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Help me, oh mighty gurus! Can't install apps on (100% working) SD card? **SOLVED**

Hi, guys,
Here's one from Kaiser newbie (sorry if there's an answer to this somewhere, tried, but couldn't find it):
Have a (un)brand(ed) new Kaiser and this 2GB Micro SD Card. The thing is, no matter what I do, I can't force that bundled TT6 Navigator (or any other version, for that matter!) to install on my SD!!!
Before you ask, I need it because I am frequently commuting throughout Balkans, and (as if that alone wasn't enough ) the ONLY map TomTom released covering that area so far was v6.08 East Europe BETA which has around 170MB. There's a lot of local forums stating that it is quite operational, but needs a bit of tweaking to get it there, which includes puting both TT6 app and the Eastern_Europe-Map folder to the root of SD.
Piece-a-cake, I thought, but then I hit the wall... I do get to a point of being asked for an install location, but even if I select my SD card ("Storage card"), I end up with TT6 installed in default Program Files folder! Tried with ActiveSync, manual install, CabInst and some other reg-tweakers (promising to solve things but failing miserably), etc., to no avail.
Not just that app, to be specific, some other behave likewise, but then, there are also those that play along, so...
What gives?!?

Try making a "My Documents" folder in the Root of the SD card, then install there or if you already have the maps there, just copy the map folder into My Documents on your SD card.

Are you sure the actual app is installed in the devices main memory. When you install to the SD it still has to install some files on the device - such as the shortcut to the actualy program.

MakaveliReturns
Try making a "My Documents" folder in the Root of the SD card, then install there or if you already have the maps there, just copy the map folder into My Documents on your SD card.
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Well, tried that one up, as well as making SD card "Program Files", but doesn't work that way. I'm sure it's because after I move the "Navigator" folder from MyDevice Program Files to SD card, there's a plenty of registry keys still pointing out to the default location... The problem is I can't make ActiveSync to actually install the damn thing anywhere on SD card.
unwired4
Are you sure the actual app is installed in the devices main memory. When you install to the SD it still has to install some files on the device - such as the shortcut to the actualy program.
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Yes, because I located several folders on MyDevice with TomTom related files, and NONE on my SD card...
Thanks anyway, guys, any help is appreciated.

Quick update:
I did the hard reset. I'll try out "fresh" install, maybe something got messed up in my registry, then I'm back with results - usefull if someone else out there have the same problem (and I've found quite a few of those unfortunate souls ).

kappa011 said:
I'm sure it's because after I move the "Navigator" folder from MyDevice Program Files to SD card, there's a plenty of registry keys still pointing out to the default location.
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Yeah, this isn't going to work. The installation needs to go to the SD card in the first place.
Uninstall whatever it is you want on the card.
When you do the installation, make sure the card is in the phone. Connect your phone to your PC and don't immediately launch the installation. In WMDC or Active Sync, go to "Add/Remove Programs." There's a check box on the screen that will open that says "Install applications to default location" or something along those lines. If you can uncheck it, do so (it's not available sometimes).
When you actually do the install, check the mobile phone - it should be prompting you for where you want to install the app. Select the radio button for the Storage card, and you should be good to go.

Ok, now this is ridiculous!
After a hard reset, tried to install TTN 6, and, when asked for an install location, selected "Storage card"... Nevertheless, the damn thing installed to the Mobile device instead (again, so I give up trying to put it on SD for good!), but, to my surprise, I have managed to start it up and it even recognized my map ("Eastern_Europe-Map" folder on SD card)! Boy, was I happy as a pig in the s... Simpsons Movie ! Quited and started the app several times to ensure it's lock and loaded for good - yep, it was working all right...
But, guess what? After a later soft reset, TomTom hit me back with "No map found" again, seems like it has lost the "show-me-the-map-location-key-thingy" from the registry!!!
So, who da f#$% do I have to kill for this?

Try installing it from the sd card - ie put the cab files on the sd card and load it from there.

