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[ASK] Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional

Yo All!
Is there a *Clean* version of WM6.1 Pro? It is better for the users to have their own softwares to install.. Cos, its a waste of space if we don't use 'em... Well, its just an opinion.. Thank You! Especially for Syed Ather and c_shekhar..

If i had my Hima rite now...u would have had a Clean ROM with The latest build by tonight
i can cook a perfect rom in less than 25 minutes

Thank You Very Much!! I'll be waitin'!

you dnt understand...I dnt have a Hima any more ( broke it while repairing )

crazyboy12345 said:
Yo All!
Is there a *Clean* version of WM6.1 Pro? It is better for the users to have their own softwares to install.. Cos, its a waste of space if we don't use 'em... Well, its just an opinion.. Thank You! Especially for Syed Ather and c_shekhar..
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May I update you here.
The ROM is of Fixed size and takes the same quantum of space on device whether loaded with applications or not. Thats why The efforts always remain to utilize every bit of spare space in ROM by packing in it the application softwares/utilities.
If you take an absolutely clean ROM and install the same applications on it separately, you land up wasting the precious storage memory. And you know very well that on Hima the storage memory is only 30MB. So packing as many utilities as possible inside the ROM is always useful.
You would be surprised to know that on my device I have embedded following utilities inside the ROM (customised for my use)
1. Phatpad
2. Smart secretary
3. neotiles (a game)
4. Handy Shoppers
5. rlToday 1.22
6. Call SMS blocker
And with more than 600 cotacts mail/sms synchronization still have abt 11MB of storage free.
I hope it can give you some idea on this issue.

Yes I agree with you master c_shekhar. but you should pack the utilities of most intrest in the ROM. It is good that you have removed many of those junky types in your new release.
I have downloaded the new version 6.1.2a16CS which is a new build 19209. And shall report you once I flash it.

Hi guys, maybe you could try another ROM from PDAVIET forum.
http://www.pdaviet.net/showthread.php?t=23970

c_shekhar said:
May I update you here.
The ROM is of Fixed size and takes the same quantum of space on device whether loaded with applications or not. Thats why The efforts always remain to utilize every bit of spare space in ROM by packing in it the application softwares/utilities.
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Okay... I'm currently downloading yours... The WM6.1 6.1.2a16CS .... it looks promising!

it would be cool if we could put the contents of the ExtRom to an SD-Card and decide for ourselves what software we want on our Phones, that would be great.

You can, very easily, as with the previous rom

c_shekhar said:
May I update you here.
The ROM is of Fixed size and takes the same quantum of space on device whether loaded with applications or not. Thats why The efforts always remain to utilize every bit of spare space in ROM by packing in it the application softwares/utilities.
If you take an absolutely clean ROM and install the same applications on it separately, you land up wasting the precious storage memory. And you know very well that on Hima the storage memory is only 30MB. So packing as many utilities as possible inside the ROM is always useful.
You would be surprised to know that on my device I have embedded following utilities inside the ROM (customised for my use)
1. Phatpad
2. Smart secretary
3. neotiles (a game)
4. Handy Shoppers
5. rlToday 1.22
6. Call SMS blocker
And with more than 600 cotacts mail/sms synchronization still have abt 11MB of storage free.
I hope it can give you some idea on this issue.
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A fresh clean minimal rom would be good for messing around with Ather90's and others rom kitchens c_shekhar, mabey you could post one made with the latest build 19209

Jadel said:
You can, very easily, as with the previous rom
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thanks for clearing that up

my question is if u put lots of programs into the program memory, and cook it, will the device become slow like hell?

boby1911 said:
my question is if u put lots of programs into the program memory, and cook it, will the device become slow like hell?
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Dont mix up the things.
The ROM size is fixed. So it does not affect the program memory.
If you simultaneously keep active many programs then the free program memory get reduced. And if the free Prog memory is too less then the device becomes very very slow.
AND, The device may become slow even if you are not left with sufficient Storage memory. So availablity of both type of memory is important..

