Tuma 1.5 any luck? - MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading

Any news about Tuma 1.5? we are all waiting in hope here.
Hey Tuatra, please take your time but make it quick :lol:
And Thanks a zillion for all the hard work.

khalilio said:
Hey Tuatra, please take your time but make it quick :lol:
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does that even make sense?
please lock this topic -.-

khalilio said:
Any news about Tuma 1.5? we are all waiting in hope here.
Hey Tuatra, please take your time but make it quick :lol:
And Thanks a zillion for all the hard work.
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Why not you pay his say USD1000 then maybe he might use full 8 hours a day working on the ROM.

that would equate his salary with holidays of course to roughly 300k a year?? wow i want that job... plus i would just buy a new phone and wait it out.. maybe even 2 new phones.. or something...

Actually I can understand the comments that have been showing up in the forum. I too can hardly wait for the 1.5 rom. I know Tuatara has been doing what can be done with limited resources.
The updates that Tuatara posts are good to hear. They seem to really get the people even more excited ( I am among them) to see what this next rom will really be able to do. I wish everyone could just relax, offer what assistance that can be offered, and just give Tuatara some space.
I am sure Tuatara has heard this many times.... but we all appreciate the time and thought you have put into the roms you have produced.

Or if you really can't wait buy one of these babys - http://europe.htc.com/products/tytn.php it's like sex turned into a phone. Although they don't come out till next month mind.

wschom said:
Actually I can understand the comments that have been showing up in the forum. I too can hardly wait for the 1.5 rom. I know Tuatara has been doing what can be done with limited resources.
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Yeah ... I want this next ROM myself! It sounds so good! ;-)
I've got AKU 1.1 working, and have a number of AKU 2.x elements in there (specifically the BT stack and other OS level updates), but I'm unable to merge in the AKU 2.x Push Email. This is because of the authentication system elements required, and these are unfortunately part of the boot XIP section, which (at present) I am still unable to update.
wschom said:
The updates that Tuatara posts are good to hear. They seem to really get the people even more excited ( I am among them) to see what this next rom will really be able to do. I wish everyone could just relax, offer what assistance that can be offered, and just give Tuatara some space.
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It's more "time" which I need. Finding the issues, debugging the fixes, making the patches, re-flashing the device, testing the whole device again and/or running it for some time on test (battery drain, WiFi dropouts, ActiveSync, etc.) all take time. Especially when you have to "wet, lather, rinse, and repeat" ... ad nauseum.
As soon as I get to an "Alpha" stage, this ROM is on the forums ... maybe tonight or tomorrow night will be a "late night ROM session" ... and I'll see how many bugs I can fix & then get the XDA community to give it a test. That'll be the best assistance I can ask for.
wschom said:
I am sure Tuatara has heard this many times.... but we all appreciate the time and thought you have put into the roms you have produced.
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Thanks ... this time I hope to make a robust "core" with TuMa v1.5, onto which any applications can then readily be installed. There will be no "extra" features automatically started - everything will be optional to enable - so that should make everyone happy.
Man ... I gotta get this ROM done. :?

and ladies and gentleman, we are now nearing the final lap...
guess i'm not the only one getting so excited by the minute... really do appreciate your passion in this one Tuatara too bad all i can do at this moment is hoist a bottle, but here's to you and to all the people working so hard, a toast with all my respect *clink*

i cant wait to try this new version of tuma 1.5
imatrix

I just can't stand without the new TuMa 1.5!!!
Hope it will be released soon... :roll:

News
Any news / update on Tuma 1.5?

It's done when it's done ..
Let the guy do what has do be done..
Must think of .. how can we be alive without Tuma 1.5
When it's ready it will be released, and then u will notice it in a Thread here ..
Take your time ...

MasterMerlin said:
It's done when it's done ..
Let the guy do what has do be done..
Must think of .. how can we be alive without Tuma 1.5
When it's ready it will be released, and then u will notice it in a Thread here ..
Take your time ...
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... and also, if there are any news or updates, Tuatara will also post something here or in the other threads... guys, how about giving him the space he needs, 1.5 will be released when its finished. look at his past posts, he wants it to be perfect, well that's passion talking let's just wait for him and not bug him about it. Peace, salaam...

i'm waiting patiently. if Tuatara wants it to be perfect before releasing it, then i'm willing to wait.
cheers!