Thanx, tried that one already (described in my previous post), it got me closest to the goal, ie. that's how I got TT6 recognizing my map from SD card and working as a peach 'til next soft reset...
What could change in execution of an app after just reseting a device? The only thing coming to my mind is some Windows-style-run-once-regkey that screws things up, which makes no sense since the app should be legit, coming bundled with the Kaiser an all that...
Any idea?

I would guess it more to some registry settings remaining from the flawed installations.
Is there a setting in TT that tells it where to find the maps?

I don't know how, but, hey - it's working now!
Right.
First of all - it's working. I don't know the apparent reason, but what i did was:
1) A hard reset.
2) None of that Spring Backup restore stuff. Although I used to restore just emails and personal database, left it out completely this time around.
3) Installed manually all of the usual tweaks, apps and stuff first, then put the TT6 cab down to my SD card again.
4) Synchronized my emails, contacts and the likes using ActiveSync.
4) Installed TT6 from SD card again, but before starting it for a first time, made a full Spring backup - the idea was, if the thing tends to work just for the first time it's started, I could easily restore it should it start loosing it again after a soft reset.
And that was it. Then started TT6, played around with it for a couple of minutes, and did a soft reset.... TA-DAAAAAH, it's up and running again and again, so no problem with it anymore.
Is it just me, or this makes no sense whatsoever, but, hey, it's working so why bother with it any longer.
Thanks a lot for your help, see you again in next week's episode of "I don't know how, but, hey - it's working now!"
Cheers.

Software installation - Device or Storage?

I have just done a ROM upgrade to WM6.1 and plan to reinstall the various apps I hade on the TyTn II (which is only a week or so old). I have searched on Google and looked in the Wiki, FAQs and searched the forums with all manner of search terms but cannot find an answer to what may be a dumb question.
When installing apps is it better to install on device or storage (where the option is offered)? I would have though Storage better to keep memory on device free but wonder if certain progammes and any files they create when being used are better or essential to run on the device because of either pathname issues or speed of access?? Any help appreciated.
I plan to re-install:
Phat Notes
List Pro
SPB Wallet
Co-Pilot
Sprite Back Up

You understand the issues already. I don't use any of those programs so cant comment on them specifically but I install the few bit's of software I do use on my device and only Tomtoms maps, my music and my user created things like docs and photos go on my storage card - thats simply because there isn't enough internal memory to hold all of that and I don't want to run the risk of programs not being available if I take my card out (although that doesn't often happen). I've found that installing Tomtoms voices to internal memory sometimes helps prevent missing words and problems with voice navigation otherwise you could just test out things each way and see which you prefer.
People here have reported they can load many programs at once and the TyTN IIs memory management capabilities keep on top of the situation to prevent running out of internal memory. Unless someone else here has experience installing all those programs both ways, I suspect you'll need to try it and see which you prefer.

Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.

IMO, its better to load programs on your memory card so that you don't clutter up your phone memory and consequently slow it down (to be honest, i have never faced this on my TYTN 2, but i guess its a habbit from my Atom days...) I only load today plugins (like Ultimate Launch, RL Today etc..) on the phone 'cause these programs don't work if you load them on the card.
I use Destinator for GPS and this program installs itself on the phone by default, so I copy the destinator folder to the card and overwrite the shortcut for the .exe file in the windows>programs folder to make it work from the card...
So here's my pick
List Pro - Memory Card
SPB Wallet - Memory Card
Co-Pilot - Memory Card
Sprite Back Up - Memory Card
I like my phone clean...

Thanks. After more pondering I think installing all on the device may be better. I can get a full back of them all then using sprite and, as you say, if I take out the SD, or if it dies, I will have no access to data. The programmes are only small and even their files (which i suppose I could create on the storage) are small. I think that create on device, store on device and back up to storage may be better. I will be unlikely to install much else other than Mobile Shell and Phone suite by SPB.
That said I MIGHT go the Card route. No perfect answer I suppose. I'll try the ROM upgrade then a card install first perhaps. If I don't like I can always re-install on the phone. I suppose it's easy enough to back up the card contents and the back up/synch options with the programmes should allow back ups on the main PC (or even My Docs on the phone).

pdaPhone_TM said:
Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.
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I second that.

