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Either that, or I have the best battery ever put in an 8125.
I'm using summiter's Cingular ROM, 2.17 I believe. I charged my phone fully at work, drove the 10 minutes or so home, got home and played with the 8125 for a bit, setting stuff up (Just got it today ), then spoke to Cingular for over 30 minutes of talk time about my girlfriend's account. It still shows 100% battery, even after a soft reset. Any ideas? I'd like to actually know when I'm running out of battery life...
I get the same thing with the 2.17 ROM.. it goes down after a while, but I thought it was just an improvement in the OS to get better battery life. The test rom would drop to 85% pretty quickly(within 30 minutes)
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I get the same thing with the 2.17 ROM.. it goes down after a while, but I thought it was just an improvement in the OS to get better battery life. The test rom would drop to 85% pretty quickly(within 30 minutes)
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Yeah, I left it on the wall charger last night, and it seems to be working normally now. I have no idea what fixed it, but whatever.
There is definitely something wrong with the battery meter and 2.17... I can use the phone on full brightness for a while, and it doesn't move from 100%.
RRRRRRight.
Then othertimes, it does drop...
Very weird!
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[conspiracy theory]Maybe the OEMs have made the battery curve non-linear so that it stays at a high value for a long time, then drops like crazy.[/conspiracy theory]
Actually, this is already the case with pre-AKU2 ROMs, but I don't think that's on purpose as much as that they're measuring linearly, while the battery drain due to its chemistry is not. If anything, they should compensate that to that things become linear
Anyway, if you want to check your battery's graph, get one of:
- Pocket Battery Analyzer: http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=10532
- Battery Monitor: http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=950
- Battery Timer: http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=2490
Edit: whoops - RhinoStats doesn't do battery graphs ( RhinoSoft: why the heck not? )
Ok so if you dont know the 8925 has probably the worst battery life of any HTC phones I have ever used. It was like they decided to put all the latest and greatest into a shell sexier than hell, then give it a old 8125 battery,
The 8125 had what a 1250mAh battery, so they give the 8925 a 1350mAh, makes no since. I am still use to my P990i having a 1500mAh battery and getting 7-9 hours of play time and a 10-18 day stand by time.
Are their any upgraded batteries out yet? if no I may just have to get a second battery and charger cause I cannot go the last 4 hours of my day without a phone. Oh and a car charger is out of the question. I swear those things were made by battery companies to kill you battery faster than shizzit.
Actually, I have found that after a few full charges and running the battery down to about 5% it lasts pretty good.
The first day I had it I had to charge it after about 4-5 hours. Now I am using it most of the day.
if I'm 3Ging and/or GPSing, it goes fast.
if i'm not doing those but doing anything else, it lasts a long time. Easily a whole day.
3G is a huge strain on battery life. Don't expect to get anywhere near the battery life you did with the 8125 if you are using 3G.
With my 8525 I would get 9 hours of battery life at the most (100%-0). With the Tilt, I have been getting about 12 hours of battery life with about the same amount of use.
I run WL push email all day and browse the web pretty heavily.
Make sure to condition your battery by running it all the way down to 0 before you recharge a few times.
I have been conditioning the hell out of my battery so far, 100% down to %5ish, 100 to 5 100 to 5, only charges it and gone through like 3 cycles so far. Hopefully I will see something soon
anyone know of any batteries out there yet? if no I will put an order in for another OEM HTC
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Just a note - conditioning a LiIon battery has zero affect on its charge capacity.
I'm getting between 8-10 hours of very active use and 10-16 hours of life when I'm not on the silly thing all the time. SPB Pocket Plus calculates my battery life at around 10-11 hours, and it's usually pretty good at estimating it once it's seen enough data.
Nevertheless, I can also attest to the fact that the battery life of my Kaiser is increasing. I'd say its about 25-30% better than when I first started using it a few weeks ago.
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Just a note - conditioning a LiIon battery has zero affect on its charge capacity.
