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Official Cingular ROM release June 19th

Saw this on the cingular forums. Looks like it will be on the 19th.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060613/nytu118.html?.v=56

I think they just said an update.. Is it an entirely new rom?

thats good news, too bad i sold my phone for a dopod S300 (htc startrek) smartphone...

Thanks for the info bro.. Nice to see finally the official one coming out this month...

jdoiv said:
Saw this on the cingular forums. Looks like it will be on the 19th.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060613/nytu118.html?.v=56
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Looks like they may change the pricing to force DirectPush users to purchase a special plan al la BB. That sucks.
I mean, come on, DirectPush is not like BB where Cingular has to host servers to support it .... DirectPush requried *no* support from Cingular at all and as such they should not expect a premium for it's usage, IMHO. But, business is business.

I can understand (although I don't agree with) the idea of charging more for a "PDA" plan than a data plan from a "not-so-smart" handset - Let's face it, the data usage on a device used to check email regularly is going to use the network far more than a WAP browser.
(Of course, as "dumb" handsets gain more features, and the data services get faster, that rationale may start to fall apart)
What I think is unconscionable is to take two devices that offer the exact same email capabilities (at least with regard to data transport), operate at the same speed, etc. (i.e., the 2125 and 8125) and charge different rates for each of them... Is the idea to punish an 8125 user for going with a bigger form factor (which is why many people may choose that device), or for using additional PPC-specific software that doesn't touch the EDGE network?
If they want to start tiering the services and restricting ports to those that don't pay the higher fees, that would be one thing - but charging differently based on which handset you're using??? give me a #[email protected]$! break!

amg212 said:
I can understand (although I don't agree with) the idea of charging more for a "PDA" plan than a data plan from a "not-so-smart" handset - Let's face it, the data usage on a device used to check email regularly is going to use the network far more than a WAP browser.
(Of course, as "dumb" handsets gain more features, and the data services get faster, that rationale may start to fall apart)
What I think is unconscionable is to take two devices that offer the exact same email capabilities (at least with regard to data transport), operate at the same speed, etc. (i.e., the 2125 and 8125) and charge different rates for each of them... Is the idea to punish an 8125 user for going with a bigger form factor (which is why many people may choose that device), or for using additional PPC-specific software that doesn't touch the EDGE network?
If they want to start tiering the services and restricting ports to those that don't pay the higher fees, that would be one thing - but charging differently based on which handset you're using??? give me a #[email protected]$! break!
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I agree with all of the above. It will be interesting to see how they "detect" DP users. Perhaps they will block the heartbeat ports by default and open them for DP "subscribers".

Extra features from other ROMs?
So, I wonder if the new ROM will be interesting enough to warrant an upgrade away from the other ROM's that are out there?
I haven't upgraded myself yet (I'm dangerously close to doing so), but features like the "turbo" button / overclocking thing would sure be nice sometimes.
TTFN

I guess a question that should be asked is what happens to those already paying for the PDA Data Connect. Will we have to pay more? No one has said for sure and my call to Cingular CS was a waste of time.

Yay for T-Mobile and completely unlimited data + hotspot for $30/mo.

summiter said:
It will be interesting to see how they "detect" DP users. Perhaps they will block the heartbeat ports by default and open them for DP "subscribers".
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Or maybe create a dedicated APN for heartbeat users (a la Blackberry)

my 8125 is still running on my attwireless plan, and my 'data plan' is mmode unlimited. I'm willing to bet that when dp comes out I'll be able to use it without any problems. I could be wrong, but they seemingly don't care about attw users, so I'm thinking that I'll be able to slip under the radar.

Here is a dumb question - with summiter's 2.3 ROM is push mail available? if so what options are there for the pushing without an exchange server?
I don't want to keep an app running on my pc all day...

jgiordano said:
Here is a dumb question - with summiter's 2.3 ROM is push mail available? if so what options are there for the pushing without an exchange server?
I don't want to keep an app running on my pc all day...
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Push Mail is available with any of the AKU 2.0 ROMs.
As for leaving an app running all day...well, if you're runing Exchange Server on your PC that's probably all you're running on that PC.
That said there are a few ISPs that offer Exchange email, mail2web.com and 1and1.com are the two that come to mind right away.

jgiordano said:
Here is a dumb question - with summiter's 2.3 ROM is push mail available? if so what options are there for the pushing without an exchange server?
I don't want to keep an app running on my pc all day...
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The release of this is targeted more at corporations running exchange than your day to day pc user. Exchange server is a very expensive piece of enterprise software that people spend years learning how to use. If you were able to set up an exchange server on your home pc in a few hours with no prior knowledge, I'd bow to you. In any case, its a great thing for those of us with a company with exchange, direct push is awesome.

Blocking DirectPush
Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
As for DP, can they block the port? Isn't it an HTTP connection? Or is it a non-port 80 HTTP connection? I dunno... I think it will still work, but if you want to start NOW it will cost you.
I could be wrong, but it's working now for me and I'm not paying extra.
Hell, my cingular profile still says I have a SMT5600 and that's two phones ago.

