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I nearly bought this phone tonight before T-Mobile decided to charge me full price. I decided ebay might be a better place to buy one instead of paying 500 dollars for an iphone wannabe. It looks like a nice phone. I really like the wifi feature. I intend to use the wifi in my home as I already have wifi though out the house in use with my wifes computer and my PS3. It seemed like it would fit nice. I want to be able to surf the internet and maybe use google maps and google talk via the phone and wifi. I assume that can be done. After reading a few reviews though I put a screeching halt on my ebay bids. The phone seems to suffer from serious memory issues. Every negative review dealt with the memory or lock ups which I assume were also memory related. It appears the phone ships with a slow processor and not enough memory. I have no problems with buys a microSD card in the 2 to 4 gig range if that will solve the memory issues. I intended on buying one anyway for the application storage. Will the additional memory solve the issues with the phone? Are there updates to the phone that will correct these issues possible since many of the reviews were written? Are there currently SAFE work arounds that would correct the memory issues? I am no stranger to fooling around with this type of thing but at 300 dollars and considering that I am buying on ebay, I'm affraid i wont be in a position to gamble with the phone. If made the purchase through T-mobile I could possibly return the phone but ebay is another matter. Many of the sales are final. I dont want this phone if it requires flashing Rom's or extensive worj arounds to get the phone working.
So I will rely on your opinions on whether or not to make this purchase. If not this phone..what phone? I use t-mobile and dont want an unlocked phone so it would need to be one of their available products. I hear the MDA isnt bad. I really like the idea of a windows mobile OS as it would allow me to put darn near any app on the phone I want to. I want WIFI. I want to be able to use google talk and google maps on the phone and I really like the idea of surfing the web for free on my couch useing full functioning browsers not those mobile editions. Any recomendations if not the Hearld/Wing? Can I get the Wing to work properly and not freeze, hang up, lock up, or require constant reboots?
Point Blank you will have to change the rom on the wing in order to get some performance out of it, I switched from the MDA and the first day I got the wing I wanted my MDA back, but after changing the rom I forgot all about my big fat MDA even though The MDA has a 1250mAh battery and the wing just has a 1130mAh Batt.
If you do not want to do a rom upgraded you can take a shot at the Shadow, which has twice has much built in Memory and Storage, but its just a smartphone not a full PPC ................
also the MDA has been Dis-continued so if you buy one it will be a re-furb.
on second thought, You might just have to change the paging pool size and that should free up some Memory. and its too easy to do, and you can also delete and uninstall some files and programs you have no need for
I saw a few articles about both the rom and the page file. In your opinion, is changing the rom a wise thing to do with little to no support? I know that rom updates are risky, but on computers for example, its such a slick and easy process that there is little to no risk. Would a rom update on the wing be a wise thing to do? Is the available rom from a reputable sourse or is this something "Cody the 12 year old" made? I really want to make this wing my next phone but I dont want a 400 dollar PDA/cell phone that does neither correctly.
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I saw a few articles about both the rom and the page file. In your opinion, is changing the rom a wise thing to do with little to no support? I know that rom updates are risky, but on computers for example, its such a slick and easy process that there is little to no risk. Would a rom update on the wing be a wise thing to do? Is the available rom from a reputable sourse or is this something "Cody the 12 year old" made? I really want to make this wing my next phone but I dont want a 400 dollar PDA/cell phone that does neither correctly.
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Hi,
I have not created my own rom, but have recooked a few version of the Touch-IT v2.3 wing by itje. Recooking a rom is a long process, creating a rom would take even longer.
I've flashed my wing over 80 times now during testing new roms and recooking.
I've bricked the phone a lot of times in the process but with the orignal ruu, its no big deal.
I'm pretty sure itje and other fine rom cookers in this forum are not 12 year olds.
If you want to buy the wing then buy it and tjem read the forum and learn how to flash new roms and change page pool size.
If you want a faster and more powerful phone then buy the Kaiser.
Thanks for reading.
funny you should mention the Kaiser. I just finished reading up on that one. Thats a serious phone. It's way more phone and money then I am prepared to pony up. Is this the next best option for me?
