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Anyone has problems with 2 gig SD card in their 8125?

Everytime i insert my card it asks me if i want to format it to make it readable? - even though i formatted it in my computer. Also i cant write anything to it when my 8125 recognizes it in a slot. The cars is SanDisk so it should be a good quality.

I'm using a 2GB SanDisk card with no trouble at all. I _didn't_ format it on my PC but rather used it straight out of the box.
Do you still have the same message if you let the 8125 format the card?

i tried doing that and it says that the phone cannot recognize the card.... the weird thing is that the card goes in crooked and the fit isnt perfect i have to push it in hard.....

Quite a few people reporting a problem like this - seems to be fixed with sktools or storage tools (google them demos allow you to format - install on device) and format card on device to fat16.

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Quite a few people reporting a problem like this - seems to be fixed with sktools or storage tools (google them demos allow you to format - install on device) and format card on device to fat16.
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I have the same problem before, i tried to format it to fat16 and the 2gb minisd was recognized as 1gb instead of 2, tried every solution from getting compatible version of a card reader to re-format using fdisk via DOS., Called the manufacturer and they we're happy to replace it. They advised that it should be re-formatted as fat only and not fat16 via DOS using the card reader.

good to know as i just bought a 2gigger.

The problem is that you formatted it on your PC. USe SKtools to format it on your device and you should be all set. I think the demo version of SKtools allows you to do this stuff.

i use my 2 GIG since i bought the phone almost 4 months ago without any hassle.
Just used the card out of the box without formatting it.

This issue is reported several times and is caused by using a not compatible cardreader on the PC to format the card.
A lot of the (even usb 2.0!!) cardreaders is not capable of reading over 512MB memory cards. If you use a 1Gb or 2GB card on such a reader it will probably say the card is not formatted. WHEN you do format the card using that reader, you wil make it unusable.
:arrow: Make sure you format the card via a compatible cardreader to avoid this.
:arrow: If you get a 'card not formatted' message, try to read from / write to it in your device first (before attempting to format)

Just got my 2GB card....MDA won't read it.
Camera won't read it.
PC can read it. It was Fat32, I reformatted it to Fat...still a no go in the phone or camera, but works on the PC....what gives?

Just got my 2GB card....MDA won't read it.
Camera won't read it.
PC can read it. It was Fat32, I reformatted it to Fat...still a no go in the phone or camera, but works on the PC....what gives?

I have a SanDisk 2Gig card. It worked fine right out of the package. Haven't had any problems with any of the ROMs I've run on my 8125.
-Scott

my 2GB card works fine, except for the fact that it's stuck in there.. i need to tak it apart and fix the spring loaded latch somewhere in there..

I got a 2GB from Amazon: OEM 2GB MINISD Mini Secure Digital (SD) Card but it did not work on my Cing 8125.

TopRam
I have been using a 2GB miniSD made by TopRam. Works in the 8125 and with my USB card reader no problem since day one. 8125 recognizes the entire 2 gigs (well minus just a few bits...about 99% of the card). Got it off eBay while I was waiting for the phone in the mail. Never needed formatting or anything..worked straight from the package. I was a little worried at first that it wasn't one of the "well known" brands of cards, but there have been no problems whatsoever.

I'm using the Transcend 2Gb 80x MiniSD. Works like a charm.
Keep in mind that SLC flash chips (mainly made by Samsung and a.o. used by Transcend and Mobymemory) have longer lifetime, are faster and consume less power than MLC flash chips. Disadvantage is that SLC is more expensive. Bought my 2GB for approx 62 euros.

FTP issues

I have tried Total Commander and SoftX and both crap out at about 1MB into the download. Is there a limitation on file size or something?

I did some poking around. I was attempting to save directly to my storage card which I believe is the culprit. It gets corrupted easily. It's a 2GB PQI and apparently sucks.
I saved a file that was 2.5 MB to the phone storage no problem.
However, I still wonder if writing directly to a storage card period would cause a problem.
Can anybody weigh in on this before I go buy another card(Sandisk 2GB).

Don't know about Total Commander but using Resco Explorer with a Sandisk 1GB, not a problem. I just finished downloading one of the ROMs from the site ftp over wifi without a hitch, so give resco a try before buying a new minisd... Just to rule out software issues
Good luck and give us an update

