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OK guys need a couple suggestions...

I'm new to the PPC world, my 8125 gets here today or tomorrow and I've been looking into programs and all that I can do to optimize my experience with it. But given I don't have the phone yet and am a total newb regarding this, I was wondering, what are the first things I need to do to improve my PPC and get software/freeware onto it? Like can I just download the apps onto the device or storage card and install them or is there something I overlooked? Just tryna figure out what to do and what NOT to do... an overall list of must-have apps (freeware or not) would be nice to have too if someone's kind enough.
Anyways, thanks a lot and I'm pretty hyped about getting the phone and playing around with it

This could be a starting point, pretty comprehensive and well organised:
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/applications/128278-best-pocket-pc-freeware-starting-point.html
Rest you will figure out once you start using it. All the best.

cool, thanks for the help but i dont just want an app list, i want to know like what are the first things you should do to get ready for smooth operation, like (i still havent got this) wt is a/the ROM? is it something that doesnt come with the ppc and i gotta get it to be able to use something else? or does a stock one come with the ppc and im supposed to get a better one? stuff like that, cuz im like TOTALLY new to ppc, like i'll probably figure out most the stuff but I want to be safe first

I think you have been reading a lot about ROMS on this forum! Well ROM is nothing but the basic operating system on which the PPC runs most of the times these are customised by the operator you buy the phone from. So basic settings are there like GPRS, MMS, Homepage etc. You really don't need to worry about ROMs right now, first get the phone, play around, install 3rd party softwares and slowly you will figure out what is what. Keep reading the threads here, you will find a lot of knowledge from Gurus, but you gotta to be patient and read as much as you can. Because anything you try with ROM can be dangerous for the phone. You could even 'brick' it. You could even lose your warranty. So right now after you get the phone just toy around and have fun, forget ROM right now. And don't worry your phone is ready to run smoothly as it is.

kull said:
I think you have been reading a lot about ROMS on this forum! Well ROM is nothing but the basic operating system on which the PPC runs most of the times these are customised by the operator you buy the phone from. So basic settings are there like GPRS, MMS, Homepage etc. You really don't need to worry about ROMs right now, first get the phone, play around, install 3rd party softwares and slowly you will figure out what is what. Keep reading the threads here, you will find a lot of knowledge from Gurus, but you gotta to be patient and read as much as you can. Because anything you try with ROM can be dangerous for the phone. You could even 'brick' it. You could even lose your warranty. So right now after you get the phone just toy around and have fun, forget ROM right now. And don't worry your phone is ready to run smoothly as it is.
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cool thats wt i wanted to know and yh i was reading about ROM and about unlocking and stuff and i dunno if that is necessary or recommended, but if u say its ready to run as it is thats fine cuz i just wanna have it do wt it can do, and have a few good customizations/apps that make life easier .. well i'll continue to read though after i get the phone

kull said:
I think you have been reading a lot about ROMS on this forum! Well ROM is nothing but the basic operating system on which the PPC runs most of the times these are customised by the operator you buy the phone from. So basic settings are there like GPRS, MMS, Homepage etc. You really don't need to worry about ROMs right now, first get the phone, play around, install 3rd party softwares and slowly you will figure out what is what. Keep reading the threads here, you will find a lot of knowledge from Gurus, but you gotta to be patient and read as much as you can. Because anything you try with ROM can be dangerous for the phone. You could even 'brick' it. You could even lose your warranty. So right now after you get the phone just toy around and have fun, forget ROM right now. And don't worry your phone is ready to run smoothly as it is.
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YUP !!!
Very wise advise by Kull,the phone already comes with pre-installed OS (Rom) by the operator,you don't have to install it separately,it may be installed with the latest OS wm6,but even if it comes with a wm5 OS version Rom ,just use and enjoy it,get a grip of all the functions,it's hell of a device.
The Roms discussed here are mainly upgrades to wm6,which was launched later by Microsoft and the phones earlier came with wm5 Roms,therefore,people like to upgrade to wm6.It requires some procedures to unlock and upgrade with a risk of getting it Bricked,so it;s not advisable for you to consider it,as yet.ok
And ,of course, CONGRATS !!!

yh id rather stick with the OS it comes with for now but i was just wondering if i needed to upgrade anything to get some nice apps on it but nvm thnx a lot i think i might be gettin it today hopefully

Should I buy this phone?

