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Backlight on PDA2K running 1.40.00 WWE

Hello,
Have an unusual problem which is that I cant see the screen on my PDA2K even though the backlight is enabled and the brightness is set to maximum. This has been working fine and I havent installed any software recently. Is this a hardware problem or does someone have any other suggestions.
Holding on/off for 2-3 seconds does turn on/off the green and red buttons but the physical screen doesnt change. Same problem on battery or power
Any suggestions,

Problem was with a connection
Okay, Seems problem was a loose battery. Once I made the connection a little more snug, backlight came to life !!
Update: Problem still there, must be an intermittent wire thing, as sliding the keyboard up or pressing on the corner brings backlight to life. Guess I will be sending it in for repair !!

Backlight wont go off ....

i have set the back light to turn off after one minute in external power.
usb sync cable connected to pc and back light will go dimmer in one minute but not complete off.
anyone has this problem?

this seems to be the new behavior of the TyTN II vs. the old TyTN: The back light never goes completely off. You have to push the power button to put the unit in standby. When I listen to music, for instance, I want the backlight to go off to save power: I must push the power button to turn off the backlight. The music still plays, which is nice...
Anyway I'm not sure what to do about it when it's connected to a computer to sync, since pushing the power button would likely interrupt the sync. It doesn't bother me that the backlight doesn't go off.

Hi
I'd go as far to say this is the new behaviour of Windows Mobile 6. The Toshiba G900 was exactly the same. It is possible to get a small app to turn the backlight off completely however when it's connected to your computer via USB it isn't drawing power from the battery but from the computer so it doesn't matter, and it's just show you it is still on.
Regards
Phil

8525 running Black Satin WM6 doesn't do this, I don't think it's WM6

rite i dont mind the power consumption, but i cant go to sleep with the light on next to me, i like it off completely to save screen life too.

Hi
8525 running Black Satin WM6 doesn't do this, I don't think it's WM6
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With all due respect that is a cooked ROM and will not need to follow WM6 best practice or MS guidelines.
I think this happens with the Kaiser (like it does with the G900) because the LCD isn't transreflective. With a transreflective device, even in normal room light you can usually see what is on the TFT display, so the device can time out the backlight completely turning it off, and you still know it is powered on but just the backlight has gone off. With a non transreflective screen like the Kaiser, if the backlight did go off completely while the device is still on, you can not see anything on the TFT screen, so it looks completely off, but it isn't. So I think the dimmed backlight is so you know it is still on by being able to see something on the display.
You can see this happening on battery power. If the backlight is timed to go off before the device powers down, it doesn't go off completely but dims, then shuts off completely when the device goes into standby.
but i cant go to sleep with the light on next to me, i like it off completely to save screen life too.
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You have a few options:
1) Power off the device.
2) Press the standby button.
3) Turn it upside down or cover it.
4) Download this application that will let you turn off the backlight completely. http://ppcsoft.narod.ru/english/
i like it off completely to save screen life too.
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This will be making little different to your screen life. The backlight is made up of white LEDs, these will have a lifetime of around 50,000 to 100,000 hours (more when used at a dimmed setting) so will easily outlast the device even if running non-stop from the day you buy it.
Best Regards
Phil

ic, as long as its ok for the screen life i am cool with it. thanks for the input.

PhilipL said:
Hi
4) Download this application that will let you turn off the backlight completely. http://ppcsoft.narod.ru/english/
Best Regards
Phil
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This app would be good except that when you set the action to turn the light off in say 15 seconds it only does it the first time and then must exit itself because it won't do anything further until you reload it.
I need a program that stays resident and turns the light off after a set period of time. Pressing the power button isn't good enough because that stops a lot of apps running by putting the Kaiser into standby.
Anyone know of a program or fix?

The 8525 turned the backlight off no matter if you used stock or cooked ROM. The 8125 was the same way. Not until I got my Tilt did this "feature" arrive.

There may be some kind of a flaw in the programming. No, that never happens with a M$ program.
I was having the issue described in the thread, backlight stayed on. I played with my power and backlight settings and while searching for the answer my screen dimmed, even though it is connected via USB. I think if you go back and reset your backlight and power settings, that you will then see the desired effect on the PDA screen.
My settings:
Power= On Battery- 1 minute, On External- 2 minutes
Backlight Brightness= On Battery set to middle (half way), On External set to full
Battery Power Tab and External Power Tab- both set to 1 minute
The end result is that after 1 minute my screen dims to the lowest backlight setting. Screen is dim but I can still read what is there.