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Don't know about Total Commander but using Resco Explorer with a Sandisk 1GB, not a problem. I just finished downloading one of the ROMs from the site ftp over wifi without a hitch, so give resco a try before buying a new minisd... Just to rule out software issues
Good luck and give us an update
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This is my update... just posted it in another thread with someone having the same prob...
I am having the same problem with a PQI 2GB bought from Fry's(PLU# 5044075 and P/N: AE62-2030R01F4) in Houston, TX. When I try to download something from an FTP Client to the storage card, it fails and when I leave stuff on it, it becomes corrupt and stuff disappears.
I took my roommate's 64MB PQI from his Sidekick III and it worked like a charm. It was as follows.
1 Head
1 Cylinder
Type: FAT12
Sector: 512 Bytes
Cluster Size: 16 KB
BackupFAT: Yes
I have downloaded this program here...
http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools.html
It has the option for FAT12 while FLASH FORMAT will only give me the FAT16 and FAT32 options. It may however not be an option due to my card not supporting it as the program above will not let me flash it as FAT12 either.
I'm using the above program to defrag and repair my card right now.
EDIT UPDATE:
Storage Tools did not work. I got Pocket Mechanic(amazing interface) and Resco which is great and clean as well! Thank you for the recommendation. I'm scanning my card for bad sectors. Any format you'd recommend for optimal performance and stability?
EDIT ANOTHER UPDATE:
This morning I used my co-workers SanDisk 1GB card and downloaded files from my FTP at 22KBps over EDGE which blew my mind. Furthermore, they weren't corrupted. His file system was FAT32.
My conclusion is that it isn't the formatting options, but the PQI cards and the old motto of "You get what you pay for". I am going to have to break down and buy another card which I really didn't want to do, but it's obvious that SanDisk clearly holds it's weight in these devices.
Thanks to everyone who made recommendations and turned me on to some great apps in the process. I'll update this when I get my new card and let you guys know how it went. Thanks again for being a great community!
EDIT: Could people without problems with a 2GB Post the following info to help those trying to buy a card?
Brand:
Part No:
Format Method
Type:
Sector:
Cluster Size:

4/8 GB SDHC fix for Alpine

Has anyone seen a SDHC fix for 4/8 GB SD Cards available for Alpine?
Anybody tested a fix?
If HTC has a box with SDHC compatible, then there must be a fix for it.. Or maby soneone can help us to make that registry fix and new files required for the fix..

4GB SD cards work as standard on the Alpine anyway no fix required as long as they are fast, the 4Gb Topram SD in mine is a 150x and works like a dream. I have no Idea if an 8gb works but if it conforms to the standard then it might- 4gb is enough for me

Compatibility issues with 2 GB and larger cards
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card
Compatibility issues with 2 GB and larger cards
Compatibility with 2 gigabyte and larger SD cards has been poor, due to the SD/MMC protocol's using a 32-bit address field denominated in bytes. The SDHC standard addresses this limitation by using 32-bit block addresses instead. Both SD and SDHC are traditionally accessed as 512-byte blocks on 512-byte boundaries, so the change to host software or firmware is minor but required. Before SDHC was standardized, various manufacturers "extended" the SD control block fields for their 2 GB and 4 GB cards in different ways. Those cards are incompatible with many SD and some SDHC devices, as they conform to neither standard. All SDHC readers work with standard SD cards.[SD Compatibility, CARDSPEED - Card Readers and Memory Cards, December 1, 2006]
Many older devices will not accept the 2 GB size even though it is in the revised standard. The following statement is from the SD association specification:
"To make 2 GByte card, the Maximum Block Length (READ_BL_LEN=WRITE_BL_LEN) shall be set to 1024 bytes. However, the Block Length, set by CMD16, shall be up to 512 bytes to keep consistency with 512 bytes Maximum Block Length cards (Less than and equal 2 Gbyte cards)."[SD Group Technical Committee (September 25, 2006). "Section 4: SD Memory Card Functional Description; 4.3.2: 2 Gbyte Card", SD Specifications, Part 1: Physical Layer Simplified Specification (PDF, HTML), Version 2.00, SD Card Association, p. 19. Retrieved on 2007-02-23. ]
Since all cards up to and including the 1 GB card use a fixed 512 block size, some device drivers do not handle the larger block size and will not even recognize the 2 GB card. For example, the SanDisk web site shows examples of devices such as the iPAQ 1910 that will support only 1 GB cards and the Epson Photo RX300 Technical support says they support only 1 GB cards in the SD slot. Users of many early card readers have found that they also support only cards up to 1 GB.
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As I can not afford to buy a non-standard and non supported card here in Turkey, I am searching for a legit fix. I haf my Kingston replaced twice due to a problem. In other brands, I simply could not do this. That'a why I am looking for a working fix.. But thanks for notifying...

i had probs with 2gb cards but then i found if its formated as standard FAT (FAT16) not FAT32 they work fine.

Memory card problem (+ questions about exFAT etc)

So first off I have a very peculiar problem with my memory card.
If the card is plugged into the tytn ii my computer (Vista SP1) takes FOREVER to transfer files to it if I drag and drop files.
If I sync files using WMP11 it works like a charm.
If I plug the card into my computer directly it works like a charm.
To give you an idea: using drag and drop transferring a 150 MB file litterally took 5-6 hours.
Using WMP or dragging and dropping while plugging the card directly in to the computer it took a minute or two.
Also draging and dropping to the phones internal memory still works just peachy.
This behaviour started suddenly but I can't really say if I did anything in particular.
The second problem is using exFAT on my memory card. I thought WM6Pro was supposed to support this filesystem but if I format my memory card in exFAT the phone simply can't see that there's a card there.
Is there a simple patch to install for support (ie a CAB) or is there a cooked ROM with support? (Or perhaps it's just a registry tweak?)
Third is a question regarding what file system (FAT12, 16, 32 or exFAT if possible as per above) to use and what allocation unit size is preferably for a mobile device like this. I'm not worried about losing space due to too large allocation units sizes but I do want to get the maximum performance possible.

