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Greetings you fine folk
Currently I have a HTC Wizard 200
I was wondering what xda devices, people are looking foward to this year, Iam due an upgrade soon, so thought i'd pose the question to give me some ideas any coments greatly appreciated cheers.
You should check out www.pdadb.net they have a very comprehensives list of upcoming devices and not just by HTC.
Me, I have my eye on the HTC Nike because it has everything + FM radio.
I am also actually long overdue for an upgrade (contract ended in January but I didn't bother to ask for a new handset as I hoped for a better device like the XDA Zinc as I'm on O2). But after much thought and delay, the Zinc got canned, the Trion is still a ghost and I scoured ebay for a replacement fascia for my Mini S (paid the seller but am not sure if it's on the way yet).
Now though, after a little more searching and the fact that I might go abroad for a while (don't really fancy paying for the contract unless the phone is well worth it), I am getting pretty damn tempted to get an Orange M3100 off eBay - one for the better camera (apparently with auto focus) and for a grand total of around 100 pounds and not to mention 3G and a supposedly more responsive unit.
However, I would love a few things like GPS (present in the Kaiser but this is not a deal breaker for me) and an FM Radio(pretty handy for me) and more importantly an SDHC (Mini/micro/etc) which I am unsure any up and coming devices will have. Also with the Marvel XScale (Intel sold it to them) chips hitting scary speeds of 600MHz (there is an 800MHz version and also supposedly a 1GHz version), I'm just not sure if I should put the money towards a better phone or something else. Also from what I can see, the only PDA/Phone devices catching my eyes right now are the following:
HTC S730 but I do use the touch screen a fair bit so I'll have to test it first
HTC P4550 but I don't really see the difference between this an the Hermes as the increased ROM capacity, the keyboard mech, the additional GPS and the slightly improved camera and not to mention official WM6 doesn't truly warrant the high markup this thing will get.
Truthfully I am not too keen on just upgrading blindly but the improved camera and 3G and not to mention the number of times I almost hit the bid button eBay today is driving me nuts.
There have been many many complaints about the drivers and software for the HTC Kaiser. In particular the bluetooth problems are VERY widespread and about 90% of bluetooth devices work poorly or not at all. The only way to fix this problem is to force HTC in the corner and put pressure on them to release a new ROM.
If you are experiencing problems PLEASE CALL 866-449-8358 for USA
or visit http://www.htc.com/support/care_hotline.htm to find the call center near you. We need to surge their call volume to the point where they escalate these issues to emergency status. The more people that call the quicker a fix will be released.
Also you can call ATT tech support in USA at 1-800-331-0500 and complain to them also. If ATT puts pressure on HTC by limiting sales due to high support costs, HTC will have a huge loss in the USA market.
When you are speaking to a representative ask them the volume of calls they have recieved for your particular issue and post that number here to help intice more people to call.
We have to take matters into our own hands otherwise there will not be fixes for this phone, and HTC will just concentrate on fixing these problems on their new phones currently in development.
I hope the admin for this makes this thread Sticky, because I know for a fact that HTC checks this forum to gauge user satisfaction.
I am not pissed off. Given the amount of features supported, there are bound to be some issues. How is this any different than the new gen of iPods not working with some older accessories? A petition has been started to adddress video drivers. I think this is a good practical step towards a resolution.
In particular, if looking at AT&T, they sell and support tens of different models of handsets, so why would they get all up in arms about a handful of Tilt owners calling.
As far as BT goes, I have not yet tried anything but some BT stereo headsets (3 different models) and they have all worked fine, as does my BT link in my Acura. At the cost of BT headsets these days, I would just find one that works well and buy it.
And in support of HTC, they have produced quite a few additional apps that work quite well such as the home screen, audio manager, photo viewer, comm manager, touch flo (albeit it works much better on the Elf for which is was meant), etc. In many cases, the software is finger friendly and works well.
I think the Tilt is the best device HTC's ever released to date. Sure it's got problems, but I trust HTC to iron them out.
