Hi Guys,
I am a bit of a newbie (just got the phone yesterday), so I have a few basic questions -- please bare with me.
1) Has anyone setup an SSH client on their HTC Kaiser/AT&T Tilt? If so what is a good client to get? Is PuTTYPocket good or one of the clients from the OpenSSH project? Is there a preferred one or one that's known to work better?
2) Second item is.. where do most people choose to install all of there files and applications? For example, right now I have a 1 GB MicroSD card in the phone. Are there certain things I should try and save/install directly to the phone and others that should go on the MicroSD card? Should everything go on the MicroSD card?
3) Is a 1GB MicroSD card enough? Obviously if I want lots of little movies or mp3 files I will run into a limit -- but that aside.. say if I choose to put on the SSH client, some other apps, TomTom 6.0 etc. Do I need more?
Thanks for any assistance.
-Steven
I'm interested in these questions as well. This is my first Windows Mobile device and it is unclear if some applications "need" to be on the device storage as it is on PalmOS. Are there pros/cons to device storage vs. memory card? Maybe there is an "idiot's guide to storage on WM" out there...
As for SSH, I've downloaded several and tested them a bit, but have not made a decision yet. Thus far, I've tried pocketputty, zaTelnet Pro, MobileVT, and mToken, with pocketputty being the worst, mToken the best, and the others about the same. I'm not as happy with any of them as the application pssh I was using on Palm, however.
usually programs that kind of directly deal with the phone and are accessed alot. go on the phone.
tomtom which has large files for maps stick on the memory card.
cant help you with the other ques.
I use and like PocketTTY, but there is also a java script that works nice. I'll attach and believe it's freeware, if not, a mod can delete.
As far as where to put programs, that is of course, subjective. For me it depends on how much memory the device has, how big a card you have and how much space is needed for the programs you wish. Also, what all do you wish to have with you? Music, video, games, etc....that has to be taken into consideration. Being this is the Kaiser/Tilt section, we have 128mb for storage with a little more than 100mb for personal programs, and capacity for up to 8gb on the card. On my 8525 I had everything on a 2gb card and left as much room on the PDA as I could. This time I think I'll put all the programs on the PDA and use the card for everything else. We'll see how it goes.
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I've been running the clean version of Crossbow for some time now. Other than a few minor hiccups (and I mean minor) it is as slick and good looking as hoped.
Now for the fun... I know that the extended ROM does NOT run on Crossbow, though I'm not sure why. I would like to know. The loving wife extended rom unlocker DOES work, but it also causes the creation of a second storage card folder when the TIF and inbox attachments are stored on the storage card, and it renames the actual storage card "storage card 2".
I'm not really sure of the behavior of the extended ROM because I've never paid much attention to it. The questions are as follows:
1) Does the extended ROM write to the OS side of the ROM without affecting the memory available for additional programs?
2) Are the programs able to be removed though the CP applet?
3) Is it possible to write my own extended ROM and flash it to my device without weird or disastrous consequences? (I can always make an ext. ROM with my favorite programs and not use a whole lot of room on my Mini SD card.) I would simply keep a copy of the unlocker on both MiniSD cards.
I know some of these questions may have been asked before, but some have not. I would really like to clean off my MiniSD's to carry a few more songs and tidy things up a bit. Help from the gurus or those already running WM6 is what I'm after. Thanks in advance.
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hello,
first: very good page, with a lot of infos and bombastic apps.
but i'm a newbie, i read a lot, but couldn't find a post recommend to my question. also my english isnt very good
my problem: i bought my herald without a memory card. so i installed the apps i found&liked (touchflo,flashlite,kaiserhomeplugin,htc cube clone;total commander;google maps,scitebackup) in the ram of my ppc.
but today i bought a micro sd card. now i would like to move my apps to the card.
questions: can i cut&paste the apps in the folder "programms" to a folder in my card, with the total commender. or isnt this allowed because of the registry or something like that? maybe problem with the .ink files?!
is it better to uninstall all programms. and install them new,this time directly to the sdcard?
thanks for your helps
greetings...
you can try copy paste
just like on pc's some will run others will not
though mind you things like today items and other always
running programs should not be put on the sd card
as they are much slower then storage
thank u
My SD card runs them as fast as the main memory, but I wouldn't install things that are running all the time in it. So, don't install things like the cube on the card. You should uninstall and reinstall the programs into the proper memory storage. It's easier and less problematic that way.
You can move installed programs between MAIN or SD memory using POCKET MECHANIC (http://www.wizcode.com/)
I moved all the tmobile crap (hotspot login, tzones wap, etc..) and anything else I don't want to get rid of, but I never use onto my SD card.
How will we have to wait for a 10 or 12 gb Micro SD Card
Just a random question,
This community is allways knowledgable so any insight would be great!
