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Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
Hi,
Push Email (or "DirectPush" as Microsoft seem to call it) only works in conjuction with an Exchange server I'm afraid. It doesn't work with POP3 boxes.
There are probably some companies offering POP3-->Exchange services for people like yourself wanting push email who don't have Exchange (or there will likely be some) but I don't personally know of any at the moment.
DirectPush works by connecting to an HTTP server (Exchange) and keeping the connection open/idle until something changes then a ActiveSync is performed. The POP3 protocol simply doesn't have anything to allow you to keep it open without sending something constant to keep it alive which would seriously add up on the traffic.
thanks xanth
I'm actually gonna have an Exchange Server 2003 soon. I read that I need SP2 installed aswell
Where do I go from there then? ie configuring my k-jam.
Configuring the mobile devices themselves isn't particularly hard. When you set up the sync instead of syncing with Outlook you specify with an Exchange server and just follow the prompts. It seems to connect/realise DirectPush (SP2) is available and that's it. You configure the schedule... and away it goes.
I found setting up the server was the hardest part. Well not hard, just more time consuming. You'll want/need to create you own SSL certificate (which will need installing on the device) unless you're purchasing a commercial one and configure the IIS timeout value (I'm still experimenting with this one) and then finally actually turn on DirectPush from System Manager. I think that was pretty much it though. Configuring Exchange etc in the first place takes more time than setting up push.
I'll have a pop and let you know..... thanks
I am trying out a commercial hosted exchange service (www.utica.nl) now.
This works very wel, but it has a price too: 5.95 euro per month for the lite package/
Push Email works very good.
As an alternative I am thinking about setting up my own exchange server and having my company-email and calendar forwarded to that one.
What do you advise to run exchange 2003 SP2:
- Windows version / SP?
- Hardware
(I am on a 20Mb down / 2Mb up broadband connection wich allows me to run servers, so there is no issue)
Well you'll need Windows 2000 or 2003 standard server or higher (won't run on a non-server platform), but see this link for full requirements:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/evaluation/sysreqs/2003.mspx
I am curious though, how will you forward Calendar events (and contacts?) from one system to another please? I'm not sure I'll ever want to do that, but certainly sounds like something worth knowing!
Cheers!
What would the GPRS cost be to have this open/idle connection active all day and night. Would it send check data every few minutes?
I only ask as my contract talk plan gives me 100KB of data a month for free but after that I pay in chunks.
Thanks
Ben
Here's a paper you cna read...
Mines seems to use between 6kb and 9kb an hour when idle. I wouldn't take that as a rule, just my personal experience. Obviously it goes up a lot more when the actual emails come in!
Wow that's a fantastic guide! Should be put on a new post/stickied or something! Thanks for the files!
Xanth,
That's like 5.5MB a month without a single email going over!
Guess I wont be switching it on then.
Thanks for your reply.
Ben
Well it could just be down to me having flakey service or something and it reconnecting a lot (I haven't noticed that though), but the 6 to 9 kbytes was from running GPRS Monitor and running a report and looking at the overnight hours where I know I didn't get any emails for hours on end.
Router settings
The other thing that is going to make a difference would be the setting on the server. The longer the session can be kept open between the router and the phone the least amount of data that will need to be transfered. For example 15 minutes seems a common amount of time to keep the line openm, at the end of those 15 minutes your phone will initiated a new connection i.e. traffic. Obviously the more often it does this the more traffic generated and the more power needed.
Can i push task or agenda items which are located on the public folders?
scaseman said:
Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
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The reason you want push is to receive an e-mail sent to you IMMEDIATELY The problem I see with push mail is you can't really use forwarding between services because it adds delays that defeat the point of it. It is not essential to have Exchange but most current systems employ it
So you need to implement push using your current e-mail address and provider for best performance
For example if you use a specific e-mail address for all your mail that is what you need to access if you don't want to change your e-mail address
If your e-mail provider uses IMAP there is a solution. It started off fairly shakey but has got quite reliable - it's vgsmail (www.vgsmail.com\ppc)
It uses IMAP idle to connect to your current e-mail (assuming IMAP support) and WORKS
As said using this is the best way of avoiding changing e-mail address and low cost (just data costs) - uses 3or4MB a month just to work - but if you're using your pda for mail you need to be on a good tarriff --- say T-Mobile web'n'walk - soon to become ulimited.