Re: Blocking DirectPush
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Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
As for DP, can they block the port? Isn't it an HTTP connection? Or is it a non-port 80 HTTP connection? I dunno... I think it will still work, but if you want to start NOW it will cost you.
I could be wrong, but it's working now for me and I'm not paying extra.
Hell, my cingular profile still says I have a SMT5600 and that's two phones ago.
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DP is a non-http/80 port. They could very well block it because they are the service provider, and they can decide to provide the servce, or deny it.
I'm very much on the boat of being pissed for paying more for a larger phone. Hell, the phone itself is more, why do I have to pay more to use it? Wonder if this is an issue, say I've got a 2125, give me the cheaper data plan, how would they know the device is different? The only, I repeat ONLY way they could tell is if they implemented an IMEI check every time a DP protocol was initiated. I would imagine this would be wasted bandwidth, and cingular wouldn't give a rats ass other than they wanna make the money where it can be made - that said if you can shell out a few more pesos for the bigger, better phone, then cingular comes along with their bigger better **** to ram you with... flippin' corporate america... when's it gonna stop.
RE: the t-mo user, yeah, t-mo, horray, don't work hardly anywhere I am, and the voice quality blows - unfortunately here in the Bay Area, I need my phone to have better service. I'd rather go with MetroPCS before t-mo... horrible phone cust svc, horrible support, horrible CS people, plain poor network for where I am. I don't like to dog networks, but man, T-MO is a long way from being 'acceptable' for Cali's Bay Area.
I'll tell you what my friends... just wait until Metro offers u/l web browsing and data for $5/mo on their a-la-carte plans... maybe then the big dicks of Verizon, Sprint, and Cingular will come off their high horses and help us little people out with a reasonable u/l data plan, like $20 flat fee, don't care what device you have - u/l text, data, pix. That'd be the day.

t-mobile's service is horrible EVERYWHERE, and my friend just quit them for that reason today. i have cingular, and i really like cingular. i haven't had a dropped call in well over 5 months now (the original issue was related to a weather program plugin for my 8125), and i have $20 unlimited internet/1500 txt/50mms. i'm not really caring about 3g at all now...

Re: Blocking DirectPush
stormj said:
Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
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Cingular could easily block the port and charge for it if it wished to do so.
mengesb said:
I'm very much on the boat of being pissed for paying more for a larger phone. Hell, the phone itself is more, why do I have to pay more to use it? Wonder if this is an issue, say I've got a 2125, give me the cheaper data plan, how would they know the device is different?
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The device type can be checked every time it is powered on and registers on a tower. If a carrier really does want to tie service cost to a device it can.
mengesb said:
RE: the t-mo user, yeah, t-mo, horray, don't work hardly anywhere I am, and the voice quality blows - unfortunately here in the Bay Area, I need my phone to have better service. I'd rather go with MetroPCS before t-mo... horrible phone cust svc, horrible support, horrible CS people, plain poor network for where I am. I don't like to dog networks, but man, T-MO is a long way from being 'acceptable' for Cali's Bay Area.
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Wow, I'm suprised to see a Bay Area person NOT like T-Mobile. I'm also in the Bay Area and coverage is fantastic. Dropped calls simply aren't an issue. Get EDGE coverage everywhere and CS has been pretty top notch when calling in with an esoteric combination of unsupported devices and getting them to work. Cingular's not bad, but there are plenty of places in SF where the T-Mobile line gets a crystal clear connection, but the Cingular line has issues holding the connection to a Cingular tower. When that happens I just force it to roam on the T-Mobile tower.

Re: Blocking DirectPush
mengesb said:
stormj said:
Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
As for DP, can they block the port? Isn't it an HTTP connection? Or is it a non-port 80 HTTP connection? I dunno... I think it will still work, but if you want to start NOW it will cost you.
I could be wrong, but it's working now for me and I'm not paying extra.
Hell, my cingular profile still says I have a SMT5600 and that's two phones ago.
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DP is a non-http/80 port.
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Actually, over-the-air Activesync runs over port 80

AT&T Closing The IS/Tethering Loophole

Its my understanding with the Tilt / Kaiser /TyTN II / Whatever-They-Want-To-Call-This-Beast-of-Burden that using Internet Sharing, AT&T couldn't track tethering except through extreme data usage. Well, according to a feature sheet for 6.1 that I noticed in another thread, in 6.1 AT&T will be able to track tethering through IS and bill accordingly! No more tethering my laptop when I'm on the Greyhound.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68817&d=1202112855

Stick with WM6?

I'm ticked because I just flashed to a 6.1 ROM only to find that out.

or just get the unlimited pda pkg.

Alemaker said:
or just get the unlimited pda pkg.
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Doesn't exist anymore. They've soft capped at 5GB.

Wow!!
Then yup, that stinks.
Got my phone in October, thx for that info-not changin my plan

Alemaker said:
or just get the unlimited pda pkg.
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AT&T considers "tethering" a computer a separate account/line thus unlimited which I have, technically does not allow tethering. So that's why they bend ya over for more money to use tethering with a computer. The computer is technically another line/account.
...I did say technically

Alemaker said:
or just get the unlimited pda pkg.
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well wut if u haad the unlim. pda package and u say now they are capping it. Does the price go down? or am i still paying the 50 bucks.

doesnt it say also have?
it says "enable DUN to be used on devices that also have internet sharing." wouldn't that mean you would have a choice of which option to use.

Looks more like DUN uses IS instead of bypassing it as it does now with 6.0. Currently, you can't track DUN data usage on the phone but the carrier still sees it.
I don't see what difference this new change makes except BT DUN is not longer the bastard, red-headed step-child anymore.

Doesn't seem like a huge problem. Just use a non-AT&T firmware.

I'm confused. I tether using PAN with my Tilt. Does this new feature mean they can track usage of DUN, or both DUN and PAN? So should I be worried that I now have 6.1 on my Tilt?

i am going to florida for four days and i want to tether on my laptop so i can sling box on the comp. If i am caught tethering what is the penalty/charge? if one time monthly charge it might be worth it. also are there any pre-paid wireless internet plans from att or anywhere else?

