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Help me, oh mighty gurus! Can't install apps on (100% working) SD card? **SOLVED**

Hi, guys,
Here's one from Kaiser newbie (sorry if there's an answer to this somewhere, tried, but couldn't find it):
Have a (un)brand(ed) new Kaiser and this 2GB Micro SD Card. The thing is, no matter what I do, I can't force that bundled TT6 Navigator (or any other version, for that matter!) to install on my SD!!!
Before you ask, I need it because I am frequently commuting throughout Balkans, and (as if that alone wasn't enough ) the ONLY map TomTom released covering that area so far was v6.08 East Europe BETA which has around 170MB. There's a lot of local forums stating that it is quite operational, but needs a bit of tweaking to get it there, which includes puting both TT6 app and the Eastern_Europe-Map folder to the root of SD.
Piece-a-cake, I thought, but then I hit the wall... I do get to a point of being asked for an install location, but even if I select my SD card ("Storage card"), I end up with TT6 installed in default Program Files folder! Tried with ActiveSync, manual install, CabInst and some other reg-tweakers (promising to solve things but failing miserably), etc., to no avail.
Not just that app, to be specific, some other behave likewise, but then, there are also those that play along, so...
What gives?!?

Try making a "My Documents" folder in the Root of the SD card, then install there or if you already have the maps there, just copy the map folder into My Documents on your SD card.

Are you sure the actual app is installed in the devices main memory. When you install to the SD it still has to install some files on the device - such as the shortcut to the actualy program.

MakaveliReturns
Try making a "My Documents" folder in the Root of the SD card, then install there or if you already have the maps there, just copy the map folder into My Documents on your SD card.
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Well, tried that one up, as well as making SD card "Program Files", but doesn't work that way. I'm sure it's because after I move the "Navigator" folder from MyDevice Program Files to SD card, there's a plenty of registry keys still pointing out to the default location... The problem is I can't make ActiveSync to actually install the damn thing anywhere on SD card.
unwired4
Are you sure the actual app is installed in the devices main memory. When you install to the SD it still has to install some files on the device - such as the shortcut to the actualy program.
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Yes, because I located several folders on MyDevice with TomTom related files, and NONE on my SD card...
Thanks anyway, guys, any help is appreciated.

Quick update:
I did the hard reset. I'll try out "fresh" install, maybe something got messed up in my registry, then I'm back with results - usefull if someone else out there have the same problem (and I've found quite a few of those unfortunate souls ).

kappa011 said:
I'm sure it's because after I move the "Navigator" folder from MyDevice Program Files to SD card, there's a plenty of registry keys still pointing out to the default location.
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Yeah, this isn't going to work. The installation needs to go to the SD card in the first place.
Uninstall whatever it is you want on the card.
When you do the installation, make sure the card is in the phone. Connect your phone to your PC and don't immediately launch the installation. In WMDC or Active Sync, go to "Add/Remove Programs." There's a check box on the screen that will open that says "Install applications to default location" or something along those lines. If you can uncheck it, do so (it's not available sometimes).
When you actually do the install, check the mobile phone - it should be prompting you for where you want to install the app. Select the radio button for the Storage card, and you should be good to go.

Ok, now this is ridiculous!
After a hard reset, tried to install TTN 6, and, when asked for an install location, selected "Storage card"... Nevertheless, the damn thing installed to the Mobile device instead (again, so I give up trying to put it on SD for good!), but, to my surprise, I have managed to start it up and it even recognized my map ("Eastern_Europe-Map" folder on SD card)! Boy, was I happy as a pig in the s... Simpsons Movie ! Quited and started the app several times to ensure it's lock and loaded for good - yep, it was working all right...
But, guess what? After a later soft reset, TomTom hit me back with "No map found" again, seems like it has lost the "show-me-the-map-location-key-thingy" from the registry!!!
So, who da f#$% do I have to kill for this?

Try installing it from the sd card - ie put the cab files on the sd card and load it from there.

Thanx, tried that one already (described in my previous post), it got me closest to the goal, ie. that's how I got TT6 recognizing my map from SD card and working as a peach 'til next soft reset...
What could change in execution of an app after just reseting a device? The only thing coming to my mind is some Windows-style-run-once-regkey that screws things up, which makes no sense since the app should be legit, coming bundled with the Kaiser an all that...
Any idea?

