To jasonchiu - using PM to ask forum questions is the wrong way to go about getting information. The idea of a forum is so that EVERYONE can ask questions and everyone can see the answers, that way everyone learns. If you just trawled the members online and PM'd everyone this is SPAM and everyone hates that...
Anyway, it's obvious from your questions that you haven't read much (if anything) because they have all been answered before - I suggest you do some reading then post your questions in the open forum. If you get told the question is dumb then it probably is, but you'll still get some answers or tips.
If you just PM everyone because you're too lazy to read you'll just end up getting flamed - then when you brick your phone no one will help.
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Seems you're not the only one getting PM's with questions that could have been asked in the open forums. I too have been getting some, as well -- although not from jasonchiu.
Folks -- to keep PM'ing users about getting links to files that are already posted on the forums' threads is NOT cool. The links are there. READ THE FORUMS!!!
I don't mind answering questions via PM about a certain app I'm using, or how did I do . . . ?? But, to get a PM wanting a link to something that's already on these threads over and over again -- and with SEVERAL different hosts -- is uncalled for. I will begin ignoring such requests. . .
I, too, am constantly reading and trying new and different ROMs and apps on my device. Reading is where the answers come from. If you can't find an answer, THEN post your question in the appropriate forums. Then -- only if you don't get an answer -- PM someone whom you feel could help you out.
If you're getting PMs that should be open forum, just post them in the open forum and ignore the PM. PMs aren't an excuse for greater laziness, and the forum is a forum after all, ie public debate and discursion.
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If you think you get a lot trying being a mod... but im not complaining, i like helping people!
But i do see the point of some people shooting pm's instead of posting in the fora.. some people are afraid of getting flamed.. kinda like whats happening in this topic. I find that most of these people know the answer is in the boards, and they have searched but couldnt find it and afraid of being humiliated. Some people are just lazy, but they are usually to lazy to send a pm as its faster to just post the same question over and over.. what i would suggest is that if someone constantly pm's you then either keep pointing them to the correct threads, or tell them you dont know.
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When a member (both new and senior) repeats a post/question that has been answered before torches rise, everybody looses their head and hell breaks loose.
Just hear me out, please
Some members complain that repeating questions and posts "create spam" and just clug the forums. But comments that complain about those posts are just as unhelpful in the community.
All I'm saying is that I belive most users do search before posting a question, and they might not have found the answer with their specific phrasing. If they address the question in a different manner, in a near future when some one else encounters that same problem, they there are more chances of finding the answer, or even better: a more updated one!
So please: if you have easy access to the answer or a reference to it, it will cost you next to nothing and might save the forum several posts there after if you just actually help!!
This is something all forums suffer from. Just wanted to bring more awareness to the issue from a different perspective than most users.
... go ahead and flame me if you must
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All I'm saying is that I believe most users do search before posting a question, and they might not have found the answer with their specific phrasing.
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True enough, but the people who find the answers tend not to start a new thread about how they had a problem and then fixed it .
I've not really run into much trouble with the searching. If I find a thread where someone has asked a question that I'm also looking for the answer to and it's full of replies saying how it's been answered plenty of times before then at least I know it's an issue that's been dealt with and I can keep looking, confident that my answer is out there.
Sometimes it gets a little excessive when there's more than two or three replies to someone's thread telling them to search, but then it is clear that there's a hell of a lot of people out there that just plain don't bother trying to find things out for themselves. If anything can be done to make sure that they only do this the once, I'm all in favour.
ok, so i'll reply to this post by also referencing an answer
this thread is redundant you <insert worst insult you can think of here> noob
please see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371254
Ahhh....the irony!
I just put a rehash of previous posts in the last post and in my first post in that thread, and in Notatreofan's recent thread. Just so that more threads aren't created, I've included it here too.
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As for the problem with redundant threads, I've been trying to either:
Giving the new user a search term (that we know will help), or
given the new user a way to navigate and use the resources here, mostly created by us to prevent users from asking questions in the first place, or
given the noob the links he wanted.
If you're genuinely interested in helping others, you'll realize that two of the three ways actually teach a person new things, which means they'll be better off on their own, while #3 only encourages them to ask more questions.