This is a very old thread, the backlight is always on because the Kaiser's screen is not transreflective like it's predecessor Hermes. If the light is out you will see nothing where you could with the Hermes. It's just the way it is with this model.

I have another question which it is related with the backlight and power off.
I tried to power off the phone by pressing and holding the power button. It asks me to confirm it. However, after the phone is "powered" off, it seems can be turned on by sliding out the keyboard.
Is it normal? or is it something to be fixed?
I have an ATT Tilt with stock ROM.
(just got it few days ago from ebay).
Thanks.

Down with new, weird "features"!
Lidberg said:
The 8525 turned the backlight off no matter if you used stock or cooked ROM. The 8125 was the same way. Not until I got my Tilt did this "feature" arrive.
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If I read your sarcasm correctly, I am in agreement that this is a dubious feature. I think there are a number of changes from 8125&8525 to "8925" that are questionable. I wish HTC would spend more time getting the hardware and basic features working perfectly, and less time adding new programs just to change the look.

Transflective . . .
RemE said:
This is a very old thread, the backlight is always on because the Kaiser's screen is not transreflective like it's predecessor Hermes. If the light is out you will see nothing where you could with the Hermes. It's just the way it is with this model.
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Everything I can find in searching says both the Hermes and the Kaiser have transflective screens, (as well as the 8125); e.g., from elite-electronics.com RE: the Tytn II: "color transflective TFT". [However, neither the 8125 or Tytn II have the technology that allows good viewing in daylight, like a Garmin Nuvi 350 or similar]
But if you can actually see something on screen on the Hermes when backlight is turned off, then that is truly different from the 8125 and the Tilt.

plchan said:
I have another question which it is related with the backlight and power off.
I tried to power off the phone by pressing and holding the power button. It asks me to confirm it. However, after the phone is "powered" off, it seems can be turned on by sliding out the keyboard.
Is it normal? or is it something to be fixed?
I have an ATT Tilt with stock ROM.
(just got it few days ago from ebay).
Thanks.
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This is normal behavior. If you don't like it...download KaiserTweak.
Under the Keyboard->Slide Wake option you can disable it.

cushcalc said:
If I read your sarcasm correctly, I am in agreement that this is a dubious feature. I think there are a number of changes from 8125&8525 to "8925" that are questionable. I wish HTC would spend more time getting the hardware and basic features working perfectly, and less time adding new programs just to change the look.
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Agreed. HTC - stop fixing what isn't broken in the first place.

cushcalc said:
Everything I can find in searching says both the Hermes and the Kaiser have transflective screens, (as well as the 8125); e.g., from elite-electronics.com RE: the Tytn II: "color transflective TFT". [However, neither the 8125 or Tytn II have the technology that allows good viewing in daylight, like a Garmin Nuvi 350 or similar]
But if you can actually see something on screen on the Hermes when backlight is turned off, then that is truly different from the 8125 and the Tilt.
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Transreflective is NOT in the HTC TyTN II spec but is in the TyTN I spec. You can't believe a reseller.
If you turn off the backlight on a Hermes and then grab a big flashlight and shine it on the screen, you can then easily see the screen, the brighter the light the better you will be able to see it.
If you try this with Kaiser you will quickly see that the bright light will make it impossible to see the kaiser screen, no mater what backlight setting you choose, and certainly not on low.
It's a simple test and I'm convinced on what I say.
That said, the Kaiser's transmissive screen is super bright in most mid to low light areas since transreflective screens are normally not quite as bright as transmissives.

how do i hangup a call?

how do i hangup a call?
the screen is black and therefor inaccessible after a very short while so i cant use the
on-screen red end-call buttun, and also the button on the right-bottom (phone-icon down)
doesnt work!!! (or sporadically: cant put my fuinger on that yet....)
i tried the tweak where my screen will stay up while having a call, but that one doesnt seem
to work on my rom-version or so? (standard 1.35 dutch version).
is there another (or new) way to keep the screen up while on a call maybe?
please help: this is highly annoying as you probably understand.....
Thanks group!