I would guess it more to some registry settings remaining from the flawed installations.
Is there a setting in TT that tells it where to find the maps?

I don't know how, but, hey - it's working now!
Right.
First of all - it's working. I don't know the apparent reason, but what i did was:
1) A hard reset.
2) None of that Spring Backup restore stuff. Although I used to restore just emails and personal database, left it out completely this time around.
3) Installed manually all of the usual tweaks, apps and stuff first, then put the TT6 cab down to my SD card again.
4) Synchronized my emails, contacts and the likes using ActiveSync.
4) Installed TT6 from SD card again, but before starting it for a first time, made a full Spring backup - the idea was, if the thing tends to work just for the first time it's started, I could easily restore it should it start loosing it again after a soft reset.
And that was it. Then started TT6, played around with it for a couple of minutes, and did a soft reset.... TA-DAAAAAH, it's up and running again and again, so no problem with it anymore.
Is it just me, or this makes no sense whatsoever, but, hey, it's working so why bother with it any longer.
Thanks a lot for your help, see you again in next week's episode of "I don't know how, but, hey - it's working now!"
Cheers.

Can't install programs to SD

Just a random question,
This community is allways knowledgable so any insight would be great!
I got TOMTOM for my kaiser today and I was attempting to install it
to my SD card (8gig..6 of which free) but during the installation
process i didnt even get the option to change the installation location.
it just auto-installed to my internal mem. not so bad but after i start
adding voices and maps its going to not be enough space. So my question
is ...is there a way to reroute programs to the SD post installation...forcably
install to an SD..or link parts to a program, like maps for a GPS, from an SD.
thanks for any insight kaiser fans!

you can install tomtom on your device and place the voices and the maps of the sd card

I installed the voices on the SD...it wasnt able to find them until they were added to the specific "voices" folder. is there a way to make tomtom look elsewhere for the files? or a way to shortcut into the original directory? preferably id love to find away to override it and force the entire program to install onto my SD...I havent the slightest on how to do that though.

GinjiVitis said:
Just a random question,
This community is allways knowledgable so any insight would be great!
I got TOMTOM for my kaiser today and I was attempting to install it
to my SD card (8gig..6 of which free) but during the installation
process i didnt even get the option to change the installation location.
it just auto-installed to my internal mem. not so bad but after i start
adding voices and maps its going to not be enough space. So my question
is ...is there a way to reroute programs to the SD post installation...forcably
install to an SD..or link parts to a program, like maps for a GPS, from an SD.
thanks for any insight kaiser fans!
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Is this normal for TomTom??
Installation locations are chosen/set by the SW author at the time of cab creation. There may be a way of re-directing this but it would probably cause a heap of problems.
Installation of the main apps to internal memory is usually done to give the maximum speed efficiency of regularly called files, SD card access is much slower than main memory.
Bit of a trade off...

Couldn't say if it was normal for tomtom,
its my first time installing it/using it. But what you said about memory in general makes ALOT of sense. Thanks!
I'll keep poking around tomtom forums specifically for a way to link the features to the SD..maps, voices, POIs etc. thanks for the advice.

did you place the voice files in the root of the sd card??
create a folder called "voices" in the root of the sd card and then place the voice files in there
as for the maps, put the folder of the maps in the root of the sd card

That worked like a charm!
Thanks for the help. I didnt have them in the root directory i was just trying to find a way to link my custom dir.
Thanks for your help

GinjiVitis said:
Couldn't say if it was normal for tomtom,
its my first time installing it/using it. But what you said about memory in general makes ALOT of sense. Thanks!
I'll keep poking around tomtom forums specifically for a way to link the features to the SD..maps, voices, POIs etc. thanks for the advice.
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Checkout www.tomtomforums.com and you can get tons of POI's, map themes, and some voice files too.

