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Keep all Tutorials up as stickes.

Please put up stickies for all tutorials. then we wont have duplicate treads and i think it will be easier for everyone.

moyofalaye said:
Please put up stickies for all tutorials. then we wont have duplicate treads and i think it will be easier for everyone.
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You wouldn't have to duplicate threads if you search.

I think it will be a great idea if we can put SOME topics as stickies, but not too much.
I also would be very pleased if we can have a moderator that would be real "active" on the forum, in other words, that deletes topics from one-time-posters with questions that are asked about 1000 times. That will keep the forum(s) a bit cleaner and better to search.
If I search for TomTom or Rom Upgrade now, I will get a lot of search results, but the pain in the ass is that about half of the results are questions of one-time-posters/noobs that didnt use the search function.
Also I get a lot of PM's with noob questions from people that have 0 posts and are not active on the forum(s), but I think a lot of members here have the same problem. I am always willing to help, but for now I stopped replying to simple questions from people that have 0 posts, just because I know that all the answers are in the forum, so you will come to the conclusion that they didn't use the search function at all.
And no....I dont wanna volunteer as mod
Molski

The simple answer would be use (and update) http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard When I had a universal it was always my first port of call at the begining

Problem with this is that someone will write a post on how to open a can of coke. What qualifies this as a tutorial? If someone pms me asking for it to be made sticky, I'll see how the thread grows, and if the community are finding it truly helpful, I'll make it sticky. However, then we'll end up being overwhelmed with 3pages of stickies even before you get to current posts.
My idea, which I proposed to the mods, is first to detail your post titles, eg
[new release] VJNubilous - makes you last all night
[tutorial] Stamina - Desensitising techniques pros/cons
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This makes them stand out and easier to search for.
However, a longer term solution is to have a dedicated Tutorial forum etc.
But again, we have the wiki, and that's a better place for that kind of stuff. The onus is on the original poster to realise his post is useful and put it on the wiki - but anyone can edit the wiki, so everyone should
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i posted 3 times on this forum noone ever answered - even though i know that these topics were discussed. Of course everyone here YELLS - YOU ARE A NEWBIE go search the forum - the search brings up 1000s of post that would take 10 days to read and find what anyone needs....
This forum will be much better with stickies - way better.
For example right now i am sitting and trying to find a way to install properly Windows Lite on my phone and i know that posting for help will be useless.... so i emailed directly to the creator of those skins.
But if there was a sticky - that would help a lot....
Just my 2 cents

RussianInLa said:
i posted 3 times on this forum noone ever answered - even though i know that these topics were discussed. Of course everyone here YELLS - YOU ARE A NEWBIE go search the forum - the search brings up 1000s of post that would take 10 days to read and find what anyone needs....
This forum will be much better with stickies - way better.
For example right now i am sitting and trying to find a way to install properly Windows Lite on my phone and i know that posting for help will be useless.... so i emailed directly to the creator of those skins.
But if there was a sticky - that would help a lot....
Just my 2 cents
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I am a newbie here, I appreciate the work everyone has done here too. I am also a bit knowlegeble on other stuffs and i am also a memebr of other forums. from experience. it would help alot if there is a tutorial section. example, xbox-scene.com there is a dedicated place for tutorials and they really broke all aspects of everything that has to be with the xbox. Please can the moderators and human gods that make this site tick please have mercy on us. Im sure that there are also alot of people here, that will help to get this thing done in no time.
Thanks again for every thing.

RussianInLa said:
i posted 3 times on this forum noone ever answered - even though i know that these topics were discussed. Of course everyone here YELLS - YOU ARE A NEWBIE go search the forum - the search brings up 1000s of post that would take 10 days to read and find what anyone needs....
This forum will be much better with stickies - way better.
For example right now i am sitting and trying to find a way to install properly Windows Lite on my phone and i know that posting for help will be useless.... so i emailed directly to the creator of those skins.
But if there was a sticky - that would help a lot....
Just my 2 cents
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Like Vijay said, instead of stickies we have the Wiki, thats much much better then a sticky will ever be.
p.s. I replied to one of your topics (ringtone help), the reason that you dont have reply's on your other topics is maybe because nobody knows the answer?

The WiKi pages are THE place for Tutorials.
And it saves us mods a lot of work (I have a life next to this too).

edsub said:
The WiKi pages are THE place for Tutorials.
And it saves us mods a lot of work (I have a life next to this too).
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Please i will like to help on the wiki. Please give me the best advice or suggestion for me to help us with the wiki.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WikiHomePage
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http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WikiHomePage
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Thanks, already started getting to work.

agree with it over all
but i have done searches and you get 20k worth or look at but usally half have nothing to do with what your looking for since someone puts off topic in a thread and you end up drilling down for nothing on a lot of it
and the wiki is there but not well maintained at the moment has some info but not a lot >>> but work in progress take time lord i know i work my reg job 16 + hrs a day
but a sugjestion of a more detailed thread break down
would be nice

Why are people on this forum so damn temperamental?

I have been reading through alot of posts here over the last couple weeks.
There seems to be a lot of bickering, pointless debate, insults and flaming going on here. (I know am probably starting more with this post, but that is why I chose the off-topic forum) I know you get it on all internet forums, but this one seems to be worse than most.
I actually had someone pm me on something recently, I believe, because he was too afraid to make a post asking for help. I dont blame him. If someone here asks a question that may or may not have been asked months ago (therefore buried by 10 pages of more current posts) he gets flamed. I also notice he asks another newbie like me, instead of someone with a lot of posts, because they seem to be the most touchy.
And I know, that is why there is a search. But you know, search tools on forums like this are a joke. You are going to get a return of 1000's of posts, 99% of which have nothing to do with what you are looking for. And for me at least, half the time when I search, and I am rewarded with a blank page (in both mozilla and IE).
Just wanted report on what I see here. Maybe others see it differently.