It takes about 10-30 seconds from an e-mail being sent to my PDA notifying me --- all for a one off cost of $21
scaseman said:
Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
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The reason you want push is to receive an e-mail sent to you IMMEDIATELY The problem I see with push mail is you can't really use forwarding between services because it adds delays that defeat the point of it. It is not essential to have Exchange but most current systems employ it
So you need to implement push using your current e-mail address and provider for best performance
For example if you use a specific e-mail address for all your mail that is what you need to access if you don't want to change your e-mail address
If your e-mail provider uses IMAP there is a solution. It started off fairly shakey but has got quite reliable - it's vgsmail (www.vgsmail.com\ppc)
It uses IMAP idle to connect to your current e-mail (assuming IMAP support) and WORKS
As said using this is the best way of avoiding changing e-mail address and low cost (just data costs) - uses 3or4MB a month just to work - but if you're using your pda for mail you need to be on a good tarriff --- say T-Mobile web'n'walk - soon to become ulimited.
It takes about 10-30 seconds from an e-mail being sent to my PDA notifying me --- all for a one off cost of $21
My hosted exchange trial gave e my answer: not gonna work the way I want it. The trouble is with the forwarding of calendar events (that what i want it for).
So setting up my own server will not bring any relief either.
Waiting for my company to support push or me getting a business Blackberry subscription.
Good to try anyway.
does anybody has any experience with this vgsmail stuff?
my e-mail provider supports imap and I could live with a delay of 30sec....
hi, Guys
I am using O2 XDAII unit now, and I am going to push an email to the XDAII thru GPRS. I've seen you guys' discussion above, it really gives me a clue to do the further research.
hi, Edsurb, Re: "Waiting for my company to support push or me getting a business Blackberry subscription", does it mean there are 2 ways to push an email?
(1) We can set an MS Exchange Server 2003 then do some setting in both Exchange server side and the XDA unit, I wonder if the XDA unit can get the email thru GPRS once after the email is sent, how long will it be delayed, how much it costs, it seems it is a way that the XDA unit checks the Exchange server periodically while not a true push, right?
(2) To get a blackberry subscription. Is it a true push? Can a XDAII unit get a blackberry subscription from O2 network?
Thanks a lot for your help!!!
Hi!
I was wondering what kind of charges there are if I use
a) Microsoft Direct Push or
b) Vodafone Pop mail account using the GPRS connection?
I think that the Microsoft Exchange Server sends a signal to the phone when email arrives on the server, therefore only pay when receiving, sending and using the internet.
I am not sure how Vodafone's pop email would be different, except that I can choose only to check when I want, or set up a time interval.
On the Kaiser/TyTn II, I can see in the Comm Manager, the Microsoft Direct Push button, and beside it, Data Connection, I guess both should be activcated for Push Mail to work?
Yes, I know I can call Vodafones Customer Service.....
I am off to search more !! But any advice is appreciated!
Ofiaich
If you have a decent data package, and access to an exchange 12 server it cost you nada for the push option.
However you did say you on Voda, so data costs a small fortune........ but the crux is you only pay to send/recieve email using either, just with direct push it's 'live'
Hi the_ape !
thanks for your reply...
I will check costs and monitor for a couple of weeks.
Ofiaich
Does anyone know of any bugs/issues with Windows Mobile (or any specific rom issues, for that matter) that exist with attempting to use multiple IMAP accounts? I used one of Dutty's roms before, then Alex's rom (I believe), and I'm back to Dutty's and still have the same issue. I can only seem to get one IMAP send account to work. Basically, when I was on Alex's rom, only my work IMAP would work, Gmail wouldn't. Now that I've re-flashed to
Dutty's rom, I can't get my work to send messages (and I'm certain it worked on Alex's and Gmail wouldn't), but Gmail does work. Any ideas?
