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Run Win95 or Win98 on your BA

Talk about Pocket PC becoming more powerful
This was made possible by a Pocket PC port of Bochs, by Mamaich, who has also ported DosBox, a "program similar to Bochs but it's a lot faster and only emulates DOS". Sadly, the author tried and failed to get WarLords II working on both these versions, but I'm sure time will tell!
If you're keen to try this on your own Pocket PC, you'll need a minimum of a 256MB memory card (or stream the image over a wireless network) and you'll need a program like Nyditot Virtual Display to increase your screen resolution. Oh, yes, and you'll also need the emulator.
According to Miracle, what we really need now is for another developer to "pick this up and optimize it to get more speed, since Mamaich stated that he will not continue to work on this, but instead focus more on DosBox."
Given that this shows that a Pocket PC is easily powerful enough to run Windows 95 and 98 in an emulator, do you think that attention might shift from developing new Pocket PC games to trying to get the original PC games to work in emulators? While I played a few games in Pocket DOS, the lack of decent controls made enjoying them nearly impossible. On the other hand, a predominantly mouse based game might run quite happily, and allow everyone to enjoy it on the move.
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Instructions:
WIN95 on Pocket PC with BOCHS 2.1.1 in 30 STEPS
WIN95 and BOCHS on Windows
BOCHS Emulator Homepage
Another Informative Article about PPC/BOCHS and Emulation
Please note: I have not tried this myself. However i believe this to be true and working, since ppc are powerful these days. In saying so, i do not believe this emulator will run on my h6365...you probably need a descent processor speed, probably a minimum of something around 400mhz (i'm guessing)
This opens up a big portal to the ppc world, if win95 can be stable on ppc, all win95 programs can run within ppc...
I do not take any responsibility for damage to your ppc resulting from this post!
Procedure is complicated, you will need to have some knowledge of PPC to do it.
Please if anyone has manage to get it working tell us here! Any problems please post
Bochs for ppc emulator is attached at the bottom!

There are no Links!!!
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Dosbox...
Don't work under Windows Mobile 2005 version.
And may you install windows 98 or ( Someone had that tried )
But you will got:
Slow performance.
Hardware errors
No sound ( With some devices )
Video problem
more more.
This is an emulated and remaked Windows version, ( and only a rumour )
Becareful.
Thx.

EQUANCY said:
Don't work under Windows Mobile 2005 version.
And may you install windows 98 or ( Someone had that tried )
But you will got:
Slow performance.
Hardware errors
No sound ( With some devices )
Video problem
more more.
This is an emulated and remaked Windows version, ( and only a rumour )
Becareful.
Thx.
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That's Right

I have done this a long while ago back when I had an Asus A620. I got Win95 to boot in 4-5 minutes. No keyboard, no mouse, but it was interesting.

Really interesting, but only for Win98 retrò experience on my pda, not for other, this os (win98 or 95) is really unstable compared to today microsoft products...it is possible to run win nt or 2000 with same system or ntfs make trouble? just a little workstation, on the xda XD

Dos emulations doesn't support nt platforms.
DosBox a simple Msdos emulation system, like Virtual PC,
the emulation projects maded for simple operations with some hardware restrictions.
such as soundless or low graphics.
The FreeSCI project is one of them. That's amiga emulation platform, now it has been resembled for Windows Mobile based Pocket PC's,
but some games are running slow, someones don't work, soms goes error.
There is no stabilitation.
I suggest, don't try hardluck...
You may lose ur pda,
windows98 maybe run, but WindowsNT never can be.
PDA's are not as notebook and not much flexible.
If you have 800 mhz or higher mobile processor and 128 or 256 mb ddr ram. May you can try to (The pda's will use ddr technology nearly) play some basic windows games.
May be solitaire...
A good dream...
But we don't use miracle devices,
They're only PDA's...
And they have already OS's and games....
Am I wrong?
"DosBox will emulate Windows Vista in future..."
I wish that,
But that will never happen, like windows98 or NT.. (in short times, before 2080 )
THX.

EQUANCY said:
Am I wrong?
"DosBox will emulate Windows Vista in future..."
I wish that,
But that will never happen, like windows98 or NT.. (in short times, before 2080 )
THX.
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lol.not you are not wrong.i think maybe in the future....vista and his rootkits will run on my old C64

What do you think about this, guys...