Jimmy - not to validate your argument, but I disagree with you!
Seriously, I respond to so many posts, probably even unnecessarily so sometimes, just because I like the community. The vast majority of us are here because we enjoy the community and are like-minded gadget freaks.
You do get some flaming, some *****ing, some idiots, some spam, some divas. But the vast majority, in my experience, are very nice, helpful and supportive of newbies. We were all one once, and I hope that I'd rather say nothing then something unhelpful.
Anyone can PM or email me any time. I can't respond immediately, but I will try to respond.
The usual "use the search, Luke", response is normally only fired out when you've got a very new member blurting out things like "How do I switch the phone off?". My reasoning there is, teach a man to fish, he'll help himself a lot more then just filling his gullet with answers. But, for valid, non knee jerk questions, most people will try to help.
I think it's better no one answers if they don't know, and if they don't, feel free to bump. But don't bump twice in 5 mins - "COME ON, DOESN'T ANYBODY
KNOW HOW TO SORT MY CONTACTS BY FIRST NAME??!?!?!??!" is not a way to make friends with me.
Anyway, I could rant all day, but I think the board generally speaks for itself. Most are helpful, most are nice, most are here because we want to be here.
You get some bad posts, but seriously, in my year on the board, I've only had two encounters that caused me to contemplate leaving...
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PS this was an interesting thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=329718#329718

I know it is not everyone, my subject should not have been why are people so temperamental, it should have been why are SOME people so temperamental.
I agree with you, if it is a repetive question, just dont answer. I just think it is bad when people are pm'ing rather than posting because they are afraid.

vijay555 said:
You get some bad posts, but seriously, in my year on the board, I've only had two encounters that caused me to contemplate leaving...
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PS this was an interesting thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=329718#329718
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I gotta' agree with you on that thread, vijay. Those pics (the original ones) NEVER should have been posted. They provoked a LOT of ire from users and flaming, too. There's no room for politics on this forum. It's not here for that purpose and I felt like that was where that thread was heading. Even the world news networks don't show images THAT graphic!! Thanks for deleting them and putting that thread back "on course".

whos temperamental, you [email protected]@rd!
STFU! you think your so [email protected] smart, coming here and reading entries and you probably dont know your @ss froma hole in the ground when it comes to pdas....
whos says people here are temperamental?

dont know your @ss froma hole in the ground
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Gosh, in countries where you actually poo straight into a hole in the ground, this might cause some rather embarrassing situations!
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maybe i hang out in the wrong forums or my level of what is hostile is wayy different from yours
but this is one of the most friendly forums i come in
or have ever come in (and thats a great deal)
i dont see telling people to use search and the likes to be hostile
personal attacks is hostile

Dont know what the problem is, sure once in a while people get pointed to search, wiki or spend some time reading. And yes once in awhile there are no flowers in that reply.
Sure even I have had the balls to move a post out of news and tell the guy to post in the correct, forum, read wiki and use search. It pisses of our other users who think news is news and not news being somebody asking how do I upgrade my device.
I have seen a lot of threads, a few things I did not like to see, a few I have killed. I have seen nice, not so nice and far form nice askers and also answerres.
In general you get a lot more help here than on other places (yes I have had to look other places).
But hell its a free word, if anybody thinks this site is not good to or for them, well its a click of the mouse to solve that problem.
Mean while will I point a user to the answer of his question which in fact is the same question in 4 different sections. Hum let me think about that one.

Personally I find most people on the forum very friendly. You always get a few who are a bit temperamental but that is life. But on the whole this would have to be the most helpful and friendly forum around.

I will have to agree and disagree with this.. i havent been a member that long and i did take the smart route, i actually read this board over and from top to bottom for months before making a single post, what stopped me from making a post right away was most senior people's complaints about newbs not searching, etc.. so i did just that searched and read... and here i am 3 months later of my first post and have made well over 500 now.. (i have point to all of this somewhere here ) This site can be a little confusing to newbs, but most of the confusion comes from other newbs making the same posts over and over again, you might search for one thing and come up with 50 posts of the same problem, however 49 of them are flames telling them to search to find the answer... and this is where it also gets frustrating for the senior people, people who have already answered this once before causing the temperamental flames.. Now i do try to answer what i can, we were all newbs once and i still consider myself one and i answer many pm's of people who are afraid to be flamed (which if they would have searched they would have found the answer) but im also not their personal wiki... ok, im done, oh yeah, vote for me for president

I agree with jimmy hauser
I came here from treocentral, which was much more supportive on average. Sure, there are some good-spirited and helpful people here, but it is overall much more antagonistic than treocentral.
As a practical matter, the search engine isn't very good and the recent upgrade of the forum didn't make it easier. It took me a few weeks to think of googling with the site:xda-developers.com, identifying the appropriate thread and then searching for that specific threads. Otherwise, one gets too much. Yes, we all find it annoying when someone starts a new thread that has already been answered fifty times, but on the other hand, there are pretty many 20+ page threads. It might be helpful to suggest to someone what they should have searched for, and try the search to see if it works. Just today I was trying to find the registry tweak that would eliminate the roaming indicator, but I couldn't remember what the thing did, so it took forever to find the registry tweak, and this for something I knew I had read on the board at some point in the past.
Here is what I think is actually better than most sites: the wiki. The wikis are uniformly high quality and some people have written fabulous how-tos.
My pet theory is that it is windows at fault. Things like activesync being so hilariously dysfunctional and the X meaning minimize on the PPC cause tempers to rise just a little too easily. Palm users are happier.
On the other hand, without XDA-developers, my MDA would have been approximately useless. The list of problems that were answered, either directly or indirectly, here is huge. Everything from ROM upgrades to TodayAgenda to 2.47 radio rom to wifi settings to wm5newmenu, I got them here. It is a wonderful resource.