I didnt mean any offense on the 12 year old statement. I certainly wasnt refering to anyone in particular or members of this board. I was mearly trying to imply unproven rom techniques. It sounds like there is well tested processess probably on this board for flashing the rom. It will likely be a safe process for me.
Would there be another recomendation for T-mobile if not the Kaiser or the Wing?
T-mo currently has 3 windows based devices listed which are the Wing, The Dash and The shadow, both the Dash and the shadow are smartphones and not PPC .................. since you dont want to have to unlock another device to be able to use it, I would recomend that you get the wing and while its being shipped to you read this thread about changing the Paging Pool
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324955
When you get the phone try give the 4mb Paging pool a test (thats what I use)
and if you still do not like it or just want to see how much better it is try a Rom upgraded I recomend Touch-IT wing 2.3 cooked by itje and he is not the 12 yr old that beat you in online gaming ................ you can get it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=340403
The installation is VERY VERY easy, but make sure to read the instruction in the folder and if you skip a line you will brick your phone ......................... but if you do brick your phone its pretty simple to unbrick, just re-flash the official rom .................... I can't seem to find that link (or too tired to look) but if someone can post it please do, If i come home tomorrow and no one has posted a link I will upload it for you
great info. phone purchased and ill be sure to give those tips a go. thanks
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great info. phone purchased and ill be sure to give those tips a go. thanks
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Just a note. Make sure you read and then RE-READ the instructions provided with every rom. And its also a good thing to get the T-Mobile official RUU as once the phone is bricked, this is the only rom that will unbrick it. I don't want to scare you because it's actually a very easy process. I have flashed itje's rom to several of my co-workers (were all T-Mobile employees) with no unrecoverable issues.
Maybe I something missed or not...
I think everyone who use shift want that it become fullphone.
I`m sure that everyone ready to donate 50$ for this function.
but there are just one person who can do it, cmonex?
I call all to join to this who want this functionality we`ll make a foundation and donate money for this deal.
just one and final question to cmonex: will you do it and does it possible?
P.S. maybe someone other be able to do it?
why not,
I donate for SD Card funtionality too, if that works, we can porting Windows Mobile 6.1 to Shift, and maybe - later we can use Display drivers from HTC Touch HD
Maybe then the shift is useful
why not...
yes... count me in too... //_^
And then we could sell it to htc... hehe
Since they are incapable to give us a fully functional device, and they are not software supportive... to let us use it in higher computing speeds like ... not vista?
The vista thing is too much for the shift and you know it...
The shift is supposed to be a solution for the modern man, that has the need for a computer and a phone use simultaneously.
The shift is supposed to be a solution for us and not trouble...
I don't want to be radio waved by two devices every day... my Shift and my w810i ...
Honorably Yours,
P.S.
I 've made a small search about it's processor expandability.
And the news so far are bad... sort of...
They used a radio board that is not expendable.. at all... the processor socket is μFC-BGA663. A technology that has not been used for anything else... 0,90 nn in a parallelogram design. (not square!) As they use to.
The atoms are in a 0,45 nn technology with the μFC-BGA 478 and μFC-BGA 479 sockets...
I checked intel's site and i found that the information for the A100 and A110 "Steally" processors have only few information. AND THEY ARE NOT ON THE MAIN MENU!
They are allready passed the technology.
Why don't they make something in 0,45 nn for 663? (bigger chip more space... they could fit a quad or trio in there for crying out loud!... they have the tech to do it. They fit all ready dual cores in 478-9).
So forget about them too...
No daughterboard so far made to support another processor either...
So we could hope for a daughterboard ... but in a very small size :/
Anyway's ... if someone made this type of search and wants to share some information... i'm full ears. I'm really interested in upgrading the CPU.
Thank You.
50 US$: ok, but...
I would like to donate 50$ for this project (and I'll probably do that).
But do you really think that having a couple more of **** to "burn" should solve the problem? I mean: we're all beta-testers for new ROM's, and I read many posts of very clever people talking about daughterboards (and I really don't understand a single word of it, sorry ) . I mean: every strenght is just out there: people succeding in installing ubuntu or Xp Tablet, in changeing HDD, others waiting for new RAM to be produced, many cooking ROM's... Not to talk about software and optimization tips&tricks... What else do we need? I think: just some coordination, someone able to say "Ok, guys, we did this and we need to do that: let's try this way". Am I wrong?