Has no one else had this issue? Is there a setting or something that I've missed? I've looked up and down the phone, but see nothing...
If you're looking for issues regarding sending email, you have to search for the SMTP protocol, not for IMAP. POP3 and IMAP are used to receive mail, SMTP to send.
Are you sure the SMTP server you are using is accessible through your internet connection (I mean like 3G, GPRS, EDGE, not WLAN)? Most likely this is where the problem is situated.
Gmail SMTP is accessible through a mobile connection, but most SMTP servers from ISPs are not.
Good luck!
Yeah I'm sure. On Alex's ROM my work email would send ok (which didn't actually use smtp.xxxx.com; instead mail.xxxx.com), but gmail wouldn't send anything (using smtp.gmail.com). But now back on Dutty's, my work account wont send, and Gmail will. Does that answer your question?
In a way it does.
I tried using different SMTP server just now, but one of em didn't work. It might be the exact same issue as you have, but I think my problem has got more to do with the SMTP server itself than the configuration.
Sorry
Basically my issue only exists in SENDING emails. I can receive emails from all accounts fine, but I haven't been able to get more than one IMAP account to be able to send. Anyone else familiar with this issue, or have encountered it as well?
att smtp
I use att and the only smtp that work is their smtp. Even though you can receive any pop, you can only send through them. That may your problem
But that can't be it either. I've gotten GMail's SMTP to work on my latest ROM...just can not get my work, which is just mail.xxx.com instead of SMTP, which doesn't make any sense since I've gotten it to work before; basically I've gotten each of them to work before, just not at the same time. Also while I was at work Friday, I had our IT manager pull up the email server log, and on "send/receive" it shows it me connecting, receiving, but when it comes to sending messages, nothing reaches the server; it's like something fails on the PPC's end before it reaches the server. And I've quadruple+ checked the address, so it can't be that either.
Nobody else know anything about this?
While I was looking for something else, I ran into this:
Q.How can I configure Exchange ActiveSync to support multiple SMTP domains?A.Exchange ActiveSync locates a user's mailbox by using the primary Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) address. However, if users have a different SMTP domain in their e-mail address, they cannot synchronize their mobile device with Exchange Server 2003. To address this issue, you must add a registry key to force Exchange ActiveSync to locate the user's mailbox by using a secondary SMTP addresses. For more information about how to configure Exchange ActiveSync to locate users' secondary e-mail addresses, see You receive an HTTP_500 error message when you synchronize your mobile device with Microsoft Exchange Server 2003.
Caution: Incorrectly editing the registry can cause serious problems that may require you to reinstall your operating system. Problems resulting from editing the registry incorrectly may not be able to be resolved. Before editing the registry, back up any valuable data.
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It might have nothing to do with your problem, but you might wanna give it a try. Follow the link in the quote.
Good luck
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Anyone here using Seven on their Tilt with the new ATT Rom?
I've been using it for about 2 weeks just fine with no problems whats so ever. Now since flashing my ROM I started having issues.
The two main ones are that messages are not getting marked as read back on the server side and that composed messages are not being sent.
Anyone else here seeing this?
I am running the official ATT WM6.1 ROM.
Thanks
David
It's 6.1 that's screwed it up.....
Yeah...I had the same issue, back when I flashed my first wm 6.1 rom...I don't believe the latest version of seven's mail client is officially approved for 6.1. I ended up getting a free account on mail2web and using the aggregator service they offer to push mail from my other accounts to my Tilt by way of Active Sync. It's turned out to be a much better option, and you can't beat free. I do miss the seven client though, it's a nice peice of software.
you can get a free account with mail2web at
http://live.mail2web.com
good luck.
mandaryn said:
Yeah...I had the same issue, back when I flashed my first wm 6.1 rom...I don't believe the latest version of seven's mail client is officially approved for 6.1. I ended up getting a free account on mail2web and using the aggregator service they offer to push mail from my other accounts to my Tilt by way of Active Sync. It's turned out to be a much better option, and you can't beat free. I do miss the seven client though, it's a nice peice of software.
you can get a free account with mail2web at
http://live.mail2web.com
good luck.
