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Windows 95/98 on a PPC? using Bochs

as title mentioned
anyone tested a win 95/98 on ur PPC???
can post some results?
can it work on XDA 2i?
sorry if its a double post
link
http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?threadid=3660&perpage=12&pagenumber=1

win95 on a ppc?? sorry but I don't think its worth the effort. Booting from a memory card on the machine would take too long, and the resolution of the screen is WAAYY too low. But mostly I think that you wouldn't have an interface to the hardware, likeusing the modem etc.

Its very cool, but its not something that one must have
just for show off

Does anyone have a bootable floppy disk-image for me so that I can install Windows 95 on my Alpine?

Well if you search for Bochs, you will find working step by step instructions.
It's not that bad, if you have lotsof free program memory it runs pretty quick. Double clicking My Computer and it opens in a second or two.
On my device I dedicate 64MB or ram for emulation of Win95. It doesn't even slow down the device when it's in background.

i think CPU and RAM on Himalaya aren´t far enough to
worthy Emulate an PC with Windows 95
lots of People tried this...on much stronger Devices-- Fun looks different,dood!
I did tried it myself on my good old Universal (R.I.P) 2 Years ago
....i just want to say...why not use the time for laundry or sort your Screws....then its better used !

What do you think about this, guys...

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_shift_umpc_revealed-news-262.php
Lets go to Windows XP to our PDA's

Seems silly to mean, it has such a tiny screen for running a full copy of vista. Sure it has it's usage, but for me it's a full size laptop running full size windows or a small device running small windows. You can't have a small device running a large windows!
Wait, your not being serious are you?

I'v placed it for a while fun...
Yeah,
Only this,
But someones has been tried windows 98 on BlueAngel devices before 2 years ago, But no mouse, no sound soo much problems and silly bluescreen
Now,
there is a Windows XP portable edition you know,
it's very small about 100 mb +/-
May be...
But only may be,
One PDA ( may be ours )
will use windows XP
This is only an idea, may be dream...
But for only some fun.

I am using Windows 3.0 with a Dosbox port for Windows CE. It is actually quite functional and you do have a mouse!
I have not yet tried to install Win 3.1/95/98.
It is very usefull for DOS programs and games.
Cheers,
vma

Well, a quick google and sure enough....
http://www.pocketdos.com/screenshots_ppc.htm
http://www.pocketdaily.com/index.php/2006/10/22/freeware-dosboxppc-v063/
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/dosboxppc.shtml
I'm impressed! Monkey Island!

I'd love to try 98 on the BA...I recall someone posted about it a while ago...can't remember much about it...
EDIT: http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3660

EQUANCY said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_shift_umpc_revealed-news-262.php
Lets go to Windows XP to our PDA's
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What you see is just a theme on a WM6.
Take a look at this Official Demo -
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...43-9b9f-48c8-8195-1000d3398f3f&DisplayLang=en

actually its real vista on a umpc

In theory XP is possible to run on Blueangel and Himalaya (reason: 128 mb ram, 400 MHz CPU), but i dont think that there are drivers and kernel compiled for our devices which are XP compatible.

Really?
This is a good news dude.
Yeah I guess too that is possible.
But we need some drivers about input devices ( mouse, keyboard )
It's not only problem,
We need Wireless drivers too.
And But may be...
If can anyone port BartPE solution to BA, yeah I think that is a day light about XP?
I think processor and mainbord not so much problem for BartPE.
I mean, may we don't need so much space...
Only drivers, necessary main system files and boot files, ( it's about 32 mb )
Really...
Because XP can install on which computer has 64 mb ram and 333 mhz processor,
Cuz,
BartPE can install every drivers to RAM, and BA has enough memory for that.
Now,
Other files (Such as dll's, sys files ) can manage from SD?
We don't need so much big drivers.
But I guess the big problem is.
HOW CAN WE CREATE A BOOT SECTOR ON BA'S FLASH MEMORY FOR BARTPE.
This is like a dead-end of revolution
Thanks...

I think you don't undersand what you are talking about.
Comparing 333MHz PC and 400 PocketPC is a wrong because they sport different architectures. You must first use emulator to emulate a x86 processor of PC. But then the power of 400MHz ARM will be sufficient to emulate something like 50MHz 386 or even less. Usually, emulators don't emulate only processor but the whole machine with all it's hardware.