Will Tuma 1.5 have the ramdisk that some of the other roms use? This ram disk seems to be a great idea as it's faster than the storage area and ideal for non-persistant data.

Ramdisk
I hope that any support for a ram disk is optional.
I sometimes run my phone all the way down, and what I like about WM5 is that all I have to do is set the clock and everything else is fine.
If there is anything that depends on a Ramdisk (and I like Ramdisks, my computer temp file all go to a ramdisk, etc) I would rather it not be anything of substance.

That's the point siemens. Only temporary files are placed on the ram disk, they get lost when you soft-reset as well. A big benefit of this is that they auto-cleanup due to this but the major benefit IIRC is that this memory space is much faster than storing the same files in ROM. This speeds up the device. From what I understand the ROM on the BA is quite slow compared to newer devices.

fraser said:
Will Tuma 1.5 have the ramdisk that some of the other roms use? This ram disk seems to be a great idea as it's faster than the storage area and ideal for non-persistant data.
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Yes ... 1.5 will have the RAMDisk present as well. I'm debating whether or not to reduce the size of the RamDisk - i.e. down to 16Mb instead of 32Mb - but I can't really see any reason to, since no applications I've tried have managed to use more than 64Mb of RAM anyways.
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I hope that any support for a ram disk is optional.
I sometimes run my phone all the way down, and what I like about WM5 is that all I have to do is set the clock and everything else is fine.
If there is anything that depends on a Ramdisk (and I like Ramdisks, my computer temp file all go to a ramdisk, etc) I would rather it not be anything of substance.
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The RamDisk won't be 'optional', since to achieve the speed improvements the OS makes extensive use of the RamDisk for all VOLATILE and TEMPORARY files it needs. While you CAN install applications onto the RamDisk, this in general is not the "best" idea, since if you run down your device you will lose those installed programs.
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That's the point siemens. Only temporary files are placed on the ram disk, they get lost when you soft-reset as well. A big benefit of this is that they auto-cleanup due to this but the major benefit IIRC is that this memory space is much faster than storing the same files in ROM. This speeds up the device. From what I understand the ROM on the BA is quite slow compared to newer devices.
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It makes a big difference in speed for sure. ROM is still slow on all devices ... especially when writing data. RAM is very fast in comparison, so it makes sense to put everything in there which isn't necessary to keep.
Anyways ... another update on TuMa v1.5 ...
It will be delayed again ... this is because my wife is now in the hospital and we're expecting our third child any moment now. While I will be at home following the birth, I'll be more often than not exhausted and tired from taking care of my other two kids 24/7 ... but who knows, I may find some time to get an Alpha together and release that.
Sorry guys ... no ROM yet ... family comes first.

hey congratulations Tuatara! do hope and pray that the delivery will be smooth.

Tuatara said:
Anyways ... another update on TuMa v1.5 ...
It will be delayed again ... this is because my wife is now in the hospital and we're expecting our third child any moment now. While I will be at home following the birth, I'll be more often than not exhausted and tired from taking care of my other two kids 24/7 ... but who knows, I may find some time to get an Alpha together and release that.
Sorry guys ... no ROM yet ... family comes first.
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Hi Tuatara,
It is a very good news.
Will you name your baby "Tuma"?
Just kidding.
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Related