It's a matter of time before someone cooks a rom or makes a cab that hinders or disables the reporting that you are tethering.
fizzie said:
why they bend ya over for more money to use tethering with a computer. The computer is technically another line/account.
...I did say technically
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But thats the thing.
Technically it is NOT another line NOR account. Why do you think you have to run ICS application for the whole thing to work? It's an application that simply makes any request from your PC be made on the phone natively.
When you connect to port 23 from your computer to a domain -- your phone is simply making that socket connection, and then passing everything back to your PC. It's a proxy program.
So technically, while you play Quake 3 -- your phone is doing the work. Not another telephone, not another line. Nope, the traffic would be the same if you were playing Quake natively on your device. The ICS program just sends outbound anything from your PC and inbound anything to the device.
So I think it is poor business to charge for something just because a program on your PHONE is running. ****, they already charge $50 bucks for unlimited PDA internet, and they cap it at 5 gigs on their network. That doesn't even include tethering! With 50 bucks I can get cable or DSL.
ATT is a damn ripoff. I need to find another US carrier ASAP.

Im confused and somewhat lost....
You know... I tether almost all school day on my tilt and have no problem. I have the 40 dollar Unlimited internet plan and although, may not be the fastest thing around, but for 1.5Mb speed, I cant complain. Im also on ATT btw. I also check my bill every day as well, and havent had a charge for it (knock on wood if I am just lucky then... )

That is definitely something that would have to be implemented through the OAL. That means it's bypassable. It will still just look like data to the phone.

masterdude656 said:
You know... I tether almost all school day on my tilt and have no problem. I have the 40 dollar Unlimited internet plan and although, may not be the fastest thing around, but for 1.5Mb speed, I cant complain. Im also on ATT btw. I also check my bill every day as well, and havent had a charge for it (knock on wood if I am just lucky then... )
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Haha.. yeah me too, i teather pritty much every day at school as well, and wats worse is that i am paying for the 20 dollar MediaMax 200 plan.. i tell my friends in Europe that and laugh in thier face about it too. i used to do it way b4 the tilt came out with my 8525.. lovin the 3G.
Att is to profitable a company for me not to tether.
(and i do use all of my text everymonth as well)

TurboX2 said:
Haha.. yeah me too, i teather pritty much every day at school as well, and wats worse is that i am paying for the 20 dollar MediaMax 200 plan.. i tell my friends in Europe that and laugh in thier face about it too. i used to do it way b4 the tilt came out with my 8525.. lovin the 3G.
Att is to profitable a company for me not to tether.
(and i do use all of my text everymonth as well)
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Awesome, so im not alone on this one good to know now!

jon_k said:
It's a matter of time before someone cooks a rom or makes a cab that hinders or disables the reporting that you are tethering.
But thats the thing.
Technically it is NOT another line NOR account. Why do you think you have to run ICS application for the whole thing to work? It's an application that simply makes any request from your PC be made on the phone natively.
When you connect to port 23 from your computer to a domain -- your phone is simply making that socket connection, and then passing everything back to your PC. It's a proxy program.
So technically, while you play Quake 3 -- your phone is doing the work. Not another telephone, not another line. Nope, the traffic would be the same if you were playing Quake natively on your device. The ICS program just sends outbound anything from your PC and inbound anything to the device.
So I think it is poor business to charge for something just because a program on your PHONE is running. ****, they already charge $50 bucks for unlimited PDA internet, and they cap it at 5 gigs on their network. That doesn't even include tethering! With 50 bucks I can get cable or DSL.
ATT is a damn ripoff. I need to find another US carrier ASAP.
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I wouldnt go that far...until T-Mo gets their 3G in the USA ATT is the lesser of 2 evils (and yes I'm not even including Sprint, they are dead)

Does ATT have ANY unlimited data plans?
EDIT: I was just at ATT's website and they still have MEdia Net unlimited for 15.00 a month and 200 Texts for 5.00 a month. There is also a plan called MEdia Net Max that comes with both for 20.00 a month. Now, if WM6.1 will only allow ATT to monitor the data then isn't the choice clear? Stick with 6.0 or a non ATT rom. Correct? If I'm wrong somewhere, please correct.
Oh also, I'm with a company that offers ATT but I am not billed directly by ATT and this company has their OWN plans. I just use ATTs network. This is ALSO an option. I once used over 10GBs of data tethering with my 8525. I was never charged more than my current plan. $20.00

is unbranding tilt for att carrier moot?

hi:
so, att will sell me unlimited data plan for 15$ addon to current voice plan..UNLESS im using att smartphone (tilt).
i was gonna get tilt, unlock , unbrand, reflash--whatever..
then i hear that they will always know that i use their smartphone anyway and charge me 30$ / month... as someone said "like charging 8$ for gas cuz i gotta V8"
-------this doesnt make sense cuz i could always buy cheaper plan and plug sim into laptop w/proper card and not get data capable phone--but whatever-------
so, bottom line == is there a workaround to absolutely disguise the tilt?
thanx

amkaos said:
hi:
so, att will sell me unlimited data plan for 15$ addon to current voice plan..UNLESS im using att smartphone (tilt).
i was gonna get tilt, unlock , unbrand, reflash--whatever..
then i hear that they will always know that i use their smartphone anyway and charge me 30$ / month... as someone said "like charging 8$ for gas cuz i gotta V8"
-------this doesnt make sense cuz i could always buy cheaper plan and plug sim into laptop w/proper card and not get data capable phone--but whatever-------
so, bottom line == is there a workaround to absolutely disguise the tilt?
thanx
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Look here, you need to search. You really wasted your first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336429
Giving you this link goes against my better judgment. NEXT TIME SEARCH

KD8DNS said:
Look here, you need to search. You really wasted your first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336429
Giving you this link goes against my better judgment. NEXT TIME SEARCH
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You've gone soft man