I'm getting between 8-10 hours of very active use and 10-16 hours of life when I'm not on the silly thing all the time. SPB Pocket Plus calculates my battery life at around 10-11 hours, and it's usually pretty good at estimating it once it's seen enough data.
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Where do you see this feature in Pocket Plus?
I am hoping Slueth is right about the battery life increasing over time. Mine isn't a 4th of what the 8125 or 8525 was. The comments on 3G being a huge drain I can't agree with. The 8525 and 8125 had the same battery consumption and I could get a full day of regular usage on both.
I can say using the Kaiser rom over the at&t rom made a noticeable improvement.
I live in HSDPA nation [Bay Area]. My tilt gets pushed to limits everyday. I have mobile shell installed with weather update, push email and active sync through exchange server, use ICS with laptop on the go. I can get through the day with heavy use and the battery never falls below 40%. At 11:00PM last night, I had 75% left on my battery level indicator.
I would say it's about 20-30% better than Hermes' battery performance.
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I live in HSDPA nation [Bay Area]. My tilt gets pushed to limits everyday. I have mobile shell installed with weather update, push email and active sync through exchange server, use ICS with laptop on the go. I can get through the day with heavy use and the battery never falls below 40%. At 11:00PM last night, I had 75% left on my battery level indicator.
I would say it's about 20-30% better than Hermes' battery performance.
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That's AMAZING! I wish I could have spent 75% by then and still have 25% left. I use everything you mentioned too but I barely make it t 7 or 8 pm before my tilt turns off at 1% battery level so I have to stick it in the charger as soon as I get home from work at about 6'ish.
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Where do you see this feature in Pocket Plus?
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Add the battery meter to one of your tabs and look at the options for the meter by tap & hold - options. It allows you to set a fixed battery life or use a statistically estimated duration.
The comments on 3G being a huge drain I can't agree with. The 8525 and 8125 had the same battery consumption and I could get a full day of regular usage on both.
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It all depends on your actual data usage. If you aren't transmitting a lot of data, then the HDSPA usage won't have a significant effect because it isn't on all that frequently. If you do, you'll definitely notice a difference.
Mine was showing about 75% this morning and is now at 57% (5:30pm) - that is following three or four short phone calls, several web page downloads, several synchronisations via bluetooth and ten or fifteen minutes experimenting with the business card scanner.
I do agree with other comments here that battery life improves after several charge/discharge cycles. This Kaiser replaces my old Hermes - I think the battery life may not be quite as good, but it isn't vastly worse - trouble is that it has so many fun things to play with that you just do more with it! Just the GPS alone will draw that battery down if you use it too much - my hand-held Garmin can flatten a pair of high capacity AAs in less than 24 hours - and that is not powering a 3g transceiver and bluetooth at the same time.
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i must say, i have the case of not able to leave my phone in my pocket. I always have to have my phone out, turn on from sleep and do something with it. If I'm able to resist this temptation, my phone can last the whole day going down to 50%. If I'm messing around with it, then it could go below.
I noticed that Skype is a MAJOR draw on the battery.
When I had skype on and logged in, the USB charger could barely hold the charge even ... when I was also using GPS with Google maps the battery life was visibly going down.
After using the device more normally now I get quite decent battery life.
The real test will come when I fly cross country and read an ebook on it.
If i can resist the urge to play with the GPS i can get about 2 days out of mine, but my useage is pretty light. I am using Direct Push with my exchange server, and get about 15 emails a day. The TCP timeout on my firewall is set to 1 hour, so i think that helps too. I am using the black & blue comm manager with 3g option, and i leave 3g off(it switches between 3g and Edge all day at work, and i heard that can lower battery significantly). I only enable 3g if i tether, and even then 3g coverage in my area SUCKS! Verizon has EVDO everywhere here, at&t needs to get their ass in gear . Overall i'm happy with the battery life. I've setup a few PDA's for some of my users here so i wasn't expecting anything great (although our two blackjack users seem very happy with battery life).