if i may add:
ROM: (Read Only Memory)
Size: 30 MB
Purpose: Keeps all installer files (Operating System, Applications) runs only after every HARD RESET.
Features: Cannot be ERASED except my FLASHING. (in step 2 at flash, it says..erasing ROM data)
RAM: (Random Access Memory)
Size: 128 MB (distributed to Program Memory, Storage memory, Ramdisk)
Program Memory needed by device to run programs (like DDR module in a computer), this is reset every time you reset your device.
Storage Memory, is used to store programs installed in device (like a harddisk in a computer), this is soft and supposedly hard reset persistent.
RamDisk, is a storage disk that is generated by converting some RAM as storage area. (much like a 2nd harddisk for installing programs), this is soft and hard reset persistent, which IMO is dependent on the state of your backup battery, mine loses data most of the time.
so total memory you have in XDA 2 is:
ROM 30MB
RAM 128MB
in wm2003 and previous ROMS, this is defined as:
ROM 30MB
RAM 128MB - 64MB program, 64MB storage, with slider provided to move memory allocation.
in wm5,6,6.1
ROM 30MB
RAM 128MB = PROGRAM+STORAGE+RAMDISK
i hope i get this right, but this is how i understand this, corrections would be welcome.

paulpax said:
if i may add:
in wm5,6,6.1
ROM 30MB
RAM 128MB = PROGRAM+STORAGE+RAMDISK
i hope i get this right, but this is how i understand this, corrections would be welcome.
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STORAGE is not part of RAM. Rest of understanding is OK...

Software installation - Device or Storage?

I have just done a ROM upgrade to WM6.1 and plan to reinstall the various apps I hade on the TyTn II (which is only a week or so old). I have searched on Google and looked in the Wiki, FAQs and searched the forums with all manner of search terms but cannot find an answer to what may be a dumb question.
When installing apps is it better to install on device or storage (where the option is offered)? I would have though Storage better to keep memory on device free but wonder if certain progammes and any files they create when being used are better or essential to run on the device because of either pathname issues or speed of access?? Any help appreciated.
I plan to re-install:
Phat Notes
List Pro
SPB Wallet
Co-Pilot
Sprite Back Up

You understand the issues already. I don't use any of those programs so cant comment on them specifically but I install the few bit's of software I do use on my device and only Tomtoms maps, my music and my user created things like docs and photos go on my storage card - thats simply because there isn't enough internal memory to hold all of that and I don't want to run the risk of programs not being available if I take my card out (although that doesn't often happen). I've found that installing Tomtoms voices to internal memory sometimes helps prevent missing words and problems with voice navigation otherwise you could just test out things each way and see which you prefer.
People here have reported they can load many programs at once and the TyTN IIs memory management capabilities keep on top of the situation to prevent running out of internal memory. Unless someone else here has experience installing all those programs both ways, I suspect you'll need to try it and see which you prefer.

Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.

IMO, its better to load programs on your memory card so that you don't clutter up your phone memory and consequently slow it down (to be honest, i have never faced this on my TYTN 2, but i guess its a habbit from my Atom days...) I only load today plugins (like Ultimate Launch, RL Today etc..) on the phone 'cause these programs don't work if you load them on the card.
I use Destinator for GPS and this program installs itself on the phone by default, so I copy the destinator folder to the card and overwrite the shortcut for the .exe file in the windows>programs folder to make it work from the card...
So here's my pick
List Pro - Memory Card
SPB Wallet - Memory Card
Co-Pilot - Memory Card
Sprite Back Up - Memory Card
I like my phone clean...