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Thanks.
I have access to an Exchange account but I use Gmail for my mail and like that Seven keeps it synced up where as Exchange doesn't.
I guess for now I am going to go back to Gmail/IMAP.
David
seven working fine for me, but i'm not using the latest at&t ROM (see my sig)
In the Seven forum they say that some of the 6.1 roms do not work properly and they hope the next version, due any time, will correct this.
texas said:
Thanks.
I have access to an Exchange account but I use Gmail for my mail and like that Seven keeps it synced up where as Exchange doesn't.
I guess for now I am going to go back to Gmail/IMAP.
David
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have you considered forwarding a copy or your gmail to your exchange account, although i appreciate the mails wont be synced with your gmail account
jfran said:
have you considered forwarding a copy or your gmail to your exchange account, although i appreciate the mails wont be synced with your gmail account
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I did that for a while but got tired of trying to keep of with mail of Exchange and the Gmail. I know I'm picky. <G>
Thanks
David
I just reinstalled Seven after upgrading to 6.1 (AT&T rom) and Seven is working fine for me.
It's working fine for me on both 6.1 and 6.5 now.
However, I don't know if you all know that when you setup an email account to SEVEN, your phone automatically sends an sms to an England number +447624802625, which will charge you an international sms. This will happen when you add one and every email account. Here is the confirmation from SEVEN:
abackholm - SEVEN's Site Admin said:
First of all, thanks for everyone supporting SEVEN in participating the beta program. Your efforts have continued to help our software reach higher quality and become more reliable. Sincerely, being a non-commercial offering that does not earn SEVEN a dime, we sometimes put you in a difficult spot: the setup is not necessarily optimized for the end user, but rather to maximize feedback and exposure SEVEN gets for various features and setup configurations.
In this case, we want to test the phone number validation using SMS.
(1) In production deployments we need user's phone number (instead of IMSI) to be able to send SMS triggers that wake up the client so that there is no need for always-on data connection - to conserve bandwidth and battery.
(2) In production deployments the SMS would be zero-rated, but that's unfortunately not an option in the beta program as operators are not participating with beta testing in their mind. In such deployments, there is no need for multiple SMS-to-HTTP gateway numbers, and thus our setup only supports using one at a time. As the beta program is global in nature, majority of users will always have to use an international number.
I apologize for inconvenience this causes. I realize that those who need to reinstall the client very frequently are especially vulnerable. However, I'd like to remind that participation in the beta program is entirely voluntary.
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And luckily some solution has been found:
Hi guys, the problem is over for me as I found a trick for this. There are two ways:
1. I just install and run SEVEN with an OUT-OF-MONEY SIM so that it could not send any international sms. I don't know if you have this in your country or not but here we have 2 different accounts for one SIM, the main account and the promotion account. With the promotion account we can use most of the sms, 3g, gprs, phone services but not international sms/calls and value-added services (like buying ringtones, games etc), and the main account covers those things. So I've tried a SIM without money in the main account and everything goes great though it could not send an international sms. When I put my other SIM in, it does not request me to activate Smile
2. I've tried to install and run SEVEN without a SIM, and turn the wifi on when I add emails. SEVEN requested me to input my phone number and I did it. Then when everything is done I just insert my SIM in, and everything worked fine, no more international sms.
Cheers!!!
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I can add that I have just disabled the phone connnection and connected via wifi when adding an account. This also works.
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You can find more information from here:
http://community.seven.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2749
I have searched all weekend for a solution to this with no luck.
I upgraded my TILT to the new official ROM.
I am using exchange server for my email.
When I am using the device or sometimes when I start to use it, a window is opened full screen with the title "Activesync." The form has a big empty rectangle in it.