Use Media Net Plan with Tilt
amkaos said:
hi:
so, att will sell me unlimited data plan for 15$ addon to current voice plan..UNLESS im using att smartphone (tilt).
i was gonna get tilt, unlock , unbrand, reflash--whatever..
then i hear that they will always know that i use their smartphone anyway and charge me 30$ / month... as someone said "like charging 8$ for gas cuz i gotta V8"
-------this doesnt make sense cuz i could always buy cheaper plan and plug sim into laptop w/proper card and not get data capable phone--but whatever-------
so, bottom line == is there a workaround to absolutely disguise the tilt?
thanx
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Well I have had Cingular/AT&T for almost 3 years now. From start to present had a pda style phone with the same data plan I had when I ordered Cingular, which was Unlimited Media Net 200. Media Net unlimited data and 200 txt messages... My first phone as you see in my sig with cing is the Blue Angel SX-66 and now the AT&T Tilt which I have had for 2 months now.
Said all that to say this.. for almost 3 years.. have only paid $19.99 for that data plan and have used at most 895mb of data transfer. So I don't know how they do there thing or not but I have had no trouble with using my PDA phone with the Media Net Data Plan.
(Now that I said that, there gonna charge me.. )

KD8DNS said:
Look here, you need to search. You really wasted your first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336429
Giving you this link goes against my better judgment. NEXT TIME SEARCH
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thnx for the fast response.. i did search and i probly wasnt clear in question..
the thread you gave seemed different than my question -- the 15$ (unlimited media net) AND the 30$ plan they offer are Both for unlimited data.. the only difference they told me was smart phones have keyboard and thats what they charge extra for.. the rep exactly did say i could tether on the 15$ quote unlimited w/o probs or issues..
so , im back to orig query..
thanx

police22 said:
Well I have had Cingular/AT&T for almost 3 years now. From start to present had a pda style phone with the same data plan I had when I ordered Cingular, which was Unlimited Media Net 200. Media Net unlimited data and 200 txt messages... My first phone as you see in my sig with cing is the Blue Angel SX-66 and now the AT&T Tilt which I have had for 2 months now.
Said all that to say this.. for almost 3 years.. have only paid $19.99 for that data plan and have used at most 895mb of data transfer. So I don't know how they do there thing or not but I have had no trouble with using my PDA phone with the Media Net Data Plan.
(Now that I said that, there gonna charge me.. )
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the first thing i think of is that you are grandfathered in that particular plan, as i am grandfathered in the cheap voice plan of over 8yrs--which is why i dont wanna leave or change plans..

wait,, are you talking about "connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program"? or is this something else?
the real issue im thinking of :: they know that i use their smartphone and they will charge me extra just because of that fact--not the amount i use.. unlimited data is unlimited data..
--im trying,, but i hafto try harder cuz im stupid
thanx

Yes Talking About Tethering
amkaos said:
wait,, are you talking about "connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program"? or is this something else?
the real issue im thinking of :: they know that i use their smartphone and they will charge me extra just because of that fact--not the amount i use.. unlimited data is unlimited data..
--im trying,, but i hafto try harder cuz im stupid
thanx
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Well let me say this.. I am a truck driver and gone most of 4-5 days a week.. My laptop is connected through my TILT with Internet Sharing 24 hours a day during that week. Hence the reason why I use so much data. Almost a gig/month. I also own my own computer business and do website builds and maintance. So I NEED the internet... Between my co-driver and myself we put alot of miles so we use alot of internet to do research or what have you.. So yes to point out this is connecting my phone with a usb cable and using internet sharing to connect my laptop to the internet. I used Comm Manager on my SX-66 but didn't like the fact that the phone would become disable per say cause the phone was a modem at that point. As with Internet Sharing if you get a phone call the data is put on hold... Nice!!! So I don't miss a call...

police22 said:
Well let me say this.. I am a truck driver and gone most of 4-5 days a week.. My laptop is connected through my TILT with Internet Sharing 24 hours a day during that week. Hence the reason why I use so much data. Almost a gig/month. I also own my own computer business and do website builds and maintance. So I NEED the internet... Between my co-driver and myself we put alot of miles so we use alot of internet to do research or what have you.. So yes to point out this is connecting my phone with a usb cable and using internet sharing to connect my laptop to the internet. I used Comm Manager on my SX-66 but didn't like the fact that the phone would become disable per say cause the phone was a modem at that point. As with Internet Sharing if you get a phone call the data is put on hold... Nice!!! So I don't miss a call...
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so, youre saying that using internet sharing, there is no way to disable phone or make incoming calls just go to voice mail? if data is on hold, i assume that the site would support resume, if it doesnt, you would have to reload and start over w/whatever you are doing?

police22 said:
Well I have had Cingular/AT&T for almost 3 years now. From start to present had a pda style phone with the same data plan I had when I ordered Cingular, which was Unlimited Media Net 200. Media Net unlimited data and 200 txt messages... My first phone as you see in my sig with cing is the Blue Angel SX-66 and now the AT&T Tilt which I have had for 2 months now.
Said all that to say this.. for almost 3 years.. have only paid $19.99 for that data plan and have used at most 895mb of data transfer. So I don't know how they do there thing or not but I have had no trouble with using my PDA phone with the Media Net Data Plan.
(Now that I said that, there gonna charge me.. )
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Been using this for over a year now. Never had an issue. And I have slaved it to my laptop to share the connection before. I think I only average around 100mb per month though.

JimmyMcGee said:
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Figured ive give a NOOB a break.