Thanks. After more pondering I think installing all on the device may be better. I can get a full back of them all then using sprite and, as you say, if I take out the SD, or if it dies, I will have no access to data. The programmes are only small and even their files (which i suppose I could create on the storage) are small. I think that create on device, store on device and back up to storage may be better. I will be unlikely to install much else other than Mobile Shell and Phone suite by SPB.
That said I MIGHT go the Card route. No perfect answer I suppose. I'll try the ROM upgrade then a card install first perhaps. If I don't like I can always re-install on the phone. I suppose it's easy enough to back up the card contents and the back up/synch options with the programmes should allow back ups on the main PC (or even My Docs on the phone).

pdaPhone_TM said:
Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.
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I second that.

Before the Kaiser I used to put the few programs that were really system-related and/or that I'd still need if the card was out (utilities, explorers, startup items, programs that had today plugins) on the device, and all the rest and big apps on the memory card.
But the Hermes had 40MB free when fresh and empty after a hard reset. Now my Kaiser has about 120MB free when empty, so I just put everything in the internal memory, including MioMap with my country's map, and GPS tuner with maybe 10MB of JPG maps. The only exceptions are 2 very large apps (60MB together) that I anyway barely ever use but just have "in case", those are on the card.
And even after that I still have 35MB free on the device

It use to be a challenge choosing which ones go on main memory or SD card. Some were a no brainer, like Memmaid or Resco Explorer. The very nature of their operation dictated they are on main memory. As another stated, if it was a start up program it had to be on main memory. Sometimes it was a trial and error to find out.
With the Kaiser and its massive memory increase, now my rule is, everything goes to main memory and only games go to the SD card. I still have over 40mb left, and that’s more than my last phone had to start with!

Having pondered even more!!!! Think I may go the device route for the small apps AND keep their files on the device (using the SD card for back ups along with the PC). I may do a split install for the Co Pilot sat nav. Seems more sensible to have the APP installed on the device but have its maps installed on an SD. Figure the maps will eat up a horde of memory on the device. I'll likely also use the SD for photos and music.
Having done it all the other way round I'm now ever pondering:
Clear Storage (hard reset)
Re-flash ROM for clean system
Hard Reset again (which seems to be good practice)
Install all in the right places!!!
All this MAY be a bit drastic and I wonder (seeing as everything is currently working!!) whether simply an uninstall/re-install of the apps might be good enough or even a hard reset followed by re-install.

Hard reset already clears your system, no need to reflash. Do a hard reset and reinstall your stuff, that's it.

Thanks. I ay do just that. Only thing I didn't do (I think) is hard reset after I installed the ROM so I'm wondering whether to bite the bullet and completely do the whole lot again in case in not hard re-setting after flashing I've stored up some future problems.
Also, on the sat nav front, any thoughts on this? I was wondering whether to put both the programme (Co Pilot) and the maps on storage or put the programme on the TyTn and just maps on storage??

i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.

goodpill said:
i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.
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I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?

GWelker62 said:
I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?
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i like to keep maximum memory free. usually only run a program or two at a time but i have some rather large data files in email etc.
just a personal preference from many years of pda's

[Q] Restore memory?

Does anyone have / know of a way to restore the program memory back to it's original state without having to soft-reset? I've tried Memaid, Oxios Hibernate, SKTools, etc, etc...
Anyone who has used a Diamond for more than a day will know that program memory just disappears, even after killing all applications and running one of the apps mentioned, it just won't come back! I've discovered some ROM's are better than others, but none of them are what I'd call 'reasonable' at memory managing.
Where does it go to, and why is a soft-reset needed to get all available program memory back? Any development wizzes got an idea on this?

I'm using ipaq 6818 with nhocbanme cooked rom. he was added a software called FREE MEM to OEM but it's only able to recover some of missing memory. Normal memory after soft reset 28 - 30mb. after several times use for activities it'll drop to 17 - 23mb which all app has been killed via task manager. after do free mem it's only recover about 1.5mb and couldn't totally recover like first time after soft reset. but it's Ok for me since this nhocbanme cooked rom is very fast and very very stable for my ipaq 6818. the minus is this rom looks very dark. if u are not change the folders icon

It seems that WM is bad at managing memory and lets a number of bad programs take up space after closing. Opera seems to be one of the worst culprits; I wish we had a better browser for the Diamond.
NoTSR helps sometimes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446928
I rarely use it, prefering to soft reset often.