I know the device is "syncing" however , i don't want it moving to the top of everything I am working on.
Is there a way to hide this function?
Thanks
If im not mistaking, there is a setting in kaiserTweak that allows you to do this
I have been through KaiserTweak and haven't found it.
Do you know which setting?
KD8DNS said:
If im not mistaking, there is a setting in kaiserTweak that allows you to do this
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yes, i would like to know as well...i have never seen this before
Well I discovered the cause of the window popup... This empty activesync dialog is actually an error received from the exchange server, specifically exchange server 2007.
There is a known BUG that Microsoft has been working for the last few months that occurs between WM6.1 and Exchange server 2007. If you mail from your phone on your exchange account, it will send the mail, however the mail remains in your PPC outbox that results in sending the mail again upon the next server sync. The mail never leaves your outbox - resulting in the error dialog, and the mail sending over and over - 26 times for me last night to a group of 20+ people.
I may have to downgrade my Tilt to WM6.0, unless I can find a magical way of deleting the email from the PPC outbox after it is sent....
thex said:
Well I discovered the cause of the window popup... This empty activesync dialog is actually an error received from the exchange server, specifically exchange server 2007.
There is a known BUG that Microsoft has been working for the last few months that occurs between WM6.1 and Exchange server 2007. If you mail from your phone on your exchange account, it will send the mail, however the mail remains in your PPC outbox that results in sending the mail again upon the next server sync. The mail never leaves your outbox - resulting in the error dialog, and the mail sending over and over - 26 times for me last night to a group of 20+ people.
I may have to downgrade my Tilt to WM6.0, unless I can find a magical way of deleting the email from the PPC outbox after it is sent....
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umm...are you sure about this, what about the people that have never used an exchange setup. or are you saying that by default, that the phone is trying to connect to an exchange server?
What I am trying to say is if you are using an exchange server for you email - as I do for work, then this bug occurs only for the OUTLOOK mail.
I have two yahoo accounts and one gmail account and I do not get this "stuck" sent mail in the outbox. Only in the OUTLOOK mail that communicates with the company exchange server.
Sorry for the confusion...
Well, I have to downgrade back to 6.0. Bummer! I was enjoying the battery life from the new radio in the ATT6.1 rom.
I sent one mail from my device, went straight to the OUTBOX to delete the mail - and during this 30 second time frame, it sent the mail 5 times!
Just a warning, if you are using exchange server 2007 - do NOT upgrade to 6.1. Sending mail is just broke.
I use WM 6.1 and ES 2007 without issue, never heard of this bug. Do you know anyone else at your job with the same issue?
another issue
hi i have another issue with AS and i cant seem to find anyone else with the same problem. while syncing music/videos with wmp11 on vista the connection is always lost about 1/4 the sync list. anyone know about this?
marty...
Yes I do. Someone just got a TILT for work that came with 6.1 already installed. He has the same issue with the email.
I have searched all weekend for a solution to this with no luck.
I upgraded my TILT to the new official ROM.
I am using exchange server for my email.
When I am using the device or sometimes when I start to use it, a window is opened full screen with the title "Activesync." The form has a big empty rectangle in it.
I know the device is "syncing" however , i don't want it moving to the top of everything I am working on.
Is there a way to hide this function?
Thanks
thex
I don't use exchange server myself but have you tried changing your schedule settings to sync manually. I beilve it's in activesync/menu/schedule
HBEAR,
Yes I have. I tried setting it to exclusive. Heck, I even mapped the PPT button to show the today screen to get by the popup.
The popup you are seeing is the error from exchange server. When you send mail from the exchange account, the mail will get stuck in the outbox and keep sending until you delete it yourself.
Our company is going to implement the Microsoft patch to fix this in the middle of October. I couldn't wait, so I downgraded back to 6.0. TF2D works great on it. However, now my battery drains fast again.
I looked through the forums to see what radio and SPL that could be flashed for a 6.0 rom but everything I found was for 6.1. So I am using the unbloated ATT rom.
Man i miss the 6.1 radio!