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Question for the Wizard GURU, Sprite Back-Up

I was over on the Cingular forum today and someone was posting about using Sprite Back up to restore information after a ROM upgrade. I have asked the question before and everyone told me it was not possible to do, I never tried because of this. Today someone posted that they did a restore after the ROM upgrade and it worked fine other than a couple SMS settings. Is this true? Would this not revert some of the ROM files back to old ones? Any help would be useful.

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The problems with restoring a full back-up after a Rom upgrade.
1. Full back-up includes the Registry. There can be (and almost always are) subtle changes to how and where things get stored in the registry.
2. Core components (such as filenames and locations) have been known to change from one version to the next.
So now you overwrite the new registry with an old outdated one.
Sure you might not notice problems immediately but they will come.

So, I was going through the Sprite Back Up program and in the advanced tab it allows you to select the items you want to back up, exclude the registry and so on. With this said and selecting only the programs you are currently running would this not allow you to restore your programs onto the device after a ROM upgrade? :?:

Almost all programs require the use of registry to store settings. If you don't export and restore the settings, what's the point of backup? Not to mention sometimes your restored program may not work at all unless it is a very simple program. Most of them have to register with system to be functional, i.e. today screen plugins.

http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&message.id=9666&jump=true#M9666
This is information I have been looking for it goes into the sprite back up function of upgrading. I am very interested and think I will give this a go on Summinter's new ROM when it comes out. Does anyone see any downside to this?

Wow, sprite supporting Rom Upgrades is news to me!

spritebackup working thru rom upgrades
has anyone tested this to actually work... anyone have information on what they backed up and then reinstalled backup after rom upgrade and what actually worked and did not?
any info would be great... thanks
-James

Sprite Backup works for a restore after a ROM upgrade
I have used Sprite Backup 5.x to do a restore after a ROM upgrade and everything worked great with the exception of my Messaging settings.
The basic process is/was simple. Run a full backup on your data, including the registry and store to your MiniSD card as and EXE - sprite gives you the option to do this.
Before you do the upgrade, you need to go to the Sprite web site and download a file called "GetUpgradeData2005.exe" and put it on the Storage Card (miniSD)
After the ROM upgrade, run GetUpgradeData2005.exe and it will put a file on your device. I think that it puts it on the device, in main memory, so you need to move it to your Storage Card.
Go to the backup file that you want to restore from. As the backup file is an exe, you do not need to reinstall Sprite before doing this.
In the restore options, there is a checkbox for Device Upgrade. Check this. Then run restore. The restore process will ask you for this file that was created by the GetUpgradeData2005.exe. Select it and then the restore run.
The device will reboot once or twice (cant remember) and walla! You have the new ROM but with all your apps and stuff back.
Some caveats/warnings:
1) Don’t backup your storage card data for this backup/restore
2) After the restore, non of my pop3 and imap email accounts were recreated in Messaging – however, when I tried to recreate the accounts manually, using the same POP name for each account, it told me that the name was already in use. SO clearly, the data for the account was in the registry somewhere, but just did not restore 100%.
Being lazy, I just created the accounts with a different POP3 name and that’s it. I am sure that if I looked I would have found the settings in the registry, deleted them, and then recreated the accounts- but the name was not that important.
It should be noted that every night I downloaded all the mail from these accounts into my desktop Outlook, so that on a day to day basis, there were no messages stored in these accounts on the device, thus I don’t think there was any space taken up by not deleting the accounts from the registry – but I am not sure of this.
On the plus side, all my SMS messages were restored.
Hope this helps

Tonight I've decided to upgrade ROM to a newer version (i-Mate 2.16.9.1 -> O2 2.21.4.101) and I did a system backup with Sprite Backup. When I restored it back to Wizard I god a message that the restoration went successfully, but with some errors.
In log I saw many lines like:
Code:
Warning :Error creating value Default
Warning :Error creating value ThreadingModel
Warning :Error creating value ConnectsToPin
Warning :Error creating value Merit
Should I be "worried" for the system stability? So far nothing strange happened..but I haven't started all the programs installed.

Restore Applications

im going to change the rom on my 8125, and all my apps are installed to my SD Card. If i put my SD card back in the phone after i install the new Rom, will my applications still be there or will the shortcuts be gone?

shortcuts and programs
if you did not make a backup, your programs will not run .
i mean by this that everything you installed on your device will not run.
when a back up made by using sprite back up or spb back up these programs can be restored

ok i got SPB Backup, i installed it, do i just backup my entire device? or do i have to manually go through the windows folder and stuff and select what to backup? if i backup the entire contents, then install a different ROM, and then restore the backup, wouldnt that fook everything up?