I came here from esato, former sony ericsson user ditched it with the p990
if you really want to get flamed say I didn't like the p990 on esato or god forbid the tytn is better than it (I had both got rid of the p990) basically compare anything or say anything is better than a S.E. phone and you'll get your diehard fanboys by the dozens.
anyways some people get flamed here beacuse they are total noobs who don't bother to read anything, I agree they shouldn't get flamed that bad but they should do a little reading, there is a wealth of information in these forums,
as for asking I try to reply to anyone who asks something I know and if anybody needs anything please feel free to pm me I will answer when I can, although posting a forum gives more views as well as future reference for future noobs

I think this site provides so much useful information and it has kept many devices going when they would have gone in the bin. It has allowed a lot of older devices to still have the current operating system. I think half the time people have got home from work and are on a short fuse any way and any little thing pushes them over the edge and that is what causes the bickering. Just my thoughts on the matter.

darky said:
anyways some people get flamed here beacuse they are total noobs who don't bother to read anything, I agree they shouldn't get flamed that bad but they should do a little reading, there is a wealth of information in these forums,
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I'm not sure if I'm the "temperamental" one here, but yes, that is a very annoying thing. They act as if the members here are google, and they just type in a search sentence "Nood here, please give me a clear, step-by-step, easy to flash my ROM", click a button, and you get the answer. Not to mentioned the lack of information they provide, which can be potentially harmful to them consider they don't even know which ROM to get. And when things go wrong, they will post a new thread with the title "Pleeeeaazzz help".
The another annoying thing is the lack of information. Some members will post problems with so little information that they delay the solution to their very own questions, and annoying for the helpers. Eg. "I downloaded the flash software and ROM, but now the phone won't start, please help". Then, you try to be helpful and suggest "Why don't you try program X?". Later, you will get the answer "Oh, I've already tried that, won't work. Any other suggestion?" .. I will be like.. why don't you said so in your first post? ggrrrr..
Anyway, now I've developed an habbit of ignoring such posts. Those (a) Step by step guide for total nood (b) Thread with Pleeazzz help title (c) Post with lack of information. This will make me.. less "temperamental", I guess.
Anyway, as for the Wiki, I still thinks there are not enough information in the Wiki, such that it makes members difficult to point noobs to simple/common tasks. And, it also makes the non-noobs (the oldies ) going around the search function to answer something that they've forgot. So, for those who are happy to help others, please contribute yourself to the Wiki. Personally, I think it is much more influential to get one thing onto the Wiki than answering 10 PMs. And you get to point them to the Wiki if the same problem surfaced.
I'm temperamental beware

Well I remember when I got my MDAIII back over a year ago and came across this site thanks to google. So like a noob that I was and in many areas still our I posted one of those "how do I upgrade my german MDAIII to English.
Well I can tell you what has changed over the last year. Back then I got NO ANSWER, no falming, no use search, no use wiki.
So over time this site has changed and now at least you can get a reply even if this is thought by many as beeing flamed at.
Over time I learnt 2 things, one to read and one to use search. The reading I have kept the Search well that is a Pain in the ass. In the blue angel section (upgrade) do a search for "new rom" and you get Zero, its a bug we are working on it but it still sucks. Now in the same BA Upgrade section do a search for Threads by "MDAIIIUser". Here you get "New Rom" "new rom:" "New rom!" and the like.
Myself I have stoped the use search as I cant use it myself in the form that I want. Sad but true.
So what is the solutiom, for me it was then wiki, sure I had to post on how to edit it but with time I could even work it out. So from there I found out how to upgrade and posted it on wiki, found roms and posted them, found an unlocker, cabs and a bunch of stuff that I thought was cool of intrest and useful. So I posted it in wiki, edited it when new roms came out, ect bla bal.
Well Time moved on and I got bored after the 3 WM5 rom and well nothing else happens in the BA section the device is dead only sold by a few and thus.... I left it.
Now there is lots of grest info here, lots of great people that have found out lots of cool tricks. Its what makes this site, not the how do I upgrade or should I perform a restore after a rom upgrade. However noobs, newbies what ever we might like to discredit them as have a right to be here, I riight to the information and a right to some constructive help.
What we should all do is keep wiki upto date which is a lot easiser for a new member as he is driven by the quest of knowlege than an old member that does nto realy care in which direction his rom goes to as there is nothing new.
So I am not going to search the wiki pages for who finds this sites attitude bad but himslef has failed to update wiki, nor try to work out which users are helpful or flame.
All I am trying to say and now we get to the short version, is be nice, remember that you to were lost on this site and Please update wiki.
Oh yes, you will find a posts from me that just read "moved to XX (BA, Universal, hermes) but you will also see my signature which should point some people in the correct direction. Could I have answered all of there questions, yes sometims, sometimes not. So why don't I? well that due to the fact that some of us try to keep the site clean.

personally i feel the same way as the orginal poster...but i do see where some of yall are coming from with n00bs askin the same ? thats been answered before. i currently run a forum and have that problem sometimes. im no complete n00b just a novice with all this hackin/developin and i noticed i postd some ?s months ago with no responses at all and yes i searched for the answer and vj u had even posted in that thread but i never got a response. i didnt get mad....i pmd someone who helped me out the best he could since he was as new as me. i have found pm to be the best method of recieving help on this board....even tho at times "anal retentive" members dont even respond to say anything....no "f off" no "yea sure do this..." no "try looking here" just no response at all leaving n00bs to think i better not post if i dont know fully what im talking about.....i personally think the community would be better if everyone treated everyone as they would like to have been treated wheb they were n00bs. we all were at one point and time......shezzzzz......dont u guys remember? well all this is imho.
~mike

this does not apply to newbie's only.
i have asked about five times for help in here, responses 2
so i have been forced to read ,sometimes i find the answer some times
not.
pm several user for help. reply; 1
i receive several pms asking for help every week, i try to help ,but some people never give up. suddenly u become their personal google.
i got a guy now asking to write a a full tutorial in how to cook a rom. yea right!!
like an don’t have anything to do.
so I email him and said I was very busy at the moment, I would try to help when I had time.
following day got word from him. have you got time yet? !!!! now I get an email from him everyday. he says hi is in a hurry!!!!

faria
Love your newbie read this!