The (hardware) button on the bottom right should work normally if you want to end a call. It could be that there is just a little leg between pressing it (once) and the phone actually responding to it.
If you want the screen to pop on during a call, just press the power button on top of the phone. Could have figured that out yourself... (even by searching the forum)

what a problem.... lol.. did you assign the hang up button to something else??

thx guys!
no, not assigned to something else.
the power-button is ok yes, thanks. still: the screens display should stay on, right?
thank you!
much appreciated

babedieboe said:
thx guys!
no, not assigned to something else.
the power-button is ok yes, thanks. still: the screens display should stay on, right?
thank you!
much appreciated
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No the screen light will not stay on when your making a call. Simply put and its been repeated so many times on here now...that when you make a call the diamond light goes off as soon as the sensor senses that its near your ear...the sensor is next to the earpiece...clear little led light. What you can do to get around it...which is what i do is ring the number you want to ring and dont put it next to your ear until you get the vibrate ie when the call connects then put it next to your ear and the light should stay on...well it does on mine but if that dont work then when in a call just press the middle navigation button and that will turn the phone backlight on for you.

Spawn12 said:
No the screen light will not stay on when your making a call. Simply put and its been repeated so many times on here now...that when you make a call the diamond light goes off as soon as the sensor senses that its near your ear...the sensor is next to the earpiece...clear little led light. What you can do to get around it...which is what i do is ring the number you want to ring and dont put it next to your ear until you get the vibrate ie when the call connects then put it next to your ear and the light should stay on...well it does on mine but if that dont work then when in a call just press the middle navigation button and that will turn the phone backlight on for you.
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Spawn, you're absolutely wrong about the sensor... the screen light goes off regardless of whether you hold the phone against your face or not.. it's a timer..
Older phones like the Touch Cruise didn't have the sensor but yet it turns the backlight off after a few secs...
It's a timer setting in the Registry.
It turns the backlight off to save battery.

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Spawn, you're absolutely wrong about the sensor... the screen light goes off regardless of whether you hold the phone against your face or not.. it's a timer..
Older phones like the Touch Cruise didn't have the sensor but yet it turns the backlight off after a few secs...
It's a timer setting in the Registry.
It turns the backlight off to save battery.
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i thought spawn is right but i did a very simple experiment.
called my self from my fix phone and live the diamond on the table face up. i answered without picking the phone and after a few sec the light went off.
happyguy82-1, spawn and kukuriku-0
if there is a timer it has a registry and where there is a registry it has to be a "tweak".
btw, another way to have the light back and a safe background for yr ear is simply pull out the pen. you''ll get a note that will not bother anyone because it is not actionable by yr ear lol!
if you'll light on the screen with any other means you and your partner in the conversation will get for sure a few "beeps" when the phone pad is touched by yr ear.

happyguy82 said:
Spawn, you're absolutely wrong about the sensor... the screen light goes off regardless of whether you hold the phone against your face or not.. it's a timer..
Older phones like the Touch Cruise didn't have the sensor but yet it turns the backlight off after a few secs...
It's a timer setting in the Registry.
It turns the backlight off to save battery.
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Ermm no it doesnt...i just made a call to test your theory....didnt put the phone to my ear and when i did the light still stayed on. Left the diamond still connected for about a min or so and still the light stayed on...
On my phone i have the TLR version 1 rom running and made a few adjustments in the power settings so dont know if thats made any difference to the light staying on etc.

Spawn12 said:
Ermm no it doesnt...i just made a call to test your theory....didnt put the phone to my ear and when i did the light still stayed on. Left the diamond still connected for about a min or so and still the light stayed on...
On my phone i have the TLR version 1 rom running and made a few adjustments in the power settings so dont know if thats made any difference to the light staying on etc.
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you are right ...i think i didn't pickup the phone but i was too close, looking at the screen....and that was enough to start the sensor.
checked again keeping asafe distance from the phone and the screen doesn't turn off...