Superstorage/clean Rom

Looking for the fastest, biggest storage, most stable ROM out there for the herald/wing.
want it to be almost like PANDORA NAKED ROM(in the hermes forum). Really looking forward for someone to create one or give me the link to it please.
Just want a rom that's completely clean without having excessive stuff.
Most Roms i see are all touch-it-related. not interested in that type of stuff because i think it's excessive. Not trying to sound rude though. just my opinion. Although i think it's fairly neat and a great creation.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=350450
... but basically all u have to do is look here for all available ROMs http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=358030
What ^he^ said.
There's not "true" bigstorage because of a limitation in the RUU flasher...
I'm researching a way around it but so far I haven't really found a way. My ROM is clean, though. And my kitchen will be released as soon (albeit MUCH smaller than originally planned) as I try to salvage what I can from the few backups I did in my external drive. (My pc burnt out.)
ivanmmj said:
What ^he^ said.
There's not "true" bigstorage because of a limitation in the RUU flasher...
I'm researching a way around it but so far I haven't really found a way. My ROM is clean, though. And my kitchen will be released as soon (albeit MUCH smaller than originally planned) as I try to salvage what I can from the few backups I did in my external drive. (My pc burnt out.)
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Yeah, how's that going? Recovered data? Much loss?
Kuuf said:
Yeah, how's that going? Recovered data? Much loss?
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All 3 harddrives are unrecoverable short of sending them to a recovery company. The disks won't even spin anymore.
My external drive had a few things so it's not a 100% data loss... more like a 95% data loss... and the motherboard went, too... so I'm gonna have to put my pennies together to build a new pc.
ivanmmj said:
All 3 harddrives are unrecoverable short of sending them to a recovery company. The disks won't even spin anymore.
My external drive had a few things so it's not a 100% data loss... more like a 95% data loss... and the motherboard went, too... so I'm gonna have to put my pennies together to build a new pc.
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recovery company -> you'll probably have to pay for that too?
Good luck with putting together pennies, I'm putting together euros myself for a new pc (only have an aged laptop).
I do much (underpaied) freelance work atm, it helps ...
Recovery companies are super expensive.. but I'll keep the drives for future recovery.
I'm also working on an aged laptop now. lol Unfortunately, I can't work on the ROM or many things while on it... well, I can through the external drive but it will be dog slow because of the slow as molasses usb that it has.
Appreciate it, but that's why I made this post.
I already looked at those ROMs and like I said...
Most of them are TOUCHIT ROMs.
I've seen and used ivanmmj's Beta Clean ROM, it's nice and all, but it's still in BETA and it's not cleaned and tweaked as i wanted it... it has HTC home plugin and some other stuff that i don't want on the device. plus there are some errors on running on the rom like the comm mgr button, wlan comm mgr and vibrate button not working but i managed to fix myself. Anways, good work ivanmmj and sorry to hear about your comp being fried...hope everything turns out all right.
If i'm sounding a bit demanding, i'm sorry, i was just wondering if there was a rom like this or not. and the quote:
someone's roms never fills a person's content unless they do it themselves.
Well, i'm not lazy and i'm actually VERY much interested in learning how to make a kitchen or at least learning how to make my own Rom. I've done it a few times, but the ROM file was already based off someone's elses rom.
If there's anyone willing to give me some tips or advice or want to help me learn, i'd take the offer in a hearbeat.
That's all i gotta say. sorry for the long post.
P.S. i already looked in the wiki...it's not thorough.
You'll never get one tweaked as you want it unless you cook it yourself. But, the HTC home plugin and other stuff on it is NOT on the final. The error with the com manager was fixed, the WLAN issue was fixed. The vibrate button was changed because the wing that I have DOES NOT have the vibrate like that. It has it on the keyboard, thus I never had something to work with in the first place.
I made a kitchen, but it's unreleased right now.

HI c_shekhar could u plz release the Kitchen of WM 6.1?

, so that with ur help, we can cook rom ourselves
Yes.
Kindly provide the kitchen.
I shall do that once the things get stabilezed. I am in the process of doing some more major changes in the module addresses to make the ROM still more faster.
The OS size is getting bigger & bigger and it was a big difficulty to accomodate this OS into 32 MB space. Thats why I personally feel that 6.1 is perhaps the end of the road. as far as hima is concerned.
So releasing the kitchen shall be a good idea once the dust settles.
But the donation coming in is really insignificant to sustain my energy. My docking station is conked off in the process of flashing and reflashing and reflashing for test purposes. and I am getting no support from the users. A sad state...
c_shekhar said:
I shall do that once the things get stabilezed. I am in the process of doing some more major changes in the module addresses to make the ROM still more faster.
But the donation coming in is really insignificant to sustain my energy. My docking station is conked off in the process of flashing and reflashing and reflashing for test purposes. and I am getting no support from the users. A sad state...
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Great new master c_shekhar.
I have donated for you already. Dont feel sad master. Others shall also donate I am confidant.

Should I get an HTC Touch Diamond?