So: if some of you needs his time to be paid I totally agree and I will give my contribution (I don't even want to think about any mean of "control" on the job that will be done), but if the only problem is to "beta-test" new solutions, sjust open a new thread, maybe naming it: "Do That On Your Risk"
Of course this is all IMHO
cmonex, where are you?
hehe, you all are right
normaly the best way is, to sell the shift and maybe you lose not to much money if you do that "now". Better to loose now 200-400€, as wait for semiprofessional solutions that comes maybe next half year. I buyed the Advantage X7510 befor i buyed the Shift, (better known as MDA AMEO 16GB) and they was **** too, i loosed as I resell them 400€ ;-) Then I believe in Shift, and this Device is not really better.
Best way is to buy a NET PC that is much cheaper - or if you want professional 8.9" Screen with Touchscreen (as sample) use the Fujitsu Siemens TabletPC Lifebook P1620. That is all much better to use, as an shift..
I´m really angry about HTC, I think, i have buyed most of all HTC´s that was sell in Europe, we have maybe 7000 USers with most Windows Mobile Push Services and most HTC Devices. But the quality is sometimes good, sometimes bad.
And the End of the Song: We have buyed 20000 Client Licences for Blackberry..
Sad, since 2001 I provide HTC Devices (or Operators branded HTC Devices) at the Side our customers and now I think that is the End...
I have try many other Devices from other companys then HTC, but most of them have same or related problems like HTC devices.
But for me is it not longer a problem, i have quit my job as technical responsible for that in our company last week and change to a other company - maybe then I have new Visions
howto deploy a Email Push Service for over 100000 Users
And maybe, it is not a WM Device, Not A Blackberry, maybe it is Nokia ´s Intellisync V9 Services, that works really stable on Nokia´s long powered S60 Phones.
And maybe: Nokia listen to my questions, improvements.
Maybe there is hope ;-)
Well, I think that there are two kinds of problems:
1. Software/ROM: and I just spoke of this a few posts ago.
2. Hardware: as much as you try to push Shift's functionality to the highest level, you'll always have to manage with RAM and processor... And as far as I can see, most of ROM's here published and cooked don't allow much more programs to be installed (I'm currently using Pli's ROM, and I just installed PhatNotes, then almost no more room for other things!!!). And I think that the most we try to get from our Shift, the less space we will have.
Anyway: when we bought Shift we all knew which were its limits, and more or less we accepted them. To me the only important missing SW is a web browser (PIE or Opera ). Not absolute need for GPS, and I can say I could live even without phone-on-shift.
As always IMHO
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Well, I think that there are two kinds of problems:
1. Software/ROM: and I just spoke of this a few posts ago.
2. Hardware: as much as you try to push Shift's functionality to the highest level, you'll always have to manage with RAM and processor... And as far as I can see, most of ROM's here published and cooked don't allow much more programs to be installed (I'm currently using Pli's ROM, and I just installed PhatNotes, then almost no more room for other things!!!). And I think that the most we try to get from our Shift, the less space we will have.
Anyway: when we bought Shift we all knew which were its limits, and more or less we accepted them. To me the only important missing SW is a web browser (PIE or Opera ). Not absolute need for GPS, and I can say I could live even without phone-on-shift.
As always IMHO
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I have to agree.
I bought the Shift as it was advertised, a UMPC with built in high speed wireless modem!
There is nothing wrong with people experimenting for developement to get more functionality out of it in a purely non-professional way, but as soon as people start demanding ROM's from enthusiasts (and treating them as if they get a warranty!) and complaining that the device is rubbish because it does not do something it was never marketed to do, then you know they have lost the plot.
Also, IMHO too..
Being a user of HTC touch that just died... :-( I am looking for my next Phone.
I have 24 hours to decide if I shall buy the Diamond or not. You are the best people to suggest as you are the current users...
I had a look at the diamond Pro but just too large and heavy for my needs
Your Suggestions will be highly apreciated. Also If you can recommend a good trusted online supplier in Europe that would be great too!!!