Higher data usage = more likely to get flagged as abusing the service.
My experience with it has been they wont hunt down people who do 'occasional' tethering -- light usage once in a while...
When someone starts to abuse that data connection, the account gets a flag for someone to look into it eventually..
A "Razr v3" as you report to AT&T Using 20 MB of data/month is not gonna get much concern.
A "Razr v3" using over 700MB/month will probably get looked into closely....
Changing your phone VIA your account online will not change the numbers they have reported in their system. If you received a Tilt as an upgrade then swapped back to an older phone, they can see these records. In most cases they wont 'hunt' people down for small/limited abuse.
But, it is against the terms of service -- so they reserve the right to.
Like speeding, it's okay until you get caught.. and if you do, hope you get off with a warning and be more careful next time. Alternatively, just pay for the service if you like it and use it (at least that's my stand on it).

altho i appreciate the replies, y'all seem to not get what im puttin down..they told me that data usage is not an issue--its the type of device (smartphone or not); this was reps words..
but all the replies seem to tell me that if i just call and add unlimited media net or whatever its called, thats good enuf.
if they ask what device ill use, i'll tell 'em that i havent decided or something like that ..
does this make sense?
thanx

amkaos said:
altho i appreciate the replies, y'all seem to not get what im puttin down..they told me that data usage is not an issue--its the type of device (smartphone or not); this was reps words..
but all the replies seem to tell me that if i just call and add unlimited media net or whatever its called, thats good enuf.
if they ask what device ill use, i'll tell 'em that i havent decided or something like that ..
does this make sense?
thanx
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You can just change it all online and add media net or whatever data plan you want with out talking to anyone.. That is what I did when I added Data to my wifes fone.
And yes data does matter.. Your using there bandwidth so the more you use the more your suppose to pay. That is why if you have a PDA/Smartphone then they know it will be using more data and therefore you need a data plan to acomidate the phone. These types of phones have more features and will use more data than a regular phone. That is why they want you to use a higher data plan with more bandwidth.
Just like if you had someone hosting your website. The more bandwidth you use the more you pay. Usually $5 - $10 per gig.. Depending on host.
So like I said, I use a LOT of bandwidth on my tilt.. I use the Trackme for GPS on this site. Listen to streaming radio, use MobiTV. ETC.. so not just my laptop but the phone itself gets used alot too... and been doing this for almost 3 years on the same data plan..
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altho i appreciate the replies, y'all seem to not get what im puttin down..they told me that data usage is not an issue--its the type of device (smartphone or not); this was reps words..
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I bet if you call and ask a diff rep the same question, you will get a different response..

Im tired of reading this thread, I am a regional technician for AT&T, I fully understand "what u puttin down" use a old phone razr, whatever u got. go to a store and have them update your account with the "razr" imei. Then tell the sales rep you want media net unlimited 15.00mo. He will be happy to do it since he gets commision on features. then when you get home put your sim in your tilt and stop complaning.
Have a nice 15.00 a month year.
KD8DNS

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Im tired of reading this thread, I am a regional technician for AT&T, I fully understand "what u puttin down" use a old phone razr, whatever u got. go to a store and have them update your account with the "razr" imei. Then tell the sales rep you want media net unlimited 15.00mo. He will be happy to do it since he gets commision on features. then when you get home put your sim in your tilt and stop complaning.
Have a nice 15.00 a month year.
KD8DNS
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thnx... you are either real funny (which i get and how i choose to react) .
my current phone is 8ys old and not data capable..
im gonna try police22 idea. if that doesnt work, i'll do by phone..
thnx

amkaos said:
thnx... you are either real funny (which i get and how i choose to react) .
my current phone is 8ys old and not data capable..
im gonna try police22 idea. if that doesnt work, i'll do by phone..
thnx
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Listen, I told you that im a tech for AT&T, that should be justification. If you do it over the net, it will not update the imei and they will be prone to catching you. UPDATE THE IMEI, even to the non data phone.

KD8DNS said:
Listen, I told you that im a tech for AT&T, that should be justification. If you do it over the net, it will not update the imei and they will be prone to catching you. UPDATE THE IMEI, even to the non data phone.
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ok... i think i get it now.. youre saying that razr aint data phone either and it doesnt matter what kinda phone it is..
sorry im stupid.. this is my first look at updating my phone since i got it 8 yrs ago..but i aint skeered to tinker or look stupid doing so..
i will ask bunch 0 questions till i get it..
thanx for patience..

[Q] Wifi tethering: native android vs ATT?

So with flashing a custom rom with 2.2, there's obviously the "mobile AP" function that's built into 2.2.
But my question is this: with ATT coming out with a $-per-month wireless tethering plan, will there come a time when they will be able to detect if we're using our phone's built in tethering, and automatically opt us into the $X a month plan?
Also, I've read other plans where you may get 2GB for the phone's data, and then an additional 2GB for tethered devices. How can they keep track of this? Can they tell if I am using my phone's tethering capabilities.
Obviously I'd like to continue to use my wifi tethering free of charge, and not have to pay ATT for their own service, much like Google Navigation vs ATT Navigator.

Curious about this as well. Came up in a conversation today at work. There was debate between tethering on Android and the iPhone. Any one have insight?

trekie86 said:
Curious about this as well. Came up in a conversation today at work. There was debate between tethering on Android and the iPhone. Any one have insight?
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AT&T won't know if u tether through ur phone using android API. But u got to be careful as they can make out based on the amount of traffic u use.

Well, I can speak for the android phones but the never detected me doing it with my blackberry for the last 4 years.
Once they release their "version" I'll be able to report on the captivate as I will use it as much as possible.

Unless u have unlimited data plan, ATT should not care about it at all.
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...