Installing Garmin Mobile XT on Diamond

Installation procedure:
a) Start installation of 'GarminMobileXTforWindowsMobile_42020w.e xe' from PC through ActiveSync. Select your Storage Card as destination. During the installation, files will be copied to your storage card. The files should appear in '\Storage Card\Garmin\Apps\WM'.
b) Install 'GarminMobileXTSupportFiles_4xxxx.exe' for voice files.
c) Install 'GarminMobileXTFreeBasemap_4xxxx.exe' for Garmin's base map.
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I have got the above instructions from a different site, but since the Diamond does not have a Storage Card, where I am supposed to install the Garmin app?
I have tried installing to the 4GB internal storage but it's not showing up during the installation as a storage destination. If it's not an option, will it eat up a lot of my valuable storage if I install to the phone default storage?
Also are there any alternative FREE GPS navigation software available for WM6 that worth checking out? This is my first GPS enabled mobile phone and I am anxious to try it out.
I am sorry if this has been answered before, but I have tried to search for an answer to this but not found any.

You install it to "Internal Storage" but that will be obvious because this is the only choice the garminxt install will give you.
I've been playing with GarminXT and so far I prefere it over TomTom.

So how memory would I have left with after installing the main application, the support files and the maps ? I wish if there a way to install to 4GB internal storage instead if using the default phone storage.

Internal storage is the 4GB. Depending on the maps you have... I have a full install of worldwide base + support files + detailed Canada takes up about 200mb... where I have TomTom I can't just chose detailed canada its all of NA or nothing and it takes up 1.4GB.

Go to Device Settings -> Connections -> USB to PC
Once you are inside here, select "Disk Drive (Faster File Transfer)" and also "Ask about connection type when I connect"
This way, when you connect your device to the PC, you can choose wether to enable ActiveSync or Disk mode.
For this specific case, to install Garmin, choose "Disk mode"...this emulates a removable storage on your PC, and then Garmin will detect this.
This is how I've done it, and worked 100%.
Bye

s1rl4ncel0t said:
Go to Device Settings -> Connections -> USB to PC
Once you are inside here, select "Disk Drive (Faster File Transfer)" and also "Ask about connection type when I connect"
This way, when you connect your device to the PC, you can choose wether to enable ActiveSync or Disk mode.
For this specific case, to install Garmin, choose "Disk mode"...this emulates a removable storage on your PC, and then Garmin will detect this.
This is how I've done it, and worked 100%.
Bye
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Thank you for this tip. This is what I was looking for. Will try it out once I am back home.

Ok I have managed to get Garmin successfully installed in my Diamond However when I installed the files using the 'disk mode' option, I had to disconnect the the USB cable to complete the software installation in my phone as it did not prompt me for any additional steps in the phone when the USB cable is still connected.
Anyways, thank you all for your assistance. I am glad to have found this resourceful forum.

alhinai said:
Ok I have managed to get Garmin successfully installed in my Diamond However when I installed the files using the 'disk mode' option, I had to disconnect the the USB cable to complete the software installation in my phone as it did not prompt me for any additional steps in the phone when the USB cable is still connected.
Anyways, thank you all for your assistance. I am glad to have found this resourceful forum.
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When the phone is in disk mode the phone itself is not able to see the internal memory. This prevents you from possible locking of files by the phone while trying to manipulate via PC.
Activesync works just as fast as disk mode, it is the phone's usb speed that makes the difference with the diamond.

oke Garmin is installed. But I like to install the maps. But have some problem with the devicecode

vipinholland said:
oke Garmin is installed. But I like to install the maps. But have some problem with the devicecode
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In Garmin go to settings / about - you will see your Card ID number (internal storage) if it's what you are looking for ... other device IDs are also listed.

tc816 said:
In Garmin go to settings / about - you will see your Card ID number (internal storage) if it's what you are looking for ... other device IDs are also listed.
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THANKS I will try if it's works

I have a problem with my Garmin (last version, with Western Europe map NT2008 and basemap)...
The map is very slow, and very inacurate
Any ideias why, and how I can fix it?
Bye

s1rl4ncel0t said:
I have a problem with my Garmin (last version, with Western Europe map NT2008 and basemap)...
The map is very slow, and very inacurate
Any ideias why, and how I can fix it?
Bye
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try disabling touchflo 3d report back if that increase sperformance.

