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Question on using the extended ROM properly

I'm just starting to get into the depths of my PDA2K and this site is GREAT!!!!!!! Since I'm just one step up from "The Village Idiot", I have a couple questions for all you pros.
After reading about using the extended ROM, and unlocking it and seeing what's in there, I think I've figured it out. Whatever CABs are listed in the config file will be installed upon a hard reset....correct? If true, and since I have only 3.5MB left in Ex ROM, can I put the other CABs I wanted installed in say /storage/CABs, list them in the config file and upon a hard reset they will be installed? Is there any reason to put them into Extended ROM rather than Storage? Is it alright to put CABs in from like games, Resco Explorer, WebIS Mail, etc.? Lastly is there a way to set the programs up where I don't have to go back and enter all the registration numbers again?
Thanks a ton for your help!!!
Tom

In extended rom they are not taking up your precious storage space on the device.

cruisin-thru said:
In extended rom they are not taking up your precious storage space on the device.
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is it possible then to keep the installation cabs on storage card,
and also, can that path be set in the config file in ext rom?
what happens if a particular cab is not found after hard reset?
is the installation stuck or it just gives a warning and keeps on going to the next cab listed in the list.

Have a read of this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=83119#83119
It might be a bit to deep but should help you along the way.
1) You can keep a cab anywere you want
2) make sure your cab is read only as it can delete itsself after install.
3) to run a auto install from a differnet storage place you need to hack the reg (see thread).
In all if you have a sd card you could leave your EXt rom empty.
Hack the reg to the new postion and run the Autorun from there.
Have fun

Thanks for all the infor everyone! From what I've read in other threads I need to make sure that TPdisabled is set to off so that when programs like WebIS Mail and SplashID get installed I can touch the screen to make sure they install into the right place and other things. Correct? If this is correct, should I just remove TPdisabled all together?
Thanks again,
Tom

TPdisabled can't be set off, its either run or not run. So dump it and you wont have a problem

MDAIIIUser - Thanks for the link! I looked at it and you're right, it's pretty indepth and I'll have to read it more closely at a later time....like at work.
Question1: leochan2005 had a follow-up saying "why not use backup"? While I agree this would be easier, I'm assuming that by using your method one would get a much "cleaner" install than backing up all the crap that was on the system prior to the hard reset...correct?
Question2: It took me a long time to get my TMo settings setup on my PDA2K and I don't want to go thru that again. Is there a way to backup those settings so that they can be auto-configured at a later time? I read about making a personalsettings.CAB but haven't done it yet.
Thanks,
Tom

MDAIIIUser said:
TPdisabled can't be set off, its either run or not run. So dump it and you wont have a problem
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Thanks! I take it it should be at the beginning of the config file so that I can access it. Correct?

q1)
Well the short of "why not use backup" is you can if you feel that:
1) Restoring Regedit values from a lower rom version
2) Restoring system applications form a lower rom version such as BT
are called for, wanted or even needed.
I fail to see that point as a upgrade is an upgrade and a backup is a backup. Now you could do a restore of your system data also (which you could also sync and that would be clean
Q2)
Most fo those settings are part of T-mobile.cabs found in Extrom, the rest would have been reg entries that you are going to have to hunt for and copy.
So sorry no way around reading the other thread (personalsettings.CAB)

MDAIIIUser - Maybe I should state what I'm trying to accomplish and you could give me a clue as to how to do it. A couple days ago I upgraded by BT on my PDA2K (generic from Expansys) to 1.0.0.3900 (or what ever the latest is) and I'm currently looking at upgrading my radio to 1.12, but that would require a hard reset. I'm not in the mood to go thru all the program installs and SMS/MMS tweaking again, so I'm trying to figure out the best way to get all my programs and configurations back after the hard reset. I thought by incorporating the personalsettings.cab (for my Tmo settings) and your method I would be up and running pretty quickly. Yes? I have Sprite Backup, but I'm not sure if that's going to overwrite anything after the radio upgrade????
Thoughts?
Thanks!

Well my logic (that could be wrong) would say that a restore of your backup would get you to were you are now.
That you would need a restore as you have to do a hard reset after the 1.12 radion install.
But I can't answer the question will the radio be restored as well,
I don't know, I don't know the settings in the backup application, so am sorry I will have to let somebody else answer this one.