faria said:
I email him and said I was very busy at the moment, I would try to help when I had time.
following day got word from him. have you got time yet? !!!! now I get an email from him everyday. he says hi is in a hurry!!!!
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rofl

here is a good example of why people get temperamental
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1038017&posted=1#post1038017

State of the Forum/Newbies

Okay, this post is really intended as a comment and I am not going to pretend I have THE answer but I do have some suggestions to spark discussion.
Based on a lot of the recent comments and back and forth about newbies/tech support I think that the forum is trending the same way I have seen MANY other forums go. What happens is simple; a group of first adopters, who are by default, technically capable, get together on a forum and start to fill in the gaps in tech support, especially when it comes to 'modded' soft or hardwre. They spend a while helping each other out and a comfort level develops. Members know where to go, and when to ask questions.
Then what happens is that the hardware becomes much more popular. All of a sudden your average Joe can walk out a Cingular store with a 8125 for a couple hundred bucks. These folks are NOT early adopters. They are not necessarily tech savvy. They are the people that are most prone to 'keyboard to chair interface errors'. Since the early members did such a good job raising the profile of the forum it starts to come up every time someone does a Google search. and they all end up over their heads.
So then the folks that have been around for a while start to get frustrated. Why should they provide tech support? Why can't these newbies read? Why should they even try to help if they get barraged by stupid questions?
Well I think that takes us to where we are now, so the question is what do we do now? In my experience the only solution that I have seen is to have people equally dedicated to wiki and sticky writing as they are to writing ROMs and programs. The truth is that if you release something you WILL become tech support and a large part of tech support is writing documentation and then explaining it to others.
I have intended this post as something helpful and to spark discussion, not as a criticism of anyone in particular or any particular group. Hopefully it will be taken as such

I agree. I get the feeling that since the relaunch, for one reason or another, there appears to be a lot more"Why don't my apps close when I press X?" and "How dat I swtich this thing 0ff!!!!!!!" type posts.
I think that it's beholden on more experienced users to try to share their experience as they see fit, but it's absolutely essential that newbs and less experienced users use the search button and wiki.
I've been sponsoring a post in the moderators' forum regarding having a specific section for Tutorials etc, eg for the excellent posts that Menneisyys puts together. The wiki may not be the best place for them (due to the risk of negative edits), although it's certainly better then people never looking at them at all...
But as you say, it's pretty much predicted by psychohistory that all fora of dedicated people will eventually turn into a tech support. I don't mind, but less experienced must use the resources already online - quid pro quo.
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As a new user on this forum i have noticed inconsitant information about G3 vs G4 devices and ROM upgrading. I've seen questions asked by people about G4 devices that go unanswered.
I think the problem with searching on this forum and many others. They do not allow you to search for 3 or fewer letter acronyms such as IPL, SPL, CID. There is no way to search for answers about these things. If there is a setting on the forum that can be changed to allow searching for these terms, then please fix it.
I think when people start posting info about how they did something they need to specify what hardware they are using G3/G4. Thankfully i havent done anything as far as modding my device, but i had seen posts where someone most likely with a G3 device says they figured out how to do this or that, Then someone with a G4 comes along and tried it, not knowing it was done on a G3 and ended up screwing up their device. We need to clearly specify what hardware we are doing mods on.
I still have no clear answer about CID unlocking a G4. I know there is no free utility to do it. Ive seen posts that say the imei-check site can CID unlock. Then i saw a post this morning that imei-check is only a SIM unlock. Can people please provide clear info?

d0ug said:
As a new user on this forum i have noticed inconsitant information about G3 vs G4 devices and ROM upgrading. I've seen questions asked by people about G4 devices that go unanswered.
I think the problem with searching on this forum and many others. They do not allow you to search for 3 or fewer letter acronyms such as IPL, SPL, CID. There is no way to search for answers about these things. If there is a setting on the forum that can be changed to allow searching for these terms, then please fix it.
I think when people start posting info about how they did something they need to specify what hardware they are using G3/G4. Thankfully i havent done anything as far as modding my device, but i had seen posts where someone most likely with a G3 device says they figured out how to do this or that, Then someone with a G4 comes along and tried it, not knowing it was done on a G3 and ended up screwing up their device. We need to clearly specify what hardware we are doing mods on.
I still have no clear answer about CID unlocking a G4. I know there is no free utility to do it. Ive seen posts that say the imei-check site can CID unlock. Then i saw a post this morning that imei-check is only a SIM unlock. Can people please provide clear info?
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I agree with you d0ug! It is rather confusing to navigate and find your way. Especially when you are a n00b, such as myself. I have been trying to mod my phone for 3 days now. I have tried many ways of unlocking my G3, but none of them have worked. I have listened to 3 different people tell me their "way" of unlocking the phone, and all 3 attempts failed in the end. I get flamed for not reading posts or searching, when i did, just nothing relevant popped up! This is not a whine fest, just saying that some people dont have phones that were built on a Wednesday, like mine that was probably built on a Monday and has issues!
Either way, i called Cingular and they are shipping me a brand new 8125 to test things out on!
Canon

Haven't been a wizard user that long although I've been in the ppc scene in about 5 years and quite active in several forums. The most successful solution that I've seen to this problem (witch enevitably always comes up) is to not let new users post for at least 7 days and/or forcing them to read various informational topics before getting access to the actual forum.
This will of course not get everyone but has in my experience improved the situation considerably.
Ah well, that's just my two cents

vijay555 said:
I agree. I get the feeling that since the relaunch, for one reason or another, there appears to be a lot more"Why don't my apps close when I press X?" and "How dat I swtich this thing 0ff!!!!!!!" type posts.
I think that it's beholden on more experienced users to try to share their experience as they see fit, but it's absolutely essential that newbs and less experienced users use the search button and wiki.
I've been sponsoring a post in the moderators' forum regarding having a specific section for Tutorials etc, eg for the excellent posts that Menneisyys puts together. The wiki may not be the best place for them (due to the risk of negative edits), although it's certainly better then people never looking at them at all...
But as you say, it's pretty much predicted by psychohistory that all fora of dedicated people will eventually turn into a tech support. I don't mind, but less experienced must use the resources already online - quid pro quo.
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Vijay, very happy to see that the mods are looking at this. I agree that Wiki's have their limitations especially given the validity of some of the comments about conflicting advice.
The search function definitely does have its limits as well, and people are less likely to go through searches that produce a 100 threads with 5 pages each.
I for one would feel a lot better about telling someone harshly to stop answering questions if I knew that I could also direct them to a single place for answers.

