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New To Push Email - Please Help

Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman

Hi,
Push Email (or "DirectPush" as Microsoft seem to call it) only works in conjuction with an Exchange server I'm afraid. It doesn't work with POP3 boxes.
There are probably some companies offering POP3-->Exchange services for people like yourself wanting push email who don't have Exchange (or there will likely be some) but I don't personally know of any at the moment.
DirectPush works by connecting to an HTTP server (Exchange) and keeping the connection open/idle until something changes then a ActiveSync is performed. The POP3 protocol simply doesn't have anything to allow you to keep it open without sending something constant to keep it alive which would seriously add up on the traffic.

thanks xanth
I'm actually gonna have an Exchange Server 2003 soon. I read that I need SP2 installed aswell
Where do I go from there then? ie configuring my k-jam.

Configuring the mobile devices themselves isn't particularly hard. When you set up the sync instead of syncing with Outlook you specify with an Exchange server and just follow the prompts. It seems to connect/realise DirectPush (SP2) is available and that's it. You configure the schedule... and away it goes.
I found setting up the server was the hardest part. Well not hard, just more time consuming. You'll want/need to create you own SSL certificate (which will need installing on the device) unless you're purchasing a commercial one and configure the IIS timeout value (I'm still experimenting with this one) and then finally actually turn on DirectPush from System Manager. I think that was pretty much it though. Configuring Exchange etc in the first place takes more time than setting up push.

I'll have a pop and let you know..... thanks

I am trying out a commercial hosted exchange service (www.utica.nl) now.
This works very wel, but it has a price too: 5.95 euro per month for the lite package/
Push Email works very good.
As an alternative I am thinking about setting up my own exchange server and having my company-email and calendar forwarded to that one.
What do you advise to run exchange 2003 SP2:
- Windows version / SP?
- Hardware
(I am on a 20Mb down / 2Mb up broadband connection wich allows me to run servers, so there is no issue)

Well you'll need Windows 2000 or 2003 standard server or higher (won't run on a non-server platform), but see this link for full requirements:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/evaluation/sysreqs/2003.mspx
I am curious though, how will you forward Calendar events (and contacts?) from one system to another please? I'm not sure I'll ever want to do that, but certainly sounds like something worth knowing!
Cheers!

What would the GPRS cost be to have this open/idle connection active all day and night. Would it send check data every few minutes?
I only ask as my contract talk plan gives me 100KB of data a month for free but after that I pay in chunks.
Thanks
Ben

Here's a paper you cna read...

Mines seems to use between 6kb and 9kb an hour when idle. I wouldn't take that as a rule, just my personal experience. Obviously it goes up a lot more when the actual emails come in!

Wow that's a fantastic guide! Should be put on a new post/stickied or something! Thanks for the files!

Xanth,
That's like 5.5MB a month without a single email going over!
Guess I wont be switching it on then.
Thanks for your reply.
Ben

Well it could just be down to me having flakey service or something and it reconnecting a lot (I haven't noticed that though), but the 6 to 9 kbytes was from running GPRS Monitor and running a report and looking at the overnight hours where I know I didn't get any emails for hours on end.

Router settings
The other thing that is going to make a difference would be the setting on the server. The longer the session can be kept open between the router and the phone the least amount of data that will need to be transfered. For example 15 minutes seems a common amount of time to keep the line openm, at the end of those 15 minutes your phone will initiated a new connection i.e. traffic. Obviously the more often it does this the more traffic generated and the more power needed.

Can i push task or agenda items which are located on the public folders?

scaseman said:
Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
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The reason you want push is to receive an e-mail sent to you IMMEDIATELY The problem I see with push mail is you can't really use forwarding between services because it adds delays that defeat the point of it. It is not essential to have Exchange but most current systems employ it
So you need to implement push using your current e-mail address and provider for best performance
For example if you use a specific e-mail address for all your mail that is what you need to access if you don't want to change your e-mail address
If your e-mail provider uses IMAP there is a solution. It started off fairly shakey but has got quite reliable - it's vgsmail (www.vgsmail.com\ppc)
It uses IMAP idle to connect to your current e-mail (assuming IMAP support) and WORKS
As said using this is the best way of avoiding changing e-mail address and low cost (just data costs) - uses 3or4MB a month just to work - but if you're using your pda for mail you need to be on a good tarriff --- say T-Mobile web'n'walk - soon to become ulimited.
It takes about 10-30 seconds from an e-mail being sent to my PDA notifying me --- all for a one off cost of $21