Before the Kaiser I used to put the few programs that were really system-related and/or that I'd still need if the card was out (utilities, explorers, startup items, programs that had today plugins) on the device, and all the rest and big apps on the memory card.
But the Hermes had 40MB free when fresh and empty after a hard reset. Now my Kaiser has about 120MB free when empty, so I just put everything in the internal memory, including MioMap with my country's map, and GPS tuner with maybe 10MB of JPG maps. The only exceptions are 2 very large apps (60MB together) that I anyway barely ever use but just have "in case", those are on the card.
And even after that I still have 35MB free on the device

It use to be a challenge choosing which ones go on main memory or SD card. Some were a no brainer, like Memmaid or Resco Explorer. The very nature of their operation dictated they are on main memory. As another stated, if it was a start up program it had to be on main memory. Sometimes it was a trial and error to find out.
With the Kaiser and its massive memory increase, now my rule is, everything goes to main memory and only games go to the SD card. I still have over 40mb left, and that’s more than my last phone had to start with!

Having pondered even more!!!! Think I may go the device route for the small apps AND keep their files on the device (using the SD card for back ups along with the PC). I may do a split install for the Co Pilot sat nav. Seems more sensible to have the APP installed on the device but have its maps installed on an SD. Figure the maps will eat up a horde of memory on the device. I'll likely also use the SD for photos and music.
Having done it all the other way round I'm now ever pondering:
Clear Storage (hard reset)
Re-flash ROM for clean system
Hard Reset again (which seems to be good practice)
Install all in the right places!!!
All this MAY be a bit drastic and I wonder (seeing as everything is currently working!!) whether simply an uninstall/re-install of the apps might be good enough or even a hard reset followed by re-install.

Hard reset already clears your system, no need to reflash. Do a hard reset and reinstall your stuff, that's it.

Thanks. I ay do just that. Only thing I didn't do (I think) is hard reset after I installed the ROM so I'm wondering whether to bite the bullet and completely do the whole lot again in case in not hard re-setting after flashing I've stored up some future problems.
Also, on the sat nav front, any thoughts on this? I was wondering whether to put both the programme (Co Pilot) and the maps on storage or put the programme on the TyTn and just maps on storage??

i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.

goodpill said:
i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.
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I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?

GWelker62 said:
I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?
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i like to keep maximum memory free. usually only run a program or two at a time but i have some rather large data files in email etc.
just a personal preference from many years of pda's

Tom Tom install

Something that has annoyed me with the new TOM TOM after an update from TOM TOM Home it installed it on my main memory instead of storage card so therefore it now takes up so much room that I can't install any more programs. Any way of modding the installation cab to install on my storage card instead ????
Have searched and also tried using pocket mechanic to move whole program to storage cars but then the gps refused to lock on.

buffystar said:
Something that has annoyed me with the new TOM TOM after an update from TOM TOM Home it installed it on my main memory instead of storage card so therefore it now takes up so much room that I can't install any more programs. Any way of modding the installation cab to install on my storage card instead ????
Have searched and also tried using pocket mechanic to move whole program to storage cars but then the gps refused to lock on.
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Which TomTom version do you have?

buffystar said:
Something that has annoyed me with the new TOM TOM after an update from TOM TOM Home it installed it on my main memory instead of storage card so therefore it now takes up so much room that I can't install any more programs. Any way of modding the installation cab to install on my storage card instead ????
Have searched and also tried using pocket mechanic to move whole program to storage cars but then the gps refused to lock on.
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..when installing tt on internal storage map share will not work any more!

Move all files except tthome.bif (created when connecing to tthome) to the internal memory, create a Program (or Program files folder head memory. (I don't have an english version and am not sure of which name.)
Keep a copy of CurrentMap.dat and UserPatch.dat in the original folder.
Home works, everything else as before. Not sure if this is the nicest way, but it works.
P.S. You have to create a new shortcut to TomTomNavigator.exe in the programs folder, and delete the old one.