Davey101 said:
It seems that WM is bad at managing memory and lets a number of bad programs take up space after closing. Opera seems to be one of the worst culprits; I wish we had a better browser for the Diamond. QUOTE]
... yes, you're right. Opera seems very 'memory hungry' - can't understand why memory management apps can't release the memory afterwards though. Probably something to do with Microsoft - as usual!!
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Main Memory Low

I save all my programs and install them on the internal drive. I am still getting a low memory warning. Are there any specific places I need to look , i.e Windows folder, etc.., where I can remove useless files? I'm afraid to delete some important things.
I have an Alltel Touch Diamond. Thanks in advance.

Low memory warning is not about the storage where you save your stuff & apps. Its the RAM of the diamond. To solve the issue you'll probably have to install another ROM with lower mem usage or close TF3D before running your heavy apps.

HI THERE
the program pocket mechanic solve me a lot of that issue .
after installing the prog. i removed some what of files to the intenal storage .
it did work for me just great /

windows folder/directory
open windows directory. goto Opera folder. goto images folder. any files that aren't jpg or png (meaning files that will have an opera logo in front of them) are deletable. If you use opera a lot and have never done this, there may be many. Also Windows/Messaging. this stores info from all emails, even when you delete, info is left here- delete all old stuff. If you feel iffy about trying any of this, create a folder in your internal storage to cut these files into, and if you have any trouble or do something wrong, you can cut/copy them right bsck (but these sre things i do to keep memory clear). Also, ClearTemp is an AWESOME HELPFUL program (and free). I think v1.21 is the latest, but after 3rd day of using it, it had recovered about 10mb of storage memory. (set it up properly, din't just hit 'clean'). good luck.
Lastly, some early diamonds (roms) had a known issue with unrecoverable storage memory, so last case scenario, update to newest official rom.

nickschot said:
Low memory warning is not about the storage where you save your stuff & apps. Its the RAM of the diamond. To solve the issue you'll probably have to install another ROM with lower mem usage or close TF3D before running your heavy apps.
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au contraire. memory on diamond is partitioned 3ways (storage memory, program memory, internal storage)
when you get a 'main memory low' msg, it's usually because your storage memory (not RAM), and not program memory, has dropped to <1mb. not your operating memory or program memory.

UgXvibe said:
I save all my programs and install them on the internal drive. I am still getting a low memory warning. Are there any specific places I need to look , i.e Windows folder, etc.., where I can remove useless files? I'm afraid to delete some important things.
I have an Alltel Touch Diamond. Thanks in advance.
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I dealt with this on my first diamond. Had to return it - it is an issue on early diamonds, known by htc (storage not erasing things it should, regardless of user settings). A search will turn up a handful of other threds on this topic.

Thanks for all the replies.. here are screens of what I'm talking about.
As you can see I have a ton of storage on the Internal but 1Mb left on Device... If you still agree that I should follow the advice above I will do that. Just wanted to clarify what I was talking about.

thank you scottspa74
I have exactly the same problem with storage memory and what scottspa74 proposed just gave me the solution to my problem .
Thank you very much

Well, I also found that if you have taken a lot of pictures and video with the phone it takes up a ton of device storage. Try deleting big video files or transferring them somewhere else.

running out of App storage

Hi,
I have had my Kaiser since it was released over 2 years ago.
I have a 8gb MicroSD that i try to install my apps onto, but i always seem to run out of 'device application storage space'
So my question is, what are you doing to stop this from happening.
Can we use this thread to create a list of apps that are best to run on the device and which ones can be run on the storage card?
Thanks
PS. im also tempted to try a different rom to increase space, any suggestions as im running the official 6.1 from my carrier.

