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WM5: Out of storage memory, 100 meg program memory!

Can I change the balance between storage memory and program memory? I don't need all that for programs, but I need more for storage!

WM5 installas all programs to FLASH, it only run them in RAM, and you cannot install to RAM.
However: most programs that are not todat-plugins or stay resident, can run perfectly well from storage card (SD).
i run ALL programs from SD, except for these few that are resident..

Thanks, but it's the document storage I need. I have a few SD cards, but there is a lot of stuff I need to have no matter what SD card that's in the reader. Does that mean that I can't use that extra memory?

somebody was talking about the possibility for a RAM-drive - I would suggest you search for that article .. that would fix your problem.

AlCapone said:
somebody was talking about the possibility for a RAM-drive - I would suggest you search for that article .. that would fix your problem.
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that works, but is only a temperary solution, when you soft reset, you loose everything, i made the mistake of moving all my documents into the folder it created, and when i soft reset, i lost everything, some very very valuble pics i wanted to keep got lost.

Then that's not the solution. Gotta rethink this stuff...

Faria AKU 3.2 Test Rom (Not Public Release)

I installed the Rom last night.
Here is the (short) list of program I have installed:
E-TEN Dialer (with Vista Theme)
Inesoft Cash Organizer '05 Premium (with MS Money Sync)
WisBar Advance
Cyberon Voice Commander 1.6
I have set-up my Cingular Data Connection (wap.cingular APN)
I have paired my Jabra BT500 Headset
I have synced my personal Laptop and Work PC via USB Cable.
So far the only Issue I have to report is with setting the Buttons.
When I select an option in the dropdown list, it doesn't match what is assigned (if I select <None> it show <OK/Close> as the assignment). This seems to be the case for everything above "<Today>" in the list. I wonder if it has something to do with the .RegEdit Entry at the top of the list?

P; When I select an option in the dropdown list, it doesn't match what is assigned (if I select <None> it show <OK/Close> as the assignment). This seems to be the case for everything above "<Today>" in the list. I wonder if it has something to do with the .RegEdit Entry at the top of the list
S; remove the regedit entry from phm traylaunch in the accesories folder. and it will be fixed.or
remove the period from the LinkName (in "\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\System" folder)
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about task manager issue;
this is the way it works.i spoke to the develepor,and he said that people requested to work that way.this is not a fault in the rom.
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tahoma.ttf is in the rom,futher more cleartype is enabled by default in the rom.
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the runonce file is a bit temperemental.you have to click several times to run some times.
the runonce file will only run once per hard reset.it was ingenered to do so

Only one problem till now - SMS Notifier doesn't work. It says:"MissingMethodException, File or assembly name 'Microsoft.WindowsMobile.Status, version 1.0.0.0, Culture neutral, Public keyToken 31BF3856AD364E35', or one of its dependencies was not found.
any idea?

faria said:
nice debuging ....i think you are correct.i will see to it.i will remove the file from the rom
dr.p [my second.. hehe] reported the same.
remove the regedit entry from phm traylaunch in the accesories folder. and it will be fixed.
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Actually, all I had to do was remove the period from the LinkName (in "\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\System" folder) and everything is working fine now.

Xtriny said:
Only one problem till now - SMS Notifier doesn't work. It says:"MissingMethodException, File or assembly name 'Microsoft.WindowsMobile.Status, version 1.0.0.0, Culture neutral, Public keyToken 31BF3856AD364E35', or one of its dependencies was not found.
any idea?
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yes i thinks is something to do with netcf 2 sp1.i cant find the cause ,it is the same as hichtiker.if noone finds a solucion it will be removed from the rom.

faria said:
yes i thinks is something to do with netcf sp1.i cant find the cause ,it is the same as hichtiker.if noone finds a solucion it will be removed from the rom.
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It is not so important app, so it can be deleted from ROM, I think

I hate to say it, but this rom stalled at 99% on my G4 device. I let it stay that way for 25 minutes before I got worried and reflashed Molski's back on so I can make sure the battery didn't die. Any ideas ?

i would like to see a 8mb pagepool but also would like all thirdparty software removed so testing is accurate.
also it seems that your rom works w/o the ext rom and w/o running runonce but the windows directory is filled with too many extras.
what do you want this test to accomplish?