Are you sure?
Arm, MIPS, XScale, strongarm etc..
These processor have smilar architecture with x86 based processors.
Do you know that?
Because they are 32 bit processors. they have integrated FPU and MPU units.
These processors not maded only for PDA's.
There is so much devices powered with them.
Now,
Important point is not processor architecture.
Because...
Linux and Windows maded with C and C+ software language.
BeOS too...
Now,
Windows CE too...
And at this time, Linux on PDA's a reallity and some people already uses Linux on their devices.
why not XP?
Why
Not?

Hi,
@Equancy: You are wrong.
When you say "emulation" you mean the replication of a CPU and other chips (graphics, sound, etc.) by software.
The phones discussed in this forum do NOT have an x86 compatible CPU.
Recompiling the whole OS for this architecture is NOT emulation and is not very usefull, either, as you would still not be able to run any application. You would need to recompile all applications, also. Forget that!
So far I managed to use MS-DOS (any release) and Windows 3.0 (still have a legal copy with full set of disks). Windows 3.1 won't work with Dosbox.
I have not yet tried Bochs for PocketPC: the Mamaich's links are dead and it is not an easy emulator to setup. On this emulator, Windows 95 is reported to work, though very slowly.
Other great emulatores for our phones:
- PocketUAE (AmigaOS emulator)
- Pocket vMac (MacIntosh emulator)
- PocketC64/Pocket Vice (C64 emulator)
- and the list goes on and on!
Cheers,
vma

I don't talking about any emulator!
Processor
Xscale, ARM, SIPH processors are based on 32 bit processing archtiecture,
There is a Portable PC with Samsung's SIPH processor running on 400 mhz with Windows media center.
Only a few differents,
1,5" mini HDD drive ( 20 gb )
DDR Ram ( 128 mb )
USB-input
But they are expansion hardwares,
I say again,
There is a lot of Linux operated PDA's.
Check These out:
http://pocketworkstation.org/
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?ContentId=2905
http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html
If linux can install on a pocketPC,
I think XP can install too...
If any body can make a boot sector on BA's flash rom for MsDOS may we will find a day-light in XP shadows
Note: I guess we have another problem,
XP cannot run on 16 bit fat sytems, media center too..
May be I'm wrong, may be these things are completely crazy claims.
But I see them as a "Hope"
Thanks.

Like Windows, Linux has many, many versions. In fact when most people say they have Linux on the PDA it's just a very basic stripped down and hacked version of an old kernal. It's impossibly to do this with Windows XP, as uses a completely diffrent kernal structure, is recoded specificly for newer machinces and is closed source so only microsoft can recode it.
Come to think of it, if Microsoft where to use an old kernal and recode it for smaller CPU's and strip it down, won't they end up with something like, err, Windows Mobile?

Interesting...
Like Windows, Linux has many, many versions.
Linux Kernels are same, shell's are different.
There is no LINUX VERSIONS, ( as you think as )
There is only Linux releases.
Every people make their own Linux Release,
Linux is a Public ( GNU ) licenced OS right?
If you know how to developping linux or writing software then you make your linux.
But that mean,
NEVER you make a new Linux.
You make a Release.
Windows and Linux are different yeah,
But every windows's core systems are smilar.
They are a step of development way.
Come to think of it, if Microsoft where to use an old kernal and recode it for smaller CPU's and strip it down, won't they end up with something like, err, Windows Mobile?
I don't want to write nothing about that...
Windows Mobile come from Windows CE technology,
What ever.
I MEAN NOT WINDOWS XP ON PDA COMPLETELY.
I MEAN A SMALLER AND CUTTED WINDOWS XP VERSION ON PDA,
DO YOU KNOW BARTPE?
I THINK BARTPE IS A KEY.
Thanks.

"DIB Driver" = better 2D performances ...

Hello,
I played, a few days ago, with "Pocket UAE" wich is an Amiga emulator.
In this emulator, you can choose your display "driver". When I tried the "DIB driver", I was very surprised about the quality of the scrollings ... There were no more "wave" effects, the scrolling was really nice and clean.
Of course, this emulator runs a bit slow on the Kaiser, but the "DIB driver" does not run slower than the default display driver.
I was wondering what is this "DIB driver", I've never seen it before (and it is a very old emulator...), and it seems to have a very good effect on my Kaiser (with the HTC 6.1 ROM).
Does anyone know what is this "DIB driver" ?
Maybe there can be a way to use it for other softwares (video reading may be great with it !).

well, google university informs me that "DIB" can mean...
Device-independent bitmap - This is an orphaned Windows image format. It stands for Device Independent Bitmap and was part of Microsoft's Great Plan for Windows 95; the DIB code in Win 95 is designed to simplify the creation of display drivers for new video cards by doing most of the grunt work in the operating system instead of in the driver. DIB never really took off.
Dual Independent Bus - architecture introduced in the Intel's Pentium II to connect the processor, memory, and L2 cache.
not sure how relevant it all is...