I have read lots about the Diamond in the last couple of days with many conflicting views. But it seems like this site is full of tweaks that might actually improve the phone.
Can the users here tell me if they think I should get one and give just one reason why?
Thanks,
Jon
please read before you bother to post
this is asked all the time....
you need to take the time to read and make up your own mind
i am more than happy with my diamond
welcome to the forum
Same here happy as a dog with my Jewel.
I believe all my fellow Forum members are 100% happy of the powerful Jewel they own.
Trust us you wont be disappointed specially after a visit to the kitchen
Im happy with mine coming from a nokia n95, ok the diamond could do with a flash and a better battery.
Other than that its all good....
There are loads of posts about this dotted over the forum, granted they are a bit of a trek to find.
It all depends on what you want to use the phone for. For my needs its great. Plays music, cameras ok, the VGA screen is really really nice and I do actually like TouchFlo 3D.
Good luck with the searching, and hope you find the answers to help you decide.
And I have to say the Diamond is the best phone ive owned, and ive had a lot of mobiles and pdas in the past. Its mainly thanks to this forum for that. So many dedicated people. Thanks xda!
Part of the reason for me leaning towards the Diamond is the existence of this forum. When I found it, I thought to myself, "Wow! Loads of help at hand, regular ROM updates, tweaks, the lot!"
Currently I have an old Sony Ericsson K750i and the joystick barely works now, so it would be a big step up.
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Part of the reason for me leaning towards the Diamond is the existence of this forum. When I found it, I thought to myself, "Wow! Loads of help at hand, regular ROM updates, tweaks, the lot!"
Currently I have an old Sony Ericsson K750i and the joystick barely works now, so it would be a big step up.
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Well im sure it would better than the current SE phone. Heres some of the reasons why i love my diamond.
1. So many app / utils / tweaks available and very cheap to buy extra programs for it. (donations to developers are all good to!)
2. Activesyncing my phone to my pc, always been an easy task with Windows Mobile.
3. Being able to control my phone using my PC (MyMobiler - excellent little program)
4. The Small size of the phone, it really is very small! Easy to use one handed
5. Screen Quality - VGA, you wonder how you coped before!
6. Easy to transfer info to and from the phone - Activesync or Removable Drive (USB Flash drive)
7. GPS - Tomtom on your mobile, excellent! Works very well
8. 4GB Storage - Plenty of space for what i need.
There are tons more! Post would be the longest on here if i kept on talking! hehe!
Here's my 2 cents. Got my Diamond yesterday, loved it, it look so wonderful. Just bear in mind that I am coming from a Trinity with a fast ROM.
I started to play around with the phone for awhile and took me back to when Winduhs released that beta testing Vista. It looked nice and pretty but it was a pain to use after you've been using XP for a while.
Regardless of what i just said, i love the Diamond and I might keep it. It makes my Trinity looks like a monster but it lags too much as it is.
If support and constant updates/improvements is what you're looking for, you've found the right phone. This forum is above and beyond any community I've ever seen when it comes to tweaks, ROMs, and any sort of improvement you could possibly make to your device. Just make sure to read all directions and pay attention closely, a lot of these things can turn your beautiful Diamond into a $700 brick.
Mainly because it's a tool which simplifies my work/life...not a mere toy to be shown on saturday evening (any reference is casual )
But in any case those are all personal opinions, I think you should make your own considerations and evalutions of a product before to buy that or another.
Be a subject talking about an object, not viceversa
Got mine last Thursday on Vodafone... it was nice, but a little laggy, then I updated it with a cooked ROM (swiftBL I think it was) and its a little beast now! Best phone ever!
Trying to get TomTom 7 on it at the mo.
For my first WinMo (coming from a Motorola KRZR) its just superb! And with a little READING the instructions, its pretty easy to update the ROM, add apps etc...
Get one and never look back!
Please don't be a fanboy!
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And with a little READING the instructions, its pretty easy to update the ROM, add apps etc...
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Someone who reads the directions and finds it easy to do, without asking 500 times how to flash a ROM?
Edited to maintain my reputation of not being gay. Hah.
Jon12345 said:
I have read lots about the Diamond in the last couple of days with many conflicting views. But it seems like this site is full of tweaks that might actually improve the phone.
Can the users here tell me if they think I should get one and give just one reason why?
Thanks,
Jon
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If you have no problem to spend some extra money in missed calls, in general is a good toy.
THERE IS A UNSOLVED BUG WITH THE PHONE ON SCEEN BUTTONS. Every time when you receive a call and put it out of the pouch you answer or loose the call automatically. This is a bull****.
Just use the Diamond tweak tool thingy and I can see vast improvements already, you guys don't mess around huh? I want my diamond to perform, i have a bad habit of using my phone while driving, which is a bit hard to do on a touchscreen. I think my Diamond is almost there.
I really don't want to flash this puppy, kinda scared of ruin my warranty.
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I really don't want to flash this puppy, kinda scared of ruin my warranty.
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Just be cautious in whatever you do, and make sure you don't brick it... Whatever you do, as long as it's done correctly, can be reversed later on. Original SPL, original ROM, 100% warranty okay. But hey, if you're happy with the performance now, leave well enough alone. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Thanks for the heads up, I figured that if everyone is trying to get a diamond ROM why should I do anything, except for tweaking it of course.
I was surprised to see that the ROM I have on my Trinity isn't the same as the real thing. It works, and works well and that is all that matters.