Ok, probably an easy one this, but I've installed Mobile XT on my diamond but when I fire it up it tries to look for a bluetooth GPS reciever. How do I tell it to use the built in unit on the diamond?? Thanks

clemo71 said:
Ok, probably an easy one this, but I've installed Mobile XT on my diamond but when I fire it up it tries to look for a bluetooth GPS reciever. How do I tell it to use the built in unit on the diamond?? Thanks
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Settings - System
Remote GPS
Hit Enable
Hopefully that should work

Enable?
I have the same problem
Could you be a little more precise about "Hit Enable"?
I don't have that setting under Settings-System in-Remote GPS
And shouldn't it be a setting somewhere inside the Garmin application since there is no problem using Tomtom with the internal GPS?
But in Garmin I can´t find anywhere to change GPS-settings and when I go into the settings about gps in Garmin it starts looking for a bluetooth gps right away with no possibillity to change.

When I said - SETTINGS, SYSTEM
I meant the ones in the GARMIN APPLICATION!

L o r d R a j said:
When I said - SETTINGS, SYSTEM
I meant the ones in the GARMIN APPLICATION!
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Oops Sorry
When I go to Settings-System the number one choice there is External GPS and when I click that I get the message "Only connections to Garmin GPS-unit is allowed" ???
/M

You need to unlock your GPS or rather the Garmin XT software for it to work with your internal GPS. You do this by using JetMouse Keygen 1.3 (or 1.5) and pasting the generated code based on your Device ID (explained in a previous post where to find that) into a txt file called sw.unl (note pls make sure that the .txt extension is changed to .unl) to be placed into your garmin folder. For JM just google for it.

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You need to unlock your GPS or rather the Garmin XT software for it to work with your internal GPS. You do this by using JetMouse Keygen 1.3 (or 1.5) and pasting the generated code based on your Device ID (explained in a previous post where to find that) into a txt file called sw.unl (note pls make sure that the .txt extension is changed to .unl) to be placed into your garmin folder. For JM just google for it.
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OK Thanks.
I suppose if I had been more patient and read all of the threads more thorough, I should have discovered that.
When I saw your answer I recognized it but couldn't make the connection to my problem.
Sorry all, for repeating things that I most certainly should have been able to have found in earlier threads, but never the less many thanks for the input.

bluetooth file exchange

Have been using my new tytn II for the past weeks, so am a newbie to this XDA-dev malarky and think its all great and fandabiousy, (preverbial) 'BUT' am having problems with lost bluetooth files......
I use a mac on leopard with bluetooth file exchange for data transfer/cabs etc. with the latest rom wmbile 6.1 from HTC site.
Also use the 'missing sync' as a go between instead of 'active sync' but tend to drop files across using the standard bluetooth file exchange as that seems to work more consistently than the desktop mount or instal option of the 'missing sync' -
tytn tells me that it is accepting the files and then says 'do I want to save file to device' I select 'yes' with no option for where to place them this means that I end up having to hunt throughout the device for the transfered file, which consistently is invisible to the naked eye
If I use the search it does not tell me where the files are being stored and does not offer any advanced options (that bit just does not seem to be playing at all no matter what it searches on) so I double click a cab from the search menu and it instals
From a file management perspective this is a nightmare as I presumably have redundant cab files somewhere on the phone and data which is just hoggin space
Have searched the forums here and htc and the blogs and the wider yhoo/ggle for the past day etc. But to no avail nothing on where this pesky little blighters are being stored or transferred to or no info on how to direct them to a folder of my choice.
So the million dollar question is.......... where they go? (presume there is a default)
The two million dollar question is .......... can I manage these more efficiently with better software? (if so any pointers)
And the three million dollar question is .......... How many smarties did it take to build the london underground?
All help much appreciated in full!

dabbat3 said:
Have been using my new tytn II for the past weeks, so am a newbie to this XDA-dev malarky and think its all great and fandabiousy, (preverbial) 'BUT' am having problems with lost bluetooth files......
I use a mac on leopard with bluetooth file exchange for data transfer/cabs etc. with the latest rom wmbile 6.1 from HTC site.
Also use the 'missing sync' as a go between instead of 'active sync' but tend to drop files across using the standard bluetooth file exchange as that seems to work more consistently than the desktop mount or instal option of the 'missing sync' -
tytn tells me that it is accepting the files and then says 'do I want to save file to device' I select 'yes' with no option for where to place them this means that I end up having to hunt throughout the device for the transfered file, which consistently is invisible to the naked eye
If I use the search it does not tell me where the files are being stored and does not offer any advanced options (that bit just does not seem to be playing at all no matter what it searches on) so I double click a cab from the search menu and it instals
From a file management perspective this is a nightmare as I presumably have redundant cab files somewhere on the phone and data which is just hoggin space
Have searched the forums here and htc and the blogs and the wider yhoo/ggle for the past day etc. But to no avail nothing on where this pesky little blighters are being stored or transferred to or no info on how to direct them to a folder of my choice.
So the million dollar question is.......... where they go? (presume there is a default)
The two million dollar question is .......... can I manage these more efficiently with better software? (if so any pointers)
And the three million dollar question is .......... How many smarties did it take to build the london underground?
All help much appreciated in full!
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The default is under the Devices documents folder ( My device ----->My Documents using file explorer) . I also use a macbook pro. Best bet is to transfer things to a cardreader. MUCH faster and you dont have to worry about dropping out in the middle of a large file transfer.
Also, depending on the rom, there is also the option for an actual "Bluetooth transfers" folder which i also believe to be under the "My documents" folder on the device.