I nearly bought this phone tonight before T-Mobile decided to charge me full price. I decided ebay might be a better place to buy one instead of paying 500 dollars for an iphone wannabe. It looks like a nice phone. I really like the wifi feature. I intend to use the wifi in my home as I already have wifi though out the house in use with my wifes computer and my PS3. It seemed like it would fit nice. I want to be able to surf the internet and maybe use google maps and google talk via the phone and wifi. I assume that can be done. After reading a few reviews though I put a screeching halt on my ebay bids. The phone seems to suffer from serious memory issues. Every negative review dealt with the memory or lock ups which I assume were also memory related. It appears the phone ships with a slow processor and not enough memory. I have no problems with buys a microSD card in the 2 to 4 gig range if that will solve the memory issues. I intended on buying one anyway for the application storage. Will the additional memory solve the issues with the phone? Are there updates to the phone that will correct these issues possible since many of the reviews were written? Are there currently SAFE work arounds that would correct the memory issues? I am no stranger to fooling around with this type of thing but at 300 dollars and considering that I am buying on ebay, I'm affraid i wont be in a position to gamble with the phone. If made the purchase through T-mobile I could possibly return the phone but ebay is another matter. Many of the sales are final. I dont want this phone if it requires flashing Rom's or extensive worj arounds to get the phone working.
So I will rely on your opinions on whether or not to make this purchase. If not this phone..what phone? I use t-mobile and dont want an unlocked phone so it would need to be one of their available products. I hear the MDA isnt bad. I really like the idea of a windows mobile OS as it would allow me to put darn near any app on the phone I want to. I want WIFI. I want to be able to use google talk and google maps on the phone and I really like the idea of surfing the web for free on my couch useing full functioning browsers not those mobile editions. Any recomendations if not the Hearld/Wing? Can I get the Wing to work properly and not freeze, hang up, lock up, or require constant reboots?

Point Blank you will have to change the rom on the wing in order to get some performance out of it, I switched from the MDA and the first day I got the wing I wanted my MDA back, but after changing the rom I forgot all about my big fat MDA even though The MDA has a 1250mAh battery and the wing just has a 1130mAh Batt.
If you do not want to do a rom upgraded you can take a shot at the Shadow, which has twice has much built in Memory and Storage, but its just a smartphone not a full PPC ................
also the MDA has been Dis-continued so if you buy one it will be a re-furb.

on second thought, You might just have to change the paging pool size and that should free up some Memory. and its too easy to do, and you can also delete and uninstall some files and programs you have no need for

I saw a few articles about both the rom and the page file. In your opinion, is changing the rom a wise thing to do with little to no support? I know that rom updates are risky, but on computers for example, its such a slick and easy process that there is little to no risk. Would a rom update on the wing be a wise thing to do? Is the available rom from a reputable sourse or is this something "Cody the 12 year old" made? I really want to make this wing my next phone but I dont want a 400 dollar PDA/cell phone that does neither correctly.

prodaytrader said:
I saw a few articles about both the rom and the page file. In your opinion, is changing the rom a wise thing to do with little to no support? I know that rom updates are risky, but on computers for example, its such a slick and easy process that there is little to no risk. Would a rom update on the wing be a wise thing to do? Is the available rom from a reputable sourse or is this something "Cody the 12 year old" made? I really want to make this wing my next phone but I dont want a 400 dollar PDA/cell phone that does neither correctly.
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Hi,
I have not created my own rom, but have recooked a few version of the Touch-IT v2.3 wing by itje. Recooking a rom is a long process, creating a rom would take even longer.
I've flashed my wing over 80 times now during testing new roms and recooking.
I've bricked the phone a lot of times in the process but with the orignal ruu, its no big deal.
I'm pretty sure itje and other fine rom cookers in this forum are not 12 year olds.
If you want to buy the wing then buy it and tjem read the forum and learn how to flash new roms and change page pool size.
If you want a faster and more powerful phone then buy the Kaiser.
Thanks for reading.

funny you should mention the Kaiser. I just finished reading up on that one. Thats a serious phone. It's way more phone and money then I am prepared to pony up. Is this the next best option for me?
I didnt mean any offense on the 12 year old statement. I certainly wasnt refering to anyone in particular or members of this board. I was mearly trying to imply unproven rom techniques. It sounds like there is well tested processess probably on this board for flashing the rom. It will likely be a safe process for me.
Would there be another recomendation for T-mobile if not the Kaiser or the Wing?