scaseman said:
Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
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The reason you want push is to receive an e-mail sent to you IMMEDIATELY The problem I see with push mail is you can't really use forwarding between services because it adds delays that defeat the point of it. It is not essential to have Exchange but most current systems employ it
So you need to implement push using your current e-mail address and provider for best performance
For example if you use a specific e-mail address for all your mail that is what you need to access if you don't want to change your e-mail address
If your e-mail provider uses IMAP there is a solution. It started off fairly shakey but has got quite reliable - it's vgsmail (www.vgsmail.com\ppc)
It uses IMAP idle to connect to your current e-mail (assuming IMAP support) and WORKS
As said using this is the best way of avoiding changing e-mail address and low cost (just data costs) - uses 3or4MB a month just to work - but if you're using your pda for mail you need to be on a good tarriff --- say T-Mobile web'n'walk - soon to become ulimited.
It takes about 10-30 seconds from an e-mail being sent to my PDA notifying me --- all for a one off cost of $21

My hosted exchange trial gave e my answer: not gonna work the way I want it. The trouble is with the forwarding of calendar events (that what i want it for).
So setting up my own server will not bring any relief either.
Waiting for my company to support push or me getting a business Blackberry subscription.
Good to try anyway.

does anybody has any experience with this vgsmail stuff?
my e-mail provider supports imap and I could live with a delay of 30sec....

hi, Guys
I am using O2 XDAII unit now, and I am going to push an email to the XDAII thru GPRS. I've seen you guys' discussion above, it really gives me a clue to do the further research.
hi, Edsurb, Re: "Waiting for my company to support push or me getting a business Blackberry subscription", does it mean there are 2 ways to push an email?
(1) We can set an MS Exchange Server 2003 then do some setting in both Exchange server side and the XDA unit, I wonder if the XDA unit can get the email thru GPRS once after the email is sent, how long will it be delayed, how much it costs, it seems it is a way that the XDA unit checks the Exchange server periodically while not a true push, right?
(2) To get a blackberry subscription. Is it a true push? Can a XDAII unit get a blackberry subscription from O2 network?
Thanks a lot for your help!!!

WM6 HTML Email Question

First of thanks to all you guys for such an amazing forum, I really have learned a great deal from reading the posts.
That said, I'm running WM6 PV3 version on my MDA with push mail enabled from an exchange server (mail2web). I receive mail no problem but am unable to view HTML mail, I thought that was a feature of of WM6? I have a "Get HTML" under Menu/View, but it's grayed out - what gives? Anyone have any ideas or suggestions? Thanks all!

The Exchange server needs to be running Exchange 2007 for HTML on WM6.

mplep said:
The Exchange server needs to be running Exchange 2007 for HTML on WM6.
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That's what I figured. Thanks for saving me a great deal of aggravation in trying to fix WM6 when the issue is with the Exchange server.

mplep said:
The Exchange server needs to be running Exchange 2007 for HTML on WM6.
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Thank you, I was just getting ready to SEARCH all over creation. But your answer saved me a lot of time...

mail2web Exchange Servers
When will you upgrade to Microsoft Exchange 2007?
Answer: mail2web.com is planning to upgrade all customers from our current Exchange 2003 platform to the new Microsoft Exchange 2007 platform, after its release. All customers Business Exchange Professional customers will receive a free upgrade to Outlook 2007. Microsoft Exchange 2007 is expected to be released in early 2007. The timing of this upgrade is still to be determined and is in part dependant on the release date of Exchange 2007.
Source

anyone know of any services that offer exchange 2007 push mail. how about 4SmartPhone?

mplep said:
The Exchange server needs to be running Exchange 2007 for HTML on WM6.
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You should add it to the wiki
--M

grinny11 said:
anyone know of any services that offer exchange 2007 push mail. how about 4SmartPhone?
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they don't (so far) - I am using it - no HTML here...

thanks DoctorT
there is an article here
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2007Feb/lab20070207002377.htm
that suggests that their service does offer html email. i was about to sign up for it to try it out. i really want push html email.