Just placed an order for the 1600 mAh Tilt battery
Hi,
I was confused by the different batteries available for the Tilt at www.batteryupgrade.com , so at I e-mailed them this message,
Just found your site, and am interested in purchasing a battery for my ATT Tilt/HTC Kaiser however; when I looked at my battery it does say KAIS 160, but the P/N is 35H00086-00M, and not 35H00088-00M. The device is ATT Branded, and in the device info on the phone, model number just says Kaiser, not Kaiser120 etc. Is there any difference, what battery should I get?
they gave me this link-
http://www.batteryupgrade.com/product_detail.php?productId=75070772&searchphrase=htc%2520kaiser
Just waiting to see if it does help alot, if not, I'll at least have two batteries now! lol
Alemaker
Terrible so far... but i've only been through one charge cycle, almost. I topped off the out of the box battery. From there it's been plugged into the computer while i was adding w***z (i mean perfectly legal software). So I've never actually winded it down to 0.
Is it bad to keep topping it off like this?
The battery life i've been having probably wouldn't even last a day but i should probably go down to 5% before i charge it again and see if it improves.
My motto with this phone is "Who needs decent battery life if you've got GPS, a 3MP camera, an unbelievable library of third pary software, 3G, a fully qwerty keyboard, gorgeous touch screen, and tilting screen?"
Come on then... So we all know as to some people this will make or break selecting a rom..
Can you list your usage (lots of calls, internet, text etc) and how long the battery lasts for the roms.
If possible, can we list versions so we know the best for most recent version.
Battert drain is waaaaaaay to subjective in my opinion. Even after hard-resetting the same ROM the usage seems a little different sometimes. It also depends on the used radio version.
Usage Testing Idea
I agree that its very subjective.
But if there is someone out there with a spare Blackstone, and LOADS of spare time. They could write some scripts (Mort scrips? Not sure how they work.) that would just run on the spare phone and do 'stuff' to emulate usage. You could compare that to the 'no use' battery usage.
This is somewhat unrealistic though, since you would have to write a bunch of scripts. You would have to test the average battery drainage rate for each; WiFi, Data(3G, GPRS), Bluetooth, Just plain fooling around, ...etc. And this would have to be done for each ROM/Radio Combination... The scripts would have to run without interruption to guarantee accuracy. Then write a small equation you could drop your usage times into, to see how long the battery would last you. Or you could just rate each ROM/Radio Combo with a scale, to make it easier to read/understand. I would guess it would be limited (initially) to the top 5 ROMs and top 2 Radios, to save time. After that each Cooker could test his/her own ROM near release time, and just add the results to the list. That would drop the accuracy though using different phones.
You would just have to find a nice individual willing to spend weeks starting this project. (or multiple people, one to write scripts, one person to test each ROM/Radio Combo, one to take the results and do the calculations) Blah, Blah... I just saw this thread, and realized everyone asks this question and this 'scientific' approach just came to mind.
Ok...I am done... ;-)
Well compared t stock ROM, same usage i'd say Custom Rom's are ~30% hungrier i.e i get a day less of charge.
It's hard to say how long the battery use, all base on how to use, if only standby, all cooked ROM no much different.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_hd-2525.php
Battery Standard battery, Li-Ion 1350 mAh
Stand-by Up to 450 h
Talk time Up to 6 h 30 min
I'm getting expected battery life with most ROMs, the battery becomes depleted after 6.5-7.5 hours of mixed usage (some phone calls, some wi-fi, some GPS, some music, browsing, reading) with consumption at 150-180 mah on average. Usually that spans across 2 to 5 days, so as you can see my device is in standby often and consumes little power then.
You can use http://ae.inc.ru/uptime.php to measure the uptime of your device. If the battery level drops down to <10% in less than 6 hours of uptime, then either you are hammering your device with wi-fi constantly on, high backlight intensity or your device fails to enter power saving mode while in standby. The latter could be caused by the ROM or the software you have installed.
Hi there,
just a short question. I've update my Diamond to the naked version of the official 2.03 ROM (can be found around here) and the radio 1.09.something (that quad band radio with supposedly good battery life and gps reception).
