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I've read, I think, everything in here about Extended ROM.
I know it is possible to unlock it, and I've done it.
I know it is possible to create a custom ROM.
What I wonder is, how useful and/or important is this?
Putting more items into Extended ROM does not increase the available RAM or storage ROM, does it? I thought at first that programs installed from there, stayed in that area, and didn't take up precious storage ROM, but that doesn't seem to be the case. (If it IS, then there really IS a huge value to it, so correct me if I am wrong)
Since the Extended ROM only has a little under 10 MB available, and I've got scads of room on my 2 GB SD card, of what value is it to put my loading programs onto Extended ROM? The only value I have been able to determine is that everything that is in the Extended ROM will automatically reload upon Hard Reset, where if I have it on my SD card I have to manually reinstall after each Hard Reset. Now, auto-loading programs, is in itself a NICE thing, but not a critical thing, yes/no?
Please enlighten me if there are more good things about tweaking the Extended ROM that I have missed.
I look forward to a lively discussion, or to be shot down in flames if I am looking at this with a blind eye.
IMHO you're right that putting CABs into Extended ROM is not that useful. For me, a recent backup is much more useful
But you can install apps into Extended ROM, saving internal storage space this way. Why not a storage card? There are apps that are better not to be installed on a storage cards, like Today plug-ins. Also, there are people who have more than one flash card, and they need software to access card's content installed somewhere off the cards (to play movies or to format cards)... Extended ROM is here.
You may find other reasons, but the key point is: the most useful feature of Extended ROM is to install apps on it.
I keep my ringtones there as well.
As I understand it...
cushcalc said:
Putting more items into Extended ROM does not increase the available RAM or storage ROM, does it? I thought at first that programs installed from there, stayed in that area, and didn't take up precious storage ROM, but that doesn't seem to be the case. (If it IS, then there really IS a huge value to it, so correct me if I am wrong)
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You're right. I believe it acts as a repository for applications or tweaks to be installed to 'personalise' a ROM after a hard reset. Good place for things like operator-specific settings...
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The only value I have been able to determine is that everything that is in the Extended ROM will automatically reload upon Hard Reset, where if I have it on my SD card I have to manually reinstall after each Hard Reset.
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Not everything present in the Extended ROM has to install following a hard reset... what is installed, and in what order, is controlled by the config.txt file. You could have other installation CABs in Extended ROM and just install them later, if you like (browse using Total Commander). Bear in mind also that not all applications can be installed automatically following a hard reset; if an installation requires user input, it can't be installed automatically, because I hear this will crash the installation. Also, I don't think you can choose where automatically-installed apps are put: I think they can go on the device only, not on the Storage Card. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong!!
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Now, auto-loading programs, is in itself a NICE thing, but not a critical thing, yes/no?
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Yep... I don't think any of it is critical, after all ROMs have been released on xda-developers that are totally clean (empty extended ROM, no customisations). But it is useful especially for tweaks and operator-specific settings, etc.
well i am building my own with just the T-mobile uk setting and 2 other cabs files that ring tones and tomtom (map on card). So these are installd when you do a hard reset, so i dont have to bother installing again! (still working on the reg to enter the strings for it to setup my gps pairing on its own)
But i have not do anything like this before, but sick of having to re do everything everytime i hard reset or do a new rom!
mmm... i believe i also read somewhere, that accessing the internal memory is less energy consuming than accessing external storage cards...
but i am really not sure about that...
Hi Guys,
I am a bit of a newbie (just got the phone yesterday), so I have a few basic questions -- please bare with me.
1) Has anyone setup an SSH client on their HTC Kaiser/AT&T Tilt? If so what is a good client to get? Is PuTTYPocket good or one of the clients from the OpenSSH project? Is there a preferred one or one that's known to work better?
2) Second item is.. where do most people choose to install all of there files and applications? For example, right now I have a 1 GB MicroSD card in the phone. Are there certain things I should try and save/install directly to the phone and others that should go on the MicroSD card? Should everything go on the MicroSD card?
3) Is a 1GB MicroSD card enough? Obviously if I want lots of little movies or mp3 files I will run into a limit -- but that aside.. say if I choose to put on the SSH client, some other apps, TomTom 6.0 etc. Do I need more?
Thanks for any assistance.
-Steven
I'm interested in these questions as well. This is my first Windows Mobile device and it is unclear if some applications "need" to be on the device storage as it is on PalmOS. Are there pros/cons to device storage vs. memory card? Maybe there is an "idiot's guide to storage on WM" out there...
As for SSH, I've downloaded several and tested them a bit, but have not made a decision yet. Thus far, I've tried pocketputty, zaTelnet Pro, MobileVT, and mToken, with pocketputty being the worst, mToken the best, and the others about the same. I'm not as happy with any of them as the application pssh I was using on Palm, however.
usually programs that kind of directly deal with the phone and are accessed alot. go on the phone.
tomtom which has large files for maps stick on the memory card.
cant help you with the other ques.
