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Buying a Kaiser

Hello everyone,
I currently have a Qtek 9100 (Wizard) and, since I'm changing my phone operator, I have the opportunity to have a brand new phone at low cost, and I chose the Kaiser.
BUT, reading a little bit forum like these, i falled on the issue of the "missing" hardware acceleration of the graphic chip.
What I am looking for is:
* Having the same video quality with my Wizard (TCPMP, under WM5, i'm totally satisfied and I downsample my videos, i won't be annoyed to do the same).
* Having at least the same other capability that I use (PocketOffice, WIFI/GSM etc... Web browsing ...)
* HAVING A "REAL" KEYBOARD (not on screen only)
Do you think I should buy something else ? What should i look to ?
Thank in advance and sorry for my frenchy english

acidbao said:
Hello everyone,
I currently have a Qtek 9100 (Wizard) and, since I'm changing my phone operator, I have the opportunity to have a brand new phone at low cost, and I chose the Kaiser.
BUT, reading a little bit forum like these, i falled on the issue of the "missing" hardware acceleration of the graphic chip.
What I am looking for is:
* Having the same video quality with my Wizard (TCPMP, under WM5, i'm totally satisfied and I downsample my videos, i won't be annoyed to do the same).
* Having at least the same other capability that I use (PocketOffice, WIFI/GSM etc... Web browsing ...)
* HAVING A "REAL" KEYBOARD (not on screen only)
Do you think I should buy something else ? What should i look to ?
Thank in advance and sorry for my frenchy english
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Apart from the Video acceleration driver, Kaiser is great. I think soon there will be an accelerated driver available, so Kaiser will be finally the best

gabriel31337 said:
Apart from the Video acceleration driver, Kaiser is great. I think soon there will be an accelerated driver available, so Kaiser will be finally the best
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I hope you are right(about the driver).

All the screaming for hw video accelaration is somewhat out of proportions. With a cooked ROM, configured for performance, the Kaiser is a fast efficient and well-working unit.
You can playback livestreamed youtube videos perfectly with TCMP, high-resolution and bitrate content such as movies won't run smooth unless you downsample them to a more fitting resolution and bitrate. Then they'll playback ok, unless you're an audio/videophile.
As for graphic performance, ported old classics such as Quake and Duke3D runs ok with framerates of 30+ with no problems. All kinds of 2D-games works just fine. Of course, really hefty modern 3D-stuff will give you more problems.
All in all I find the Kaiser a great device with a fantastic community that will probably keep it "alive" in terms of modding, ROMs, tweaks and hacks for a good while into the future. What bugs people, is the fact that it got a great potential hardwarewise thats not fully utilized at the moment, particularly due to the lack of those drivers.
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Mikulec said:
I hope you are right(about the driver).
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Me too

So the video will never be worst than a Wizard ? Ok
Do you think I should wait like for one month if HTC does the jerk and release a new generation Kaiser with HW acceleration that will not be available on current releases ?
Finally, i don't want to be offensive toward all to your great jobs done on ROM modding (i actually mod everything i have, my routers, my iRiver etc...) but will the performance acceptable if I don't intent to take that risk (actually i will try to mod my old wizard first when i get the Kaiser) ?

M4cr0s said:
All the screaming for hw video accelaration is somewhat out of proportions. With a cooked ROM, configured for performance, the Kaiser is a fast efficient and well-working unit.
You can playback livestreamed youtube videos perfectly with TCMP, high-resolution and bitrate content such as movies won't run smooth unless you downsample them to a more fitting resolution and bitrate. Then they'll playback ok, unless you're an audio/videophile.
As for graphic performance, ported old classics such as Quake and Duke3D runs ok with framerates of 30+ with no problems. All kinds of 2D-games works just fine. Of course, really hefty modern 3D-stuff will give you more problems.
All in all I find the Kaiser a great device with a fantastic community that will probably keep it "alive" in terms of modding, ROMs, tweaks and hacks for a good while into the future. What bugs people, is the fact that it got a great potential hardwarewise thats not fully utilized at the moment, particularly due to the lack of those drivers.
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I agree that kaiser is great, I like him too, but I will like him more if he is like he was supposed to be.
btw you forgot the camera issue

Mikulec said:
I agree that kaiser is great, I like him too, but I will like him more if he is like he was supposed to be.
btw you forgot the camera issue
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True that, the Kaiser camera isn't that great, but its not that bad either. Depends a lot on your preferences i.e. do you expect a mobile phone kind of camera or a semi-standalone camera like the dedicated cameraphones of SE and to a lesser extent Nokia, Samsung and LG.
Personally I found that taking pic's when the cam is set to 1 megapixel, brightnes to -1, -1,5 or -2 works way better than in 2 and 3 megapixel resolutions Its faster, better with light and produces 1280x960 pic's thats mostly ok for normal computer use. That said, you don't buy a Kaiser if you want a standalone-camera replacer.
The camera can probably be considerabely improved by ROM-upgrades, hardware video accelaration and better camera software.
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M4cr0s said:
That said, you don't buy a Kaiser if you want a standalone-camera replacer.
The camera can probably be considerabely improved by ROM-upgrades, hardware video accelaration and better camera software.
/Mac
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yes, I agree. But when you want to make a quick picture of something, it is almost impossible. But for steady pics its ok.