I really love this forum and it has helped me so much. I don't post much except to say "thank you" from time to time to the people who have made some program that has been helpful to me. And although I have been coming to this board every day for over a year I still don't know half as much as the majority of people here.
Some solutions to this problem are:
1) get frustrated and write a mean message to the noob
2) take a minute and just give the link to the page where the answer is
3) make it easier on this forum to find things

_Nomad_ said:
Haven't been a wizard user that long although I've been in the ppc scene in about 5 years and quite active in several forums. The most successful solution that I've seen to this problem (witch enevitably always comes up) is to not let new users post for at least 7 days and/or forcing them to read various informational topics before getting access to the actual forum.
This will of course not get everyone but has in my experience improved the situation considerably.
Ah well, that's just my two cents
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That could be nice... part of the things that had contributed to the bad search results are the tons of new threads asking the very same questions over and over and over again... is there anyway to disable these threads from showing up in the search results? Maybe it's time for us to out up another sticky thread specifically talking abóut G4 devices =)

vseehua said:
That could be nice... part of the things that had contributed to the bad search results are the tons of new threads asking the very same questions over and over and over again... is there anyway to disable these threads from showing up in the search results? Maybe it's time for us to out up another sticky thread specifically talking abóut G4 devices =)
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I would like to see a thread dedicated to G4 devices, with verified correct information in it.
It isnt just people asking the same questions over and over making the search junk. Its the inability to even search for simple short 3 letter acronyms like CID, IPL, SPL, AKU. These are all things I have tried to search for and get 0 results. If I were able to search for these terms I could probably turn up a wealth of information on my own.

_Nomad_ said:
Haven't been a wizard user that long although I've been in the ppc scene in about 5 years and quite active in several forums. The most successful solution that I've seen to this problem (witch enevitably always comes up) is to not let new users post for at least 7 days and/or forcing them to read various informational topics before getting access to the actual forum.
This will of course not get everyone but has in my experience improved the situation considerably.
Ah well, that's just my two cents
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That would work me thinks!!!!!

Hi all,
I've been reading this forum for weeks now and still have not found enough answers to be secure enough and cid-unlock my G3 2.21 vario.
I HAVE indeed read most relevant threads, although navigating them can be somewhat confusing. However When I posted some -in my n00b opinion - valid questions I either got 1) no reply whatsoever 2) replies to read "the" threads....which wasn't really helpfull or I wouldn't have asked 3) contradicting advice .... like a 2.21 G3 Can be unlocked, or it Cannot be unlocked, you have to downgrade twice, you have to upgrade twice, you Can or Cannot flash a G4 rom to a G3 device so you won't have to downgrade and CID unlock your phone first, etc.
I believe that I am somewhat beyond the real n00b level right now but still I'd like information to be more consistent and easier to find, I've already tried to suggest making a stickied n00b FAQ or wiki for us where to find the basic answers in a easy and consistent manner so the sdame questions aren't asked over and over and ROM threads hijacked for support questions.
but that is just my cup of tea.
thanks for a good forum with vlauable info.
stefan.

Regular search
Personally, I find using google or yahoo, with site:xda-developers.com, works much better than the forum search. My personal pet peeve is the inability to use quotes to search for phrases. Quotes don't work.
A major problem with "read the threads" is the 800+ entry length of some of them. It would be nice to try to harness the power of those of us newly figuring things out and ask them to submit a wiki for something they just learned. If we had a submission point for the wiki, perhaps those of us who recently learned new things would do a how-to write-up and submit it to the wiki.
Finally, there are a lot of repeat threads, many with false or useless information. These threads stand in the way of a searcher. I would be happier if the moderators deleted more bad threads. Alternatively, we could use democracy -- add a "vote to delete" button to every thread not posted by a moderator and if a high enough percentage vote to delete, the thread is gone. I'd suggest 20% as a threshold -- more than that and the thread goes away.

Have been reading all your comments and completely agree with you guys... I see you have specific problems on G3/G4 on Wizards, as someone suggested a separate subforum for G4 devices would be ideal for you, and also for Prophet I guess.
About the search functions I'm also using google to search as a fallback when I can't find specific things using vBulletin's integrated search function, there's a thread on the mod forum where we discussed how to improve it, but seems is not very active now... will try to push Flar to do something about that.
Regarding the wiki, I think everyone should be less afraid to edit, if you look at the "recent changes" you see always the same people is editing. Have a look at the Hermes or BlueAngel wiki pages, these are good examples on how info has to be organized on the wiki, it's easy to find everything on the front page and information is well divided. Formating may seem a bit complicated at the beginning, but you don't have to care too much if you just want to add content, sure someone more experienced with wiki syntax will edit and correct any bad formating mistakes.

I do 100% agree with you that the wiki itself doesn't cover half of what it should. Yet if you take the time to read through it, and the links, you should be quite familiar with your device...
And oh yeah, sure, you can't search for keywords less than four characters, but that's not really an excuse... look at the thread containing the latest Faria ROM. Half... Half of what the thread contains is the same question over and over again... those ppl didn't even read the initial post of the thread... they found the download link, tried to install the ROM, got problem and went right to work, posting their (stupid) question all over again and again... The problem was never the limited search capabilities... It's always the ppl...
A board without limitations always get bloated with crap, whether it's unwanted commercial och just plain stupid posts...
So, unfortunatly this is going to continue unless you put constraints on the board... I'm sorry, but that's what's gonna happen.