George the Greek
well if you liked Touch....you will definitely love Diamond (if u don't need hardware keyboard )
if u can afford it, get a Touch HD
If Touch Pro is too big for you, Touch HD is even bigger.
When it comes to size, you can't go worng with Touch Diamond. It is the size of a pager. I have bought a slim case for Diamond that I can wear on my belt. Loving it.
get a diamond
flash with a cooked rom...and your good to go
look here...just brought a item from them..ultra fast and great company
here is a start point for a diamond for you
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/16495.htm
if you take a diamond you MUST cook a newer rom, the original one could be a bit outdated & so... disappointing
Thanks but they seem to send only in UK .... I am currently in Malta.
:-(
liamhere said:
flash with a cooked rom...and your good to go
look here...just brought a item from them..ultra fast and great company
here is a start point for a diamond for you
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/16495.htm
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dont' worry bro... you can buy trought a good (direct) italian importer:
http://www.italianaimportazione.net/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=76
now they sell the diamond at 398€
bye,
davide
I bought the diamond 2 days ago...
If you want to install tools and go online with it... forget it! it's really slow!!
I prefer my old N81... much better!
And Windows Mobile... slow slow slow and windows-like (had to make 2 hard resets so far)
I'm thinking to give it bake and buy a N96...
not possible... with a light & recent rom you can reach the same performance as an iphone (I have a fellow with it)
for the navigation speed, if you go online only with umts, you have to increase some parameters in your registry, because they have a middle level values to work also with gprs connections
I saw the n96 the past weekend in a shop, I played a bit... very annoying, with a windows mobile even if it isn't perfect possibilities are undefined
Anymore feedback....??
Sounds like a 50 % Yes and 50% No so far... :-(
baisically, You do want to get a Diamond, as long as you dont ming playing with it to get it setup right.
If you havent had a windows mobile phone before, you wont notice the difference, its only people that have had a more baisic windows mobile phone before, with less feastures/graphics that say it is slow. because, comparatively it is.
Buy one, stick with standard for a while, then Flash a new ROM radio once you know your way around it and are comfortable with Hard SPL etc.
Thanks mugglesquop! I am pretty confident with upgrading Roms, SPLS etc ... you see being an owner of HTC touch had to do plenty of these upgrades
thanks once more.
WOuld you reccomend any decent europena online shop at good prices?
Handtec are pretty good, thats where i got mine.
I even managed to return it after it developed some problems...
these things do require work to get the best out of them but once that's done, boy do they shine . i have had mine for just over a month and am still on a stock ROM but i have tweaked it so much and can't stop touching it .
Best phone i ever had.
I bought htc and I sold it after a week, i thought that is slow etc etc, when i checked another pones didn't liked none of them so i decided to buy again HTC Diamond, when u get familiar with it after a month nobody will change it with any another phon just to remember you should not install to many applications because than will work slow like windows xp or similar.
regards
usually, as long as you install to Internal Storage (as opposed to memory) and you remember to properly shut programs (not minimise), you can have loads installed, i have! still runs very quick.
The device can do nearly anything you wish (as you are aware) and is nice and compact...you can even carry it in a shirt pocket
Of course you have to update your ROM (which you said you can and will do...) which is a must
However,...there is a cost of course to having such a light-weight device...power!!
If your prepared tocharge your device on a daily basis your good to go! You will also find the GPS frustrating...it works, but quite often you have put it in a circle of candles and pray for connections
All in all, I would recommend purchase.....however I'm looking forward to the "NEW" Diamond II when its dreamt up.....you know.... bug free
never had a problem with GPS...
First of all Hello everyone, I'm Luke and I'm pretty new to the windows mobile scene.
I've wanted a windows mobile phone for a few years now however price tags were not so appealing to me, but now I've purchased my first windows phone and it should be arriving tomorrow or within the next few days. It also seems that I've bought one at a good time as I'm happy to see a lot of development going on for 6.1/6.5 which is awesome - I like playing around with gadgets more than actually using them.
But here is the catch, whilst I've posted this in the HTC TD2 section here, the phone I've bought isn't actually a TD2. At least not an official one. It's one of the Chinese models found on eBay. I don't want a moral debate going on here - it was a bargain and it's my first step into using a Windows phone which I'm looking forward to for a decent price. It looks like a TD2 and the seller has claimed it is 'OEM Produce' however I don't believe him really.