After a clean hard reset I only installed powerguard to measure the drain as a reference (so I can compare what installations of some programs might do).
I was shocked to see that the drain was 167mA out of the box with 3G already disabled, no WiFi or anything running. Is that normal? The auto brightness kept the level at around 5/10.
I was able to bring it down to 64 by disableing auto brightness and lowering the level to 2/10.
When the brightness dimms completely I get 53mA.
Are those values that are normal for a Diamond? Those 60-70mA with lower brightness would at least give you some time to work with the device but at ~170mA the battery drains like nothing and would be flat in less then 8 hours (the 1340 battery that is). You don't work with the device constantly but the drain out of the box shocked my quite a bit.
Yes, thats our beloved Diamond alright.
Well, around 60-80mA are workable and much better than the close to 200mA out of the box. But I wonder where HTC got the claim for stanby usage from. Standby (with display off, just sleeping away there) my Diamond consumes 15mA. Using the standard 900mA battery would keep the Diamond on the net for 60hours. Using the 1340mA battery this increases somewhat to 90hours.
The official claims are in the 300+hour range though for phone standby times. That would mean that the drain would be as low as 3mA. Where on earth did HTC measure that???
The 1340mA battery should give me 2 days of Diamond before needing to charge (mainly standby, some data tranfer, little WiFi and GPS) and that's not much worse than my old Eten X500 was able to do with its 1500mA battery.
with extended battery and 3g off, i am able to get a weeks (7 days) worth of odd phone calls, a fairshare of txt messaging, a little bit of gprs, no gps. If i turn the 3g on the extended battery lasts around 3days with a fair bit of usage.
I think its just the phone, no matter what powersettings you have its just power hungry. I went through many different power settings, roms etc to finally find something not as hungry and what free'd up ram
Lets do some math here -> 7 days would mean roughly 160 hours. With the extended battery (we're talking about the 1340 one do we) you're average drain would have to be as low as 8-9mA - including the spikes when you do some work. I think that's highly unlikely given the fact that the diamond usually does never fall below 10mA just sitting there on standby. Usually I see values of 12-15mA during that state.
Doeing work once in a while and making some calls, I'd say my average would be around 30 giving me barely two days of usage.
I simply rely on the base 900mA battery as backup so far. It's light to carry around and when my 1340mA one is done I quickly change them and get another couple of good hours. At home I recharge both. Battery changing is done very quickly on the diamond and the rubberdized back of the 1340mA set holds the stock 900mA just as well (so I don't have to carry around two back covers). This way the 900mA stock one also gets trained and does not sit idle in the case degenerating over time.
And since the 1340s are relatively cheap atm (I paid 25 Euros for one including the back cover) I may end up simply getting another one of those. Those two and the stock would get me through the work week and on weekends it's recharging time.
I can't really remember how the old phones did it. My first mobiles would last two weeks on standby and my first Qtek would achieve 1 week. They did not have larger batteries did they?
The Diamond is not particularly power hungry though. I ran some test on the HP messenger (914C that was) of my coworker today and this one has a large battery (close to 1900mA as far as I remember) but struggles just as much to get through two days, maybe even more so then the Diamond as the 914C seems to drain even worse. And the oh-so-hip iPhone 3G (we have three guys at work with those) barely gets through a single day. Those poor souls always carry a charger. Guess modern devices are just hungry for electrons.
Another question is about the "training" of the battery. The usual consensus is that the battery need a couple of cycles to reach its potential. But who does this work mathematically/electronically? The drain values don't get lower as they are system depentend and the battery does not generate more capacity then the 900mA or 1340mA. So where does the extra runtime come from???
Some more observations...
1.) There has to be something wrong with the PowerGuard app. Either the measurements are rubbish or the Diamonds can fall into some sort of deep sleep when not used for a longer time that PowerGuard is not aware of.