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_shift_umpc_revealed-news-262.php
Lets go to Windows XP to our PDA's

Seems silly to mean, it has such a tiny screen for running a full copy of vista. Sure it has it's usage, but for me it's a full size laptop running full size windows or a small device running small windows. You can't have a small device running a large windows!
Wait, your not being serious are you?

I'v placed it for a while fun...
Yeah,
Only this,
But someones has been tried windows 98 on BlueAngel devices before 2 years ago, But no mouse, no sound soo much problems and silly bluescreen
Now,
there is a Windows XP portable edition you know,
it's very small about 100 mb +/-
May be...
But only may be,
One PDA ( may be ours )
will use windows XP
This is only an idea, may be dream...
But for only some fun.

I am using Windows 3.0 with a Dosbox port for Windows CE. It is actually quite functional and you do have a mouse!
I have not yet tried to install Win 3.1/95/98.
It is very usefull for DOS programs and games.
Cheers,
vma

Well, a quick google and sure enough....
http://www.pocketdos.com/screenshots_ppc.htm
http://www.pocketdaily.com/index.php/2006/10/22/freeware-dosboxppc-v063/
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/dosboxppc.shtml
I'm impressed! Monkey Island!

I'd love to try 98 on the BA...I recall someone posted about it a while ago...can't remember much about it...
EDIT: http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3660

EQUANCY said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_shift_umpc_revealed-news-262.php
Lets go to Windows XP to our PDA's
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What you see is just a theme on a WM6.
Take a look at this Official Demo -
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...43-9b9f-48c8-8195-1000d3398f3f&DisplayLang=en

actually its real vista on a umpc

In theory XP is possible to run on Blueangel and Himalaya (reason: 128 mb ram, 400 MHz CPU), but i dont think that there are drivers and kernel compiled for our devices which are XP compatible.

Really?
This is a good news dude.
Yeah I guess too that is possible.
But we need some drivers about input devices ( mouse, keyboard )
It's not only problem,
We need Wireless drivers too.
And But may be...
If can anyone port BartPE solution to BA, yeah I think that is a day light about XP?
I think processor and mainbord not so much problem for BartPE.
I mean, may we don't need so much space...
Only drivers, necessary main system files and boot files, ( it's about 32 mb )
Really...
Because XP can install on which computer has 64 mb ram and 333 mhz processor,
Cuz,
BartPE can install every drivers to RAM, and BA has enough memory for that.
Now,
Other files (Such as dll's, sys files ) can manage from SD?
We don't need so much big drivers.
But I guess the big problem is.
HOW CAN WE CREATE A BOOT SECTOR ON BA'S FLASH MEMORY FOR BARTPE.
This is like a dead-end of revolution
Thanks...

I think you don't undersand what you are talking about.
Comparing 333MHz PC and 400 PocketPC is a wrong because they sport different architectures. You must first use emulator to emulate a x86 processor of PC. But then the power of 400MHz ARM will be sufficient to emulate something like 50MHz 386 or even less. Usually, emulators don't emulate only processor but the whole machine with all it's hardware.

Are you sure?
Arm, MIPS, XScale, strongarm etc..
These processor have smilar architecture with x86 based processors.
Do you know that?
Because they are 32 bit processors. they have integrated FPU and MPU units.
These processors not maded only for PDA's.
There is so much devices powered with them.
Now,
Important point is not processor architecture.
Because...
Linux and Windows maded with C and C+ software language.
BeOS too...
Now,
Windows CE too...
And at this time, Linux on PDA's a reallity and some people already uses Linux on their devices.
why not XP?
Why
Not?