Another cry topic? WM6 bug

Yes, probably topic #1000 about this. But PLEASE keep reading.
I got the famous WM6 bug/error/whatever.
Symptoms:
- Access is denied error message when trying to copy files to the phone using ActiveSync.
- Access is denied error message when trying to delete any files or copy files between folders and/or the storage card on the phone.
- You do not have permission to download that type of file in Internet Explorer when trying to download any files.
- No programs show up in Remove Programs.
- Installation Unsuccessful error messages when trying to install any applications.
- ActiveSync will fail with an error message that you should start the troubleshooter.
It might have something to do with F-Secure I installed, and tried to uninstall (which ofcourse is impossible, since no programs show up in my installed programs/delete programs list). However, tons of ppl have had the same problem before so it has probably have nothing to do with F-Secure.
Now about the famous fix (which can be found for example here).
It's not working for me. Yes I tried this fix like 10 times, exactly like its written, sometimes a bit different, not using bold but Italic etc etc. I find #12 an inconsitency for example, since shutting it down and THEN doing a soft reset doesnt make any sense to me. Anyway I did like it said, and I still have all the problems I've had before.
My question: is there anyone that has had this bug before and DID fix it, or is there anyone that knows how to fix it after all? Or, last but not least, is there someone willing to rewrite the fix in uber noobish language, step by step, that might help me fix this. I'm quite desperate and totally not looking forward to hard reset my device. Thnx in advance
Some device information:
ROM Version: 1.93.404.1 NLD
ROM Datum: 07/10/08
Radioversion: 1.00.25.05
Protocolversion: 52.29.25.12H
Dutch provider Hi
No new roms installed, flashed stuff nothing. Just tweaks and programs installed.

I'm wondering if I should leave it like it is now and be patient for replys, or move/recreate this topic somewhere more "windows mobile"-like, since it might have something to do with the OS itself, and not just my kind of mobilephone ...

Sorry to hear your problem. I'd came across the problem once and YES the fix doesn't cure all the problem.
Luckily i've backup my PDA using sprite before the problem starts. What i did: 1) Hard reset the device. It will CLEAR ALL the memory and restore to factory default.
2) Reapply my first backup. (if you have it, if not, just reinstall everything). Remember though your backup in activesync might not be sync again! - that what happen to me. Luckily i have a copy in my Hermes.
3) My PDA is back to normal!
4) Careful when you modding your PDA. Just don't get mad to those that tries to help, some might not work on your device depends on what ROM you're/they're using. If anything goes wrong, just accept the fact that its your fault and -ALWAYS- have a backup ready. Just Hard Reset.

And I'm sure you're familiar with the lack-of-a-backup-till-I-need-it thingy ... I'll go mayhem on MSWM if I'm losing my photos and texts ... Contacts I can copy or just rewrite, but damn, my photos :s Thnx for the reply tho.

If you keep it synced with your computer/outlook, there shouldn't be much of a problem.
Ever since my first WM device, I've kept a list of all changed settings, etc. A hard reset isn't really that big of a deal. You do it, reinstall a few apps you had, change some settings from the cheat sheet you keep, sync with outlook, and you're good to go.
Think of your Diamond as a slave device to your regular PC. Sure, you apply a few tweaks to it, but other than that all your data should be on your PC.

Yeah and foto's and text messages and contacts ?? All gone, hard reset not that much of a deal I find it quite frustrating =(

Dead Xda IIS

Guys, i need some help. Recently i came across the rom update for my xda iis, so i decide to take it out of my drawer and see if i can update it with HELMI_BA_WM6_R0_Public. I followed all the steps and try to upgrade it, after i click on HELMI_BA_WM6_R0_.exe, my xda iis restart on cradle and after that nothing happen. I notice it only appear on the top with the word "serial" and the bottom "v2.06". I have tried in vain to get it working again, please try to help as im very new to this. Im using window Vista.

since apparently, you are not that experienced in flashing your device, i would recommend you use windows xp to flash your device.
then you have a look at this wiki wizard:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade1_WM2003SE0
this is a step by step instruction on how to upgrade from wm2003 to wm6.
please follow it precisely, even if you don't see a point in certain steps, they are all important!!!
if you, however, don't understand a step or a phrase, feel free to re-post, and i will explain it to you in more detail.
have fun with the upgrading, one word of advise: take your time, the first upgrade with storage resize radio upgrade, sim unlock and other stuff can last an hour or two (not the upgrade itself, but the process you go through). when you remember the steps and feel like you want a different rom, after testing this one, all you have to do is donload a "nk.nbf" file and flash it, and the entire update takes you 5 minutes then