T-mo currently has 3 windows based devices listed which are the Wing, The Dash and The shadow, both the Dash and the shadow are smartphones and not PPC .................. since you dont want to have to unlock another device to be able to use it, I would recomend that you get the wing and while its being shipped to you read this thread about changing the Paging Pool
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324955
When you get the phone try give the 4mb Paging pool a test (thats what I use)
and if you still do not like it or just want to see how much better it is try a Rom upgraded I recomend Touch-IT wing 2.3 cooked by itje and he is not the 12 yr old that beat you in online gaming ................ you can get it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=340403
The installation is VERY VERY easy, but make sure to read the instruction in the folder and if you skip a line you will brick your phone ......................... but if you do brick your phone its pretty simple to unbrick, just re-flash the official rom .................... I can't seem to find that link (or too tired to look) but if someone can post it please do, If i come home tomorrow and no one has posted a link I will upload it for you

great info. phone purchased and ill be sure to give those tips a go. thanks

prodaytrader said:
great info. phone purchased and ill be sure to give those tips a go. thanks
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Just a note. Make sure you read and then RE-READ the instructions provided with every rom. And its also a good thing to get the T-Mobile official RUU as once the phone is bricked, this is the only rom that will unbrick it. I don't want to scare you because it's actually a very easy process. I have flashed itje's rom to several of my co-workers (were all T-Mobile employees) with no unrecoverable issues.

Am I Being Overly Paranoid?

Ive been a loving owner of a Tilt for quite a few months now, and have modded, changed, and added to it as much as i can. Recently ive been having a few troubles with the phone keeping a connection, so i figured i would backup things, and do a hard reset to get back to square one.
But i started looking and saw sakajati's new Hyperdragon ROM, and am now seriously tempted to flash this rom instead of just sticking with the WM 6.1 stock AT&T rom i have now. So far ive got everything i apparently need downloaded, and have read and re read the directions, faqs, and every guide on doing it to death.
My problem is i can't see to go through with the first step, i am just so worried about breaking my phone. I don't have the money to get a new one, and this one wasn't exactly cheap since i bought it out of contract. Am i just being overly paranoid?

Well, Its been said that its hard to brick your phone, but if you arent too confident you should have a techy friend handle it for you
Flashing in itself is pretty simple and easy to figure out from the wikis. Just be sure to follow all of the directions to the T. Also, to change roms, you have to use Jump-SPL to flash the Hard-SPL. Once thats on your phone it will be nearly impossible to "Brick"

haha i am the techie of all my friends. I know about using jump-spl to put on a hard-spl. Ive already got the jump-spl program on my phone, i keep getting nervous when i go to run it.
Guess i just wanted someone else to slap me in the face more or less and tell me its ok to do, even with all ive already read.

Well, i took the plunge. Already got HardSPL v3.56 on my phone, and am already more then half way through flashing the new rom. Im still rather nervous, but all is going well so far, so my hopes are high. i really can't wait to see my phone with this new rom, even if i gotta go through and get all the at&t connection settings done. Thankfully theres cabs for that
Thanks for the fast reply by the way

Well it went well I am so far fairly happy with the new rom. Only problem im having now is for some reason my phone wont get a data connection going. I have tried using the rr att settings cab, using the connection wizard, entering in the settings myself, everything i can think of. I hope that doesn't kill this rom for me.

make sure proxy is disabled

That did partially work Thanks for the advice though. Ive now moved on to try another rom. Now that i know how to do it its gettings addictive to try more of em. Onto duttys right now Already tried the new offical AT&T rom and Garmins. Hoping to find that perfect one i like the most
Way its going though i might be cooking my own since i can't find one just perfect for me.

would you mind to upload the att settings .cab mine are messed up and there site to send it is under going maintenance