I got TOMTOM for my kaiser today and I was attempting to install it
to my SD card (8gig..6 of which free) but during the installation
process i didnt even get the option to change the installation location.
it just auto-installed to my internal mem. not so bad but after i start
adding voices and maps its going to not be enough space. So my question
is ...is there a way to reroute programs to the SD post installation...forcably
install to an SD..or link parts to a program, like maps for a GPS, from an SD.
thanks for any insight kaiser fans!
you can install tomtom on your device and place the voices and the maps of the sd card
I installed the voices on the SD...it wasnt able to find them until they were added to the specific "voices" folder. is there a way to make tomtom look elsewhere for the files? or a way to shortcut into the original directory? preferably id love to find away to override it and force the entire program to install onto my SD...I havent the slightest on how to do that though.
GinjiVitis said:
Just a random question,
This community is allways knowledgable so any insight would be great!
I got TOMTOM for my kaiser today and I was attempting to install it
to my SD card (8gig..6 of which free) but during the installation
process i didnt even get the option to change the installation location.
it just auto-installed to my internal mem. not so bad but after i start
adding voices and maps its going to not be enough space. So my question
is ...is there a way to reroute programs to the SD post installation...forcably
install to an SD..or link parts to a program, like maps for a GPS, from an SD.
thanks for any insight kaiser fans!
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Is this normal for TomTom??
Installation locations are chosen/set by the SW author at the time of cab creation. There may be a way of re-directing this but it would probably cause a heap of problems.
Installation of the main apps to internal memory is usually done to give the maximum speed efficiency of regularly called files, SD card access is much slower than main memory.
Bit of a trade off...
Couldn't say if it was normal for tomtom,
its my first time installing it/using it. But what you said about memory in general makes ALOT of sense. Thanks!
I'll keep poking around tomtom forums specifically for a way to link the features to the SD..maps, voices, POIs etc. thanks for the advice.
did you place the voice files in the root of the sd card??
create a folder called "voices" in the root of the sd card and then place the voice files in there
as for the maps, put the folder of the maps in the root of the sd card
That worked like a charm!
Thanks for the help. I didnt have them in the root directory i was just trying to find a way to link my custom dir.
Thanks for your help
GinjiVitis said:
Couldn't say if it was normal for tomtom,
its my first time installing it/using it. But what you said about memory in general makes ALOT of sense. Thanks!
I'll keep poking around tomtom forums specifically for a way to link the features to the SD..maps, voices, POIs etc. thanks for the advice.
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Checkout www.tomtomforums.com and you can get tons of POI's, map themes, and some voice files too.
I have just done a ROM upgrade to WM6.1 and plan to reinstall the various apps I hade on the TyTn II (which is only a week or so old). I have searched on Google and looked in the Wiki, FAQs and searched the forums with all manner of search terms but cannot find an answer to what may be a dumb question.
When installing apps is it better to install on device or storage (where the option is offered)? I would have though Storage better to keep memory on device free but wonder if certain progammes and any files they create when being used are better or essential to run on the device because of either pathname issues or speed of access?? Any help appreciated.
I plan to re-install:
Phat Notes
List Pro
SPB Wallet
Co-Pilot
Sprite Back Up
You understand the issues already. I don't use any of those programs so cant comment on them specifically but I install the few bit's of software I do use on my device and only Tomtoms maps, my music and my user created things like docs and photos go on my storage card - thats simply because there isn't enough internal memory to hold all of that and I don't want to run the risk of programs not being available if I take my card out (although that doesn't often happen). I've found that installing Tomtoms voices to internal memory sometimes helps prevent missing words and problems with voice navigation otherwise you could just test out things each way and see which you prefer.
People here have reported they can load many programs at once and the TyTN IIs memory management capabilities keep on top of the situation to prevent running out of internal memory. Unless someone else here has experience installing all those programs both ways, I suspect you'll need to try it and see which you prefer.
Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.
IMO, its better to load programs on your memory card so that you don't clutter up your phone memory and consequently slow it down (to be honest, i have never faced this on my TYTN 2, but i guess its a habbit from my Atom days...) I only load today plugins (like Ultimate Launch, RL Today etc..) on the phone 'cause these programs don't work if you load them on the card.
I use Destinator for GPS and this program installs itself on the phone by default, so I copy the destinator folder to the card and overwrite the shortcut for the .exe file in the windows>programs folder to make it work from the card...
So here's my pick
List Pro - Memory Card
SPB Wallet - Memory Card
Co-Pilot - Memory Card
Sprite Back Up - Memory Card
I like my phone clean...
Thanks. After more pondering I think installing all on the device may be better. I can get a full back of them all then using sprite and, as you say, if I take out the SD, or if it dies, I will have no access to data. The programmes are only small and even their files (which i suppose I could create on the storage) are small. I think that create on device, store on device and back up to storage may be better. I will be unlikely to install much else other than Mobile Shell and Phone suite by SPB.
That said I MIGHT go the Card route. No perfect answer I suppose. I'll try the ROM upgrade then a card install first perhaps. If I don't like I can always re-install on the phone. I suppose it's easy enough to back up the card contents and the back up/synch options with the programmes should allow back ups on the main PC (or even My Docs on the phone).
pdaPhone_TM said:
Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.
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I second that.
Before the Kaiser I used to put the few programs that were really system-related and/or that I'd still need if the card was out (utilities, explorers, startup items, programs that had today plugins) on the device, and all the rest and big apps on the memory card.