grinny11 said:
thanks DoctorT
there is an article here
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2007Feb/lab20070207002377.htm
that suggests that their service does offer html email. i was about to sign up for it to try it out. i really want push html email.
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that's what I got from the support:
First mail:
According to that site and others that have tested WM6 on 4SmartPhone, if you are using a legitimate version of WM6 you get HTML email for ActiveSync. That feature does not require Exchange 2007.
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After telling them that this doesn't make sense I got a second mail:
We do not offer Exchange 2007 to our customers yet, and we know that some features of WM6 (like server-side mailbox search) do require Exchange 2007 to work.
However, HTML email does work on WM6 devices when used in conjunction with Exchange 2003 SP2, and that is what the people who reported did, using a normal 4SmartPhone account.
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4smartphone
I just tried the 4smartphone Pro service to see if it would work for me on WM6I would love to be able to get my HTML mail but I believe this really is a feature we will need to wait for Exchange 2007 to provide. Does anyone know a way to get HTML mail to work? I am using emoze right now and love the push mail,Calendar, tasks that it pushes through. I dont like leaving my computer on but its on most of the time anyway. If anyone has a better inexpensive solution I would love to hear it. Thanks to all in this forum I am just a big nooooob here and love all this stuff.

grinny11 said:
anyone know of any services that offer exchange 2007 push mail. how about 4SmartPhone?
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I ordered an account from this outfit today
http://www.itsolutionsnow.com
I will let you know how it works out.
I have been using mailstreet but I don't want to wait around for them to upgrade.
http://www.itsolutionsnow.com offers unlimited storage and wireless active sync for only $10 a month USD
Mailstreet is $13 a month for 100meg $4 a month for wireless active sync and $6 a month for an extra 100 meg

I got my new setup instructions very quickly from them and this guy billy was very helpful in setting up some special features for me.
It works great. I love the new outlook web access also. Setup was a snap. From my experience so far I would recomend this company.

Computer9Cowboy are you getting HTML mail through the service? I tried 1and1 and 4smartphone and could not get the HTML part to work on WM6. Please let me know if this works. Thanks,

cyrexpl said:
First of thanks to all you guys for such an amazing forum, I really have learned a great deal from reading the posts.
That said, I'm running WM6 PV3 version on my MDA with push mail enabled from an exchange server (mail2web). I receive mail no problem but am unable to view HTML mail, I thought that was a feature of of WM6? I have a "Get HTML" under Menu/View, but it's grayed out - what gives? Anyone have any ideas or suggestions? Thanks all!
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If you can live without push mail, POP3 already supports html email. It doesnt matter what server you use. I host my own email on a FreeBSD box here at home. I just have WM6 set to check mail every 15 minutes. I personally dont feel the need to know about email the split second it arrives, so POP3 works for me.

mickeyace said:
Computer9Cowboy are you getting HTML mail through the service? I tried 1and1 and 4smartphone and could not get the HTML part to work on WM6. Please let me know if this works. Thanks,
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Yes indeed ITSolutionsNow has Exchange 2007, I can do HTML Email, I can set flags on messages and I can do server side search from the device. Plus I merged my archive back in to my account because they support unlimited storage. I don't have to worry about staying under my limit or purchasing extra space.
d0ug said:
If you can live without push mail, POP3 already supports html email. It doesnt matter what server you use. I host my own email on a FreeBSD box here at home. I just have WM6 set to check mail every 15 minutes. I personally dont feel the need to know about email the split second it arrives, so POP3 works for me.
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Exchange is more than push email it is contacts and calendar also. If I add new info to a contact in outlook it is on my device in seconds. When I add a new date in my calendar on my device it is on my computer in seconds. The new ability to flag messages from the device is pretty useful also.

On a sidenote I've just heard back from mail2web that they are currently testing Exchange 2007 and that they should be going live with it in the summer.

computer9cowboy said:
Yes indeed ITSolutionsNow has Exchange 2007, I can do HTML Email, I can set flags on messages and I can do server side search from the device. Plus I merged my archive back in to my account because they support unlimited storage. I don't have to worry about staying under my limit or purchasing extra space.
Exchange is more than push email it is contacts and calendar also. If I add new info to a contact in outlook it is on my device in seconds. When I add a new date in my calendar on my device it is on my computer in seconds. The new ability to flag messages from the device is pretty useful also.
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I understand that. I guess it just all depends on how you are using your device. Those features are a lot more useful for a business environment. I use mine for personal use. As infrequently as I update my calendar and contacts, cable syncing is fine for that, and pop3 is adequate email for my uses.
I do understand the advantages of push mail and contacts/calendar syncing. I have a blackberry 7520 that I use for work, and as the exchange and BES server admin, I could easily setup push mail on my XDA, the only problem is I need use of the direct connect radio in the 7520, so for now I keep the 7520 for work use, and the XDA for personal use.

trapper said:
On a sidenote I've just heard back from mail2web that they are currently testing Exchange 2007 and that they should be going live with it in the summer.
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Yes Mailstreet says they will have it by June.
I have to say that IT Solutions Now is the best deal that I have seen for hosted exchange anywhere, Unlimited storage is huge.