SiL3nTKiLL said:
ok i got SPB Backup, i installed it, do i just backup my entire device? or do i have to manually go through the windows folder and stuff and select what to backup? if i backup the entire contents, then install a different ROM, and then restore the backup, wouldnt that fook everything up?
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Sprite Backup is the only application that can restore everything after a ROM upgrade, you need to run an Upgrade Util on the old ROM first to capture the .sbu file which is required to restore to the new ROM

what app can i use to get the SBU file?
i have SPB Backup installed, do i just do the entire backup? wouldnt the registries affect the new rom when i restore?

warning: SPB backup can only restore to the exact ROM version you are using now. it won't restore to other ROMs...

MrMiguel said:
Sprite Backup is the only application that can restore everything after a ROM upgrade, you need to run an Upgrade Util on the old ROM first to capture the .sbu file which is required to restore to the new ROM
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Can you tell me where is the upgrade util? I always re-install everything, which also scares me not to make many ROM upgrades.
thanks

cellneuron said:
Can you tell me where is the upgrade util? I always re-install everything, which also scares me not to make many ROM upgrades.
thanks
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Read the Backup Bible, it explains everything: http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1270&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

cellneuron said:
Can you tell me where is the upgrade util? I always re-install everything, which also scares me not to make many ROM upgrades.
thanks
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Read this before you do anything:
https://spritesoftware.crmdesk.com/...earch=Search&area=0&criteria=0&sort=0&start=0
Its a step by step guide to restore after upgrading a WM5 PPC. It has a download link for the upgrade util

HowTo restore from sprite after ROM upgrade.

Originally Posted by chrisakker
Dear all,
Can anyone help me how i should use a backup-program like Sprite after I install a new Rom on my HTC diamond?
Before installing ROM 1.93, I made a backup using sprite, but to what level do i need to restore? (only personal data? level 1/2/3? tick restore databases?).
After my new ROM, I would like to function again:
- restore old software on my htc
- restore favorite contacts with their pics
- restore sms (text messages)
- restore email client
I also read something about PIM, it also has something to do with backing up ii understood, but i can't open the file.
Thnx in advance,
Chris
I am having problem with the same thing(almost)
I have upgraded from 1.37 to 1.93, but when i restore from sprite the boot screen still says 1.93.00.00 but in unit info it says 1.37, i figure i take backup of some system files.. All programs, email accounts, sms, contacts are intact.
Nice if someone can make a guide of what to backup in sprite and how to restore all personal settings, accounts and programs without this problem...
?

I have done this sucessfully.
First do a FULL backup.
Second set your ROM Upgrade restore preferences at Level 1 including all databases.
Third, restore in this manner and all files/apps/prefs will be preserved.
Only works if you are restoring to the same physical diamond, if not then use restore level 2.

darthbane2k said:
I have done this sucessfully.
First do a FULL backup.
Second set your ROM Upgrade restore preferences at Level 1 including all databases.
Third, restore in this manner and all files/apps/prefs will be preserved.
Only works if you are restoring to the same physical diamond, if not then use restore level 2.
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Yeah... I did a full backup, but when i now enter the device info from the menu it says rom version 1.37, though during boot it says 1.93.. When i do a hard reset it goes back to 1.93 in the device info menu as well. Tried restoring with level one, with db and without.. everything expept the rom version seems fine though..

Restoring from Sprite after 6.1 Upgrade

I have a full backup of my 6.0 machine and can't restore it after the wonderful 6.1 upgrade. I'm on an exchange server so emails and contacts are no big deal but I would like to restore my text messages. Can I move these over individually without doing a full restore? I can move the "messaging" folder from the sprite explorer but how do I get them on the tilt? Thanks in advance.

would like to know as well!

Can't be done. Sprite Backup cannot be used to restore from ROM to ROM.
You will need to flash back to WM6, restore your Sprite backup, and then use a program called PIM Backup to archive your text messages.
After flashing WM 6.1 again, run PIM Backup again and restore your text messages.