Hi,
@Equancy: You are wrong.
When you say "emulation" you mean the replication of a CPU and other chips (graphics, sound, etc.) by software.
The phones discussed in this forum do NOT have an x86 compatible CPU.
Recompiling the whole OS for this architecture is NOT emulation and is not very usefull, either, as you would still not be able to run any application. You would need to recompile all applications, also. Forget that!
So far I managed to use MS-DOS (any release) and Windows 3.0 (still have a legal copy with full set of disks). Windows 3.1 won't work with Dosbox.
I have not yet tried Bochs for PocketPC: the Mamaich's links are dead and it is not an easy emulator to setup. On this emulator, Windows 95 is reported to work, though very slowly.
Other great emulatores for our phones:
- PocketUAE (AmigaOS emulator)
- Pocket vMac (MacIntosh emulator)
- PocketC64/Pocket Vice (C64 emulator)
- and the list goes on and on!
Cheers,
vma

I don't talking about any emulator!
Processor
Xscale, ARM, SIPH processors are based on 32 bit processing archtiecture,
There is a Portable PC with Samsung's SIPH processor running on 400 mhz with Windows media center.
Only a few differents,
1,5" mini HDD drive ( 20 gb )
DDR Ram ( 128 mb )
USB-input
But they are expansion hardwares,
I say again,
There is a lot of Linux operated PDA's.
Check These out:
http://pocketworkstation.org/
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?ContentId=2905
http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html
If linux can install on a pocketPC,
I think XP can install too...
If any body can make a boot sector on BA's flash rom for MsDOS may we will find a day-light in XP shadows
Note: I guess we have another problem,
XP cannot run on 16 bit fat sytems, media center too..
May be I'm wrong, may be these things are completely crazy claims.
But I see them as a "Hope"
Thanks.

Like Windows, Linux has many, many versions. In fact when most people say they have Linux on the PDA it's just a very basic stripped down and hacked version of an old kernal. It's impossibly to do this with Windows XP, as uses a completely diffrent kernal structure, is recoded specificly for newer machinces and is closed source so only microsoft can recode it.
Come to think of it, if Microsoft where to use an old kernal and recode it for smaller CPU's and strip it down, won't they end up with something like, err, Windows Mobile?

Interesting...
Like Windows, Linux has many, many versions.
Linux Kernels are same, shell's are different.
There is no LINUX VERSIONS, ( as you think as )
There is only Linux releases.
Every people make their own Linux Release,
Linux is a Public ( GNU ) licenced OS right?
If you know how to developping linux or writing software then you make your linux.
But that mean,
NEVER you make a new Linux.
You make a Release.
Windows and Linux are different yeah,
But every windows's core systems are smilar.
They are a step of development way.
Come to think of it, if Microsoft where to use an old kernal and recode it for smaller CPU's and strip it down, won't they end up with something like, err, Windows Mobile?
I don't want to write nothing about that...
Windows Mobile come from Windows CE technology,
What ever.
I MEAN NOT WINDOWS XP ON PDA COMPLETELY.
I MEAN A SMALLER AND CUTTED WINDOWS XP VERSION ON PDA,
DO YOU KNOW BARTPE?
I THINK BARTPE IS A KEY.
Thanks.

Microsoft Office 07 USB edition

i know this aint phone/PDA related but im at a loss to explain how this works.
i picked this up over the weekend via torrents thinking it would be full of viruses but turned out not only to be virus free but to work flawlessly.
did anyone else manage to get it? ive been able to run it on PCs running XP SP1 and XP SP2 both with a standard install of office 03.
the USB 07 seems to only load what it needs to into memory the really wierd part is it comes with 7 files with only one being 500 meg
MSTORE.EXE 21kb
EXCEL.EXE 35kb
WINWORD.EXE 53kb
OIS.EXE 36kb
POWERPNT.EXE 50kb
OFFDIAG.EXE 209kb
MSACCESS.EXE 531,148 kb
and yes ive done 2 virus scans with 2 different scanners LOL
any ideas?

Be interesting to see, i've found the torrent and am going to have a go this evening.
Perhaps its only the exe files that differ to a 2003 installation or is that far too simplistic a view?
Surely there have to be some features that don't work properly?

prehaps its a version that will work off a USB drive without being installed?
Imp

Office 2007 Basic lists its requirements as 1.5Gb HD Space, it would take a lot of work to thin this to 1/3 of the size and maintain functionality.
However....
I have tried this myself now, works on Vista Ultimate with office 2003 installed. Also ran it on XP sp2 with no office installed and also tried them both with no connection to the internet present and all apps ran fine.
Did you notice that it said powered by thinstall on startup.
Have a look at
http://www.thinstall.com/sales/pres...install.com/products/resources_get.php?aid=14
Appears that it is an up to date version of this.