It works really good. 8MB p.pool is great but not removed third party apps (my opinion)

I don't mind the 3rd party apps
Since they don't waste space (removing them frees up nothing).
As for the Start Menu, I would guess that most "Power Users" either customize this anyway or use a launcher (iLauncher, WA Desktop, etc) so no big deal to me really. I just won't click on something that I don't use.
I am enjoying TCPMP and PHM Tray Launch, which are apps I've never used before.

jeffbar1 said:
i would like to see a 8mb pagepool but also would like all thirdparty software removed so testing is accurate.
also it seems that your rom works w/o the ext rom and w/o running runonce but the windows directory is filled with too many extras.
what do you want this test to accomplish?
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without the runonce installation most softwate and bluethoth etc will fail.
the point of the roms is to have the exras appa without consuming the storage.so u can still install yours.
another first to this rom is that pdf reader is runing from the extended rom!!!!! that took major work.also most apps are higly compressed.pdf reader is 7mb in original form.were mine is 2.9mb.i mean, how do you make something run from a hidden-write-protected drive?????!!
that runonce installer is ther for a reason.
i dont belive that anyone achived to turn cleartype font on automaticly either.i did.
just a few.....
the purpose is to test the rom so i can find out if is good enough to put in the public domain.
like a said before there is plenty roms up there to chose from.

i think it would be better to have as much free program memory as possible rather than worrying about storage memory.

jeffbar1 said:
i think it would be better to have as much free program memory as possible rather than worrying about storage memory.
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removed apps from ROM will not free much programm memory. Only running apps "eats" RAM and you can close it. Like I said, it would be great to change p.pool sizel. I used ROM with 8MB p. pool with Wisbar, iLauncher, SPB Weather, and other apps in ROM and my free RAM was about 26 MB, storage about 38 MB

ok, installed and everithing appears ok exept for 1 lil detail...some of the lnks on startup folder r in rom and cant be deleted (i try to delete them and get an error)... i mean...i hate the tray bar and cant delete as example the bt-init to delete that icon among others to remove that bar...i mean...i know that is dumb to delete programs cause they dont take space on storage, but they DO take space on today screen...other than that detail i think everithing is ok...

kyphur said:
Since they don't waste space (removing them frees up nothing).
As for the Start Menu, I would guess that most "Power Users" either customize this anyway or use a launcher (iLauncher, WA Desktop, etc) so no big deal to me really. I just won't click on something that I don't use.
I am enjoying TCPMP and PHM Tray Launch, which are apps I've never used before.
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how do the 3rd party apps not take up memory or program memory

Faria,
what about make your ROM twice? One with 12MB, second one with 8MB paging pool. Everyone can choose which one to use... It should be the best to decide.

PPC Memory Primer
jeffbar1 said:
how do the 3rd party apps not take up memory or program memory
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The types of Memory that a PPC Device Has:
ROM
Storage Memory
Program Memory
The ROM is where the OS is. There is a defined amout of space on the DOC for the ROM Image. If you Don't fill it up then that extra space is still consumed by the ROM Image and you can't use it. Think of it as a CD, if you burn only 200MB of data onto a single session CD you can't install programs onto the remaining 500MB even though you have that unused capacity.
Storage Memory is like the HardDrive on your PC. When you install programs to "Device" they are stored here. User Data which is not directed to the Sotrage Card is also stored here. The OS makes it appear as though the ROM & Storage Memory are one and the same but they are not.
Program Memory is equivelant to the RAM on your PC. This is the workspace where all of the Apps run and the OS does it's work. Having a program installed doesn't consume RAM. Running the program does.
So....
If the extra apps are embedded into the ROM then all they are doing is filling up space that you normally can't utilize. If it keeps you from having to install 2 programs onto your "device" then it will preserve Storage Memory.