Camera Performance on Tytn2 - my take

I have read alot of the threads involving the performance of the camera (in video mode and when operating the camera in still mode before taking a still image) and blaming this on the tytn2's lack of hardware video rendering. I have made some observations as a photographer.
My opinion is that the performance is due more to the exposure/sensitivity of the CCD than to the graphical rendering of the tytn2.
For example - in low light, the camera really suffers from low frames per second. Could this be due to the lack of sensitivity of the CCD i.e. the need to expose each frame longer per second to render the scene. The Tytns2's graphical engine can only display an image once it has received one from the camera, therefore providing slow frame per second updates.
Point the camera outdoors or directly at an indoor light and the fps of the camera shoots up to over 20 fps. The camera needs to expose the scene less , i.e. the shutter speed is quicker. The camera imagery is feeding more frames to the graphic hardware to render and therefore the fps goes up.
I would love the Tytn2 to render dark indoor scenes in a more fluid way but I feel this is a short fall of the camera hardware and not the graphic engine that is waiting for frames of imagery from it.
My orignial tytn does reproduce better results indoors and has a faster display update when framing stills or using moving video - BUT - the tytn only has a 2mp CCD.
Clearly there is a problem with lack of suitable graphic drivers from HTC but has the benefit from having a 3mp camera in the Tytn2 meant a trade off in camera video indoor performance??
Just my take!
Thanks
Stu

While what you say might make some sense I think it's a very steep performance drop. Too steep to just be explained by exposure issues?
I haven't really experienced a similair issue with any other camera. If you know of other products with similar problems is the performance drop really that bad?

I suppose wishing for an option that disables auto-brightness is going to get me no-where

I have to agree on this one; the fact that the camera performs nearly perfectly in good lighting does seem a little odd - I suppose performance issues could be introduced by the CPU rather than the GPU having to increase the brightness of each frame to display on the preview screen though?

undac said:
While what you say might make some sense I think it's a very steep performance drop. Too steep to just be explained by exposure issues?
I haven't really experienced a similair issue with any other camera. If you know of other products with similar problems is the performance drop really that bad?
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Yes I agree, which leads me believe it is the camera in the Tytn2 which is the problem. In good light the camera responds well - or should I say the graphics engine is able to do its job rendering the scene without any lag as it isn't waiting for the camera to send it data. The graphics engine either works or it doesn't. It is having to render a 320x240 image regardless of whether the camera is in low or good light.
If it can do this well in good light then, given a decent camera app, it should have no problem in low light. I am running the new V5 camera app from HTC btw.
Could I just say that I have signed the petition, as I believe there are other issues with the D3D drivers which have other implication on other apps.
Rgds
Stu

smads said:
My opinion is that the performance is due more to the exposure/sensitivity of the CCD than to the graphical rendering of the tytn2.
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Also as an amateur-photographer, I totally agree with Stu on this. I like how you explained it!
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eddythepeddy said:
Also as an amateur-photographer, I totally agree with Stu on this. I like how you explained it!
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cheers Eddy

smads said:
My opinion is that the performance is due more to the exposure/sensitivity of the CCD than to the graphical rendering of the tytn2.
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CCD! Thats it! I was talking about this in another post and had CMOS stuck in my mind, not CCD! Comparing results from a proper camera set to 3MP and the Kaiser the results vary a lot, especially in poorer lighting conditions, or scenes with a lot of colour. I have also noticed image quality differs between my 3yr old Nikon D70 DSLR (6MP) and brand new Casio Exilm compact (7.2MP) (the Nikon is better) and I'm sure this has to do with the quality of the Nikon hardware compared to the Casio. With this knowledge, I don't think any driver improvements are going to increase the performance / quality of the Kaiser camera.

Then why does Qualcomm's site say the camera can record 640x480 but that is not a setting on the Kaiser? Should this be easy to change?

What you say does makes sense, haven't really thought of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9b1L7m7G0Y
This clip was shot on a Touch Dual (also 2mp CCD) in normal indoor lightning, is the fps anything like the Tytn?
I dont know what fps I was getting but when the device is turned away from a close bright source of light the fps drops noticeably.
Anyway, I can't say I'm pleased with the camera on my device. Nor overall video performance for that matter.

Honestly, whats the point of having the settings where you can switch different lightings when that dayum camera stays in night mode, no matter what setting you choose?

What do you mean by different lightings? If you mean the part where you can change the white balance for sunlight, light bulbs etc, then thats to stop the colour cast you would get otherwise. Sunlight would be normal, a incandescent bulb would be very orange, flourescent green (i think). If you mean something else, please clarify.