I also did a search on Google before posting this, but I didn't find anything relevant neither.

It's old but dunno if it helps...
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/graphics/DFB_vs_DIB.aspx

Thanks, but it's related to Windows. It may be the same thing for Windows Mobile but I don't know ... It's very strange that we can't find any information about this driver, it seems to be really working well on the Kaiser.

Would you consider to switch to Linux if Windows 8 dissapoint you

Microsoft next operating system for PC's will be Windows 8, something which I don't wanna go and use.
They use the metro interface and I don't see in anyway how this is suited for power users and pc in general, its looks more suited for an tablet.
So for me its an reason for not even wanna test Windows 8, I will skip it and if I didnt use Windows for playing CoD MW3 then I would switch for sure, because with Linux you have many choices in desktop inviroments, like KDE, GNOME, XFCE and others.
Where I do find KDE the best, there interface is modern and they keep improving and bug fixing.
Ofcourse we saw how Ubuntu suddenly introduced unity as standard user interface and dropped GNOME, but atleast you have choices. And not to forget Linux is lighter then Windows and does not need virus scanner.

You can turn off the metro interface in settings and go back to default windows style.

Then I have an Windows 7 look or what? But they still force the interface default onto you, as you say I need to switch to the default Windows style.

Yes, it'll look like Win7 with a couple of new features and such. You can download the Preview now and test it for yourself.

But Windows is an operating system you need pay for. Unless you buy an new notebook, why would you upgrade to Windows 8?
Yes I can test it? But like you say if I put off metro interface its Windows 7 with a couple more features, that is also reason why I consider to switch to Linux, if you have an Xbox 360 or PS3 for gaming then the gaming is not an problem.
I also feel performance with Linux is better, boot time is faster also, but I don't dare to switch because I have one app called QQ that I use to communicate and I already tested in an virtual machine how the video chat off webQQ 3.0 works, it will give receiver and link which you can see the person using webQQ.
I would switch if it wasnt for game part and this one app called QQ.

- QQ(Web)
- QQ for Linux
You can use WINE for gaming. You can check which games works with Wine here

Windows 8 has been written mainly with touchscreens in mind, hence the metro interface. If it's not a touchscreen device then you turn off metro and use it like standard Windows, but with new features. Personally, I don't see any difference between going from Windows 8 to Linux or going from Windows 7 to Linux. Basically, Windows to Linux is what we're talking about here and it's like asking if you prefer apples or oranges. I like both, but I don't have a favourite. I'd rather have both so I can pick and chose what suits at the time.

LordManhattan said:
- QQ(Web)
- QQ for Linux
You can use WINE for gaming. You can check which games works with Wine here
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Yes I check Wine database before I do something drastrical, because my GPU also needs https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee
So I know that wine can solve it, but in case off QQ and CoD MW3 it does not work. The Linux version off QQ only exists because the Chinese goverment putted pressure on Tecent to make an client for Linux.
Right now it doesn't even has an reason to exist, because using WebQQ 3.0 gives you more features then the Linux version, but I tested it and you can use video chat in WebQQ but your contact will get your video in an webbrowser, not in her or his QQ window.
So I tested it all before even installing Linux, because really I like KDE, but how are you going explain to your friends, sorry you need start using Skype with me because there is no good QQ client with proper video chat for Linux.
For OSX there is, so hackintosh is possible.

Both Windows and Linux are different platform and used for different purpose.
So its not like going to Linux, if Windows fails.
For something you need Linux, and for something you need Windows.
And for something you need Mac OSX too.

There you wrong in, all can be used as desktop operating system, the only difference is you probably use other apps for certain tasks.
So will you use iTunes for music on OSX, but in Linux you will use another app which offers same functionality.
Only thing what is still an fact is that Windows is better if you like use your pc for gaming, Linux does not have many games, osx is the same story but there are still more games for OSX then Linux.
I can name an list off app which you can use on all three.
Firefox
VMWare
Virtualbox
Skype
VLC
Chrome
Handbrake
Sabnzbd+
And for most Windows software you will find alternatives, but IM software can be sometimes an problem. Like Gimp is an alternative for photoshop and Gimp can also be used on Windows.
But its true that you will find some software not on Linux, but you can always use wine for trying the Windows software and wine is not an emulator.