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Third is a question regarding what file system (FAT12, 16, 32 or exFAT if possible as per above) to use and what allocation unit size is preferably for a mobile device like this. I'm not worried about losing space due to too large allocation units sizes but I do want to get the maximum performance possible.
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Read http://pocketpcmag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17921

Thanks for the heads up on this, made me go with a larger cluster size than I originally intended.
Still no idea about exFAT or my problem though.

32gb FAT32 SDcard to 64gb exFAT SDcard Problems

Ok so i've been using the SanDisk Ultra 32GB MicroSDHC Class 10 sdcard in my note 2 and when i filled it up i then went out and bought the SanDisk Ultra 64GB MicroSDXC Class 10 UHS sdcard. I want to transfer everything thats on that 32gb card to my new 64gb and keep going. Obviously, ideally having about 32gb of free space when i put the 64gb card into my phone. I cant seem to get this to work right for some reason.
I took the filled up 32gb card out of my phone put it into the adapter it came with and then put that into the sd card reader thats built into my windows 8 laptop. Copied the entire card to my desktop and it turns out to be 37gb worth of data some how?? The 32gb card is using fat32 and the new 64gb card is using exfat...not sure if that matters in any of this? Then I copied that entire folder to the blank 64gb card and windows is telling me i only have 15gb of free space left on the card. The 64gb card seems to read in windows as only about 60gb btw. Where my extra 4gb? regardless...even 60gb minus the 37gb copied to the card should give me at LEAST 23gb....not 15gb. So not sure whats going on here??
THEN i formatted the 64gb card again using NTFS, added back all the copied files from my 32gb and it said i had about 20gb of space left. I suppose thats better but still not what im looking for and i read that i shouldnt really be using NTFS anyways. So then I tried formatting the card in my phone with TWRP and same thing happened as before, only showing 15gb of free space with the exfat format. I noticed in the windows format utility i can chose an Allocation Unit Size...I had left it at the default...not sure if I should be changing that to one of the larger numbers?
Anyway, I just want to transfer my 32gb card to the new 64 gb card and have about 32gb of free space on there....any help with this would be great, thanks!

It depends on a few things. First is the average size of the files to be stored and retrieved. Also the number of files to be stored and retrieved. A single file may be stored in several segments. The last segment will probably not be full, hence wasted space that cannot be allocated. Smaller segments would result in less wasted space, but more segments per file. Larger segments would yield less segments per file but more waste.
All the segments are tracked by the FAT (file allocation table). This index keeps track of all the segments on your storage device. A smaller allocation unit size (segment) would yield in a larger FAT. This will also slow down your read/write speeds. The reverse is also true.
*It has been awhile since I had studied this stuff so my FAT might be a little randomized.

I'm not sure what you go going on.
Couple of quick comments. Not possible to have more data on the card than it's capable of holding; ie 37GB of data on a 32GB card. You may have some compressed files of something, but the compressed files are still a certain size until uncompressed. So, something may have gotten messed up. It happens.
As for your new card having less than 64GB of data, that is normal and expected. There is always some space lost for file allocation tables and various other stuff needed for devices to connect to the card.
As for the new card, since it blank, best thing to do, format using your phone. It's the best place to do it. It will guarantee it'll be formatted in a way that the phone is guaranteed to read and write. And it doesn't take that long; five minutes at the most in my experience, and usually it's more around two. If your computer can read and see the formatted card, I would than just copy/cut the files over to the phone that way, and not use the card reader that came with it. It does take a lot more time, but other than corrupted files, it's always works.
If fact, I almost never use those card readers. When I get a new card or phone and need to transfer data, I just connect it the computer, transfer files over to the computer that way. Format the phone storage or new microSD card (in the phone), than transfer from the computer to the new phone or microSD. Other than a file here and there, no issues. And of those few files, it usually turns out the file got corrupted because I won't be able to open on the PC, phone, or anywhere else. And the problem files are found when transferring from the phone to the PC. The biggest knock on this method, it can be very time consuming, especially if there are bad files.
Other thoughts, I don't recall Android being a NTFS friendly. I thought it was just FAT or exFAT (I believe this is what it generally uses). FAT32 is the arguably the cross platform friendliest since Windows, OSX, Linus, and so forth and all read and write to it. It does have a 4GB file limitation, which depending on what you're using, can be a big problem, especially with video files. I don't recall exFAT file size limit, but it's more than 4GB.

Thanks so much for the info guys! For whatever weird reason it seems the exta gigs of data that transferred off the sdcard was actually files i had deleted a while back...not sure why they were still on there but my phone was reading them as deleted. Not sure why they would copy back to the computer though when i never even saw them to select.