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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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Excellent example of why grandfathering will be phased out. Already doing it to the old blue plans.

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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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But here he said "hooked to wi-fi", not cell network. Well, unless he means to have enabled tethering and connected it to his laptop.
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Excellent example of why grandfathering will be phased out. Already doing it to the old blue plans.
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.

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But here he said "hooked to wi-fi", not cell network. Well, unless he means to have enabled tethering and connected it to his laptop.
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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i was wifi tethering... and i checked last months usage, was wrong on the amt, i barely broke 2gb for the month, but it was all that torrent... took like 20+ hours to download it all... maybe they didnt say anything because typically i dont even break 500mb a month... only at 76mb now... who knows... i rarely tether because most places i have internet... but just casual tethering i wouldnt worry about it... not sure how they analyze the usage for each customer but i highly doubt there is an att employee watching every customer so it's gotta either be the monthly usage, huge spikes in data like i did, or both... was just saying i havent heard anything about it, and that bill has been settled... but they do catch ppl...

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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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How about they upgrade their network to handle ALL the traffic and not keep selling/pushing devices that people use to consume data? IMO there is no abuse or "using too much" bandwidth. I bought an UNLIMITED data plan to use I see fit and use a device that has the capabilities to run apps that use bandwidth, I'm gonna use them when I want and as much as I want, and everyone that has such a device and plan should be able to. If more people would stand together and voice that they wouldn't be getting rid of the "1%". Customer service and providing a good wireless experience doesn't mean turning away customers that actually use the features that AT&T SOLD to them.

i feel like if im able to make my phone tether without their help and i have unlimited data i can do that... it's for MY USE AND ENJOYMENT.... i realize att and most customers dont feel the same, and any business model wont permit that, so im not trying to start an argument or anything... just how i feel about it all... i have an unlimited plan, that means i can use UNLIMITED DATA regardless of how i use it...
but to answer OP, stick with native android if casual tethering, just watch your back and usage... maybe look into the att plan if your gonna use it everyday

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i was wifi tethering... and i checked last months usage, was wrong on the amt, i barely broke 2gb for the month, but it was all that torrent... took like 20+ hours to download it all... maybe they didnt say anything because typically i dont even break 500mb a month... only at 76mb now... who knows... i rarely tether because most places i have internet... but just casual tethering i wouldnt worry about it... not sure how they analyze the usage for each customer but i highly doubt there is an att employee watching every customer so it's gotta either be the monthly usage, huge spikes in data like i did, or both... was just saying i havent heard anything about it, and that bill has been settled... but they do catch ppl...
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Right. Once in a while is ok. But there are some habitual consumers. Such accounts would get flagged. Cos they didn't complain when u consumed high a couple doesn't mean people aren't watching.

mxracer101 said:
How about they upgrade their network to handle ALL the traffic and not keep selling/pushing devices that people use to consume data? IMO there is no abuse or "using too much" bandwidth. I bought an UNLIMITED data plan to use I see fit and use a device that has the capabilities to run apps that use bandwidth, I'm gonna use them when I want and as much as I want, and everyone that has such a device and plan should be able to. If more people would stand together and voice that they wouldn't be getting rid of the "1%". Customer service and providing a good wireless experience doesn't mean turning away customers that actually use the features that AT&T SOLD to them.
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Right. And they could charge the unlimited at a premium price. No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.

diablo009 said:
Right. And they could charge the unlimited at a premium price. No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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Ha... no wars here The yelling was more at AT&T for effect.

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No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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Ha... no wars here The yelling was more at AT&T for effect.
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yes, please no forum fight LOL...

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yes, please no forum fight LOL...
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Yes. That would be the last thing I would want to do with my friends here

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Yes. That would be the last thing I would want to do with my friends here
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With all the customers att has I'd think you'd need an insane amount of data usage to get noticed. I have unlimited and I used 4.5 gigs last month with zero tethering. Also they may filter your usage to see if your playing an online game or something, obviously if your communicating with a WoW server or BC2 server for three hours strait you're teathering. But if your just D/Ling stuff a lot they really can't tell because your phone could realistically be doing that where as obviously it can't play BC2 ;-)
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Clienterror said:
With all the customers att has I'd think you'd need an insane amount of data usage to get noticed. I have unlimited and I used 4.5 gigs last month with zero tethering. Also they may filter your usage to see if your playing an online game or something, obviously if your communicating with a WoW server or BC2 server for three hours strait you're teathering. But if your just D/Ling stuff a lot they really can't tell because your phone could realistically be doing that where as obviously it can't play BC2 ;-)
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I agree. They don't care what u do. But they could be raising alerts to the network team if usage crosses a certain level. Certainly, many customers satisfaction in any given area is considered more than one satisfied customer. Thinking from business angle here. Most of the alerts they may not bother, but if any tower is getting overloaded, then it would create a high priority issue for them, and that is when notice of high usage could be sent to consumers choking the network.