Forget about my suggestion, but something have to be checked, after 2 soft resets now it let me delete the .lnk´s

Did not saw the operator config stuff (i may have missed it), but everything else is fine.
Here is a set of config settings (ppc and smartphone) for all the 3 french operators ... It may be usefull ...
After applying the bouygues one, i send a text message and had notification

kyphur said:
The types of Memory that a PPC Device Has:
ROM
Storage Memory
Program Memory
The ROM is where the OS is. There is a defined amout of space on the DOC for the ROM Image. If you Don't fill it up then that extra space is still consumed by the ROM Image and you can't use it. Think of it as a CD, if you burn only 200MB of data onto a single session CD you can't install programs onto the remaining 500MB even though you have that unused capacity.
Storage Memory is like the HardDrive on your PC. When you install programs to "Device" they are stored here. User Data which is not directed to the Sotrage Card is also stored here. The OS makes it appear as though the ROM & Storage Memory are one and the same but they are not.
Program Memory is equivelant to the RAM on your PC. This is the workspace where all of the Apps run and the OS does it's work. Having a program installed doesn't consume RAM. Running the program does.
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If the extra apps are embedded into the ROM then all they are doing is filling up space that you normally can't utilize. If it keeps you from having to install 2 programs onto your "device" then it will preserve Storage Memory.
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so you are saying that even though the extra apps are running they don't use the RAM they use ROM, thats hard to beleive.

Phone storage gets lost

Hi there!
I'm having a problem with the phone storage, not the internal 4gb storage...
The phone storage is at 0.20 mb (free!), but i don't really know why! On Saturday there were about 20 mb of free storage, but now they are gone ... I didn't install any programms, just looked a few videos with the youtube player and played around with some pictures that where sent as an email attachement (2 mb per picture) and suddenly the phone tells me "memory is low". i tried the sktools "clean" tool, but i'm not quite sure what i can delete without killing my pim data and so on. Is there anyway to figure out which application keeps all the information stored that killed my storage?!
I looked through the phone folders in the explorer on my pc, but i can't say
where the lost storage is located
any ideas on this !?
Thanks in advance
André

Maybe browser cache-data is filling it up? checked temp folders? 0,20MB sounds weird tho. What ROM are you using?

i searched all the tempfolders (hopefully i found them all ) but there aren't any large tempfiles or so ...
is there any specific folder you want me to have a closer look at?
i'm using the original o2 rom (1.37.207.2 GER)

Make a hard reboot and choose the 2nd option in the hard reboot menu

i'll give it a try the next few days and keep you informed
thnx!

before hard reset use sktools and do a complete clean

Why don't you see in your system settings menu, click memorry.
There you find a 'link' which gives you the option to search for big size files that fill up your memory.

too bad it doens't find many small files

Software installation - Device or Storage?

I have just done a ROM upgrade to WM6.1 and plan to reinstall the various apps I hade on the TyTn II (which is only a week or so old). I have searched on Google and looked in the Wiki, FAQs and searched the forums with all manner of search terms but cannot find an answer to what may be a dumb question.
When installing apps is it better to install on device or storage (where the option is offered)? I would have though Storage better to keep memory on device free but wonder if certain progammes and any files they create when being used are better or essential to run on the device because of either pathname issues or speed of access?? Any help appreciated.
I plan to re-install:
Phat Notes
List Pro
SPB Wallet
Co-Pilot
Sprite Back Up

You understand the issues already. I don't use any of those programs so cant comment on them specifically but I install the few bit's of software I do use on my device and only Tomtoms maps, my music and my user created things like docs and photos go on my storage card - thats simply because there isn't enough internal memory to hold all of that and I don't want to run the risk of programs not being available if I take my card out (although that doesn't often happen). I've found that installing Tomtoms voices to internal memory sometimes helps prevent missing words and problems with voice navigation otherwise you could just test out things each way and see which you prefer.
People here have reported they can load many programs at once and the TyTN IIs memory management capabilities keep on top of the situation to prevent running out of internal memory. Unless someone else here has experience installing all those programs both ways, I suspect you'll need to try it and see which you prefer.

Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.