Seems to me that since this was posted the situation has sorta escalated... Faria, Molski, risidoro and just now Dr P has announced their leave.
In this rate all that'll be left will be the newbies soon. Sad to witness

_Nomad_ said:
And oh yeah, sure, you can't search for keywords less than four characters, but that's not really an excuse... look at the thread containing the latest Faria ROM. Half... Half of what the thread contains is the same question over and over again... those ppl didn't even read the initial post of the thread... they found the download link, tried to install the ROM, got problem and went right to work, posting their (stupid) question all over again and again... The problem was never the limited search capabilities... It's always the ppl...
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It's also very human.
_Nomad_ said:
A board without limitations always get bloated with crap, whether it's unwanted commercial och just plain stupid posts...
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There just should be enough moderators. Now what happens when you write something stupid is you also get useless answers like "don't do that" which just makes everything even worse. There should be a "FAQ"-section, there should be a "how-to"-section etc...but there isn't. The forum structure is FAR TOO SIMPLE to handle the amount of messages.
Two main things to handle this (just my opinion):
Re-designed forum structure
Moderators
(well, the structure should be designed in the first place so that it would be easy to extend it later...not an easy job)

prestonmcafee said:
...A major problem with "read the threads" is the 800+ entry length of some of them. It would be nice to try to harness the power of those of us newly figuring things out...
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I usually suggest to those asking questions to post the solution to their question in the first post. But I'm over at the Mio forums, and since we only have 4500 peps, the mods aren't overwhelmed. I can lock a thread, post the correct thread to post in, and a few days later, delete the thread. I spend 1/2 my time using the search function to consolidate questions into single threads. But like I said, that's not feasible here. I suggest a PM sent to everyone the registers, that is kind of a quick start guide. I understand why the 3 letter limit, because people type words like "the" and "and". I'm not sure how powerful the forum software is, but it would be nice to remove the size limit, and omit such words as mentioned above, from the search.
Regards,
Jason

mlehtola said:
There should be a "FAQ"-section, there should be a "how-to"-section etc...but there isn't. The forum structure is FAR TOO SIMPLE to handle the amount of messages.
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Ummm, have you ever taken the time to look at the Wiki?
This forum is being provided to us basically for free. (Except for voluntary donations.) I personally can't afford to donate $$$ to the community, or for that matter to individual developers, so I dedicate some time to post in the forums to share what I've learned. I have also donated time to updating the Wiki.
If the Wiki doesn't contain all you would like it to, just add it yourself! One brief tutorial could make a world of difference to a newbie, or even a more experienced user. It also helps to point out gaps in the general knowledge we have here in these forums.
If, for example, there isn't a sub-forum for the device you use, you don't have to wait for the moderators, etc. to create it. Just create a Wiki page, and get the ball rolling on your own!
Take the initiative! That's what these forums were founded on!
Just my opinion.
Now go have fun!

JKR said:
I suggest a PM sent to everyone the registers, that is kind of a quick start guide. I understand why the 3 letter limit, because people type words like "the" and "and". I'm not sure how powerful the forum software is, but it would be nice to remove the size limit, and omit such words as mentioned above, from the search.
Regards,
Jason
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First of all, you get much better, and more detailed search results by using a search-engine like Google. Their advanced search features do a fantastic job, and can be fine tuned to search only through a specific site. (i.e. http://forum.xdadevelopers.com )
Secondly, as opposed to a PM, possibly an email with a confirmation link after the introductory information.
Hope this helps....
Now go have fun!

I think it is more synonymous of the world today, do you read the manual when you buy a new stereo or mobile phone, or do you dig in saying 'nah i know how it works it'll be ok'. People just dont take the time to understand first, they think they know it all and then the proverbial hits the fan! As an experienced R&D firmware developer it doesn't matter how easy I make the interface you will always get those that stuff it up!
So not such an easy one to fix, you have given the masses a place to ask the ridiculous and the tools to stuff up easily, How do you fix that?
Riptos

JF 1.5 (cupcake ) and MyFavs

Installed JF 1.5 (cupcake) and myfavs are gone. Is this normal as NOT part of the build?
I would like to get back if possible.
Also in the brouser auto-rotate was possible in JF 1.42 r33 and now its not working at all and landscape is not a feature under settings.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!
TIA

Please, please, please read and search the existing threads (in this case the JF 1.5 thread) rather than starting a new thread.
In general I favor creating a new thread when you have a specific question for anything, the exception being about about the custom ROMs. The convention here is to keep the ROM discussion to the ROM thread and it does cut down on the noise in the forums.
In this case both of your questions have been answered on JFs 1.5 thread (multiple times)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3722985&highlight=Myfaves#post3722985
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3728201&highlight=rotate#post3728201

JanetPanic said:
Please, please, please read and search the existing threads (in this case the JF 1.5 thread) rather than starting a new thread.
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Sorry but I do have a life and I don't always the time to read thru 28 pages. If I have the time I do search and read!!! I'm sure you never started a thread with a question that has been already answered!!!
Anyways!!! Thanks for the links!!!

Might I humbly suggest if you do not have time to search and read then wait until you do have time? Everyone here (with the possible exception of myself) has lives as well and would just as soon not have to do others work for them.
It took me longer to type my post than it did to search and provide you the links. In the time it took you to do your posts you could have gotten the answers yourself.
And yes I have asked questions and had it pointed out to me that the question has been asked before and been provided a link to the answer. However I have never posted a question on a forum without first searching as thoroughly as possible. Never. Probably why I have to ask very few questions.

Regardless of how u feel I'm sure this thread will help others.
Again, Thanks for the links!!!

JanetPanic said:
However I have never posted a question on a forum without first searching as thoroughly as possible. Never. Probably why I have to ask very few questions.
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This is a process informally called "lurking", which could be better described as "doing your own goddamn work instead of making other people do it for you." Unfortunately with the widespread attention xda has gotten lately, the ratio of the lazy to the productive has risen significantly.
OP: You don't have a right to run JF software (i.e. it is provided as-is), nor is anyone obligated to provide you troubleshooting. If you don't have the time to read through the sticky threads, then like JP said you should find the time or learn how to better use the search function.