ejmeier1 said:
So with flashing a custom rom with 2.2, there's obviously the "mobile AP" function that's built into 2.2.
But my question is this: with ATT coming out with a $-per-month wireless tethering plan, will there come a time when they will be able to detect if we're using our phone's built in tethering, and automatically opt us into the $X a month plan?
Also, I've read other plans where you may get 2GB for the phone's data, and then an additional 2GB for tethered devices. How can they keep track of this? Can they tell if I am using my phone's tethering capabilities.
Obviously I'd like to continue to use my wifi tethering free of charge, and not have to pay ATT for their own service, much like Google Navigation vs ATT Navigator.
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Technically, yes they can tell that you're tethering... but not because the tether itself sends a red flag. It's the type of traffic that your "phone" is generating that can be a dead giveaway. For example, if the user agent on your browser says it's IE8 running on Windows 7 it's pretty suspicious. If you're running p2p, gaming or any other kinds of software or data patterns that aren't really expected from your phone then it could raise a red flag. They aren't sniffing everyone's packets. However, if you are using unusually high data amounts, they could start monitoring your traffic and determine that you are most likely tethering. I guess you could deny it. I'm not sure how far you could argue that or how far they could "prove" their side.
However, they're not in the business of running customers off. They aren't looking to lose or upset a customer. If you aren't abusing the tethering (ie excessive data usage on an unlimited plan) I highly doubt that they would care or desire to upset you. I do suspect that some day they may use this as a tool to get rid of the unlimited data plans. I also suspect that if you aren't on an unlimited plan they probably would never complain, since you are paying per gb. This is all speculation on my part.
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I agree. They don't care what u do. But they could be raising alerts to the network team if usage crosses a certain level. Certainly, many customers satisfaction in any given area is considered more than one satisfied customer. Thinking from business angle here. Most of the alerts they may not bother, but if any tower is getting overloaded, then it would create a high priority issue for them, and that is when notice of high usage could be sent to consumers choking the network.
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The most they would probably even do if they did happen to single out a user for "unreasonable usage" is maybe ask you to stop or take away data unlimited. the fine print in the brochure does not say anything about cash penalties for over use it just says it will not be allowed.

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Sprint sent us a letter saying that my dad's phone had been sharing his connection to computers without their permission. We have been using our phones as our house internet for about 2 years, we got 4G last summer, we use the heck out of it. We have the family plan with unlimited text and data. His number hasn't tethered in a while, we have been using my brothers phone for the house internet while he's in boot camp. Why are they saying they will terminate our account because of my dad's number? The phone for the house internet has used A LOT of data, but that's the point of have UNLIMITED can they really do this? They said they will be monitoring our data usage for the next 10 days, isn't that invading privacy? Thanks

They can tell when your device is tethering. They will only monitor the amount of data being used. Not what you are viewing or downloading. They don't have the ability to actually see that. Why don't you consider home internet? Its cheaper than a hotspot or mobile broadband
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hellot1M said:
They can tell when your device is tethering. They will only monitor the amount of data being used. Not what you are viewing or downloading. They don't have the ability to actually see that. Why don't you consider home internet? Its cheaper than a hotspot or mobile broadband
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We can't get it where we live it pisses us off because it would cost us $24,000 to run it from the middle of our road to us. That's why we use the hotspot, we arent paying for the hotspot, if we did pay for the $30 fee, do you think we could use as much as we want?

Comet1966 said:
if we did pay for the $30 fee, do you think we could use as much as we want?
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I'd think you would be able to, but I'd still drop Sprint an email to make sure with them and get it in writing in case they try to give you trouble later on.

Unlimited isn't truly unlimited, it's unlimited within reason. It's in their fine print. They also say they can terminate you without further notice for using too much data per month, especially if you roam.

You need to come up with a better solution. It's because of people like you that make the network slower than hell for the rest of us. Tethering here & there I have no problems with but people that use it for home internet is just so stupid. You can get a hotspot or sat internet if you can't get a wired connection.

Seriously guys? When did this sentiment begin? People have been sneaking tethering for years and that's one thing that is a preferable benefit to sprint and these phones. Since when can they tell we tether while rooted?

Comet1966 said:
Sprint sent us a letter saying that my dad's phone had been sharing his connection to computers without their permission. We have been using our phones as our house internet for about 2 years, we got 4G last summer, we use the heck out of it. We have the family plan with unlimited text and data. His number hasn't tethered in a while, we have been using my brothers phone for the house internet while he's in boot camp. Why are they saying they will terminate our account because of my dad's number? The phone for the house internet has used A LOT of data, but that's the point of have UNLIMITED can they really do this? They said they will be monitoring our data usage for the next 10 days, isn't that invading privacy? Thanks
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Comet1966, Consider that Sprint, just like your cable, water, gas, credit card company all have the ability to "profile" you. They know who you call, for how long, what shows you watch, how much water and gas you use, and where you shop. etc.
Sprint Terms Of Service prohibits tethering unless you pay for it. They were offering 5 gb with the unlimited for life plan for authorized tethering. As others have suggested either try to work with Sprint to get a tethering plan or stop tethering if you like your Sprint service. At least they put you on notice and just didn't disconnect you.
And I know exactly what you mean, my dad's and brother's houses are in the country and from time to time I have turned on the tethering - but not as my primary internet connection for a household every month.

"I didn't pay for something and now that I am abusing it Sprint wants me to stop or pay"
First, you know tethering is an extra fee, by bypassing it Sprint could have charged you for every bit of data used. More importantly in response to your "unlimited" claim, it is unlimited data used ON YOUR PHONE. In fact Sprint doesn't even offer an unlimited tethering plan, I believe the highest they go is 5GB. It sucks you live in a crappy part of town but you need to look into an actual solution.

There is NO WAY of me finding another solution, we CANNOT get cable internet at this point in time. It would cost us $24,000 to run it to us. Now of course all the cable companys get our hopes up by saying that they have it in our area, right up until we call to get it. Google intended for the tethering to be free in the beggining, but yes its really up to the carriers. It is the only thing that we know of that is actually usable and stable. No need to start pointing fingers, I was just figuring out why. And to say "it's because of people like us that the networks are slow" is the dumbest dank thing I've heard today, 1 of the five phones that are on our plan could be downloading a torrent at 2.5MBps right next to me, and I would still get 20MBps, I believe yes they throttle us otherwise one guy would be getting 100MBps and the other would be getting 1. Bit the limits of our radio's also do that.