I recharded my 1340mA yesterday morning (that was over ~40hours ago). I used it through two full working days now with normal usage for me (2-3 shorter phone calls a day, some download using Edge and some WiFi and some 15min of GPS each day). Now I'm at 40% battery. That would even get me a third day of usage like I need.
Not sure if the power drains measured by PowerGuard are higher than reality or if the Diamond goes into some sort of deep sleep when not used for a longer time with even lower drainage then the 12mA.
Whatever I'm quite happy to see that the 1340mA will give me two full days of heavy usage (for my standards) or three days of standard usage.
2.) The Diamond drain is relatively good compared to other devices. We did some more tests today at work and especially the HP models drain their battery much faster resulting in shorter life then the Diamond - and they have 1900mA batteries.
We did equal tasks on the devices and the "drop per task" on the Diamond was better then on comparable modern devices. Some older ones are way better though including older HTC models that some of us still use.
My battery life was fcuked: losing 40%-%50 overnight while it was inactive sitting on the nightstand.
(Factory reset did not help at all!)
Now after futzing with the WIFI setting, last night I lost only 5% total in 8 hours sleep time.
Furthermore battery read 18% remaining at 10:30 PM and still read 18% at 4:17 AM.
Now this is more like what my iPhone 6 gets while sleeping.
What seems to have fixed by battery woes.
I changed the (Advanced) WIFI frequency setting from Automatic to 5Ghz (which would not work at all) and then to 2.4 Ghz only.
As of today I have 87% remaining after 3 hours of casual use (after charging to 100%.) Previously (for the past week since installing Lollipop) I was losing about 25% per hour during casual usage - ridiculously bad battery life.
Hopefully this will work for someone other than myself. I had just listed this thing on Craigslist because I cannot use a phone with 4 hour battery life.
Good luck.
Just set it to the same WiFi setting, will get back with screens.
Thanks though, I have brought this phone recently and thought it was only me getting bad battery life :\ I've had to charge this phone more than I did my nexus 4. I brought it off someone after they had used it for 9 months.
mine
Mine loses 1 or 2% overnight with wifi left on. Luck of the draw i guess.
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Mine loses 1 or 2% overnight with wifi left on. Luck of the draw i guess.
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trsix, what wifi frequency is yours set to? And did you ever alter the freq. setting?
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My battery life was fcuked: losing 40%-%50 overnight while it was inactive sitting on the nightstand.
(Factory reset did not help at all!)
Now after futzing with the WIFI setting, last night I lost only 5% total in 8 hours sleep time.
Furthermore battery read 18% remaining at 10:30 PM and still read 18% at 4:17 AM.
Now this is more like what my iPhone 6 gets while sleeping.
What seems to have fixed by battery woes.
I changed the (Advanced) WIFI frequency setting from Automatic to 5Ghz (which would not work at all) and then to 2.4 Ghz only.
As of today I have 87% remaining after 3 hours of casual use (after charging to 100%.) Previously (for the past week since installing Lollipop) I was losing about 25% per hour during casual usage - ridiculously bad battery life.
Hopefully this will work for someone other than myself. I had just listed this thing on Craigslist because I cannot use a phone with 4 hour battery life.
Good luck.
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try setting it back to auto and see what happens. IE, try to replicate the issue and the fix.
For me, I went back to KK 4.4.4 factory image and took OTA seems to fix the wifi idle to just same as OP overnight (~5%). But after some use, it can drain quick but not as quick as I was on custom ROM (all kinds I tried).
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Furthermore battery read 18% remaining at 10:30 PM and still read 18% at 4:17 AM.
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This can happen when the phone is being moderately used before a longer idle period. The battery percentage will actually go up to compensate for the earlier usage estimation, giving the illusion of zero drop over night. It becomes clear after seeing the graph and the line going up only to drop down to the pre-idle level.
Kind of annoying since I'd like to see how much was actually lost over night. Just something that happens with the estimation process that is our battery level.
I recently switched from 2.4Ghz only back to Auto mode as it seems the WiFi speed drop issues are no longer present on my particular home network. No battery drain or issues yet but I will keep a close eye on it. Thanks for sharing.