I use and like PocketTTY, but there is also a java script that works nice. I'll attach and believe it's freeware, if not, a mod can delete.
As far as where to put programs, that is of course, subjective. For me it depends on how much memory the device has, how big a card you have and how much space is needed for the programs you wish. Also, what all do you wish to have with you? Music, video, games, etc....that has to be taken into consideration. Being this is the Kaiser/Tilt section, we have 128mb for storage with a little more than 100mb for personal programs, and capacity for up to 8gb on the card. On my 8525 I had everything on a 2gb card and left as much room on the PDA as I could. This time I think I'll put all the programs on the PDA and use the card for everything else. We'll see how it goes.
Hey. I'm using the Touch-IT wing 2.3 ROM. I love it, but it doesn't leave much free space on the system hard drive. Is there a way to move some of the extra programs that come with the ROM to be moved to my 2GB MicroSD card? Or tweak the ROM so it installs these applications on the storage card?
Thanks.
The best way is: at first install, when you see your Today Screen, it will install all the programs after 3 seconds, do a softreset before it begins to install them and then install your programs yhourself and then you have the option to choose where you can install them, main memory, storage card...
The preinstall apps are stored in the OS ROM so they cannot be moved or deleted short of making your own ROM. Heralds lack the ability to BigStorage. This means that no matter how much you take out, your storage space will always be the same size. (Or at least that what I've been lead to believe...)
But yea, like he said, stop the ExtROM launch.
With Wizcode PocketMechanic, you can move installations... so this may something close to what you may be trying to do.
I moved all the Tmobile crap and everything else over to storage card and I haven't had any problems yet.
I have just done a ROM upgrade to WM6.1 and plan to reinstall the various apps I hade on the TyTn II (which is only a week or so old). I have searched on Google and looked in the Wiki, FAQs and searched the forums with all manner of search terms but cannot find an answer to what may be a dumb question.
When installing apps is it better to install on device or storage (where the option is offered)? I would have though Storage better to keep memory on device free but wonder if certain progammes and any files they create when being used are better or essential to run on the device because of either pathname issues or speed of access?? Any help appreciated.
I plan to re-install:
Phat Notes
List Pro
SPB Wallet
Co-Pilot
Sprite Back Up
You understand the issues already. I don't use any of those programs so cant comment on them specifically but I install the few bit's of software I do use on my device and only Tomtoms maps, my music and my user created things like docs and photos go on my storage card - thats simply because there isn't enough internal memory to hold all of that and I don't want to run the risk of programs not being available if I take my card out (although that doesn't often happen). I've found that installing Tomtoms voices to internal memory sometimes helps prevent missing words and problems with voice navigation otherwise you could just test out things each way and see which you prefer.
People here have reported they can load many programs at once and the TyTN IIs memory management capabilities keep on top of the situation to prevent running out of internal memory. Unless someone else here has experience installing all those programs both ways, I suspect you'll need to try it and see which you prefer.
Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.
IMO, its better to load programs on your memory card so that you don't clutter up your phone memory and consequently slow it down (to be honest, i have never faced this on my TYTN 2, but i guess its a habbit from my Atom days...) I only load today plugins (like Ultimate Launch, RL Today etc..) on the phone 'cause these programs don't work if you load them on the card.
I use Destinator for GPS and this program installs itself on the phone by default, so I copy the destinator folder to the card and overwrite the shortcut for the .exe file in the windows>programs folder to make it work from the card...
So here's my pick
List Pro - Memory Card
SPB Wallet - Memory Card
Co-Pilot - Memory Card
Sprite Back Up - Memory Card
I like my phone clean...
Thanks. After more pondering I think installing all on the device may be better. I can get a full back of them all then using sprite and, as you say, if I take out the SD, or if it dies, I will have no access to data. The programmes are only small and even their files (which i suppose I could create on the storage) are small. I think that create on device, store on device and back up to storage may be better. I will be unlikely to install much else other than Mobile Shell and Phone suite by SPB.
That said I MIGHT go the Card route. No perfect answer I suppose. I'll try the ROM upgrade then a card install first perhaps. If I don't like I can always re-install on the phone. I suppose it's easy enough to back up the card contents and the back up/synch options with the programmes should allow back ups on the main PC (or even My Docs on the phone).
pdaPhone_TM said:
Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.
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I second that.
Before the Kaiser I used to put the few programs that were really system-related and/or that I'd still need if the card was out (utilities, explorers, startup items, programs that had today plugins) on the device, and all the rest and big apps on the memory card.