DexterMorganNL said:
There you wrong in, all can be used as desktop operating system, the only difference is you probably use other apps for certain tasks.
So will you use iTunes for music on OSX, but in Linux you will use another app which offers same functionality.
Only thing what is still an fact is that Windows is better if you like use your pc for gaming, Linux does not have many games, osx is the same story but there are still more games for OSX then Linux.
I can name an list off app which you can use on all three.
Firefox
VMWare
Virtualbox
Skype
VLC
Chrome
Handbrake
Sabnzbd+
And for most Windows software you will find alternatives, but IM software can be sometimes an problem.
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The main things I use Windows for are:
Visual Studio
Sony Acid
Sony Sound Forge
Adobe Creative Suite
None of them have suitable alternatives on Linux - not even close. Some of them will partially function under Wine but that's not enough.
There is definitely the argument that you do need Windows for some things, but I can't think of any reason why I need Linux over it. (I do use both - I have my PC dual boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu 11.)

In fact, you can't avoid any OS's
For .NET programmers, there is no other choice than to use Windows.
For Android ROM/Kernel compiling, then Linux is mandatory.
For iPhone app development (XCode?) then I guess Mac is mandatory.

I'm no fan off dual booting, because I have expensive GB's ( SSD's ). But yes sadly on video editing there is not any powerfull program for Linux.
But there are some opensource video editors which I think are not bad, maybe you never heard off the one I'm to name now.
http://www.kdenlive.org/
Video editor for Linux, I think its very good, don't know how far it is now but last time I used it was good for editing video.
I made this AMV with it in 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjgixJc-rE8
But it depends, sometime you really need Windows or OSX ( Just use osx86 ), but most times the average user does not need it.

Maybe i'll reinstall windows 7 or buy a mac. because i'm not the biggest linuxfan..
Sent from my MK16i using xda premium

Since when do people pay for windows!! :O looololololololol
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kevin2516 said:
Since when do people pay for windows!! :O looololololololol
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I do indirect because you get an license for Windows 7 home premium if you buy an notebook. An notebook without Windows on it would be more expensive for sure.
Linux die hards would want it without this license and apply for a refund, but honestly this time I choose not to do that and keep the license because I use Windows 7 now.
I got an refund from dell for Windows 7 home premium, but I could use the license afterwards still.

I think I would switch back to Win 7 instead.

W7 is most likely going to be the next XP, as in there are likely to be companies demanding it's availability in 10 years time.
I support several companies which insist on XP.
Every few years I dabble with Linux and I've yet to be impressed.
I dual boot with Ubuntu 11.10 and it has many failings over Windows.
Take support for Exchange, previous versions used Evolution but 11.10 comes with Thunderbird. Evolution is only good if you're not running anything newer than Exchange 2003, so while I can use it to access my personal email on my 2003 server, I can't connect to work as they use Exchange 2010.
Just been round a friend's house today and he's moved onto Ubuntu at home because he has to deal with Windows all day at work. Discovered that even though the screen had timed out (PC hadn't been touched for a couple of hours) he was able to open a terminal session before the screen then dimmed and locked, so great security there.

The title of this thread shouldn't be a question, it should be a statement aimed to persuade.

xaccers said:
W7 is most likely going to be the next XP, as in there are likely to be companies demanding it's availability in 10 years time.
I support several companies which insist on XP.
Every few years I dabble with Linux and I've yet to be impressed.
I dual boot with Ubuntu 11.10 and it has many failings over Windows.
Take support for Exchange, previous versions used Evolution but 11.10 comes with Thunderbird. Evolution is only good if you're not running anything newer than Exchange 2003, so while I can use it to access my personal email on my 2003 server, I can't connect to work as they use Exchange 2010.
Just been round a friend's house today and he's moved onto Ubuntu at home because he has to deal with Windows all day at work. Discovered that even though the screen had timed out (PC hadn't been touched for a couple of hours) he was able to open a terminal session before the screen then dimmed and locked, so great security there.
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Exchange is something from Windows, ofcourse you have an chance with trouble if you use exchange on an non windows operating system.