Flashoholics Anonymous

Hello, my name is Ammi and I'm a flashoholic
I flashed my phone three times this week and I couldn't stop myself.
Just stood there and saw my phone get flashed time and time again.
Even found a handy little script which made the flashing so much easier
It made me flash without guilt;
"No harm done" I would say
"Just takes a few minutes" I would knowingly lie to myself,
fully aware that I would stay awake that night tweaking and customizing
I always think the next flash will be my last,
will this finally quench my thirst for a smooth flowing, fast pacing, beautiful looking customizable ROM?
"NO"
Just doesn't feel right..
I want to help others that suffer from the same condition as me.
Let us join forces and let our stories be heared!
I'll start by attaching the file that saved me precious time.
Just put all your cabs you normally install after a flash in the MyCab folder
and start the script.
It utilizes Mortscript to install your cabs silently.
You put the cabs that need prompts in the folder Cab.
The cabs that don't need prompts are put in MyCab.
It will not launch after every soft reset
It will, however, launch after reentering your SDcard.
And by launch, I mean a pop-up asking to begin or not.
I highly recommend it!
It installs everything silently and smoothly
As I got in my signature... I've changed too many times LOOL... just like you I'm not completely satisfied so I change it again and again... waiting for the best... That's just in one of my phones, the other one is stable with Generic R2A... happy, but with this i'm experimenting greatness
thanks i'll have to try it next time I flash
Since you flashed so much, what's the best WM 6.5 rom around currently?
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Since you flashed so much, what's the best WM 6.5 rom around currently?
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Hello my name is Sedale, and i'm also a flashoholic....
i've switched flashes on my phone a little over 11 times thus far for this week(including the twice i did today) and i think "Valkyrie V1 finale" by agent 47 is the best and fastest rom out thus far!
Hello, my name is gtrab and next week I will cook a new custom ROM that will be SO damn good that I am sure you all will be hooked again into addiction
BTW, here's a Flashaholism workaround: get a second Xperia
Save the other one for everyday use
Hope this helps ya all
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Hello, my name is gtrab and next week I will cook a new custom ROM that will be SO damn good that I am sure you all will be hooked again into addiction
BTW, here's a Flashaholism workaround: get a second Xperia
Save the other one for everyday use
Hope this helps ya all
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nooooooooooooo i'm tryin to kick the habit lol
so whats the threshold to join the club. im averaging about 1 flash every 8 days but that may change with the increased number of good cookers in this forum
Neither do I could stop. Nearly 3 times per day in average.
The problem is, after every flash I will try to change the settings manually and get everything works fine, before I found another rom that makes me wanna give a try. Therefore all works and times has been wasted. God. It's been nearly a month that I won't go to bed till 3 am or something.
Think another solution will be fill some extra strong glue into the mini-usb port, dry it by a hair dryer. All problem fixed.
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Neither do I could stop. Nearly 3 times per day in average.
The problem is, after every flash I will try to change the settings manually and get everything works fine, before I found another rom that makes me wanna give a try. Therefore all works and times has been wasted. God. It's been nearly a month that I won't go to bed till 3 am or something.
Think another solution will be fill some extra strong glue into the mini-usb port, dry it by a hair dryer. All problem fixed.
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we still have flashing from Micro SD...glue is no good...
Hello my name is Senad, and i'm also a flashoholic.... YEAH.
New ROM every week for the People!
hahaha looool... yes my second xperia is resting for now hehee! (6)... anyway... the true is that i've been using WM 6.5 (by gtrab) since yesterday (first time a mess, probably my bad) but it has been running with no problems with TF3D... I gonna see this day how it keeps running then i'll let u guys know...
gtrab said:
Hello, my name is gtrab and next week I will cook a new custom ROM that will be SO damn good that I am sure you all will be hooked again into addiction
BTW, here's a Flashaholism workaround: get a second Xperia
Save the other one for everyday use
Hope this helps ya all
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based in??
Cheekbone said:
Since you flashed so much, what's the best WM 6.5 rom around currently?
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I always flash because i can't find the rom i want but now i using Valkyrie_v1 Final version from agent_47 and it's rock! Nice WM6.5 + Manila,try it and it may be help you to stop the habit.
lol @ flashaholic...love the thread title
WC
but u never know that next rom might be the perfect one for u ........ go give it a try. whats thw worse that could happen
Xventure said:
I always flash because i can't find the rom i want but now i using Valkyrie_v1 Final version from agent_47 and it's rock! Nice WM6.5 + Manila,try it and it may be help you to stop the habit.
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I think I'll flash to this one too
how dows it work
How does the vipfreshinstall work?
Where do i put the script etc.?
Hello, I'm a flashaholic. i have 9 ROMs saved to my card and regularly chop and change. I almost got fixed on gtrabs WM6.5 ROM but then i found some SPB3 tweaks that i HAD to try so loaded jacks lite ROM and then i saw a TF2D skin that rocked so had to swap. Then i had to load the base R2A ROM to load a WM6 app and then i tried Valkyries ROM and then...
I love my X1...
15 may... 3 rom changes u.u''