DoctorT said:
that's what I got from the support:
According to that site and others that have tested WM6 on 4SmartPhone, if you are using a legitimate version of WM6 you get HTML email for ActiveSync. That feature does not require Exchange 2007.
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And this is why I'm leaving 4smartphone in 2 weeks when my yearly subscription is expired. I told them that I would like to have HTML email and they told me that they are not deploying 2007 for another 6 months. I'm a reseller for intermedia.net so I'm going to switch over to them.

Microsoft Exchange Server and Windows Mobile 6

Hi!
I am quite new to all this! I am searching and reading about Windows Mobile 6 Professional.
I would want to setup an account, in Mobile Outlook, that connects to the Microsoft Exchange Server.
If I use my PC or VAIO, I can acccess my account through a web based address but cannot successfully send Japanese langauge emails to Japanese mobile devices. Japanese PC/notebooks are OK.
But I can send and receive perfectly when using Outlook 2007 on my PC or VAIO...
This aspect is the most imprortant issue for me. Is it possible and easy ! To setup such an account in Mobile Outlook ?
I am also aware that using Vodafone to do this could also be very expensive and data charges would mount up.
Any advice appreciated.
Ofiaich

The issue is not your device. You have to make sure that the Exchange Server is setup for mobile access.
http://exchangeserver/oma or https://exchangeserver/oma
where exchangeserver is the name of your exchange server
See if you can access either of the above, that's the first step. If your server requires SSL certificate then you have to install that to your device (I keep a copy of the certificate on my SD card so when I hard reset or get a new device that's the first thing I install).
It requires a pretty close relationship with the Exchange Server IT guys (in my case I have my own exchange server). One option is to use a hosted exchange service.
Let me know if you need more specifics

thanks very much jcrompton!
I had a bit of a hard time setting up Outlook 2007 to connect to the Exchange Server because the university, where the server is ??, only had info for Outlook 2002, 2003. Some differences.
If I buy the TyTn II it will be my first experience with a Windows Mobile device. I will also want to put Japanese input etc on it !
Currently, I use a SE W950i with Japanese support but only accessing Vodafone email. Not good.....
I will also talk to the Exchange Server IT guys!
Any further advice would be appreciated because, some of the senior IT guys at the university often say that will only support what they feel is necessary. One even said, don't need to check emails using a mobile device ! Strange guy.....
Ofiaich

Yes it can really be a bit difficult if the IT guys are not willing participants. I had some difficulties even owning my own server.
I have a Microsoft MVP (Bob Lin) who helps me remotely with issues on the Exchange Server - he charges $95 per hour.
I would tell the IT guys that they may have an opportunity to learn somethings if they will be willing to work with you.
First make sure you can access /oma via the web and see if they require SSL to connect - that will tell you if they have OutlookMobileAccess already configured or not and whether you will need a certificate installed on your mobile device.

jcrompton!
thanks very much for your quick reply!
This morning, I got the usual comment from the university IT staff, we are not an internet providor, we do not support Palm, Windows Mobile.. etc...
I will push this further but I still cannot get them to support Japanese 'perfectly' on the university server !
but I have remembered I can set an rule in my account to forward email on to another account. So I could just use my Vodafone account!
Thanks for your time and help! I will battle on with this!
Ofiaich

If you decide to do the forwarding thing I think there is a guy out there who is allowing access to his exchange server as a free service - of course he takes donations. You could then just forward your email to that Exchange Server and then take advantage of the instant email abilities of your device.
The other option is a hosted Exchange Service but that's not free.
port88.org

jcrompton said:
If you decide to do the forwarding thing I think there is a guy out there who is allowing access to his exchange server as a free service - of course he takes donations. You could then just forward your email to that Exchange Server and then take advantage of the instant email abilities of your device.
The other option is a hosted Exchange Service but that's not free.
port88.org
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Try http://live.mail2web.com, it is a free hosted exchange service.