What I wanted to ask was how will I go about flashing, updating, installing ROM's and the such on this phone? Will it be more than enough to follow instructions for a standard TD2? I hope someone here who understands hardware device and such will be able to clear that up for me.
The phone is using the same processor as the original TD2, and has the same resolution etc. Not sure if it has the same amount of ROM/RAM however it's being shipped with WM 6.1 so it has enough I presume. Are there any other hardware differences that will effect the ROM's I can use? Can I even use the same ROM's you guys are using? I don't care about the lower quality camera and less important things like that.
Thanks for any advice (sorry it was a bit long winded)
Please scroll down to see my most recent post! Thanks!
Thats is a very tricky question you are asking here.
First of all, nothing is certain or guaranteed of what you might receive there. After all, the product you receive will be a counterfeit phone, a fake trying to mock a real TD2. And as with any fake products you get the same quality issues. How do you know for sure that it has the same processor?? Just because they write it there? The same can apply to the RAM, ROM, Display etc.! It is in my opinion HIGHLY unlikely that the phone you will receive, will have anything in common (technology-wise) with the real TD2. The TD2 combines a lot of recent technology like that hd screen, cam and ram. What you will find underneath of yours might be a mash-up of older HTC phones like the Diamond or even older..who knows!? You can continue this uncertainty with the Windows that phone is running...it will be some homecooked release that is made to work with the components the phone features. As they will be different to TD2 as we have clarified earlier, the ROMs available here will most certainly not work ideally with yours....and i would be highly surprised to see a forum that will be dedicated to a fake TD2 lolz. Anyways, I think you get my point...I dont really see why you would ship yourself a chinese mock-up to start with a Windows Mobile phone...I dont, really. There are so many nice cheap hq HTC phones out there that still support 6.5 to-date. I have been using a HTC Excalibur (S620/621/Dash) for like 4 years and kept buying the same phone since then because i LOVE it. The quality is superb and it runs Windows Mobile 6.5 like a charm. You can pickup a brandnew unlocked one for $100 at the bay. Just a week ago i decided to upgrade and bought a new TD2...not here yet but same as you i am very excited Im sorry that i drifted off into a moral debate by the way
If you really want to embark on trying to update your phone you will have to analyze the rom closely to see what phone's ROM it is actually running. This will help you to find the according forum in here.
Good luck
I concur with vivid22, The internals of your phone will certainly be different to those of the original HTC build and as such you may have many unforseen troubles if you do flash the rom.
But if you decide to proceed with a rom flash i would be very interested to hear of your results.
You may also be interested in using some benchmark software and comparing how your phone performs compared to ours, maybe you can discover if the CPU is indeed the correct performance. Its all quite interesting.
Oh and welcome to the forums
Thanks for your responses guys! Very informative.
While I'm not going to respond to the most obvious statements like it being a counterfeit and it sucking etc in much detail because of course you are right! but I knew this when I bought it. The price is the real difference here and I don't mind if I can't flash it but I too am interested if it will actually work .
I'm still waiting for the phone to arrive and yes you both are right it has a very high chance that it is using different internals and I expect this, however the seller seems to state its using very similar hardware.
I will be more than happy to mess around with it, I guess I will dump the ROM first if I can then try installing some 6.5 etc - no problem trying I guess. I must say I've seen some clones from merimobiles.com (or something) with TouchFlo and I think even WinMo 6.5 but then again obtaining those ROM's will be a quest in itself. Not sure if mine is being shipped with TouchFlo, it has it in the screen shots on the listening but that really counts for nothing .
I have seen a few threads on these devices and their flash capability but not any with any definitive results so hopefully I can get the ball rolling. When I actually receive my product I will be able to tell if it is actually using the same processor, etc.
I believe you will find that Hard SPL will not flash to unlock your device.
Many here have tried with the same knock-offs.
Unlock in which way do you mean?
Network unlock? (assuming not)
Maybe worth noting: The guy who is selling these flashes the phone with the version of WinMo (language-wise) that the buyer asks for before shipping out. Meaning they can be flashed, however with what ROM's and what method I've no idea. Might ask him?