GLO said:
Hi,
I have had my Kaiser since it was released over 2 years ago.
I have a 8gb MicroSD that i try to install my apps onto, but i always seem to run out of 'device application storage space'
So my question is, what are you doing to stop this from happening.
Can we use this thread to create a list of apps that are best to run on the device and which ones can be run on the storage card?
Thanks
PS. im also tempted to try a different rom to increase space, any suggestions as im running the official 6.1 from my carrier.
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There are a lot of good roms, just look over in the Kaiser Rom Development, read signatures to find out what a lot of people are using. Everyone has there own personal preference.
As far as what to install on SD Card and what to install on main memory, it goes kinda like this. If it is a dedicated program that you need to rely on, like G-Alarm or SPB Time for example, install it in main memory. If it is a program that runs on the today screen or in the background, install it to main memory. Programs like SPB Mobile Shell, WAD2, Palringo and other chat software can go to main memory. Anything else unless the programs says otherwise, can go on the SD Card. I always ask myself this, if my SD Card failed what are my few must have important apps that I need to make it through the rest of the day/week? I always put my entertainment crap on the SD, and only my important apps on the main storage.
Hope that steers you in the right direction.
PS: How do you have 285 post, been a member since 2007, and are still using a OEM 6.1 ROM? You are missing the good stuff my friend!

Philux-X said:
PS: How do you have 285 post, been a member since 2007, and are still using a OEM 6.1 ROM? You are missing the good stuff my friend!
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Yes, 285 posts since 07 driven by various questions and answers for others.
Rom swapping was limited to 6.0 to 6.1 official '3'rom,
Have tried numerous UI's including SPB Mobile Shell, Winterface etc but ended up reverting back to my basic stable set up. (ref my sig)
Had toyed with HTC Cube but a hard reset made me realize it it was more novelty than useful. had a fiddle with M2D but it was only a cab and not fully integrated into the ROM, so i ditched it.
But now that im hitting the max storage again, im tempted to play with a new rom.
edit: just checked the Memory status and actually is the Storage Memory that i keep maxing out, not the Program storage (28Mb free) as i originally thought. I use memaid daily to regain space, but i guess its not enough!

GLO said:
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edit: just checked the Memory status and actually is the Storage Memory that i keep maxing out, not the Program storage (28Mb free) as i originally thought. I use memaid daily to regain space, but i guess its not enough!
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That is exactly the problem I'm having. I just recently bought one of these phones (used with preloaded apps) & it's kind of frustrating to see the storage memory near max (127MB).. I have deleted or moved some things to my removable memory card. I got it down to about 12MB of free space, but it seems to decrease daily!? right now its down to 6mb of free space in just 1 day & i have not added any apps. I'm confused how this is happening
Can you or anyone help?

Clear Temp Internet Files.

ClearTemp by Vicott - v1.3.0.1
Also follow earlier post regards installing software only things that need to be loaded @ startup & home screen replacements "Shells" need to be installed to device memory, rest place on SD card.

stylez said:
....ClearTemp by Vicott - v1.3.0.1[/URL]
Also follow earlier post regards installing software only things that need to be loaded @ startup & home screen replacements "Shells" need to be installed to device memory, rest place on SD card.
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Thanks stylez. I had already cleared/deleted my temp files a few days ago using that app. In the meantime though my free storage space (RAM) continues to decrease even when I'm not actively using any app!?? This is what puzzles me the most. Out of 128 MB ram, I'm now down to ~3.5 MB! Do you know what could be causing this or what to do? There are only 7 programs listed in my storage memory. Should i remove all of them except maybe "MS classic blue" (whatever that is).
When it boots up, the screen displays "TPC Elite ROM series" & then series of digits & text in the lower right corner of the screen. I'm new to using pocketpc's but it seems this device is running some mods? I have installed:
WM 6.5 (professional)
ROM version: TPC_V11_MEGA WWE (11/04/09)
touchflo v3.0
s2u2 (v2.04)
CHome editor (v1.6 beta)
titanium weather
Aebutton plus (v2.6.6.1)
& a host of other apps some of which I understand their function & some I don't.
Also a few days ago I was able to move some apps from the phone's storage
memory to my storage card. I was only able to move 2 or apps, but couldn't move others. Whenever I tried moving or deleting files/apps it wouldn't allow me to do so. I used total commander ce (v2.51) to do this. I have "file explorer" installed, but it seems less robust & have fewer features.
Any suggestions on how to move these apps or delete unwanted files?
thanks all.