DIR ROM ? - Do It Right ? /Quality Control ?

What I miss at this forum, is a ROM with a honest, complete list of known bugs/non-working stuff.
Would like to see some quality-control, and know what I install - before I do.
Everybody is cooking ROM's (and that's nice) but there's no way to know how they will work before trying.
-its impossible to read thru >200 posts and figure out which of those are about the current version.
-recent posts are sometimes about earlier versions too...
Please: I hope some of you that des this nice job will focus on information about quality, and keep a "buglist" for each version..
AlCapone said:
What I miss at this forum, is a ROM with a honest, complete list of known bugs/non-working stuff.
Would like to see some quality-control, and know what I install - before I do.
Everybody is cooking ROM's (and that's nice) but there's no way to know how they will work before trying.
-its impossible to read thru >200 posts and figure out which of those are about the current version.
-recent posts are sometimes about earlier versions too...
Please: I hope some of you that des this nice job will focus on information about quality, and keep a "buglist" for each version..
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I agree 100% Buglists are a must. Roms shouldn't be released with alot of bugs unless stated by the op.
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I agree 100% Buglists are a must. Roms shouldn't be released with alot of bugs unless stated by the op.
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I think the point you're missing is that the bugs only become apparent after others flash the ROMs and do some testing.....
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apparent after others flash the ROMs and do some testing.....
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nope - the author/or a helper is in the ultimate position to read the feedback, verify, and make a list in the first article containing these bugs.
i did not say that the cook should know about every bug before releasing.
maintain a list, and verify it against next version.
-the only way to have some quality control...
I agree with the sentiment - for those of us who only flash their phones maybe once a month, it would be nice to know a ROM is ultra stable and all known bugs / oddities have been sorted. (or if not, then a comprehensive list of things that are broken, with any workarounds etc) Reading through thousands of posts takes hours and not everybody has the time or inclination for that.
For instance both WM and Manila (and others) are under very active development, there are always new versions coming out. While it would be unreasonable to expect the beta WM builds (23xxx, 28xxx) to be 100% stable, it would be nice for a cook or two to say "right, this combination of components is stable, I'm going to stick with these for a while" instead of always following the very latest cutting edge "LOOK, SHINY TOYS!" at the risk of stability.
As for stability I am currently on JoshKoss's latest (1.7) and have yet to experience a single error, crash or hang. And Josh's seem to be the fastest ROMs, definitely of the ones I have experienced anyway. There are a few minor inconsistencies but these are in no way critical. If you want stable I would not even consider Manila 2.5 or any of the "start menu at the bottom" ROMs.
Have you tried AthineOS ROMS? Very fast, very stable. The current Leo 2.02 based ROM is the fastest Sense 2.5 ROM I've tried (and I've tried them all) and stable enough for hassle-free day to day use.
Guyz As far as my experience goes no cook likes to hide the bug list, rather they work to bring more in the light. Users like us are expected to give our submissions. Thats how it works. Things like quality control is not what we have seen here since its not GM factory but a place to share & experiment & success & failure is part of that place.
AlCapone said:
nope - the author/or a helper is in the ultimate position to read the feedback, verify, and make a list in the first article containing these bugs.
i did not say that the cook should know about every bug before releasing.
maintain a list, and verify it against next version.
-the only way to have some quality control...