I thought the latest versions of Sprite and SPB backup could do some ROM to ROM stuff.
Although I personally wouldn't recomment it. UC + ProvXML + my xcopyce app + ActiveSync does everything I need.
Dave

DaveShaw said:
I thought the latest versions of Sprite and SPB backup could do some ROM to ROM stuff.
Although I personally wouldn't recomment it. UC + ProvXML + my xcopyce app + ActiveSync does everything I need.
Dave
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They can, but just as you said, it's not recommended. With all the unofficial builds that the ROMs here tend to be based on, it's just not wise to carry any programs over from flash to flash.

A friend of mine upgraded and used sprite (even though I told him not too), is there any way to pull JUST the contacts from the Sprite file??

You can do it. I went from WM6 to WM6.1 and used a backup I did from 6 to restore everything to 6.1.
The only tip I can give you is this.
Do not restore anything in the file system data unless its non application stuff you put there, pictures, skins, browser favourites etc.
My phone works fine I have all my old contacts, mails and pim entries from my old rom. I just re-installed my apps that were on my phone, not my storage card. Anything that runs when the phone is switched on I always install to the phone. I even restored my start menu and found that most of the games and apps I installed to the memory card run fine, they just sometimes require you to re-enter the registration details the first time you run them after restoring.
You are restoring data not programs so it should be fine.

i disabled sms threading in kaisertweak. tried to do restore using sprite again and all my sms messages show up but now i have a text message saying "account locked. company policy prohibits use of text messaging on this device. you ocannot send or recieve text messags."
also when the restore was done i got an error about sddeamon.exe

Thanks funem but when how do you specify which files to restore? When I start it makes sure I want to restore "everything." Also, I have the 10-day trial of the newest sprite but when i try and restore it says the program must be authorized to run. I emailed tech support because the trial says that it should be fully functional throughout the trial period. although its only a $10 upgrade, a free trial run just to get my text's back was all I was looking for.

When you start a restore it should take you to a tree view of the data backed up with checkboxes next to each available branch, just remove the ticks from the boxes where you dont want to restore data.

Can anyone tell me a List of things we need to install
after we have windows 6.1 on the Tilt
Like:
Adv config
Camera cab
KaiserTweak cab
do we still need all these or ........

Using Sprite Backup 1st time:
Here's another "Can anyone tell me?" question:
How long should it take Sprite Backup to run on it's first time?
I went to the program, clicked Backup, it did a reset and came up to the
Windows
Mobile
Version 6.1
screen and has been there for a long time.
How long does it take? Is it hung, or is it working?
Thanks!
EDIT:
I waited a long time, then did a soft reset and it came back and ran properly and reset.
All good, thanks anyway.

How come Sprite backup makes dual copies
of your menu items? After I had restored my Tilt using Sprite and I went to my Menu settings after it was complete..I had duplicate items....and I couldn't uncheck anything?? Calendar, Messages, WMP, ...etc ..etc..

babyface215 said:
of your menu items? After I had restored my Tilt using Sprite and I went to my Menu settings after it was complete..I had duplicate items....and I couldn't uncheck anything?? Calendar, Messages, WMP, ...etc ..etc..
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I have this same problem. can anyone please explain why? and what can i do to fix it without re installing everything.
thanks

[Q] Changing ROM's, TiBackup procedure

Hello,
I've been running Perception 10.1 for quite a while now. There's really nothing wrong with it, I guess I'm just bored. I'm thinking about putting CM7 on my phone.
Everytime I've changed ROMs in the past I've tried to do a NAND backup with Rom Manager and everytime I install the new ROM on there and then I do a NAND restore, none of the apps come over with it and I usually have problems and crashes. So, to me, CWM is basically worthless. I have made tons of backups and not one single one of them restored without errors and crashes. Worst program ever.
So, now I have bought the Pro version of Titanium Backup. I'd like to do a full backup so that way when I finish the flashing process to get my new ROM on there, I can just use that to restore all my apps and settings. I'd hate to have to go and download all my apps all over again, I have over 100 on there now.
What type of backup should I do with Titanium Backup so that migrating to a new ROM and restoring is as seamless as possible?
Thanks!