IMO, its better to load programs on your memory card so that you don't clutter up your phone memory and consequently slow it down (to be honest, i have never faced this on my TYTN 2, but i guess its a habbit from my Atom days...) I only load today plugins (like Ultimate Launch, RL Today etc..) on the phone 'cause these programs don't work if you load them on the card.
I use Destinator for GPS and this program installs itself on the phone by default, so I copy the destinator folder to the card and overwrite the shortcut for the .exe file in the windows>programs folder to make it work from the card...
So here's my pick
List Pro - Memory Card
SPB Wallet - Memory Card
Co-Pilot - Memory Card
Sprite Back Up - Memory Card
I like my phone clean...

Thanks. After more pondering I think installing all on the device may be better. I can get a full back of them all then using sprite and, as you say, if I take out the SD, or if it dies, I will have no access to data. The programmes are only small and even their files (which i suppose I could create on the storage) are small. I think that create on device, store on device and back up to storage may be better. I will be unlikely to install much else other than Mobile Shell and Phone suite by SPB.
That said I MIGHT go the Card route. No perfect answer I suppose. I'll try the ROM upgrade then a card install first perhaps. If I don't like I can always re-install on the phone. I suppose it's easy enough to back up the card contents and the back up/synch options with the programmes should allow back ups on the main PC (or even My Docs on the phone).

pdaPhone_TM said:
Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.
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I second that.

Before the Kaiser I used to put the few programs that were really system-related and/or that I'd still need if the card was out (utilities, explorers, startup items, programs that had today plugins) on the device, and all the rest and big apps on the memory card.
But the Hermes had 40MB free when fresh and empty after a hard reset. Now my Kaiser has about 120MB free when empty, so I just put everything in the internal memory, including MioMap with my country's map, and GPS tuner with maybe 10MB of JPG maps. The only exceptions are 2 very large apps (60MB together) that I anyway barely ever use but just have "in case", those are on the card.
And even after that I still have 35MB free on the device

It use to be a challenge choosing which ones go on main memory or SD card. Some were a no brainer, like Memmaid or Resco Explorer. The very nature of their operation dictated they are on main memory. As another stated, if it was a start up program it had to be on main memory. Sometimes it was a trial and error to find out.
With the Kaiser and its massive memory increase, now my rule is, everything goes to main memory and only games go to the SD card. I still have over 40mb left, and that’s more than my last phone had to start with!

Having pondered even more!!!! Think I may go the device route for the small apps AND keep their files on the device (using the SD card for back ups along with the PC). I may do a split install for the Co Pilot sat nav. Seems more sensible to have the APP installed on the device but have its maps installed on an SD. Figure the maps will eat up a horde of memory on the device. I'll likely also use the SD for photos and music.
Having done it all the other way round I'm now ever pondering:
Clear Storage (hard reset)
Re-flash ROM for clean system
Hard Reset again (which seems to be good practice)
Install all in the right places!!!
All this MAY be a bit drastic and I wonder (seeing as everything is currently working!!) whether simply an uninstall/re-install of the apps might be good enough or even a hard reset followed by re-install.

Hard reset already clears your system, no need to reflash. Do a hard reset and reinstall your stuff, that's it.

Thanks. I ay do just that. Only thing I didn't do (I think) is hard reset after I installed the ROM so I'm wondering whether to bite the bullet and completely do the whole lot again in case in not hard re-setting after flashing I've stored up some future problems.
Also, on the sat nav front, any thoughts on this? I was wondering whether to put both the programme (Co Pilot) and the maps on storage or put the programme on the TyTn and just maps on storage??

i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.

goodpill said:
i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.
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I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?

GWelker62 said:
I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?
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i like to keep maximum memory free. usually only run a program or two at a time but i have some rather large data files in email etc.
just a personal preference from many years of pda's

Tilt memory is full?

So the main directory on my phone has a total of 124 mb of space but my phone says i only have about 8 mb of space left. I connected my tilt to my pc and opened my tilts root directory and checked the size of all the files in it and only got about 32 mb of data. So what am I missing? If my phone can hold 124 mb and im using 32 mb y does it say I only have 8 mb of space left? Also i keep all of my apps and progs along with all my pics, music, .cab files and all other stuff on my 4 GB sd card. Can anyone give me an idea whats going on?

Do you have a bazillion text messages saved on it?

still not enough space.
soooo... yeah i did have a **** ton of txt measages, but i stil have about 60mb of missing space anyone have any other thoughts?