you are a guiness sir ! loads of cans found and deleted !

pyraxiate said:
The default is under the Devices documents folder ( My device ----->My Documents using file explorer) . I also use a macbook pro. Best bet is to transfer things to a cardreader. MUCH faster and you dont have to worry about dropping out in the middle of a large file transfer.
Also, depending on the rom, there is also the option for an actual "Bluetooth transfers" folder which i also believe to be under the "My documents" folder on the device.
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do you run tomtom? and if so do you find it works using the card reader to sync to HOME (their update software) ?
Am attempting to run tomtom 6 nav and have just bought the maps for western Europe but it will not sync through usb or bluetooth

dabbat3 said:
do you run tomtom? and if so do you find it works using the card reader to sync to HOME (their update software) ?
Am attempting to run tomtom 6 nav and have just bought the maps for western Europe but it will not sync through usb or bluetooth
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Simply copy the maps onto the root of the sd card once downloaded. When you start uo tt6 ( im running tt7) it should ask for your key. Input it and all is good

pyraxiate said:
Simply copy the maps onto the root of the sd card once downloaded. When you start uo tt6 ( im running tt7) it should ask for your key. Input it and all is good
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my problem is found in the access to the maps - tomtom use 'home' software to download and pair with the device unfortunately this does not work with tytn and mac so am stuck at the 'turn your device on and pair' screen. with no links to my legitimate map downloads etc,
(have only found tomtom 6 navigator to work without crashing my tytn...)
have emailed tomtom to see if they can give me a manual cab download rather than this messy software malarky! still waiting reply.....

Tom Tom install

Something that has annoyed me with the new TOM TOM after an update from TOM TOM Home it installed it on my main memory instead of storage card so therefore it now takes up so much room that I can't install any more programs. Any way of modding the installation cab to install on my storage card instead ????
Have searched and also tried using pocket mechanic to move whole program to storage cars but then the gps refused to lock on.

buffystar said:
Something that has annoyed me with the new TOM TOM after an update from TOM TOM Home it installed it on my main memory instead of storage card so therefore it now takes up so much room that I can't install any more programs. Any way of modding the installation cab to install on my storage card instead ????
Have searched and also tried using pocket mechanic to move whole program to storage cars but then the gps refused to lock on.
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Which TomTom version do you have?

buffystar said:
Something that has annoyed me with the new TOM TOM after an update from TOM TOM Home it installed it on my main memory instead of storage card so therefore it now takes up so much room that I can't install any more programs. Any way of modding the installation cab to install on my storage card instead ????
Have searched and also tried using pocket mechanic to move whole program to storage cars but then the gps refused to lock on.
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..when installing tt on internal storage map share will not work any more!

Move all files except tthome.bif (created when connecing to tthome) to the internal memory, create a Program (or Program files folder head memory. (I don't have an english version and am not sure of which name.)
Keep a copy of CurrentMap.dat and UserPatch.dat in the original folder.
Home works, everything else as before. Not sure if this is the nicest way, but it works.
P.S. You have to create a new shortcut to TomTomNavigator.exe in the programs folder, and delete the old one.

Thanks have sorted it by filling up my main memory with MP3's etc then trying to install the cab. It then says memory full do you want to install on storage and voila sorted.

buffystar said:
Thanks have sorted it by filling up my main memory with MP3's etc then trying to install the cab. It then says memory full do you want to install on storage and voila sorted.
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nice one, good trick