Any camera is dependent on how much light actually striikes the recording element... film or digital doesn't matter.
Also as a photog, one thing I've learn these years past is the more light you can get to strike whatever it is actually recording the image, the better the image clarity and true to life the color will be. So, a larger lens, or a lens with better glass (clarity) that lets in more light will almost always yield the better picture, all other settings and environmental variables being the same.
This likely applies to the SLR comparison above. I don't think this necessarily applies to the 8925 to 8525 comparison, as both seem equally tiny. However, my 8925 isn't yet a week old, and I've already got a scratch across the "lens" built into the battery cover. Also, this phone shoots through not one, but two pieces of plastic over the actual lens (or the outermost piece of glass that comprises said lens). I don't see how that can be good at all.
FWIW, sure the pictures are physically bigger (space on disc), but I agree with the consensus, the result isn't as good as the previous model except in bright (such as day) light.

Steve-C said:
What do you mean by different lightings? If you mean the part where you can change the white balance for sunlight, light bulbs etc, then thats to stop the colour cast you would get otherwise. Sunlight would be normal, a incandescent bulb would be very orange, flourescent green (i think). If you mean something else, please clarify.
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yes, that's what I meant, thanks, I couldn't figure out the name of those settings for the life of me!

Back to the CCD vs. driver issue. I don't believe this is a CCD issue. Doesn't the HTC Advantage use the same CCD? 3mp? If so does that camera suffer the same HORRIBLE low light performance? If not which I don't think it does it's not the CCD but the rendering. Also the Advantage uses a different chipset which would really show it's not the CCD but point directly at the chipset/lack of driver.
Also my HTC Touch performs WAY better in low light than my Kaiser. Why would HTC purchase a "newer" CCD that performs worse than their previous CCD? Why I ask?!
Does anyone else feel like the people running these smartphone manufacturing businesses do not have their finger on the pulse of the community? And I'm not talking about low expectation every day average Joe who's only phone they ever had was a Motorola Razr and could care less as long as they can check their email and get text messages... I'm talking about XDA community type people. People who want a PC in their pocket(with a phone built in). Not just a phone in their pocket that checks email...

juiceppc said:
Also my HTC Touch performs WAY better in low light than my Kaiser. Why would HTC purchase a "newer" CCD that performs worse than their previous CCD? Why I ask?!
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Because they are cøcks.
But think of it this way:
Why would HTC purchase a "newer" Graphics chip that performs worse than their previous Graphics chip?

it's all about the money guys!
just think.. they put a ****ty one that is cheaper in lots of Kaiser..
People think.. oh Kaiser.. it's the best PDA around..
It must have all the best..
and then it turns out that they can do this things..
they can make a very large profit (cause of the millions PDA's sold arround the world).. changing just a few pieces..
well it's just a theory!
comment i'm insane

well looks like i'm crazy after all
cheers.

CAMERA on WM 6.1 ??

I'm thinking about upgrading the ROM of my Kaiser... but since I've hearing some issues (freezes, incompatibilities,...) I wanted to know how the Camera works.
Does the Camera works as bad as before the patch for ROM 6.0 ?
Thank you!

migueloncete said:
I'm thinking about upgrading the ROM of my Kaiser... but since I've hearing some issues (freezes, incompatibilities,...) I wanted to know how the Camera works.
Does the Camera works as bad as before the patch for ROM 6.0 ?
Thank you!
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I am not big camera freek, so I dont have big requirements. But I think the camera is good in outdoor areas or in areas with good light.

seems just as good if not better to me... but like mikulec im not a big camera freak.

Ok, thanks!

I don't think there's much difference in all honesty - it's still slow and blurry in low light. I've not examined the pictures so can't comment on any quality increase there - it does at least have the camera hotfix pre-applied though.

Poor camera quality any solutions?

Hi guyz,
Sorry to disturb you, but I would like to know from you about the quality of TyTn II camera. I found the camera pics from kaiser on the net very clear, which is much better than what I get on my own kaiser camera. Have you guyz come across with any such problem or knows any way out of this. Would be glad to know if there are any solutions of tweaks to get the camera work well.

Best Video Capture Program for X1?

Does anyone have a program they'd recommend for quality video capture.
Like quality good enough to use in making film

never heard of generic capture programs for ppc
as far as I know the only programs which can capture at all
are the camera apps written to support the camera build into the device
also even though it says 640_480 30fps which is too low to be used in films imho
it's not as good as that people report that the 30fps often is closer to 15fps (like the limitation of the american x1's because of the pattent lawsuit between broacom and qualcomm)
and this is not really a x1 thing it's more a all phones thing android, wm, iphone or nokia you name it

Im looking for good video recording software too. But i prefer bitrate over framerate and resolution. Both X1 camera and HTC camera (i think htc is sligthly better) are recording in very low bitrate.

Professional recording needs pro equipment. Phone sensor are pathetic, small and can't provide good results (with a few exceptions).
X1's camera is for recreational needs lol. If you want a good camera buy a HD handheld one or something.