DO IT! it was nervewracking at first for me (i voided my warrranty with all this good stuff just 2 hours after i got the phone xD)

i cant even tell you how many different roms i have flashed, only problems i have ever had were because of the radio, i can see the paranoia but just do it, and if you mess anything up you can always revert to the stock rom, which you can find on xda somewhere
the way i look at it is the tilt is a little old now, i got mine last december, so if i break it ill get another phone, which i am already saving up for now anyways

Diamond ... To Buy or not to Buy :-)

Being a user of HTC touch that just died... :-( I am looking for my next Phone.
I have 24 hours to decide if I shall buy the Diamond or not. You are the best people to suggest as you are the current users...
I had a look at the diamond Pro but just too large and heavy for my needs
Your Suggestions will be highly apreciated. Also If you can recommend a good trusted online supplier in Europe that would be great too!!!
George the Greek

well if you liked Touch....you will definitely love Diamond (if u don't need hardware keyboard )

if u can afford it, get a Touch HD

If Touch Pro is too big for you, Touch HD is even bigger.
When it comes to size, you can't go worng with Touch Diamond. It is the size of a pager. I have bought a slim case for Diamond that I can wear on my belt. Loving it.

get a diamond
flash with a cooked rom...and your good to go
look here...just brought a item from them..ultra fast and great company
here is a start point for a diamond for you
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/16495.htm

if you take a diamond you MUST cook a newer rom, the original one could be a bit outdated & so... disappointing

Thanks but they seem to send only in UK .... I am currently in Malta.
:-(
liamhere said:
flash with a cooked rom...and your good to go
look here...just brought a item from them..ultra fast and great company
here is a start point for a diamond for you
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/16495.htm
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dont' worry bro... you can buy trought a good (direct) italian importer:
http://www.italianaimportazione.net/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=76
now they sell the diamond at 398€
bye,
davide

I bought the diamond 2 days ago...
If you want to install tools and go online with it... forget it! it's really slow!!
I prefer my old N81... much better!
And Windows Mobile... slow slow slow and windows-like (had to make 2 hard resets so far)
I'm thinking to give it bake and buy a N96...

not possible... with a light & recent rom you can reach the same performance as an iphone (I have a fellow with it)
for the navigation speed, if you go online only with umts, you have to increase some parameters in your registry, because they have a middle level values to work also with gprs connections
I saw the n96 the past weekend in a shop, I played a bit... very annoying, with a windows mobile even if it isn't perfect possibilities are undefined

Anymore feedback....??
Sounds like a 50 % Yes and 50% No so far... :-(

baisically, You do want to get a Diamond, as long as you dont ming playing with it to get it setup right.
If you havent had a windows mobile phone before, you wont notice the difference, its only people that have had a more baisic windows mobile phone before, with less feastures/graphics that say it is slow. because, comparatively it is.
Buy one, stick with standard for a while, then Flash a new ROM radio once you know your way around it and are comfortable with Hard SPL etc.

Thanks mugglesquop! I am pretty confident with upgrading Roms, SPLS etc ... you see being an owner of HTC touch had to do plenty of these upgrades
thanks once more.
WOuld you reccomend any decent europena online shop at good prices?

Handtec are pretty good, thats where i got mine.
I even managed to return it after it developed some problems...

these things do require work to get the best out of them but once that's done, boy do they shine . i have had mine for just over a month and am still on a stock ROM but i have tweaked it so much and can't stop touching it .
Best phone i ever had.

I bought htc and I sold it after a week, i thought that is slow etc etc, when i checked another pones didn't liked none of them so i decided to buy again HTC Diamond, when u get familiar with it after a month nobody will change it with any another phon just to remember you should not install to many applications because than will work slow like windows xp or similar.
regards

usually, as long as you install to Internal Storage (as opposed to memory) and you remember to properly shut programs (not minimise), you can have loads installed, i have! still runs very quick.

The device can do nearly anything you wish (as you are aware) and is nice and compact...you can even carry it in a shirt pocket
Of course you have to update your ROM (which you said you can and will do...) which is a must
However,...there is a cost of course to having such a light-weight device...power!!
If your prepared tocharge your device on a daily basis your good to go! You will also find the GPS frustrating...it works, but quite often you have put it in a circle of candles and pray for connections
All in all, I would recommend purchase.....however I'm looking forward to the "NEW" Diamond II when its dreamt up.....you know.... bug free

never had a problem with GPS...