Finally, it's not the amount of time you've been here reading, because that's not contributing back to the community. So my suggestion to you would be to come back and re-read this thread after you've contributed back to the forum by having at least 500+ genuinely helpful posts and see if you feel the same way.
And I don't mean your suggestions to fix a soft key issue by bashing the keyboard with a screwdriver
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I'd like to add, if you're feeling particularly annoyed, you can always include this link. If you append your search terms like this:
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http://www.justf**kinggoogleit.com/search?q=tilt+backlight+phone+call
It will redirect after 15 seconds to the google page you want. I highly suggest a bit of chastising when using that link, but please make sure they're aware that it is humorous and slightly offensive
Perhaps I've forgotten to emphasize that there is a fine line between chastising and harassing. Some members take it too far while not helping at all The idea is to get new users to become self-reliant, not flame the living crap out of them and belittle them
like the title,is the 23053 ROM have the sms problem like the 23049? it can't receive the sms mail when turn off the screen.
any body can ask me about this?thanks
here's the answer
thank you for your answer.
may be i am a new guy in this forum.so something i don't know yet.so thank you your ask.
but:
10. Help others if you can.
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
Dont answer this ignorant person, its obvious you havent read the forum rules
yes.i don't read the forum rules. and i don't know have it too.i a new people for this forum.
but i don't damn the forum rules.i just want to ask you forum rules have this one rules. help everybody who need to help.
i am a ignorant person? if you are a ingnorant person,i think you won't wated your time to discuss this no about the mobile question.you will go to ask the question if have somebody need answer.
The fact is you question has been answered a thousand times before and you need to search
if you answer me this,that i'll so thanks for you answer.because i'm a new people.new to this forum. so,for your last answer,i thank you.
but you all answer before,it is likt to ask me,i can't ask any question in this forum, and i must be a senior member when i am joinning this forum.know everything.
being new and having questions is no excuse, if everyone started a thread for every question they had it would turn into chaos.... dont be lazy, read read read, search and follow the rules!
but the forum have too much question.i just search it one time.no body have been post the 23053 ROM question and answer about 23053 ROM SMS. if have the same as my question and answer before,pls show me the address.i think that is your best work. and tell me to see the forum rules and learn it next time.
this is the real helpful for me and the other have same quetion people.no just tell to search and learn the rules.if i know how to do you,i won't post this quetion. if you can let me know about my question answer,pls tell me.and tell me how to do if i have the question too next time. no just tell me how to do next time and tell me i am a ignorant person. you want to joke me or help me and other new people?
the xet member answer me install the tweak and setup it will be OK.i had try,it's really good. so if somebody had the same problem as me.pls install tweak and setup.
today say too much.but just xet the answer is to my question.thanks
ok guys calm down.
First off @ it1861 - Try and abide by forum rules and search before creating a new thread. Yes, you are correct, the rules do say to try and help others when they ask a question. But you have to understand a lt of questions get asked countless times and people lose their patience when others don't search. Obviously they shouldn't lose their cool but instead should direct you to previous thread, and remind you of forum rules before a mod comes and closes thread.
Secondly @ shruff - Everyone has been a noob at some point including myself and it can be hard at first to navigate site. Please treat others with repsect and the way you would like to be treated. No need to lose your cool, just report thread and a mod will come and assist when available.
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How do I get rid of this 10 posts rule? I need to ask questions in the development forum. I develop and test roms for the last year, not sure why I need 10 posts in general forums in order to post there.
it is forum rules
dont want fresher‘s rubbish posts here
That's the rule, and we're bound to follow. ^.~
We all are
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There are no questions to ask in dev section. Its dev only. Not end user.
Then again i9000 dev section is full of end users spamming the board and not reading anything.
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We all are
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took me almost a month to reach 10-posts..suppose its a good thing..but a bit frustrating
just working on that myself... I wanna ask some question in the develepoment forum
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just working on that myself... I wanna ask some question in the develepoment forum
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Me too!
I want to thank a developper for his wonderfull Rom .....but till i have not reached 10 posts...... i can't.....
Yes... i want ask in dev forum but...
I report bugs and discuss via private message with some devs.
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johnypintas said:
[I must agree its not easy to reach 10 posts :/
I´ve wanted to post bug reports, send private messages, help out in general, but dev section is still locked for me...
anyways, thanks to our devs, i now have an up-to-date device (I9001) Thanks to them
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The very fact that you are making this post and posts here , means you are NOT restricted to make any useful posts on any forum but the development forum.
why?