But the Hermes had 40MB free when fresh and empty after a hard reset. Now my Kaiser has about 120MB free when empty, so I just put everything in the internal memory, including MioMap with my country's map, and GPS tuner with maybe 10MB of JPG maps. The only exceptions are 2 very large apps (60MB together) that I anyway barely ever use but just have "in case", those are on the card.
And even after that I still have 35MB free on the device
It use to be a challenge choosing which ones go on main memory or SD card. Some were a no brainer, like Memmaid or Resco Explorer. The very nature of their operation dictated they are on main memory. As another stated, if it was a start up program it had to be on main memory. Sometimes it was a trial and error to find out.
With the Kaiser and its massive memory increase, now my rule is, everything goes to main memory and only games go to the SD card. I still have over 40mb left, and that’s more than my last phone had to start with!
Having pondered even more!!!! Think I may go the device route for the small apps AND keep their files on the device (using the SD card for back ups along with the PC). I may do a split install for the Co Pilot sat nav. Seems more sensible to have the APP installed on the device but have its maps installed on an SD. Figure the maps will eat up a horde of memory on the device. I'll likely also use the SD for photos and music.
Having done it all the other way round I'm now ever pondering:
Clear Storage (hard reset)
Re-flash ROM for clean system
Hard Reset again (which seems to be good practice)
Install all in the right places!!!
All this MAY be a bit drastic and I wonder (seeing as everything is currently working!!) whether simply an uninstall/re-install of the apps might be good enough or even a hard reset followed by re-install.
Hard reset already clears your system, no need to reflash. Do a hard reset and reinstall your stuff, that's it.
Thanks. I ay do just that. Only thing I didn't do (I think) is hard reset after I installed the ROM so I'm wondering whether to bite the bullet and completely do the whole lot again in case in not hard re-setting after flashing I've stored up some future problems.
Also, on the sat nav front, any thoughts on this? I was wondering whether to put both the programme (Co Pilot) and the maps on storage or put the programme on the TyTn and just maps on storage??
i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.
goodpill said:
i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.
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I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?
GWelker62 said:
I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?
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i like to keep maximum memory free. usually only run a program or two at a time but i have some rather large data files in email etc.
just a personal preference from many years of pda's
Always get the message "Storage memory is critically low." when starting my BA. In Settings storage is shown 1.41MB total, 1.41 used, 0.00MB free. Program 109,12 total, 16.86MB used and 92.26 free.
I have changed WM2003SE to WM6 professional making upgrade. The programs message, active Sync and sound & notification etc don't work
please don't double post, as this is against the forum rules, you posted the same question in several threads now, and whenever people answer, you don't react, like, whether it worked or at least you tried.
but since you asked me personally here, the only guess i have is, that you had a very bad flash before, and maybe some partitioning got wrong. i mean, where could the memory have gone? either the storage chip is really broken (bad for you, nothing you could do, but replace it) or you did something wrong.
let's hope for the 2nd option and try and determine, whether that fits.
so first go to -=xplode's shipped rom archive=- and download a nice wm2003 rom, i would advise a WWE rom, preferably in english, it'll save you some trouble later on (let's say, for example T-Mobile UK). then you flash that, following the -=wiki=- when it comes to downgrading.
make sure you use maupgradeut_noid and put the device into bootloader mode prior to the process. then, when you have wm2003, you download the tools, needed to repartion the extrom. i will attach them for you, put them on the device, install the cab (to main memory, not sd card) and run the normal extrom deleting process, to be seen in step 1 of the upgrade wizzard, -=here=-. after unhiding and unlocking your extroms and evetual soft resets in between, you have the option to access your extrom and delete all the stuff inside, or you make it easier on yourself and just start "repart_doc" (again, from the device, not sd card) and make the extrom partition become 128kb and say format now!
so, why are we doing this, you might ask.
i suppose, that you memory got relocated and is now a gigantic extrom, because the extrom and the storage space are partitions on the same chip, and if one is too small, the other one must be too big, so setting the unneeded one to its minimum size would make the actually needed storage partition normally 60.30mb in size.
you can simply have a look at start->settings->memory to see the different partitions' sizes then, and if the storage is up to 60mb, you can simply flash again the rom that you like best following the wizard, make a hard reset and continue to use your device.
that is about the only thing i can come up with. and please respect, that i sat here and thought about it and wrote a lot down, and made research you could have done on your own in the first place. so please stop opening new threads concerning one issue. opening new threads should be limited to contributions to the community. there is a Q&A section, and posting a question once is enough, because it will not stay unread and unanswered. please respect my work and the one done by other senior members, by trying out our suggestions and then post back (in the same thread!) whether it worked or not, and however you made progress on your own, so that these threads stay as reading material for other people with the same or similar problems. spamming is not a solution! no offense though, if i were really pissed off, i would surely not have answered in the first place.
thank U thank U........