Having accelerated graphics drivers would rock.
I agree, too many easily solved issues with this phone. HTC needs to support this device.
I'm not pissed off at HTC, I'm slightly disgruntled about the video acceleration but I've signed the petition and I have faith that they'll deal with it.
If you look at windows mobile devices in general HTC are the top dog (IMHO), the bigger problem than a couple of little niggling driver issues on a fairly new product is I would say Windows Mobile itself. I wish I knew what was going through their head when they designed it as its usable but nothing special. All credit to HTC for their apps, and more so to some of the fantastic people on here who have created wonderfully usable applications in their free time which improve so much on what MS pay people to do.
All that said I do hope the video issues will be dealt with before too long!
Not really.
I think HTC is one of the best. Every new generation hardware has some issues. I'm sure they are going to release updates to fix the problems. Starting a petition to jump start that process is a good idea.
Honestly...HTC software quality is way better compared to devices from other manufactuers like E-Ten (ugh...), Asus, Gigabyte....even Toshiba!
Nope. HTC seems to be getting better and better. Unless you're using a branded model, I don't know what the carrier did to it.
I'd like to see the video part taken care of, but overall it hasn't been that bad.
Well, aside from the video issue, I'm kinda surprised that few people are complaining about the speaker quality. It definitely needs a working equalizer. Also there are many issues if you try to talk to someone through the speaker in a non-silent place (like driving your car).
Bluetooth has always been touch and go ever since the broadcom stack was replaced with the MS one......
I think it would be a lot more useful if people worked out who was responsible for what...
MS make the OS - HTC tweak it to match their devices and add their own developed apps.
How many people with non-HTC branded Kaisers have the HTC homescreen on their device?
If I was HTC I would actually ignore a thread called "Are you pissed off with HTC" and would go and look for one that was balanced and reasonable in its criticisms.
Wow. Sure are a bunch of enabling fanboys around here. If you bought a BMW because they advertised the power of their engine and they didn't mention that it only came with a 2-speed transmission, would you call that a "niggling" problem too? The reason HTC continues to ignore blatant quality issues and opt for the cheapest, crappiest solutions is because people keep buying anyway, saying rediculous things like, "Well, it's not THAT bad," or "It's a phone first, then a camera." For $700, a PPC shouldn't be "not THAT bad" it should be a quality piece of machinery. Instead, HTC continues to cut corners to increase their profit margins, and 80% of these posts are people thanking them for it. If you're that free with your money (and your standards), please, I'll be happy to take it off your hands too.
i have no faith whatsoever in capitalism - they need to be pressured into doing something otherwise they will just ignore these problems - ive seen it happen time and time again in the past - you must stand for what you believe in
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Wow. Sure are a bunch of enabling fanboys around here. If you bought a BMW because they advertised the power of their engine and they didn't mention that it only came with a 2-speed transmission, would you call that a "niggling" problem too? The reason HTC continues to ignore blatant quality issues and opt for the cheapest, crappiest solutions is because people keep buying anyway, saying rediculous things like, "Well, it's not THAT bad," or "It's a phone first, then a camera." For $700, a PPC shouldn't be "not THAT bad" it should be a quality piece of machinery. Instead, HTC continues to cut corners to increase their profit margins, and 80% of these posts are people thanking them for it. If you're that free with your money (and your standards), please, I'll be happy to take it off your hands too.
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I totally agree !!! At this so high price, we could expect much much more from this device, also when you know that this high price is due to the fact that a lot of hardware is inside, but HTC allows us to only use a small portion of it !
I feel like buying a big house, but restricted to live in only one small room ...
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I hope the admin for this makes this thread Sticky, because I know for a fact that HTC checks this forum to gauge user satisfaction.
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There is already a thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1703056 ) with VERY similar contents so I'm unsure about making this thread another sticky (there have been SEVERAL similar threads - for example, the D3D one - ; then, we would need to make all of them sticky). However, I've linked to this thread from there and, if you REALLY want, you could also ask the thread starter there to link to your thread too.