Because its suppose to be spam free and Q&A threads are kept out of that forum to ensure ONLY development matters are discussed by Developers and members who have understood the rules and guidelines on how to use XDA site. New members need to understand this and respect them.
what do they need to understand?
This site was created by Developers for Developers
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what this videos conveys repeatedly are that there are dedicated forums and you need to LEARN to use the search engine
1) Use the search , instead of asking a question, as it is and has been asked by someone else and already answered so do not spam
2) Read, research and learn by looking in the right direction, so do not spam.
3) When reading the threads, you may come across, some interesting things and there you can make your own suggestions and or your findings, so do not spam
4) Specific Q&A threads are available for most phones, where you can ask questions, seek advice from others using similar phone like yours, so do not spam.
5) How do you find these threads? use the search, a few available on each forum for specific searches, so do not Spam.
6) There are even OT threads ( off topic) meant for members to have some fun, but not meant for beginners as you should at least have made 10 posts that had increased your knowledge or increased others by giving advice.
This community wants you to learn and walk the walk that all member's had to go through, just like citizens of a country have to undergo certain criteria to be a citizen of that country.
So, there you have it, its not about you learning to spam or posting out of disgust to reach to get over 10 posts but about you learning and achieving the status of an XDA member as well as learning how to find what you want with the search engine.
Again, if you learnt to spam, you may be penalized so avoid it at all cost making ten useful posts will only take a short time for anyone wishing to learn as well as teach or correct others. Try involving in a discussion thread, it will be over within hours
Finally you don't need to ask a question in the developers forum, there are Device specific forums, which you should and can use. Click the WIKI button on top of any forum and you can locate your Device WIKI page or your can use the general forum for such questions, either you will get an answer by a Member or the Moderator will move your post to the Device specific forum. So you must subscribe to your post, such that you will know where it has been moved to.
let me give you an idea
general forums A, or B
Q & A Forums A, or B,
Now if you look at Q&A, forums there are sticky threads in that forum for practically any question or phone by noobs where members are asking you to post , so that they can help you.
Mind you, above are only for people who cannot locate their phone model via the search . So when there is a specific forum for your device, there is also a Q&A thread in that forum for that device.
So you see clearly @Aeneas is spamming this thread, and someone will report him , and his count will be ZERO posts because of spamming instead of learning.
Just for the record, I have made over 2000 posts and I can tell you ONLY less than FIVE of them in Development Forums as a member in all this duration.
Hope this helps you understand
Check this out! You , YES! you are an " Android ". Not your phone but U.
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Read carefully what ^^^xsenman^^^ has posted.
Look HERE as well.
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There was a thread that was closed in another forum that was closed while I was typing my opinion.
Original thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642934)
If a noob comes in and asks a question that has been asked what you guys call countless times before, ignore it! Someone will answer it without being rude. And that will add to information.
I have been a member of this forum for years, and was a lurker for years before that. I can't tell you how many times I've searched for something only to find a thread with a question that didn't get answered. Instead I read through pages of flameage. If the question had been answered I could have moved on.
Like it or not you e-**** heads with your greater than thou complex are as much the problem as the noobs you hate.
And the truth of the matter is, that thread with the 3000 posts that have had the same question asked 100 times has 800 flames for the noobs that asked them.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=3862405
Check his signature. All problems would be solved if search was used. Even half the noob video for this site is telling noobs not to start a new thread and use the search.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they shouldn't search. It would be nice if they did, but they don't and all the complaints, flames, rudeness isn't going to change that.
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I honestly miss the old days of this site were if you didn't have anything to contribute, you didn't post and got flamed the whole way if did. I'm tired of all the noobs posting in the forums nowadays. So much so, that I don't go into the device forums much nowadays because of all the noob bs. If we would have never stopped the whole throwing of flaming fish heads in the first place, there would be no reason to have the 10 post rule. Would not have that problem. It all started because we moved to a softer more PC approach to noobs. Then hell broke loose.
My 2 cents is to go back to flaming noobs until they either leave or shut up and search and read.