kgj said:
Thanks stylez. I had already cleared/deleted my temp files a few days ago using that app. In the meantime though my free storage space (RAM) continues to decrease even when I'm not actively using any app!?? This is what puzzles me the most. Out of 128 MB ram, I'm now down to ~3.5 MB! Do you know what could be causing this or what to do? There are only 7 programs listed in my storage memory. Should i remove all of them except maybe "MS classic blue" (whatever that is).
When it boots up, the screen displays "TPC Elite ROM series" & then series of digits & text in the lower right corner of the screen. I'm new to using pocketpc's but it seems this device is running some mods? I have installed:
WM 6.5 (professional)
ROM version: TPC_V11_MEGA WWE (11/04/09)
touchflo v3.0
s2u2 (v2.04)
CHome editor (v1.6 beta)
titanium weather
Aebutton plus (v2.6.6.1)
& a host of other apps some of which I understand their function & some I don't.
Also a few days ago I was able to move some apps from the phone's storage
memory to my storage card. I was only able to move 2 or apps, but couldn't move others. Whenever I tried moving or deleting files/apps it wouldn't allow me to do so. I used total commander ce (v2.51) to do this. I have "file explorer" installed, but it seems less robust & have fewer features.
Any suggestions on how to move these apps or delete unwanted files?
thanks all.
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Ok now i know what the problem is "as have ROM info" It's deblogger solution is you can't delete folder Deblogger use Task Manager and kill cprog.exe then delete

Thanks stylez, but I thought I read somewhere that cprog.exe file is an integral part of WM6.5 & utilizing the phone & killing or deleting it could be bad?
have you deleted this file from your phone? if so is there some other that replaces its functionality or is it even necessary?

kgj said:
Thanks stylez, but I thought I read somewhere that cprog.exe file is an integral part of WM6.5 & utilizing the phone & killing or deleting it could be bad?
have you deleted this file from your phone? if so is there some other that replaces its functionality or is it even necessary?
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Delete the deblogger folder, as the solution says it's on root, you may not be able to delete without stopping the process cprog.exe it will have no effect on cprog.exe in the Windows Directory.
I dont have deblogger in my ROM as no Mega M2D and all recent releases don't as TPC cooked the ROM before we knew the issue existed.

Thanks for the tips. i followed the instructions, checked my free space & it was up to 76MB at 11am when i deleted it.
Do you know what these other softwares are for that I listed? I tried researching them, but am not sure if they are critical or what I can do to move them if not? (using total commander did not work)(

kgj said:
Thanks for the tips. i followed the instructions, checked my free space & it was up to 76MB at 11am when i deleted it.
Do you know what these other softwares are for that I listed? I tried researching them, but am not sure if they are critical or what I can do to move them if not? (using total commander did not work)(
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That's cool happy to help.
You can't move programs cooked in ROM "Read Only Memory" files
Aebutton plus (v2.6.6.1) is a button mapper allows multi function per button press "very handy"
titanium weather Application for CHome weather
CHome editor (v1.6 beta) Allows moving panels, making new panels etc in CHome
s2u2 (v2.04) Lock screen
touchflo v2.0 M2D homescreen

thanks again stylez!

ok 1 month later I have the same problem! i deleted the deblogger folder. & i may have done another reinstall since then, but it has resurfaced. is there any way to make this a read only file instead of deleting it?