Run Windows 8 / Win 10 on my Nokia phone on an external monitor

Hi! I am constantly in need to use my laptop but I cannot carry it anywhere. So I thought what if it is possible to install and run Win 8/Win10 on my android phone (without of course removing or tampering too much with the stock OS, so that I can do some work on an external monitor?
1st of all lets see if the hardware can support this:
1) Does the Nokia 7 plus support HDMI through its USB port?
2) Does the Nokia 7 plus support HDMI over WiFi? If not can we use 3rd party app to send display through WiFi?
3) The Nokia 7 plus supports up to 256 GB of microSD storage capacity, so we have plenty of space to run Windows.
4)The CPU: What do you think, can this CPU run Win 8/10 and make simple tasks like text editing? PDF work? Spreadsheet work? Etc etc?
Thanx to all willing to answer these questions!

Lol

Why do you SPAM if you don;t have anything to say???
Some Ubuntu/Linux made an HYBRID OS that could turn your Smartphone into a DESKTOP PC by simply connecting an external monitor and mouse/keyboard
Then Nokia phones running Windows OS for phones had the same ability!
I have a vanilla clean Android device and I want to install/run Windows OS somehow parallel to it so I can take my phone out of my pocket and access my windows programs when in need (spreadsheets for examples and do work).
I know that there are some EMULATORS but I prefer something better than that.
Thank you!

contractubex said:
Why do you SPAM if you don;t have anything to say???
Some Ubuntu/Linux made an HYBRID OS that could turn your Smartphone into a DESKTOP PC by simply connecting an external monitor and mouse/keyboard
Then Nokia phones running Windows OS for phones had the same ability!
I have a vanilla clean Android device and I want to install/run Windows OS somehow parallel to it so I can take my phone out of my pocket and access my windows programs when in need (spreadsheets for examples and do work).
I know that there are some EMULATORS but I prefer something better than that.
Thank you!
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It's impossible even unlock the bootloader (in a simple and free way) or install a custom rom...

Once again, lol. It's x86 architecture vs arm. Windows doesn't have full arm support. Also, thermally your phone will die trying to run windows. It's a really badly optimized os. I would have figured that lol would have been a precise enough answer to tell you that it's not possible.

Nobody ever attempted to do what you want to achieve.
Samsung Dex also runs in the Android System.
Linux can be compiled to run on Arm, Windows is still pending.
If you are in need for a small windows machine, buy GPD Pocket or migrate your workflow in Google docs and use the apps to edit your documents.

contractubex said:
Some Ubuntu/Linux made an HYBRID OS that could turn your Smartphone into a DESKTOP PC by simply connecting an external monitor and mouse/keyboard
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But is "simple" difference, both Android and GNU/Linux use Linux as kernel, then if you run GNU/Linux on top of Android, then use same/running kernel.
contractubex said:
Then Nokia phones running Windows OS for phones had the same ability!
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This is too something else, Windows 10 Mobile OS has/had similar NT kernel/libraries as Windows 10, anyway this not run x86 application and too not arm native applications, but ONLY modern/metro apps, and need adapting app for running on big screen...
contractubex said:
I have a vanilla clean Android device and I want to install/run Windows OS somehow parallel to it so I can take my phone out of my pocket and access my windows programs when in need (spreadsheets for examples and do work).
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you want to run two DIFFERENT OS with DIFFERENT KERNEL and DIFFERENT LIBRARY and both native, without emulation, this is impossible, until some (Microsoft, or some reverse engineerings, or WINE developers or.. ) make (wtih BIG work and MANTIME) some kernel/library translation layer...

Guys, why do you reject stuff that I have seen working years ago?
youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY
ok I found the video, check for yourself! ^^^
OK thanx for the info, I wil lwait some time until someone releases this for later version of Android....
and btw they ran this OS in 2012..now its 2019....

contractubex said:
youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY
ok I found the video, check for yourself! ^^^
OK thanx for the info, I wil lwait some time until someone releases this for later version of Android....
and btw they ran this OS in 2012..now its 2019....
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on video is NOT Android, but UbuntuPhone, this is GNU/Linux OS with multiUI=for_small&for_big screen, and with some "libraries" same as on reguler GNU/Linux desktop, then is possible run native GNU/Linux (for ARM) applications...
again, Windows is different OS, with different kernel and different libraries, then is imposible run it without emulation on top of any Android (=with Linux kernel)...
if you need full desktop on external monitor connected to phone with Android, with "full" speed without emulation, then only way is run Linux distro in chroot...

windows is closed software, runs on x86/64 cpu architecture, even if someone really wanted to do this, it's not possible.
ubuntu unity worked because a) open source and b) based on linux, just like android.
no, nokia 7 plus doesnt support hdmi at all. yes, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Is it possible this is a wind up / trolling.