Thanks have sorted it by filling up my main memory with MP3's etc then trying to install the cab. It then says memory full do you want to install on storage and voila sorted.

buffystar said:
Thanks have sorted it by filling up my main memory with MP3's etc then trying to install the cab. It then says memory full do you want to install on storage and voila sorted.
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nice one, good trick

installed applications on storage card. Will they work after total phone reset?

Awhile back (4 months)I installed a weather program from here to add my town to the weather page on my touch pro. Ever since I did this it crashes touch flow. I have been searching for a fix ever since and nothing has fixed it.. I have searched the forums here and tried several solutions to no avail.
I am at the point that I guess I'm ready to reset the phone and start over. I have quite a few programs installed on a storage card and want to know if they will work after a total reset or do I need to find the app installs for all these programs while I can still see what I have installed on here?

the links to launch the apps will no longer be there. its always a good idea to save the "source" cabs in a directory on the storage card. if you need help, i have a massive collection of apps in cab format, just gimme a shout.

Indeed, programs often require registry edits, and occasionally require the registration of libraries, file types, and other issues that make SD card installation an unfriendly alternative.
Better to do as drdrewdown mentioned, and make yourself a repository. I put mine on 4shared (see my sig, lower right), just to make sure I have what I want/need from anywhere. Even SD cards break down, sometimes.

Help!!!!!!! Stupid Ba***ard Copilot, angers me :( (copilot v8)

hi
this may be a dumb question, but tbh i have been trying to get it working for a week.
i bought copilot live 8 which is compatable with my htc touch diamond but after installing the software i cant install the maps, i have 100mb free of space on my device and there is no option to install it on my internal memor (3.2gb free). i have the UK & Ireland mapps which amount to 186mb. copilot central 2.0 doesnt come with the option either when i attempt installing it from my computer.
also copilot have not answered anyone of my 5 emails, usless! TomTom arn't this rude.
thank you to everyone who attempts to cure my touch diamond/copilot problem
CHEEEEERS!

s13igh said:
hi
this may be a dumb question, but tbh i have been trying to get it working for a week.
i bought copilot live 8 which is compatable with my htc touch diamond but after installing the software i cant install the maps, i have 100mb free of space on my device and there is no option to install it on my internal memor (3.2gb free). i have the UK & Ireland mapps which amount to 186mb. copilot central 2.0 doesnt come with the option either when i attempt installing it from my computer.
also copilot have not answered anyone of my 5 emails, usless! TomTom arn't this rude.
thank you to everyone who attempts to cure my touch diamond/copilot problem
CHEEEEERS!
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put all files on to internal memory and should work fine.(copy + paste)mine does

First off, I'm definitely NOT one of the experts on XDA. I'm basically a newbie on a lot of this stuff. That said, I have CoPilot V8 on my Diamond and love it.
All I did was (a)download the software, (b)copy it ALL over to my Internal Storage (do not use Active Sync), (c)rename the 2577 file to 2577C so it doesn't autorun until I tell it to, (d)safely remove device from computer, (e)go to file explorer - find 2577C on Internal Storage - and hit Autorun.
I install everything to Internal Storage since I am low on "storage memory."
Don't know if that was what you're looking for or not.
El Mono
P.S. For this initial install you do not need to employ their PC program at all.

SOLUTION to my problem, maybe urs in the future!
i had to do somthing similar to that! thanks for helping giving me a a baseline on which to start!
A) download data
B) copy both 2577 and copilot to the internal memory
c) disconnect from the computer go to 2577 with the file explorer and hit auto run
D) run copilot go through the intial settings like, voice, imperial ect.....
E) once that is done and it says no maps installed restart the diamond device
F) plug the phone back into the computer with active sync and go to the internal memory. look for file "copilot" gps tracks, info, save and speech should be in there, delete them all!
G) go back to internal memory and find where YOU saved the "2577 and copilot" files copy everything in the "copilot file" (in my case maps for EU) EU, gpstracks, info and speech.
H) go back to the "copilot" file where you deleted everything and paste of the data which you just copied. 'wait a while'
I) once it is done run copilot and it should immdiatly start intigrating POI's
-------------------- DONE! -----------------------
this is why i like XDA Devlopers, everyone is there to help cheers guys!