Hi Chef_tony, thanks for the reply. I went to the link u gave me and from the 1st step on im stuck. It ask me to download both the unlocker and Repart and place it on the phone, but i cant do anything with the phone except for the "Serial" on top and "V2.06" below, it does change to "usb" when i cradle it. please help. thanks again

ok, then at that point you are stuck in boot loader, that happened to me too.
the reason for that might not be that interesting to you now, but it is because vista in the middle of the flashing process vista thinks it needs new drivers, downloads them and then it disconnects the device, something that shouldn't be done while flashing, as everyone knows.
these wiki links explain how to flash from vista using modified drivers, but i wanna tell you in advance, that i personally never got it running, i always use a windows xp machine:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade4_Vista
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade4_Vista_Pic
so, still i want to state that the best way to flash is a xp computer, if you have access to one, use that to flash your original shipped rom first, to resize the storage (first wizard step) afterwards.
theoretically, a virtual machine, running xp would also work, if you still have an xp cd lying around, you can download virtual pc 2007 from microsoft, it is free and you just need a short time to set up a virtual xp machine, because i can guarantee you, you will flash more than one rom, once you started on the topic.
remember, you need to flash your shiped rom, then you want to flash the helmi rom, then maybe a rom update and probably you are not staying with that rom forever, since it is wm6, there is also wm6.1 and wm6.5 to follow that.
what i want to say is:
- try the flashing with vista option described in the wiki links above
- if that doesn't work, try to get to an xp computer and follow the steps
- flash your original shipped rom first
- then the wiki wizard steps in again

Problem is solve, thank you so much chef_tony. my next question is...where can i get wm6.1 rom as all the link i had is dead

according to another user, this thread's links are still working:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403421
but it does not contain office. (you can still try other office download links, if you need it)
just by the tiny size of the extrom i would say there is hardly anything contained, but anyway, that is a rom i used too, and it is quite nice, also look up IOLITE stuff in this forum for extra apps.
make sure to repost if everything went to plan

I found a working wm6.1 pro on another website and its working great! It contain office as well. Thing now is i didnt adjust the memory and i didnt have enough space to install every software that i had
This is the link http://www.4shared.com/file/66810499/8a61be24/HTC-BA5220758WWE_v302_25M_PP-16M_RAMdisk_a.html?s=1
By the way chef_tony, you happen to have any idea how to open up BA, cause i would love to clean it up on the inside.

1. the thing is, the storage resize is important for 2 reasons:
- sure, with the resize you woulld have 16mb more storage memory for installing programs and storing stuff
- you still have your original extrom on the device, which is not compatible with newer roms, meaning, instead of simply copying the extrom to an sd card to have a basic setup and installing programs you need to install cabs manually
which is why i said to follow the steps precisely, now you have 16mb of space you simply can't access from wm6 at all, and for a resize you'd have to go back to wm2003 first but give your rom a try first, maybe it is not the perfect one for you after all, then you still have the opportunity to re-flash.
2. i am glad you found a valid link, many people post their roms to hosters that take it down after a while, expecially when there are no more downloads of that item, and so, many links posted here half a year ago are not working anymore, which is sad, since there are still a lot of people, including you, that would like to go to wm5, wm6 or wm6.1 and not just the newest wm6.5 builds, but, whatever, you found your rom and hopefully kept the files stored on your pc for future reflashing...
3. there are two basic disassembling guides for the BA:
- the official service manual (also good for repairs, since they explain each step):
http://www.4pda-service.ru/netcat_f.../BLUE ANGEL/HTC_Blue_Angel_Service_manual.pdf
- the manual made by a forum user:
http://www.land-of-kain.de/ppc/mda3/disassembly/
i am glad it all worked out for you so far and you will realize that this old device has a lot of potential, when you keep it up to date (and clean ).

Thanks you so much for the help. I'll try to update if the link is dead someday, by the way..i have 43mb storage and 84mb programme, is that good or bad?

the program memory is normal, but the storage should be 16 mb more, so instead of 43.XX you would have 60.30mb.
that is the extrom resize mentioned before.
- you need to flash your original rom for that
- then copy the "xda-developers unlocker" and the "repart_doc.exe" to your device. (attached below)
- you install the extrom unlocker
- then you go to start menu and extrom unlocker
- you execute "unhide"
- then unlock
- then start the repart_doc and set the size to 128kb
then you can lock the extrom and hide it again.
maybe in that process there is a soft reset required, i don't remember.
the reason why you do all that is because the extrom memory is hidden and locked and contains a bunch of cabs, that install automatically, when you hard reset the device.
so after that, you can reflash your wm6 rom, and you'll see, that after you resized and formatted that space, your memory dialogue will show 60.30mb of storage memory (plus it gives you the opportunity to install wm6 extroms from the sd card).

Help me PLEASE...