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This can happen when the phone is being moderately used before a longer idle period. The battery percentage will actually go up to compensate for the earlier usage estimation, giving the illusion of zero drop over night. It becomes clear after seeing the graph and the line going up only to drop down to the pre-idle level.
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I think your statement is true, as I noticed that with OTA updates, my idle over night is very low. However, upon using the phone the battery immediately starting to report drastic drop in percentage number. I mean this is cruel as in it gives us a false sense of battery consumption over all lol.
I will try it thanks
I'm going to give this a try. I've been using an app to turn wifi off when asleep but am still getting higher drain on wifi with the screen on than should be. Will report back after a day or two.
Personally I don't think they fixed the wifi miscellaneous drain and just hid it in the usage stats. My battery life has never been the same since the final dev preview. Luckily I'm always near a charger.
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I think your statement is true, as I noticed that with OTA updates, my idle over night is very low. However, upon using the phone the battery immediately starting to report drastic drop in percentage number. I mean this is cruel as in it gives us a false sense of battery consumption over all lol.
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Did you guys read the entire OP?
I have had an overall drastic improvement in battery life - not merely during idle time
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Did you guys read the entire OP?
I have had an overall drastic improvement in battery life - not merely during idle time
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Right, I did read the OP and actually did make the same adjustments. However, I didn't see any improvements on my KK 4.4.4 upgraded to L via OTA in terms of idling overnight. My idle stats are very good even prior to the adjustment mentioned and same post adjustments. However, the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.
I think it is varies wildly for each user and their phone.
" the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.”
Indeed, this is another issue with this phone. Battery is too freaking small.
At this point i am back on my iPhone 6. iOS is a bit rigid for my taste, but the thing is fast, great screen, and runs two days on a charge, call quality is superior, louder speaker, etc!
Battery life is critical, yo.
ronnienyc said:
" the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.”
Indeed, this is another issue with this phone. Battery is too freaking small.
At this point i am back on my iPhone 6. iOS is a bit rigid for my taste, but the thing is fast, great screen, and runs two days on a charge, call quality is superior, louder speaker, etc!
Battery life is critical, yo.
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I feel ya, I tried a 5s and iOS 7 out for about 6 months because it looked nice. Had great battery life until I had to jailbreak it to get it to do what I wanted (which is stock/non root stuff on android) and apps from cydia rocked my battery ;-( then it was like why am I having to tweak the crap out of this phone to do simple things I want that shouldn't be a big deal in the first place? Finally just decided to come back to my N5 in the end.
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Right, I did read the OP and actually did make the same adjustments. However, I didn't see any improvements on my KK 4.4.4 upgraded to L via OTA in terms of idling overnight. My idle stats are very good even prior to the adjustment mentioned and same post adjustments. However, the freaking issue is when I started using the phone.
I think it is varies wildly for each user and their phone.
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This. I hate how much my battery drains when my screen is on. I'm convinced some of it is Lollipop though. I got a feeling it is also related to the memory leaks.
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Agreed about ios, but it is getting better. The notificatiins just got a lit better....little things are slowly improving.
Something that is GREAT on iOS now: voice to text is screaming fast now, and extremely accurate. I rarely type emails and texts now. No kidding!
I went back to 4.4.4 last night - as while the idle drain was fixed with these settings, the overall battery life while using the phone under LL is still relatively miserable.
4.4.4 seems a bit better...
Now I see that 5.0.1 is apparently being released in the next day or two...we shall see. So far the release notes say nothing about a battery fix.
On 4.4, I observed a massive reduction of WiFi wakelocks by setting static IPs in my home network. So if you have problems, give it a try.
is it possaible some app drain it in overnight?
Does no one else realise that a major OS update needs to "bed in" for a good few days? The battery life performance is a lot better on LP. I've an HTC desire 610 though and it goes days between charges. It's a 420 battery but 1/4 hd screen. You take your choice of features and find your phone/s