I'll alos keep an eye on this thread and if it receives a lot of answers / messages, I reconsider making it sticky.
HTC doesn't always release drivers with devices. One of the other members around here was saying it took several months to get a certain driver out the door after they had release some other device.
I think HTC will get us a fix for video drivers, but they're largely at the mercy of Qualcomm, who seems to be having problems finding people to create drivers for them (as is evidenced by recent job postings from them).
I would love the updated video drivers.
But one of my biggest annoyances is the keyboard's inability to properly transmit all the letters I type when I am typing fast. Palm sucks, but I will admit my Treo 650 had the best keyboard/keyboard software combo of any mobile device I've ever used. The error correction was ingenious, and it could take input as fast as I could give it.
Just as extra insight:
All (Y)our posts end up consilidated by reports at HTC's HQ here in Taiwan.
They are extremely busy grasping big chunks of the WM6 PDA market (10 million pieces objecive for 2008) and competing with CHINA.
BENEFIT is the main driver, and, sorry to say, they did not show any pro-active attitude in solving issues or complains.
I could put a copy of some emails between them and me here, though I will not let them "loose face". (loosing face is more shamefull than loosing business, do not forget this)
My BT Headset works Perfect. BT isn't perfect @all, so you can't complain about BT stuff to HTC... HTC Users WM6, and some Components and stuff, I'm sure are based on the OS (else the OS would make no sence). So blaim HTC for the Bluetooth Chaos is wrong and kiddy style. I've always expirienced problems with BT... so why should HTC be the one who fix the whole BT problem.
I'm very hapy with me original HTC Tytn II.
My HTC TyTN II (Kaiser) works 100% reliably with my bluetooth car kit and my bluetooth home phone adapter, my WiFi network at home and at work, syncs with my work PC running XP Pro and my home PC running Vista.
NONE of this was possible with my previous Nokia N70.
If anyone has SW quality problems it's Nokia, IMHO the Kaiser rocks!
ceevee369 said:
I could put a copy of some emails between them and me here, though I will not let them "loose face". (loosing face is more shamefull than loosing business, do not forget this)
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That is exactly what you should do. Why protect HTC - they're in the wrong here and we need to hold the accountable. They need to know that if they won't fix a crippled device, they're going to lose face over it.
No. I am not pissed off.
I'm currently using Hermes (8525) and thinking about getting Kaiser. If you have had Hermes before I'd like to hear your word of wisdom from whomever have had both devices for practical usage. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury to keep both.
What I love about the Hermes that's not found in Kaiser are flash light, IrDa, and comm manager button. On the other hand Hermes is missing GPS, bigger memory, the "possibility" of having hardware accelerated graphics, supposedly better camera, tilting hinges, and in my particular case front camera (I'm using 8525 and there's no _practical_ solution to put the front camera in and if I were to get Kaiser it better be NOT AT&T tilt that has no front camera as well).
I'm afraid I'll be missing Hermes exclusive features if I switch to Kaiser, even though I don't use those features too often. It is however very tempting especially the built in GPS feature (yes I have followed the hidden GPS thread and struck down by the bad news that we can't practically revive the chip in Hermes).
A word of advice or two from you guys would be very appreciated.
PS: I posted this in Hermes forum a while ago and I'm also interested to hear Kaiser owners' opinion about this too.
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I'm currently using Hermes (8525) and thinking about getting Kaiser. If you have had Hermes before I'd like to hear your word of wisdom from whomever have had both devices for practical usage. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury to keep both.
What I love about the Hermes that's not found in Kaiser are flash light, IrDa, and comm manager button. On the other hand Hermes is missing GPS, bigger memory, the "possibility" of having hardware accelerated graphics, supposedly better camera, tilting hinges, and in my particular case front camera (I'm using 8525 and there's no _practical_ solution to put the front camera in and if I were to get Kaiser it better be NOT AT&T tilt that has no front camera as well).