Interested in getting a tilt, i have some questions though

Hello all. This phone mainly got my attention because i read up that it can run android OS.
I am currently using a tmobile g1. the only reason i'm giving it up because tmobile won't let me use my cheap data plan with it. They want me to upgrade to an expensive one. (I had t-zones unlimited working on iphone for awhile)
So i decided to look into an at&t phone and hope that it can be unlocked and i can set up my t-zones internet on it as i did on the iphone (also from at&t)
Here are my questions:
1) Is it easy to unlock the htc tilt? Or do i get it unlocked from someone else?
2) Once loaded, does Android os have all its features on the HTC tilt?
3) Will I be able to set up EDGE with tmobile WHILE on android? (and will it work? lol)
Thanks everyone, i really appreciate ur help guys

jadi929 said:
Hello all. This phone mainly got my attention because i read up that it can run android OS.
I am currently using a tmobile g1. the only reason i'm giving it up because tmobile won't let me use my cheap data plan with it. They want me to upgrade to an expensive one. (I had t-zones unlimited working on iphone for awhile)
So i decided to look into an at&t phone and hope that it can be unlocked and i can set up my t-zones internet on it as i did on the iphone (also from at&t)
Here are my questions:
1) Is it easy to unlock the htc tilt? Or do i get it unlocked from someone else?
2) Once loaded, does Android os have all its features on the HTC tilt?
3) Will I be able to set up EDGE with tmobile WHILE on android? (and will it work? lol)
Thanks everyone, i really appreciate ur help guys
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Wow.
This is so silly on so many levels, but the overriding thing is this.. Android on the Tilt is a cute hack. No more than that. You gotta boot WM first, then Android. You have to kludge around to get voice and/or data to work in Android. It's not as stable as Android is natively. Some of the hardware doesn't work....
just.. no...

Yes, here's what I used: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375583
http://www.androidonhtc.com/kaiser/port_status, the camera is the only piece of hardware that isn't working at all, most others have partial or full capability. Wi-Fi is still experimental, and GPS is kind of tempermental.
Yes, once SIM unlocked, you should be able to set up and use APN's through config.txt/startup.txt, and Android itself.
However, keep in mind that Android is still not fully functional or stable, and you must boot Windows Mobile in order to run the Android bootloader. Android is still kind of beta, and may stay that way for a while. I don't currently think I could run Android full time on my device without any issues. So that's some stuff you need to think about before you buy a Kaiser just for running Android. In your situation, I personally wouldn't.
Dave

Yes, it is easy to unlock...
And jsut stick with WM, it just works better right now

khaytsus said:
Wow.
This is so silly on so many levels, but the overriding thing is this.. Android on the Tilt is a cute hack. No more than that. You gotta boot WM first, then Android. You have to kludge around to get voice and/or data to work in Android. It's not as stable as Android is natively. Some of the hardware doesn't work....
just.. no...
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I thought your response to his question was pretty silly..its a hack like u said so of course it isnt going to work with flying colors just yet..though im sure it's much better than you picture in your head. There even more advantages of booting from SD card we can run the hero rom nearly as much as hero itself. Plus more androids phone will support our qvga screen in the future.

Well i dont really like winmobile, maybe cuz i'v never really used it. i always thought it was for business ppl. anyway, thanks for ur help. can anyone recommend another phone?

jadi929 said:
Well i dont really like winmobile, maybe cuz i'v never really used it. i always thought it was for business ppl. anyway, thanks for ur help. can anyone recommend another phone?
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Dude, at some point you are going to have to bite the bullet, so to speak. With the increased capabilities of the phones to download greater amouts of info faster and faster, the carrier companies are going to charge or structure their data packages according to the amount of data you access as opposed to the time you spend " online ".
If you like android , then you need to stick with a phone the runs it natively, like your G1. To want to get rid of your G1, to buy a non android phone and then hack android on to it, is kind of " silly " despite what ajclai08 says and how " cool " it is to run Android on a phone that is not meant to run it.
You can spend the next month trying to fudge the phone you want with the OS you want , with a data package that violates your carrier's TOS, but in the end it " is " going to cost you and why be stuck with a phone and OS that you are unhappy with.