Thanks very much jcrompton and palmop !
My problem with a web based service is that Japanese is not supported well. I just registered at http://live.mail2web.com and sent some tests but some, but not all of the returned tests did not display Japanese, just a row of ????????
My way of accessing email at the moment, is to use my University Exchange server, but that does not send mail in Japanese to Japanese mobile phones and other mobile devices, but it does send correctly to PC's , for example Hotmail read on a PC.
My 100% successful way. is to use a small VAIO notebook VGN-TX51B and Outlook 2007. Occasionally I use a W950i as a modem, but often use WiFi or a LAN line.
Mail, in Japanese, to and from mobile devices, PC's and Mac's all are OK, but it is not always convenient to carry my VAIO around even though it is small
What I hoped to do with the TyTn-II was to setup an exchange account in Mobile Outlook, in the same way, as I did on my Desktop PC and VAIO.
But the university support staff are not forthcoming....
I do not have any experience of Windows Mobile 6 Professional! Time to search and read more !
Oh! I also know I would need to install a Japanese font and have read Asukal's information here, and at http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=171045&page=2 and also at http://www.ookii.org/software/japaneseinput/
Ofiaich

In general syncing with exchange is a breeze... if the server has been setup to work with mobile devices (you do not need to enter in the owa or oma extension listed above). If exchange has been setup to support mobile devices (which is likely the case) you don't even need your IT department
under comm manager click activesync, then menu, then configure server, enter in the exchange server address (not http you can find this from your outlook), put in username, pw and domain, check want you want to sync, schedule, and that is it your done. The only issue may run into is a secure certificate issue (very uncommon) if so just post and a solution will be provided.

aaronsmckee!
thanks very much for your help!
I have a new question,,,, does adding an exchange server account mean a continuous connection to the exchange server, and thus the potential of huge data charges ?
I actually haven't got a TyTn-II yet because I wanted to research about this and also Japanese support before buying one !
But I can understand what you are saying. I have setup Palms, Japanese OS VAIO and all sorts !
Just Windows Mobile is new to me!
I will check out the security certificate issue and post if there is a problem !
Now I will read about installing Japanese input etc!
Thanks very much !
Ofiaich !

ofiaich said:
additional qustion aaronsmckee!
thanks very much for your help!
I have a new question,,,, does adding an exchange server account mean a continuous connection to the exchange server, and thus the potential of huge data charges ?
I actually haven't got a TyTn-II yet because I wanted to research about this and also Japanese support before buying one !
But I can understand what you are saying. I have setup Palms, Japanese OS VAIO and all sorts !
Just Windows Mobile is new to me!
I will check out the security certificate issue and post if there is a problem !
Now I will read about installing Japanese input etc!
Thanks very much !
Ofiaich !
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I agree with the advice that you have gotten. You don't need to use owa oma extensions like I mentioned when setting up the Mobile Outlook but if you can succesfully navigate to them on the handheld browser (or any other browser for that matter that is an indication that Outlook Mobile Access has been setup on the Exchange Server). What I do KNOW is that if the IT department has not specifically set out to set up thier server to work with mobile active sync it will NOT work. It took quite a bit of work to get my server working with active sync! I agree the certificate is a whole differnt issue but I suspect that a University does have SSL connection to their server enabled which will require a certificate on your device!
You have the ability to set the Mobile device to connect to the server at intervals, manually , or "as items arrive" - the latter maintains a connection to the server so you have emails arrive on your device immediately.
I hope we are helping you.

Hi jcrompton!
Yes, everyone is very helpful here !!
What I need to do now, is to decide if the TyTn II is for me, because it might mean my VAIO does not get used. I use a W950i but the email via Vodafone often crashed as I input Japanese.
Next, I need to be clear about reading and inputting Japanese on the TyTn II
And then find the bEst place to buy it in the UK!
But yes, everyone is very helpful here !!
Ofiaich

Microsoft Direct Push vs Vodafone POP mail.

Hi!
I was wondering what kind of charges there are if I use
a) Microsoft Direct Push or
b) Vodafone Pop mail account using the GPRS connection?
I think that the Microsoft Exchange Server sends a signal to the phone when email arrives on the server, therefore only pay when receiving, sending and using the internet.
I am not sure how Vodafone's pop email would be different, except that I can choose only to check when I want, or set up a time interval.
On the Kaiser/TyTn II, I can see in the Comm Manager, the Microsoft Direct Push button, and beside it, Data Connection, I guess both should be activcated for Push Mail to work?
Yes, I know I can call Vodafones Customer Service.....
I am off to search more !! But any advice is appreciated!
Ofiaich

If you have a decent data package, and access to an exchange 12 server it cost you nada for the push option.
However you did say you on Voda, so data costs a small fortune........ but the crux is you only pay to send/recieve email using either, just with direct push it's 'live'

Hi the_ape !
thanks for your reply...
I will check costs and monitor for a couple of weeks.
Ofiaich

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