I got the O2 Xda IIs Model PH20B and now upgraded to ROM Version 6.50.28WWE. Radio Version 1.12.00, Protocol Version 1337.42. The CPU is PXA263 wuth 400 MHZ and 112MB RAM. Flash Chip type 28F128K3
The office mobile doesn't work anymore, the things that haven't worked before (like PSSHutXp, TomTom etc) don't work. It can't be connected to any computer not by Active Sync on Windows 2k or XP, and not with Windows Mobile on Vista. I have a lot of icons duplicated on the desktop with (1) behind the name aka Calendar and Calendar (1) and can't get rid of them.... what can I do? Can any one help me please? I am ready to throw that thing out of the window!
Thanks a lot in advance

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I suggest you to do a hard reset...
Have you dit it when you was upgrading?
Because after upgrade you have to do it, to avoid problems with some pieces of applications , that have been left in your memory...

thanks for your reply, much appreciated. Yes I did hard reset it, it won't even use the Extrom on the SDCard to give me office or anything, even it said the cabs are installed. Stupid thing!
I now went back to the original O2 crap old ROM and search for 6.1 but I can't seem to find one that works, the ones I found on here don't install right away but go through syncing, which mine won't so it keeps saying the device doesn't respond lol. I think I seriously give up soon and just throw it out I had enough, and I am good with computers etc usually, I build them and all, just I never had a PDA before.
Anyone know something?

if it didn't use the extrom from the sd card you probably still have the internal extrom in the device and forgot to format and resize it before you first upgraded to wm5 and above. what you need to do to get rid of all that old crap is:
1. downgrade to your shipped rom, remember, now that your device is WWE, you need to use MAupgradeut_noID and botloader to avoid country id and device id errors.
2. download xda-unlocker.cab and repartDOC.exe and put them on an sd card. install the unlocker.
3. run the unlocker by going to the start menu, EXTROM tools, click "Unhide" then "Unlock"
4. run repartDOC and set the size to 128kb
5. run the unlocker again by going to the start menu, EXTROM tools, this time click "Lock" then "Hide"
6. now your device does not have the internal extrom anymore, meaning you have 16MB more storage capacity and you can use extroms coming from the sd card.
7. then flash back the new rom, say wm6.1, again using the MAupgradeut_noID and bootloader mode.
8. when done, perform a hard reset, notice that the procedure for hard resetting changed, (press reset+power+record+camera)
9. in the menu appearing, the options ARE set:
Enable KITL: YES
clean registry hive: NO
format storage: NO
using the camera and record button, flip all the settings, so it says:
Enable Kitl: NO
clean registry hive: YES
format storage YES
10. confirm with the mail button, your screen turns white, and after some time, the device boots and installs the extrom from the sd card.
that is the procedure to go through, when first upgrading to wm5 and above and since your device made special problems, my wildest guess would be, that you forgot to resize the extrom, which is the reason the sd card's extrom was not loaded. plus you probably performed no hard reset or did it wrong, which is why the device was filled with garbage even after flashing a new rom.
if that manual was to fast, or you didn't get any of the things above, there is a wizard (assistant, not the device) in the wiki, to guide through the upgrade process, there you will also find the download links for the mentioned unlocker and repartdoc:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade1_WM2003SE0
that link is already one step into the problem and starts with the extrom resize, assuming that you flash your shipped rom first, and need no help doing that.
remember: you cannot resize your extrom from wm5 and above, for your device to run properly, you need to go back to wm2003 first.
have fun and good luck with that

Thank you very much Chef Tony. I was willing to put it up for sale but I will try what you suggested once again, even I am sure I ran through it all and did it, but it doesn't hurt to try it again. If I am still too stupid to use the Blue Angel, or still don't get along with it, I can always sell it afterwards.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
UPDATE:
I have done it on my XP computer this time, not Vista, and it worked. The other thing I did wrong, no laugh at me if you want LOL, but I am a novice and have my blonde moments , and never did this before, I unrared ALL the files in the EXTROM Folder... this time I only unrared the main folder and put them all on the card as they were inside that unpacked EXTROM Folder. Works like a charm now and the programs are installed and I can use it... saves me a LOT of money as I was ready to sell everything I have to sell to get the iphone, now thanks to you I can use the XDA IIs as it should work.
I owe you one! VIELEN LIEBEN DANK FUER DEINE HILFE.