This thread had the opposite effect of helping me... it falsely got up my hopes that the MyFaves app is available, which I previously believed it to not be, having read the rom threads....

monotremata said:
This thread had the opposite effect of helping me... it falsely got up my hopes that the MyFaves app is available, which I previously believed it to not be, having read the rom threads....
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I as well thought someone added myfaves.apk to jf1.5 and re-signed it.

The JF cupcake 1.5 is an ADP version, which by default doesnt include myFaves. You can always wait for another update.
Hope that helps

You know what's even more annoying than someone not searching? ...
People who act like forum police/moderators and jump on the posters back with rude comments and a holier than thou attitude.
Instead of writing paragraphs about how YOU would post- maybe you should either not write anything at all, or, gasp, be curteous and friendly- help someone out, then kindly point out the search function if necessary.
What a concept.

Yeah, some of these threads get up to 200+ pages, with thousands of posts along with it, even a search will bring up a lot of posts. Not all of us have the time (as we work, or go to school, or have lives outside of the internet) to sit down and read through all of them. So it would be easier to answer the OP's question, and just end it there, then to tell him to search and complain like your on hormone pills, haha
But back to the OP question, any T-mobile apps will not be present in an ADP build. We just have to wait until someone gets a hold of the T-mobile build. So until then, just flash back to RC33 if you need myfaves.
You can auto rotate the browser (although other apps will use this function as well) by going to:
SETTINGS > SOUND & DISPLAY
then under "Display settings" make sure "Orientation" is checked, then your browser will rotate.

andonnguyen said:
Not all of us have the time (as we work, or go to school, or have lives outside of the internet) to sit down and read through all of them. So it would be easier to answer the OP's question
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Option A: Everyone who has a problem spends the time to read the entire sticky post, not only solving their problem but also learning in the process.
Option B: Everyone who has a problem posts the same goddamn question over and over again on these forums. The real developers and hackers get sick of it and leave xda-dev.
I choose A.

jashsu said:
Option A: Everyone who has a problem spends the time to read the entire sticky post, not only solving their problem but also learning in the process.
Option B: Everyone who has a problem posts the same goddamn question over and over again on these forums. The real developers and hackers get sick of it and leave xda-dev.
I choose A.
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I just answered the OP's question, so the thread should have no further discussion unless he has more questions. All questions can not be answered with the information found in the sticky threads, so there are people like me, and many other people in these forums who are more than willing to help out another person trying get things running smoothly. If you don't have anything positive to say to the OP and get them going in the right direction, just let other people help.

jashsu said:
OP: You don't have a right to run JF software (i.e. it is provided as-is), nor is anyone obligated to provide you troubleshooting. If you don't have the time to read through the sticky threads, then like JP said you should find the time or learn how to better use the search function.
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Your right NO ONE is obligated to answer my question(s) "and YOUR NOT obligated to respond, so stay the hell out of my thread if your not willing to help!!!"
monotremata and CBowley... sorry didnt mean to miss lead you, thats why I added the "?" mark to the thread.
And to vr24 and andonnguyen thanks for your help and understanding.
Silly of me to think that WE ARE ALL HERE to help each other instead of acting like we are the sh!t and know-it-all's!! Ever try to read 5 pages of a thread using your G1 let alone 20+
Remember where you came from and how it felt not to know things and how it felt to be overwhelmed by all this info and how to apply it. Maybe then you will NOT act like a-holes.

I vote we all complain that proprietary, crappy T-Mobile software don't exist on NON T-Mobile builds of Android. You know, the way it's been since ADP phones were released in 2008. Oh yeah, and we all need to keep acting surprised when they continually don't show up in ADP builds. I think that's best for everyone.

Lakers3408 said:
Silly of me to think that WE ARE ALL HERE to help each other instead of acting like we are the sh!t and know-it-all's!! Ever try to read 5 pages of a thread using your G1 let alone 20+
Remember where you came from and how it felt not to know things and how it felt to be overwhelmed by all this info and how to apply it. Maybe then you will NOT act like a-holes.
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Sorry, you're completely right: There's no point to having stickied threads or search buttons. Everyone should just start a new thread whenever they have a question, regardless of how many times that question has already been asked. Catering to the newbies who are too lazy to use forum tools and letting them overrun the forum is the best thing for the forum. I have seen the light!
postscript: sorry for bumping this failure of a thread, but newbie spam like this is choking out the real purpose this forum and I feel like unless someone takes a stand, [email protected] is going to lose relevance (assuming it hasn't already).

I was kind of hoping this thread would just die away once it left the front page but since it is back...
Lakers3408 said:
Silly of me to think that WE ARE ALL HERE to help each other instead of acting like we are the sh!t and know-it-all's!!
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We are here to help each other. The first step in that is following, or at least considering, the rules set forth on the forums. They are here to help make the forum better. The first 2 are:
1) Search first
2) Be polite
Call me a know it all if you like. It does not change the fact that I am gently (and politely) trying to get you to do what is helpful to everyone on the forums. The vast majority of users here can follow these rules, why not you? I have not called you any names nor denigrated you in any fashion. I am simply asking you to be considerate to other forum users and mindful of the rules. By posting threads like this you generate noise in the forums that makes it harder to find new/original content. This is not an end user forum but one dedicated to technical users capable of researching answers.
Lakers3408 said:
Ever try to read 5 pages of a thread using your G1 let alone 20+
Remember where you came from and how it felt not to know things and how it felt to be overwhelmed by all this info and how to apply it. Maybe then you will NOT act like a-holes.
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No need to read 20+ pages, “search this thread” works just fine on the G1. It is easier than posting as a matter of fact since you do not need to login and requires less typing.