Searching for an application that keeps the light on

Hi guys,
does anybody know an application for the Diamond, that keeps the light on for certain programms? I´ve got the prob, that I´m using many Nav-Software on my Diamond. But the only programm that can keep the light on and prevent the Diamond getting into "sleep-mode" ist TomTom.
Now I´m searching for a programm, where you can for example click checkoboxes for certain installed programms where you don´t won´t that the light goes of.
It would be fantastic if there is anything like this software for my diamond.
To understand my probs. I´m using my Diamond for a flight navigation software an for me it is a huge problem when the light goes of during a traffic pattern before the landing
Thanks
GrEeTiNgS FiRuS

Go to Settings => Power.
There you'll find Yoda... err sorry, screen power off settings. Disable every power saving measure you find there and your screen will stay on.

Yes I know.
But to disable power saving does not solve my problem. Because then the phone stays on. For ever. And when I quit my application, the light stays on.
So I´m searching for a program that keeps the light on during an application. And when I quit the application it should go in "normal" power saving mode.
I´ve tested a little bit the last days but when I leave my phone in the kitchen and had the energy saving off, the phone stays on after a missed call and so the battery is empty on that evening.
So not a good idea.
Any others?

Try this:
http://www.pdaclub.pl/?option=com_files&Itemid=54&srv=-1&fid=681
It is in polish, but you can write a mail to author with questions.

Display stays on after midnight wake-up

Hi,
it's hard to believe no one asked this before but I could not found anything about this..
My Diamond (as probably every wm phone) wakes up at midnight.. but because I'm loading the battery over night it does not switch off the display completely but stays dimmed until i switch it off manally.. because it lays right next to my bed I really hate it doing that.
So is there a possibility to switch the display completly off during loading? I have the windows configuration the way that it should switch off the display after 1min in ac-mode.
Thanks in advance,
Michael

"My Diamond (as probably every wm phone) wakes up at midnight.. but because I'm loading the battery over night it does not switch off the display completely but stays dimmed until i switch it off manally.. because it lays right next to my bed I really hate it doing that.
So is there a possibility to switch the display completly off during loading? I have the windows configuration the way that it should switch off the display after 1min in ac-mode."
I'm having the exact same issue with my HTC FUZE.Wakes up, then stays in a dimmed mode until I put it back to sleep. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks
TJ

jus go to settings/power and change the setting of the backlight to turn backlight off after 5min on external power!!!

azharsunny said:
jus go to settings/power and change the setting of the backlight to turn backlight off after 5min on external power!!!
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The phone settings are set for backlight off after 1 minute (on external power). Once the phone wakes up, it stays on (in a dim mode) until I physically press the power button to put it back in the standby mode.

Why does it wake up at midnight?
Is it because you have installed a program that restarts it automatically?

i've noticed my diamond wakes up at midnight, feels like it doesn't go off, but does after a few minutes, all the buttons light up as well as if i a txt is about to come on, but the screen come on, i've only noticed it as i've been up late recently and i have the diamond on front of me on hy desk, my old orbit phone (which i keep meaning to sell) doesn't do it, so i can't see it being a wm bug

Weird.. My Diamond doesnt wake up at midnight

stead said:
i've noticed my diamond wakes up at midnight, feels like it doesn't go off, but does after a few minutes, all the buttons light up as well as if i a txt is about to come on, but the screen come on, i've only noticed it as i've been up late recently and i have the diamond on front of me on hy desk, my old orbit phone (which i keep meaning to sell) doesn't do it, so i can't see it being a wm bug
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Do you (or in the past) have G-Alarm installed. This fixes a windows alarm clock bug. It switches on at midnight to do some sort of maintenance. I have found my phone no longer stays on as you describe, but I always run the latest version of g-alarm
BTW - get your orbit on ebay. I did a buy it now auction and got £150 for my Orbit a few months ago

No More Issues
I have since flashed my ROM to the NATF 4.5 and I have no more issues with the phone coming on at midnight.

Mine used to do that too, the screen would come on and the clock also switches back to the big clock which I hate. After installing galarm it went away but the clock still switches to the big clock and I have to switch it back every morning.

My Topaz also wakes up at midnight and it feels like it won´t shut off! How long should this session last to reorganize all the things? G-Alarm is installed and since then I had this issue.
I could deactivate the midnight wakeup, but I don´t think this is recommend!? Is it?