But the Hermes had 40MB free when fresh and empty after a hard reset. Now my Kaiser has about 120MB free when empty, so I just put everything in the internal memory, including MioMap with my country's map, and GPS tuner with maybe 10MB of JPG maps. The only exceptions are 2 very large apps (60MB together) that I anyway barely ever use but just have "in case", those are on the card.
And even after that I still have 35MB free on the device
It use to be a challenge choosing which ones go on main memory or SD card. Some were a no brainer, like Memmaid or Resco Explorer. The very nature of their operation dictated they are on main memory. As another stated, if it was a start up program it had to be on main memory. Sometimes it was a trial and error to find out.
With the Kaiser and its massive memory increase, now my rule is, everything goes to main memory and only games go to the SD card. I still have over 40mb left, and that’s more than my last phone had to start with!
Having pondered even more!!!! Think I may go the device route for the small apps AND keep their files on the device (using the SD card for back ups along with the PC). I may do a split install for the Co Pilot sat nav. Seems more sensible to have the APP installed on the device but have its maps installed on an SD. Figure the maps will eat up a horde of memory on the device. I'll likely also use the SD for photos and music.
Having done it all the other way round I'm now ever pondering:
Clear Storage (hard reset)
Re-flash ROM for clean system
Hard Reset again (which seems to be good practice)
Install all in the right places!!!
All this MAY be a bit drastic and I wonder (seeing as everything is currently working!!) whether simply an uninstall/re-install of the apps might be good enough or even a hard reset followed by re-install.
Hard reset already clears your system, no need to reflash. Do a hard reset and reinstall your stuff, that's it.
Thanks. I ay do just that. Only thing I didn't do (I think) is hard reset after I installed the ROM so I'm wondering whether to bite the bullet and completely do the whole lot again in case in not hard re-setting after flashing I've stored up some future problems.
Also, on the sat nav front, any thoughts on this? I was wondering whether to put both the programme (Co Pilot) and the maps on storage or put the programme on the TyTn and just maps on storage??
i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.
goodpill said:
i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.
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I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?
GWelker62 said:
I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?
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i like to keep maximum memory free. usually only run a program or two at a time but i have some rather large data files in email etc.
just a personal preference from many years of pda's
I save all my programs and install them on the internal drive. I am still getting a low memory warning. Are there any specific places I need to look , i.e Windows folder, etc.., where I can remove useless files? I'm afraid to delete some important things.
I have an Alltel Touch Diamond. Thanks in advance.
Low memory warning is not about the storage where you save your stuff & apps. Its the RAM of the diamond. To solve the issue you'll probably have to install another ROM with lower mem usage or close TF3D before running your heavy apps.
HI THERE
the program pocket mechanic solve me a lot of that issue .
after installing the prog. i removed some what of files to the intenal storage .
it did work for me just great /
windows folder/directory
open windows directory. goto Opera folder. goto images folder. any files that aren't jpg or png (meaning files that will have an opera logo in front of them) are deletable. If you use opera a lot and have never done this, there may be many. Also Windows/Messaging. this stores info from all emails, even when you delete, info is left here- delete all old stuff. If you feel iffy about trying any of this, create a folder in your internal storage to cut these files into, and if you have any trouble or do something wrong, you can cut/copy them right bsck (but these sre things i do to keep memory clear). Also, ClearTemp is an AWESOME HELPFUL program (and free). I think v1.21 is the latest, but after 3rd day of using it, it had recovered about 10mb of storage memory. (set it up properly, din't just hit 'clean'). good luck.
Lastly, some early diamonds (roms) had a known issue with unrecoverable storage memory, so last case scenario, update to newest official rom.
nickschot said:
Low memory warning is not about the storage where you save your stuff & apps. Its the RAM of the diamond. To solve the issue you'll probably have to install another ROM with lower mem usage or close TF3D before running your heavy apps.
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au contraire. memory on diamond is partitioned 3ways (storage memory, program memory, internal storage)
when you get a 'main memory low' msg, it's usually because your storage memory (not RAM), and not program memory, has dropped to <1mb. not your operating memory or program memory.
UgXvibe said:
I save all my programs and install them on the internal drive. I am still getting a low memory warning. Are there any specific places I need to look , i.e Windows folder, etc.., where I can remove useless files? I'm afraid to delete some important things.
I have an Alltel Touch Diamond. Thanks in advance.
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I dealt with this on my first diamond. Had to return it - it is an issue on early diamonds, known by htc (storage not erasing things it should, regardless of user settings). A search will turn up a handful of other threds on this topic.
Thanks for all the replies.. here are screens of what I'm talking about.
As you can see I have a ton of storage on the Internal but 1Mb left on Device... If you still agree that I should follow the advice above I will do that. Just wanted to clarify what I was talking about.
thank you scottspa74
I have exactly the same problem with storage memory and what scottspa74 proposed just gave me the solution to my problem .
Thank you very much
Well, I also found that if you have taken a lot of pictures and video with the phone it takes up a ton of device storage. Try deleting big video files or transferring them somewhere else.