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There is NO WAY of me finding another solution, we CANNOT get cable internet at this point in time. It would cost us $24,000 to run it to us. Now of course all the cable companys get our hopes up by saying that they have it in our area, right up until we call to get it. Google intended for the tethering to be free in the beggining, but yes its really up to the carriers. It is the only thing that we know of that is actually usable and stable. No need to start pointing fingers, I was just figuring out why. And to say "it's because of people like us that the networks are slow" is the dumbest dank thing I've heard today, 1 of the five phones that are on our plan could be downloading a torrent at 2.5MBps right next to me, and I would still get 20MBps, I believe yes they throttle us otherwise one guy would be getting 100MBps and the other would be getting 1. Bit the limits of our radio's also do that.
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Why not just pay for a Sprint MIFI card? Believe you get 5 GB a month? Is DSL available in your area or maybe even another wireless provider (at my dad's house, they have a company that has basically WIFI that uses a special receiver attached to a small dish antenna pointed towards a tower)?
And if you are running Torrent traffic over a Sprint connection, that definitely isn't standard "smart phone" traffic along with the amount of Internet traffic, is what Sprint is looking at when it comes to "abuse".

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Why not just pay for a Sprint MIFI card? Believe you get 5 GB a month? Is DSL available in your area or maybe even another wireless provider (at my dad's house, they have a company that has basically WIFI that uses a special receiver attached to a small dish antenna pointed towards a tower)?
And if you are running Torrent traffic over a Sprint connection, that definitely isn't standard "smart phone" traffic along with the amount of Internet traffic, is what Sprint is looking at when it comes to "abuse".
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Yeah, we had something called planet connect it aimed at a tower, but it was highly unstable and their customer support sucks now.

Well your only option now is to find another solution because if you keep abusing Sprints network your account WILL be canceled. This is not something new and this is not the only thread like this. I admit I do tether but it's only to send an email or two every once in a while. You have clearly been abusing the system and now you've been put on notice. You will probably continue to do it then you will start another thread complaining that sprint canceled your service for no reason. I am not trying be be an a#$ but you've been a member of xda since 2011, you had to have seen other threads like this.
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How much data were you using a month?

Comet1966 said:
There is NO WAY of me finding another solution, we CANNOT get cable internet at this point in time. It would cost us $24,000 to run it to us. Now of course all the cable companys get our hopes up by saying that they have it in our area, right up until we call to get it. Google intended for the tethering to be free in the beggining, but yes its really up to the carriers. It is the only thing that we know of that is actually usable and stable. No need to start pointing fingers, I was just figuring out why. And to say "it's because of people like us that the networks are slow" is the dumbest dank thing I've heard today, 1 of the five phones that are on our plan could be downloading a torrent at 2.5MBps right next to me, and I would still get 20MBps, I believe yes they throttle us otherwise one guy would be getting 100MBps and the other would be getting 1. Bit the limits of our radio's also do that.
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NO WAY at all huh. You can get a mifi card using the same network connection. You shouldn't be torrenting over hacked tether. I hope they cancel your account and they should. The bottom line it does affect other users & the network. Sprint's 3G is painful enough as it is, borderline useless in some areas. Stop being cheap and get a mifi card. If you actually paid for a capped connection, you would be a lot more careful with what you were using bandwidth for.

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Yeah, we had something called planet connect it aimed at a tower, but it was highly unstable and their customer support sucks now.
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Have you tried these guys
ABG Wireless, LLC
Beasley Wireless Internet
Ken-Tenn Wireless
They are all WISPs in TN

tws101 said:
Have you tried these guys
ABG Wireless, LLC
Beasley Wireless Internet
Ken-Tenn Wireless
They are all WISPs in TN
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I've never heard of them, but I will mention them to my father. Thanks

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NO WAY at all huh. You can get a mifi card using the same network connection. You shouldn't be torrenting over hacked tether. I hope they cancel your account and they should. The bottom line it does affect other users & the network. Sprint's 3G is painful enough as it is, borderline useless in some areas. Stop being cheap and get a mifi card. If you actually paid for a capped connection, you would be a lot more careful with what you were using bandwidth for.
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Have you seen the price of a mifi card plan, its insane. My dad called them today to try and figure out why, and the lady could not tell him she just kept saying we violated the terms of service, he asked which terms we violated, she said "I don't know".... Yeah Sprint " ranked #1 in customer service" BS they can't tell us anything, that's 2 people from there giving out useless information. If there was another company in our area that actually had reasonable prices for 5 phones, we would let them drop us in a heartbeat. Thanks for your information though, no reason to be an ass though.

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How much data were you using a month?
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Too much, I guess we hadn't had internet that was more than 100kbps in well, ever so we NON-STOP used it, from playing games to watching Netflix.

Comet1966 said:
Have you seen the price of a mifi card plan, its insane. My dad called them today to try and figure out why, and the lady could not tell him she just kept saying we violated the terms of service, he asked which terms we violated, she said "I don't know".... Yeah Sprint " ranked #1 in customer service" BS they can't tell us anything, that's 2 people from there giving out useless information. If there was another company in our area that actually had reasonable prices for 5 phones, we would let them drop us in a heartbeat. Thanks for your information though, no reason to be an ass though.
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READ THROUGH YOUR CONTRACT. There are provisions regarding the use of tethering. Its not the CSR's job to know what you and a million other people signed, It is yours. Sprint does not offer unlimited tethering. It is a separate charge and even then it has a maximum limit. It has always been that way, don't forget tethering existed well before Android ever did. This isn't even an argument, no matter what way you twist this you're wrong.