derek4484 said:
Hello,
I've been running Perception 10.1 for quite a while now. There's really nothing wrong with it, I guess I'm just bored. I'm thinking about putting CM7 on my phone.
Everytime I've changed ROMs in the past I've tried to do a NAND backup with Rom Manager and everytime I install the new ROM on there and then I do a NAND restore, none of the apps come over with it and I usually have problems and crashes. So, to me, CWM is basically worthless. I have made tons of backups and not one single one of them restored without errors and crashes. Worst program ever.
So, now I have bought the Pro version of Titanium Backup. I'd like to do a full backup so that way when I finish the flashing process to get my new ROM on there, I can just use that to restore all my apps and settings. I'd hate to have to go and download all my apps all over again, I have over 100 on there now.
What type of backup should I do with Titanium Backup so that migrating to a new ROM and restoring is as seamless as possible?
Thanks!
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Go on Backup & restore, open the menu and select batch.
Run: Backup all user apps + system data.
Once you restore although, don't restore system data as it will mess up with your new ROM.

BWolf56 said:
Go on Backup & restore, open the menu and select batch.
Run: Backup all user apps + system data.
Once you restore although, don't restore system data as it will mess up with your new ROM.
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Ok, thanks. Let me ask you a question then... You say to run the batch backup all user apps + system data, but only run the restore user apps. Why? Is there a difference between doing it your way, and just running the batch backup user apps, then doing the batch restore user apps? What is the purpose of backing up system data, if its not going to be restored? Just curious why to backup the system data if not restoring it. I think I have read somewhere else to not restore the system data on the new ROM cause it'll cheese it up.
Titanium Backup seems like a powerful program, although I havent been able to find any user manual or really anywhere that details what all the options do.

if going between different roms dont do all system data only the green ones and user apps. not all system data is compatible between different frameworks and options
create a label for "my sys data" and assign the green ones to it.
make sure to have tibu backup its settings as well in the settings menu.

derek4484 said:
Ok, thanks. Let me ask you a question then... You say to run the batch backup all user apps + system data, but only run the restore user apps. Why? Is there a difference between doing it your way, and just running the batch backup user apps, then doing the batch restore user apps? What is the purpose of backing up system data, if its not going to be restored? Just curious why to backup the system data if not restoring it. I think I have read somewhere else to not restore the system data on the new ROM cause it'll cheese it up.
Titanium Backup seems like a powerful program, although I havent been able to find any user manual or really anywhere that details what all the options do.
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Simply cause you want a full backup if u ever wanna go back to a certain ROM. Also, doing a full backup is safer, the program won't miss anything and when you restore your apps, you can restore your apps's data (which I personnaly love).
You don't have to backup your system data, I simply suggest it as you never know if you'll change your mind

I think backing up system data is just a precaution in case something goes wrong.

Trusselo said:
if going between different roms dont do all system data only the green ones and user apps.
create a label for "my sys data" and assign the green ones to it.
make sure to have tibu backup its settings as well in the settings menu.
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Trusselo, you're being too helpful lol - everywhere I try to help some1, you're right there doing so too
Love to see ppl with experience still helping the newbie with patience

Just back up user apps and data (also dialer storage for texts).
I never make full backups of my rom. Just Tibu backups for apps.

qwertyaas said:
Just back up user apps and data (also dialer storage for texts).
I never make full backups of my rom. Just Tibu backups for apps.
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@ OP - I believe it's up to you. Full backup is safer if something goes wrong but not necessary as mentionned by others. I do it cause I can
The only thing to remember, if that's what you decide to do, is to not restore system data if you flash a different ROM.

Ok, I got it. Thanks to you all.

For future reference, a NAND backup in CWM is not worthless, you are just using it wrong.
It is not meant to restore apps/data it is a complete image of your phone as it was when you took the backup. it is designed so that you can jump between roms easily by just restoring nandroids of your setups. it is not and dont think it was ever designed to 'restore apps' but restore the entire system. your problems before with it were likely because you were trying to go between 2.1 and 2.2 roms? a nandroid does not backup the kernel or modem so it makes it a little difficult to bounce between 2.1/2.2 etc there are ways, but its just easier to start fresh and restore a Titanium backup batch job

regarding Tibu and nandroid.
Full system / everything backup is good for backing up your system AS IS if you are going to mess around with what you have or try a rom for a few hours but want to go back to exactly how it was.
thats why the green ones are green in tibu its the bare minimum that will work across all roms.
@Bwolf56 - ya im on here alot. just finishing coming off comp for nearly taking my thumb right off.
i try to help. but get into crap often... still try to help regardless!

Something I've learned from flashing you can NEVER have too many backups.
Sent from a place my wife doesn't know about (yet)