I'm afraid I'll be missing Hermes exclusive features if I switch to Kaiser, even though I don't use those features too often. It is however very tempting especially the built in GPS feature (yes I have followed the hidden GPS thread and struck down by the bad news that we can't practically revive the chip in Hermes).
A word of advice or two from you guys would be very appreciated.
PS: I posted this in Hermes forum a while ago and I'm also interested to hear Kaiser owners' opinion about this too.
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This is kind of like going onto the Corvette Club of America forum and saying " I'm thinking of trading my Chevy Malibu for a Corvette, what do you think?" My Tilt is Great. I personally have never experience any of the quirks others have complained about. If you like the new features and upgrade possibilites better. Then do it.
Out of everything that I read, I decided that it was NOT worth the upgrade. Then my Hermes started acting up BADLY with white screens and buttons that stopped working. So I reluctantly upgraded sooner than I intended.
I have loved my Kaiser. The 400mhz vs 400mhz CPU doesnt explain much why my Kaiser is so much faster than my Hermes. And I love the GPS .... and the battery life is better.
Also I never could find a radio where I could leave on 3G inside my condo and not drop calls. I tried and tried and tried. I leave 3G on my Kaiser with NO dropped calls even inside exactly where my Hermes would drop calls - and the 3G is not sucking the battery like on the Hermes.
I was the same way. I think it depends on the price that you will have to pay. I was able to get the Kaiser (Tilt) when it first came it on AT&T and I just couldn't pass it up. Now having had it for over a year, and knowing the differences, I would have paid more if I had to. I know that I may have been reluctant to pay more at the time, but it's one of those things where, "Now looking back, I would do it all over again" (but with more money ) if that makes any sense...
I've said this before elsewhere, but here goes again...
I broke my Hermes. If I had not broken it, I would not have upgraded to the Kaiser.
Now, I have a Kaiser and I don't consider it to be vastly better than the Hermes. Perhaps it was the way I use my phone that makes this the case, or perhaps it is that the O2 ROM was the limiting factor. Either way, I don't think it would tempt me to upgrade or renew my contract, so will be onto a rolling 1-month contract until a more exciting handset (am thinking Raphael) turns up.
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This is kind of like going onto the Corvette Club of America forum and saying " I'm thinking of trading my Chevy Malibu for a Corvette, what do you think?" My Tilt is Great. I personally have never experience any of the quirks others have complained about. If you like the new features and upgrade possibilites better. Then do it.
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malibu vs vette is too much of a stretch and you didn't give perspective on both sides as to comparing one to the other.
to answer cyberblue's question:
I have used hermes before though never owned one. to me built in gps is a must and i chose tilt solely because of that. if i were willing to tote a bluetooth gps device, i wouldn't have bothered getting a tilt.
if you can wait a little longer, see if the new upcoming htc devices has all that you like. mind you that infra red is probably not going to be present in newer devices.
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malibu vs vette is too much of a stretch and you didn't give perspective on both sides as to comparing one to the other.
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Seriously ?
I agree with KVD, no offence, but it really isnt much like what you said.
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I agree with KVD, no offence, but it really isnt much like what you said.
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You both totally missed my point, I was not comparing cars. What my point was, was that much like the Corvette Club of America, everyone there has one, everyone is an enthusiast or they would be part of the club and you probably will not get an unbiased opinion if that is what he was looking for?
If he was interested in unbiased reviews he should check the review sites
Again seriously?
Ok I am fast moving towards selling my diamond and buying one of those giant brick phones from the 80's seriously....
Ok the killers for me are battery life, poor reception, its laggy and for some reason it hangs up when I try to answer a call too often.
So I'm sure others are thinking the same thing, what are the alternatives everyone is looking at??
The 3g iphone might be an option for me, I know there is not as much software for them but I made the pc -> mac change a while ago and never looked back. Is there anything else worth concidering with 3G and GPS??
It really depends on what is important to you.. does it need to be small? does the OS matter? Does it have to be a 'smart' phone?