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I completely disagree. At the rate new builds are released, and with so many new tweaks and items going into ROMs, I think it would take forever for the chef and a select few beta testers to try and figure out all or most bugs in a ROM. I use Arrups ROMs, and he discloses everything that he can, but ultimately its not the chefs responsibility to create a "perfect" rom for Al Capone is it? Everyone uses different applications which can affect the stability of a ROM completely-for example Opera beta 10. I think its much more efficient to have them release the ROMs and let lots of people try and break them, then come back and fix it. And when bugs arise the are put on a "bug list" to be fixed.
We would never see new ROM releases for months if we waited for chefs to perfect stuff. So the people who just flash and leach ROMs cant help out a little?
Since you are so anxious about having a perfect ROM, why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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As for stability I am currently on JoshKoss's latest (1.7) and have yet to experience a single error, crash or hang. And Josh's seem to be the fastest ROMs, definitely of the ones I have experienced anyway. There are a few minor inconsistencies but these are in no way critical. If you want stable I would not even consider Manila 2.5 or any of the "start menu at the bottom" ROMs.
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X2, This is a very stable ROM. I have been running it close to 2 weeks with no real issues & haven't had to soft reset because of a glitch or hang up.
I have to chime in here and agree with the sentiment of this thread. The application of it is much more difficult that it seems. I have been down this road before, trying to get the chefs to post a comprehensive bug list for their ROMs and while they are willing to do it, it is VERY difficult to tell what is a real bug and what is OE (operator error), confusion caused by loading some application, etc that really isn't a bug or a real bug.
For example, I have been running Sergio76's EVO 3 ROM for sometime now, and have absolutely nothing bad to say about it. Stable as hell, fast, good memory, good battery etc. But some of the other users of the same ROM find 'bugs' mostly caused by putting different shells on, or trying to icon sets.
So, my point is BRAVO! this needs to be done, but let's have a good discussion of how to categorize what is a bug, what is an incompatibility, etc. Because, if we simply list all these things as bugs then we run the risk of scaring folks off of flashing a potentially GREAT ROM all because one or two guys muck it up by hacking the registry and it gets put on a bug list.
I would also like to see a 'standard' way all the chefs list bugs, etc.
Russ
iceman4357 said:
why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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bit harsh tbh
MadBeef said:
bit harsh tbh
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I was actually holding back a lot. Unfortunately 90% of people on here dont contribute anything and just expect stuff to happen perfectly. If its so easy, then instead of creating an entire thread to talk about problems, why not make a "perfect" Rom and contribute.
iceman4357 said:
Since you are so anxious about having a perfect ROM, why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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your own *****ing certainly does not help.
read my lips:
-I do NOT ask for a "perfect" ROM
-I just ask for the cook/helper to browse thru the reply-posts, and add known bugs they can confirm, to the first post - the one that contains the ROM
-So any ROM can have a list of known errors, (the the author confirms)
AlCapone said:
your own *****ing certainly does not help.
read my lips:
-I do NOT ask for a "perfect" ROM
-I just ask for the cook/helper to browse thru the reply-posts, and add known bugs they can confirm, to the first post - the one that contains the ROM
-So any ROM can have a list of known errors, (the the author confirms)
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So the chef should worry about reading the 200 posts that you were worried about reading instead of working on ROMs? I am sure that chef mailboxes are full of people reporting bugs on a daily basis.
There are people other than the chefs that have a good deal of experience that help within the thread posts, that free up the chef to continue experimenting and cooking ROMs.
A lot of "common" bugs are specific to builds, such as the landscape issues vs touchflow(sense), or GPS lag which take a lot of time and programming to figure out. These are commonly known across ROMs and builds.