I've just read and did a search around, there are definately some running wild in the net. Ok, even if they run nicely now, do you think there will be an expiry date on it making it invalid say .. tomorrow? anyway, i did a check on this 'thinstall' as well, it seems that they have OpenOffice in 100MB .. that's nice enough for me. I'm supporter of OpenOffice.

yeah i been using it for 3 days now with not many issues on serivce pack 2 XP. had a few funky errors but nothing that didnt occur more than once.
it has everything available even the million rows in excel and the few new formulas in excel and access.
its very nice if you cant use 07, microsoft should look at selling it on USB keys LOL!!
@ sparky yeah i did some googles and saw that one. was interesting that you tried it on a computer with no office on it, was talking with a friend who wanted to try that too.
still baffled by its size and power given the size of the proper version.
yeah open office is ok but its no office 07 with black interface LOL

Windows 95 using DOSBox

Hey does anyone had booted Win95 using dosbox? (the desktop edition)
If anyone knows how-to then please reply.
I need it for the future Win95-Niki booting.

go to development and hacking thread and do a search
i remember there was a thread for win 95 using bosch emulator

and yes it run very poorly and there is only enough mem to start stuff like paint and notepad

If you search on Google you will find about this, but I preffer to emulate a old 68k Macintosh with vMac

BUT Bochs (for PPC):
-is workin' slowly
-is buggy
-on mine Niki(WWE 6.1; R:1.58.16.27), when execute, nothing happens

if your looking to boot on pc i would try virtual pc.
unless you didnt want to use that?

Another very good VM is VirtualBox. And here is the link for Virtual PC.

But it must be DosBox, 'cuz it's avalaible for PPC

as are all the other suggestions people give
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362344&highlight=windows+xp

A WORD OF WARNING
you could use bochs to do it.
im trying to run win 95 on xda 2 but no luck yet.
so it might not work
flyboy

Humm. flyboyovyick2k9 gave you a very nice tip

A "Stripped to the bone" ISO of win7, a good idea?

I was wondering if anyones gone before me and done this and has any thoughts and ideas to share.
IF anyone is familiar with 7customizer, I was never clear now in it's v1.13 stage that it had any ability to remove crap like vlite to make a slimmed version of win7 suitable for the HTC SHIFT with as small HDD footprint and few running services as possible.
7customizer is new and seems limited but built for win7.
vlite is said to work well with win7 but is built for vista.
I have tried 7customizer and all i was able to do was make the installation of win7 unattended which is a real whop-di-do...
vlite for win7 i tried but and got the image from 2.3gb down to 1.2gb which is real nice but upon selecting regional settings in the first stage it then asked me for some drivers and showed a blank dialog box, i never got past this stage to chose which partition to install on and got stuck.
has someone perhaps done this successful with a saved vlite preset on what was saved and what got chucked?
is all this maybe to much trouble to go through for ultimately little gain?
Had a bit of difficulty sleeping last night so i got started on this project and spent some time thinking about it and i decided to ask you guys for help.

Tiny 7 is worth a look with an installation size of 2.6gb (on the hdd) but i couldnt get the touchscreen to work on it

tiny 7 is a program or a home made ISO of win7?
But the lack of touchscreen is a dealbreaker, you sure theres no hope?

Unless they decide to add it again, I tried the add/remove windows features with no luck.

I know there is a way to slim your Windows 7 but I have not tried. Please cked the following:
http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/windows-7/8441-how-slim-down-windows-7-a.html

Some progress ive tried vlite to copy tiny7 with no luck however ive found out that the driver is installing (the touchscreen shows up in HID's)
The problem is the lack of the TabletInputService which should be eaiser to port than the entire tablet pc components. The service points to
C:\Windows\System32\svchost.exe -k LocalSystemNetworkRestricted
If we could find a way to add this service to tiny7 we will have an iso that only takes up 2.4GB of hdd and flys on the HTC Shift.

premier69 said:
tiny 7 is a program or a home made ISO of win7?
But the lack of touchscreen is a dealbreaker, you sure theres no hope?
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Its a striped down version of 7, look it up on google