Remeber YOU DONT HAVE TO REPLY, period!! No matter how you feel, YOU DONT HAVE TO REPLY.
In case you cant read, YOU DONT HAVE TO REPLY.
Spanish: usted no tiene que responder
German: Sie haben keine Antwort
French: vous n'avez pas de réponse
Italian: Non si hanno per rispondere
You are NOT obligated/required to reply to anyones thread.
If you want to help then do so, if you dont then dont.
Again THANKS for the links!!!
Now please be a grown up and let this die I already got my answer

While it is sometimes said in an off-putting manner, the forum rules clearly state that you are required to search for the answer to your question prior to creating a new thread. If a search does yield the answer(s) you seek, then find an existing thread related to your problem.
For example: There are several active threads related to Cupcake, so you could have posted in one of those, as opposed to creating a new thread.
Thank you for your understanding. Thread closed.

Was going back to 6.5 fom 6.5.3 a bad idea..

I installed Christian's ROM 6.5.3(clean) then,flashed Spike's 6.5 X1.5 <- BIG MISTAKE...had to hard reset my phone atleast 9 times in 2 days, anything i install, it screws my X1.5 system, finally installed Infinite, workin ok(so far)but am not happy and i want my old Spike's final version(the one before he uploaded the new verssions on 10th Jan)
can sum help me with the link....

Like SERIOUSLY... get a Nokia phone. It'll fix all problems.
Please keep the topics relevant, keep posts to its appropriate threads, stop opening personal FAQ topics, learn to flash properly and learn to search properly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619694
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619268
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619428
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618760
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618348
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612326
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=601306
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=599985
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594976
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594261
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594977
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594262
If you have a problem, stop panicking right away, stop opening new threads for EVERY SINGLE question that you have, use the existing topics for the relative questions.
Can you imagine if 10-15 people on this board started posted every detail of their lives like you do?
Look, i don't post much, but i come to this forum quite a number of times a day.
But every day, i see a new thread posted by "circleofomega"; And every single time i see it, i'm exactly like "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"

cykalu said:
Like SERIOUSLY... get a Nokia phone. It'll fix all problems.
Please keep the topics relevant, keep posts to its appropriate threads, stop opening personal FAQ topics, learn to flash properly and learn to search properly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619694
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619268
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619428
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618760
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618348
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612326
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=601306
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=599985
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594976
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594261
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594977
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594262
If you have a problem, stop panicking right away, stop opening new threads for EVERY SINGLE question that you have, use the existing topics for the relative questions.
Can you imagine if 10-15 people on this board started posted every detail of their lives like you do?
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Thank you! >_>

cykalu said:
Like SERIOUSLY... get a Nokia phone. It'll fix all problems.
Please keep the topics relevant, keep posts to its appropriate threads, stop opening personal FAQ topics, learn to flash properly and learn to search properly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619694
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619268
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619428
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618760
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618348
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612326
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=601306
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=599985
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594976
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594261
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594977
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594262
If you have a problem, stop panicking right away, stop opening new threads for EVERY SINGLE question that you have, use the existing topics for the relative questions.
Can you imagine if 10-15 people on this board started posted every detail of their lives like you do?
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+1!
nicely put

cykalu said:
Like SERIOUSLY... get a Nokia phone. It'll fix all problems.
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Some wise words for you!!!!

DrakenKorin said:
+1!
nicely put
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for someone with 150+ post you think they'll have the intelligence to search or refrain from opening new topics unrelated to rom development...

cykalu said:
Like SERIOUSLY... get a Nokia phone. It'll fix all problems.
Please keep the topics relevant, keep posts to its appropriate threads, stop opening personal FAQ topics, learn to flash properly and learn to search properly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619694
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619268
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619428
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618760
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618348
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612326
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=601306
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=599985
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594976
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594261
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594977
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594262
If you have a problem, stop panicking right away, stop opening new threads for EVERY SINGLE question that you have, use the existing topics for the relative questions.
Can you imagine if 10-15 people on this board started posted every detail of their lives like you do?
Look, i don't post much, but i come to this forum quite a number of times a day.
But every day, i see a new thread posted by "circleofomega"; And every single time i see it, i'm exactly like "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"
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Totally agree !!!

alrite...imsorry, i didnt mean to spam..sorry, apologizes admins...

ryousuke said:
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for someone with 150+ post you think they'll have the intelligence to search or refrain from opening new topics unrelated to rom development...
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I am ahead of him by 2 months, only 30++ post, learn to search and report to help, maybe should give him my old Dupod 898 pro.

its not good to mock someone who is in need of help, but alas, ur 30+ posts and more intelligent, then why dont u help me with my problem....shud i debrief u with it jimk68??
PS: i have already apologized for it if u carefully read the above replies....had a word with the mods too..so i think talking to u doesnt matter..if u can lend me a helping hand, i wil be greatful..

obviously the rom you're using doesnt play well with the software/settings you're using...
you only mentioned 2 roms...
try someone elses?
or use official rom...

Circleofmega,
now you've did it again.
I think it is better for you to take an iphone so you can't fool around yourself!
this is also going to a mod!

circleofomega said:
its not good to mock someone who is in need of help, but alas, ur 30+ posts and more intelligent, then why dont u help me with my problem....shud i debrief u with it jimk68??
PS: i have already apologized for it if u carefully read the above replies....had a word with the mods too..so i think talking to u doesnt matter..if u can lend me a helping hand, i wil be greatful..
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K nobody mock you, after you first post, most member (senior) help you out. As replying to your post at Spike thread you open another 2 thread. (HELP: flash original rom, then choose a rom that you like)
Cheers.

kool..no probs man..i guess we all help eachther out and thats how the world becomes a better place, anyways, i have kinnda found my old ROM(Spike's vERY VERY GOOD ROM) and flashed it..(BTW, i myself discovered that im a senior member last week.....hehe)
PLZ mods close this thread....and SHazad.K, wht havei done, ive just replied to someone who has posted in my thread.now dont tell me thats also not allowed...comon, anyways, this is my last reply here,
Mods: plz close this thread...thanx!

It appears you open a new thread for every little thing instead of try & testing yourself. To gain knowledge and become a proper senior member you need to read, read, read and search, search search. Hopefully you will try this
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