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That right there would stop the need to have the same question answered 200 times. It gets reported as a bug, not a question. Gets developed. Gets fixed. And an update or solution is published. Wouldn't even need a Q&A if we went back to the way it was. I think most nowadays don't even know what a bug report is. They just whine about what is not working rather than trying to help.
I'm glad the old days are gone. "Flaming noobs" is no way to get things accomplished on XDA. This isn't a site for bullying, name-calling and making people feel bad about themselves. If you really want to know what this site is really about, read zelendel's post.
Don't forget, we were all "noobs" once. No one person knows all there is to know about everything. Learn to ignore people and quit the flaming. It really serves no purpose and it's a waste of time and thread space.
With that being said, I'm going to leave it at that and close this thread before it possibly gets out of hand with people saying why it's a good idea or bad idea to flame other members. Then this thread will turn into a flaming thread.
I have an Atrix 4G and a fair bit of knowledge on it. These forums are really good, but it would be useful if I could reply to threads in the atrix development. I have answers and questions, but I don't know if I need to be approved or something like that in order to post in the forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069298
atrix4g18 said:
I have an Atrix 4G and a fair bit of knowledge on it. These forums are really good, but it would be useful if I could reply to threads in the atrix development. I have answers and questions, but I don't know if I need to be approved or something like that in order to post in the forums.
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Since you are past 10 posts now you should be able to post there. If it still doesn't work in a few hours, then you might ping one of the mods in that forum to take a look at your account and see if there is some issue there.
You need 10 posts to post in development forums, which you can find out more about by looking at the links in my signature.
The server only updates permissions periodically so yours may not have been changed yet, but you have the required post count.
I've had a look at your posts and you're not a typical "10 post spammer" that we see a lot of in here, which is greatly appreciated, but it's still worth a reminder about the following things.
Don't create threads in Development forums unless it's to release software. Questions go in either a relevant existing thread, or a new one in the Q&A forum (or General forum if there's no device-specific Q&A forum). And on that note, always search thoroughly before asking. Nothing irritates other members more than seeing the same questions asked over and again.
Anyway, just bare the above in mind and go enjoy the forums. I'm just glad I don't have to delete a bunch of pointless posts
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You need 10 posts to post in development forums, which you can find out more about by looking at the links in my signature.
The server only updates permissions periodically so yours may not have been changed yet, but you have the required post count.
I've had a look at your posts and you're not a typical "10 post spammer" that we see a lot of in here, which is greatly appreciated, but it's still worth a reminder about the following things.
Don't create threads in Development forums unless it's to release software. Questions go in either a relevant existing thread, or a new one in the Q&A forum (or General forum if there's no device-specific Q&A forum). And on that note, always search thoroughly before asking. Nothing irritates other members more than seeing the same questions asked over and again.
Anyway, just bare the above in mind and go enjoy the forums. I'm just glad I don't have to delete a bunch of pointless posts
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Yeah man I just want to contribute. Do I need a "thanks" or something like that ?
Also can an admin "approve me" or something like that? My only other question is the five minute between post wait can that be removed? For example I'm just waiting now to send this reply, it's no big deal, just wondering.
Also I posted a thread here asking basically the same question, I don't know how to delete it, but here's a link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1783730
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Yeah man I just want to contribute. Do I need a "thanks" or something like that ?
Also can an admin "approve me" or something like that? My only other question is the five minute between post wait can that be removed? For example I'm just waiting now to send this reply, it's no big deal, just wondering.
Also I posted a thread here asking basically the same question, I don't know how to delete it, but here's a link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1783730
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Nope, its not reflected by Thanks Meter. Just 10 posts is decent enough. For deleting/closing that Thread, you need to contact the Forum Specific Moderator assigned to that Forum.
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Since you are past 10 posts now you should be able to post there. If it still doesn't work in a few hours, then you might ping one of the mods in that forum to take a look at your account and see if there is some issue there.
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Thanks, how do I "ping a mod" ?
@coolsandie alright thanks. I guess I will just wait.
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Thanks, how do I "ping a mod" ?
@coolsandie alright thanks. I guess I will just wait.
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At the top of each forum the mods responsible for that forum should be listed. I was suggesting to send one of them a PM, but Archer answered you here.
I got it. Thanks for the help I can post now!
@mf2112 thanks it's working fine now I can post replies !