Upgraded Qtek 9090

Well, I'm new here in the forum, come and ask for help from everyone, because I tried everything, and frankly I'm kinda tired of reinstalling everything without being able to update my QTEK WM6, when he ta with WM3 SE, follow the tutorial here, but always get stuck at the run the update because it does not show the version being installed and not installed on the device, therefore I can not continue.
Sorry for bad English!
I await help! = \

Look oque appears when I try to go anyway!
Apparently the software to using is not appropriate for the QTEK9090 WM3 SE.

well, i would guess, either your device is not in bootloader mode or your activesync is not successfully killed, also have a look at these detailed instructions and make sure, you are performing every step in that order, because people seem to reduce the upgrading to 5 steps and miss out on other important steps and then wonder, why they got close, but could not actually upgrade. this should help you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4706441&postcount=2

Well, I stopped at the next part because I was concerned:
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6. Click "Format now!"
7. Soft reset
8. Go back to the Extrom Tools
9. Lock "
10. "Hide"
11. Now proceed with "Upgrading to WM5 / 6 device" "
Format does not reset the contents of some memory? XD
And so, my device is already unlocked, just that I do not know if this release is the same as reported in the tutorial, because the release did was running a program, and only, I put no chip here and recognize.
Well these are my doubts before proceeding, take better now than screw up =).
And thank you for your help buddy!

And type, that WM6 signature, it is recommended?
Thanks =)

i don't understand your problem with that.
that part is about the extrom, and whether you format the extrom during using the device does not matter, because it is only used after a hard reset. the extrom is a special hidden partition that contains cab files, provided by your carrier or the phone manufacturer, that are supposed to customize or brand the device after the initial start. since that is never used again and only contains crap in the first place, it is recommended to delete that partition and merge it to the storage space, to be able to install more stuff.
also, you should not be afraid to format any partition, because when you flash a new rom, you format the entire device anyways. if there is still stuff, you don't want to lose, you should make a backup asap.
also, in case that was misunderstood, that unlocking has nothing to do with sim-lock or anything.

Hmm, then this procedure is only if I want to increase the storage space? I could skip that part?

you could skip that part, but why would you want less storage space. you know, the gigantic ram partition is not there in any build above wm5, you only have 43mb of storage space, why not make it 60mb, it is more. that extrom partition cannot be accessed from a higher operating system, there is no advantage in keeping it. it could even result in problems, when installing the newer roms' extroms, because they are supposed to be on the sd card and for some people, they don't work, if they didn't take care of the old extrom first. and now is the only opportunity to do it. once wm 6.5 is flashed and you realize, you're running out of storage space, after installing internet explorer, office, .net framework, maybe another browser and your pim data, maybe an mp3 ringtone, you'd have to go back to wm2003, increase the storage size, and then flash wm6.5 back and install everything all over again.
so, extrom resizing:
PRO
+ significantly more space
+ faster running device
+ no problems with installing wm6.5 extrom
+ no old baggage which you cannot use
+ you will probably do it anyway, now it takes 3 minutes to do it
CON
- no downside here
i see that since you are a rather new member and probably don't know, what every little step is for, but i put that in the tutorial for a purpose, so people don't make the same mistake i made: to skip that and go to wm6 directly, i regretted it and had a lot of work going back and clearing out the mistakes done before. this is a one time only process, whenever you decide to flash another rom, you will only need to do the "upgrading a wm5/6 device part", which will take about 10-15minutes overall. also there is no need to worry, this process is completely reversible, whenever you feel uncomfortable with your custom rom and for any reason you want to get back to the factory defaults, you can do that, so you have nothing to lose here
i hope these were enough reasons for you to keep going and follow procedure

I deeply appreciate your explanation, now I just wait for rapidshare free slots that I could download the necessary files and try again an update, yes, I'm afraid of running out of equipment, I'll try it again ^ ^.
When I start the procedure again and any problem I may have or if God willing I can update I've been posting here.
Again for the help

How can I tell you, thank you for your explanation was fine, because I almost died here at the time that tava installing WM6, gave the fall of light, more then I redid the procedure and installed by a faster ^ ^.
Chef_Tony, taking advantage, you recommend me some programs or games? ^ ^
And to make the topic too, you understand the Audiovox smartphone? It is similar to the QTek, a client of mine has this machine that only the poor ta destruidinho, the touch and cracked his ex-owner tried to install WM6 on the device as it is not possible and now the device does not leave the screen colors, enter the serial screen and everything, only that it will be to recover from that?
Sorry for the inconvenience.
The model is the Audiovox PPC 6600.
Anyway, thank you for all patience and clear ^ ^!
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Interestingly, you can change the items on the Home screen? Why is a lot of things that do not use and would be interesting to place objects that use it '-', I liked the format, just do not like the items, just wanted to change items xD