big screen...
contractubex said:
I have a vanilla clean Android device and I want to install/run Windows OS somehow parallel to it so I can take my phone out of my pocket and access my windows programs when in need (spreadsheets for examples and do work).
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you want to run two DIFFERENT OS with DIFFERENT KERNEL and DIFFERENT LIBRARY and both native, without emulation, this is impossible, until some (Microsoft, or some reverse engineerings, or WINE developers or.. ) make (wtih BIG work and MANTIME) some kernel/library translation layer...
Guys, why do you reject stuff that I have seen working years ago?
youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY
ok I found the video, check for yourself! ^^^
OK thanx for the info, I wil lwait some time until someone releases this for later version of Android....
and btw they ran this OS in 2012..now its 2019....
contractubex said:
youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY
ok I found the video, check for yourself! ^^^
OK thanx for the info, I wil lwait some time until someone releases this for later version of Android....
and btw they ran this OS in 2012..now its 2019....
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on video is NOT Android, but UbuntuPhone, this is GNU/Linux OS with multiUI=for_small&for_big screen, and with some "libraries" same as on reguler GNU/Linux desktop, then is possible run native GNU/Linux (for ARM) applications...
again, Windows is different OS, with different kernel and different libraries, then is imposible run it without emulation on top of any Android (=with Linux kernel)...
if you need full desktop on external monitor connected to phone with Android, with "full" speed without emulation, then only way is run Linux distro in chroot...
windows is closed software, runs on x86/64 cpu architecture, even if someone really wanted to do this, it's not possible.
ubuntu unity worked because a) open source and b) based on linux, just like android.
no, nokia 7 plus doesnt support hdmi at all. yes, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Is it possible this is a wind up / trolling.