And it's not a cache used by the OS?

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soooo... yeah i did have a **** ton of txt measages, but i stil have about 60mb of missing space anyone have any other thoughts?
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Have subtracted the space taken up by your rom ?
Try these.

all good now.
thanks a ton man that clear temp app did the trick. now i have plenty of free space

i have a similar problem. I have deleted everything i can think of, but the more stuff i delete, the less space i appear to have. I have removed all the programs i could as well, but now it says i have less that 856K storage memory. I had over 5MB full earlier today, but as i was deleting stuff, and removing programs, my free space kept going down. Is windows making copies and storing these items somewhere?
I tried downloading both of the cabs above but it told me a message about an invalid header, so i was unable to try them.
When i look in my "windows" folder, under "My Device" i see a lot of the old programs that i supposedly deleted. I am unable to delete them from that view though. I cant even restore from my Sprite Backup because there is not enough space to restore. I reinstalled my PHM Registry Editor but i am not very familiar with it. Is there a way to delete unneeded things from there?
I dont have a ton of texts messages, but i do have quite a few image messages. I was in the process of sending them to my email, and deleting them when i ran out of space to even be able to open them.
Any suggestions? BTW, i have Windows Mobile 6.0

Last time I ran out of memory it was due to a voice recorder running until there was no room left.
I also had an issue with memory on SD card.
Stylez posted me this handy cab - will let you see what is where
There is also the 'find large files' under the memory tab for a starting point.
Good luck

brandall said:
Last time I ran out of memory it was due to a voice recorder running until there was no room left.
I also had an issue with memory on SD card.
Stylez posted me this handy cab - will let you see what is where
There is also the 'find large files' under the memory tab for a starting point.
Good luck
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I will give it a try, if it lets me even install it. Last two Cabs it wouldnt allow me to install because of space. I took out the 1 gig SD card i have in the slot, and checked under the memory tab with the "find large files" and only came back with like 4 files, all around 200-300k.
UPDATE: Wouldnt even allow me to install cab file

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I will give it a try, if it lets me even install it. Last two Cabs it wouldnt allow me to install because of space. I took out the 1 gig SD card i have in the slot, and checked under the memory tab with the "find large files" and only came back with like 4 files, all around 200-300k.
UPDATE: Wouldnt even allow me to install cab file
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Can you remove some other programs you have installed to make space? You can always put them back on once you've solved the problem....
Emptying your deleted items might help too...
Drag your pictures and videos over to your pc via activesync....
Did you run Cleartemp? Clearing cache etc ?
If it was me I'd be backing up what I need and doing a hard reset - When the phone gets laggy and clogged up it's the sure fire way to get things running smoothly again...... It would be a must for me!

Thanks for the suggestions. I was able to clear up a decent amount of space by deleting a punch of MMS messages i had. I had been in the process of sending them over to my email because i was at work and couldnt try synching the phone and moving them. I didnt noticed in the settings that it was creating a copy in the "sent" folder, as well as keeping it in the "delete" area. After clearing that up, i saved a bunch of space.
I am still noticing in the Windows folder of My Device that there are a lot of older programs taking up a bunch of space. These are all programs that i deleted or removed at some point. Not sure why they are hanging around.
I have tried using the two cab files posted by denco7, but i am unable to install them. Just tells me they are unsuccessful. Are they specific to a certain version of Windows Mobile? Is there any message logging that would tell me why they failed?

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Thanks for the suggestions. I was able to clear up a decent amount of space by deleting a punch of MMS messages i had. I had been in the process of sending them over to my email because i was at work and couldnt try synching the phone and moving them. I didnt noticed in the settings that it was creating a copy in the "sent" folder, as well as keeping it in the "delete" area. After clearing that up, i saved a bunch of space.
I am still noticing in the Windows folder of My Device that there are a lot of older programs taking up a bunch of space. These are all programs that i deleted or removed at some point. Not sure why they are hanging around.
I have tried using the two cab files posted by denco7, but i am unable to install them. Just tells me they are unsuccessful. Are they specific to a certain version of Windows Mobile? Is there any message logging that would tell me why they failed?
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Try doing a soft reset to kill all processes before installing.