Ok if I'm going to poke around this I have two questions to ask that will help me determine things about the phone:
(They may seem very dumb but I just need to clarify)
1. Is there a way to find out the Hard SPL version without installing a new one? Like the current one it has.
2. Is it possible to get into the Bootloader no matter what Hard SPL version you have?
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Unlock in which way do you mean?
Network unlock? (assuming not)
Maybe worth noting: The guy who is selling these flashes the phone with the version of WinMo (language-wise) that the buyer asks for before shipping out. Meaning they can be flashed, however with what ROM's and what method I've no idea. Might ask him?
Ok if I'm going to poke around this I have two questions to ask that will help me determine things about the phone:
(They may seem very dumb but I just need to clarify)
1. Is there a way to find out the Hard SPL version without installing a new one? Like the current one it has.
2. Is it possible to get into the Bootloader no matter what Hard SPL version you have?
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No, SPL unlocks the OS, not the SIM.
Bootloader mode is how you determine your current SPL.
Okay. So I should be able to (hopefully) get into bootloader and find the SPL it currently has.
Well I guess thats it until I actually recieve the phone, cheers guys I'll post how I get on for the people who are interested.
It will be very interesting to hear about it. hope you get what you ordered?
God luck
Well, I'm back, for anyone who is interested!
Phone finally came, snow over here in the UK slowed it down haha!
So, the phone is very good for what I paid, and very nice.
I'd like to go about flashing it though, as it's currently running 6.1 with SPB Mobile Shell. SPB is very nice, but I really like the look of Touch Flo.
Now while cosmetically the phone looks pretty close to the TD2, it has a few things like no front camera (don't really care) and the zoom bar also seems to do absolutely nothing. The phone runs as smooth as it should. It has no g-sensor as far as I can tell, shame but doesn't really matter.
All of this sounds like it has no chance, I think it even has less RAM than it was meant to but I'm not sure... But here is why I am still curious about trying:
Windows Mobile is reporting that it is using the 528Mhz MSM7200A processor.
That is what I believe the real TD2 uses, correct me if I am wrong.
If this means it is using the same chipset or what-have you as the TD2, I don't know. This is why I need help.
Really, what I am asking, is what kind of things can I look at in the phone to tell what I could possibly flash it with?
Do you think the HardSPL utility you all use will work with it? Is there even any way to tell, or should I just try anyway? And could that break the phone beyond repair? Is there a way to find out the real specs of this phone, because it may have been modified so that it read that processor name?
What do you guys think. I'm willing to try all sorts, I just don't want to brick it with no way of getting it back that's why I am just asking for opinions before I do it anyway.
Thanks
You will brick your phone for sure if you try a rom for Diamond2, search this forum for chinese ROM (I saw it somewhere on another thread in Topaz section), but watch out that you will have a clean windows without customizations includind TF3D.
Hey guys just after some feedback about the sgs plus. My htc leo has finally bitten the dust and i dont want to purchase a major upgrade untill the rumored sgs 3. So in the meantime im looking for a decent replacement. So just want to hearawhat your opinion on day to day use, battery life, and if you generally happy with the phone. I know the ram is a bit on the low side considering whats on offer with todays phones but the 1.4gh cpu is appealing. Ill be using custom roms as well. Thanks for the help =]
jon
I would not buy a SGSi9001, as the roms, themes, and everything you´ll find here will be useless for you (no flash=no fun). If you are waiting for SGS3 (as many of us) you can buy a SGSi9000 (even an used unit). They are really cheap nowadays.
I dont get howd theyd be usless to me. Explain?
Not too keen on a i9000 id rather get a nexus same innards, more love from google. Only reason i9001 is appealing is because of the extra beef in the cpu.
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I dont get howd theyd be usless to me. Explain?
Not too keen on a i9000 id rather get a nexus same innards, more love from google. Only reason i9001 is appealing is because of the extra beef in the cpu.
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Explanation: SGSi9000 is a different phone than SGSi9001
So: ROMS, themes, and everything that has been made for SGSi9000 (a lot) will be USELESS for you if you buy a SGSi9001.