A lot of smaller bugs are from individual customization errors like with S2U2, Opera Beta, lack of knowledge, or custom tweaking.
Chefs, in my opinion, are here to provide a decent platform ROM for us to costimize individually; not to help each individual person with each custom problem they have.
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Montea said:
X2, This is a very stable ROM. I have been running it close to 2 weeks with no real issues & haven't had to soft reset because of a glitch or hang up.
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can u link me up with the x2 rom u speak about?thanks
oyebee said:
can u link me up with the x2 rom u speak about?thanks
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572938
We were on about JoshKoss's ROMs.
I've said this for years, something like bugzilla would be good. Not that I have ever used it but something with a bit of structure you know? Flag bugs by component (ie. Manila footprints tab, lock screen, or whatever) then by ROM so the system will know already if it is ROM specific or not. But it still relies on people adding good data, as the saying goes, "Garbage In Garbage Out". An automated config dump tool would be a good step towards that. (an end-to-end "report bug" app would be awesome) After all I don't know what point release of Manila I'm running (1921? 1922??) because I don't really care unless it breaks, or a newer version has more shiny.
Anyway I said this a while ago and we are still "*****ing" about ROMs at a fairly disorganised level, and yet the cooks continue to work their magic, so it can't be all that bad
From another guy who comes on here with not very much to offer yet continues to leech a new ROM once a month or so
Stop the Madness...
Oh Geez....
Yes, I am one of the lurkers here at XDA, having been flashing my phones for years and not really contributing much to the community.
I have made a New Year's resolution to change that, so I am posting more now.
But look at some of the most popular ROMS....
Within hours of a Chef releasing a new version, there are hundreds of posts about it.
From what I gather, 95% if not more of these guys/gals cook up these ROMs in their spare time. They do it because they like to do it. I don't think anyone here is getting rich cooking up a ROM for my TP2. They all have lives and when there can be 40+ pages of posts within a couple days after they release a new version, I don't expect them to read every single one. Especially where a vast majority are people asking how to flash the ROM, how to change the theme or other posts that a simple search would provide the answer.
Most Chefs do post what was fixed, what was improved and a lot of them post issues in their ROMS.
I have spent hours reading page after page trying to figure out an answer to a issue I have had...knowing I was probably not the only one having it.
Do some Chef's not post as much info as I would like? Yes.
Am I going to berate those Chefs for not doing so? No.
Some of the responsibility has to be on the users. Period.
For example, I was and am a fan of the Energy ROMs. But I SMS an insane amount and the newest Leo interface with the HTC messaging client sucked, period. Not to say NRGZ28's ROMs sucked, quite the contrary, they are great. But did those ROMs fill every need that I specifically had? No.
So, I did some research, and I found in a thread where Agent_47 suggested his ROM because he didn't even cook in the HTC SMS messaging client. So, I looked at his thread, flashed the ROM, and realized that I have had no issues with it and am very happy. Stable, works and I don't have to wait 7 minutes sometimes to send a text to someone!
We are all very lucky to have XDA. We are all very lucky to have the Chefs that spend their own time, and a lot of it, to cook up these excellent ROMs for us to flash.
Instead of complaining about the lack of 'bug lists'...perhaps you could create a tool or set something up to help the Chefs better manage those said lists?
That is the spirit that has and continues to make XDA great, if there is something you want, something that you see lacking, then create a tool to fill that void.
If you don't want to do that, then I suggest getting an iPhone, where you are locked into your OS and a slave to Apple and their constant updates and static interface. Cool device, granted, but I prefer the freedom of flashing, the excitement of trying new interfaces, experimenting with new features and lastly, the great folks here at XDA.
\.end rant
Spankmeister said:
I suggest getting an iPhone
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