You can start by looking here: http://pdadb.net/
You can filter on OS, screen size (vga, qvga) etc
Personally i havnt found anything of similar size and spec. Only the iphone comes close but apple have really locked it down. I can see software being high priced
Also it'll cost a bomb for the tariff - you can't walk into a store and buy it without signing up on the spot. So even if an 'unlock' comes out you're stuck. Unless you buy a prepay one - price not confirmed yet but probably 400 quid on O2.
If the look of the 3g iphone appeals then check out the Samsung i900 Omnia. Be aware though, it is brand new, like the diamond, and like the diamond, will be buggy.
To be honest, if you want a phone that works, don't buy brand new just released models.
How about HTC Touch Pro?
I just sold a 16gb iPhone to change to a Touch Diamond (which should arrive tomorrow). The iPhone is a great piece of kit - but unfortunately Apple made too much effort making it a cool media device, and not enough time making it a phone.
No MMS, Poor SMS features (not able to delete a single text, no idea of text length etc), No Video Recording etc.
I originally sold it to buy a 3G iPhone - but then I found out its exactly the same software - except with GPS and 3G.
Samsung Omnia (SGH-i900) is an alternative. Coming very soon. But still questions re: which 3G bands it will support (but we already know the Diamond is only dual band 3G, so it likely won't be any worse).
toshiba g910
Xperia X1, no doubt¡. I wont buy Diamond because of the lack of KB and the comments here. Then I was going to buy HTC Touch Pro and finally....I fell in love with Xperia X1.....
The Xperia doesn't have Satellite GPS, only Data GPS (A-GPS) -> No Tomtom etc, only expensive Google Maps navigation.
The Samsung i900 seems to be an alternative, but seems to have a weaker backlight of the display in comparison with Diamond or iphone 3G.
PAPPL said:
The Xperia doesn't have Satellite GPS, only Data GPS (A-GPS) -> No Tomtom etc, only expensive Google Maps navigation.
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from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-GPS
"Some A-GPS solutions require an active connection to a cell phone (or other data) network to function, in others[2][3] it simply makes positioning faster and more accurate, but is not required."
i beleive this statement is incorrect. agps is more faster and trys to get your position by downloading data from internet
Just my 2 cents:
Death before getting iphone.
Remember boys, Second best they are!
Samsung Omnia, if you want WM one with good features. Only two things that really bother me about it - Samsung propietary connector and lack of proper hard reset (so if you install something bad that prevents booting of OS, you screwed and will have to visit a service center for re-flash).
If you dont care about WM, consider the new iPhone 3G. Its less feature-packed, however price is better too.
Or just wait for something from E-Ten.
Or for Google Android devices
i'll buy a brick if.......i''ll know that is supported here and it will have a sub-forum here, at xda-dev.!!!!!
now serious i found a little funny an futile to open here, in diamond's forum a thread about "i sold my diamond, what to buy instead".
each rom i flash, each tweak i add i like more and more my diamond.
generally speaking please stop posting completely useless post, and stop responding. each time you respond you "bump" it in the detriment of other post that are dealing with important technical stuff and help ppl in distress here. i know, i just did that but for a good cause...lol
we have more important things to do than considering witch new pda to buy and replace the diamond.
KukurikU said:
i'll buy a brick if.......i''ll know that is supported here and it will have a sub-forum here, at xda-dev.!!!!!
now serious i found a little funny an futile to open here, in diamond's forum a thread about "i sold my diamond, what to buy instead".
each rom i flash, each tweak i add i like more and more my diamond.
generally speaking please stop posting completely useless post, and stop responding. each time you respond you "bump" it in the detriment of other post that are dealing with important technical stuff and help ppl in distress here. i know, i just did that but for a good cause...lol
we have more important things to do than considering witch new pda to buy and replace the diamond.
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No one can describe the sense of coolness you get when you install gsen turn your phone around......... I hear you bradaa, i love tweaking my baby, (something you will never get on another device).
Remember second best they are!
First off, I guess its obvious a lot of the users who browse this board would recommend the X1. My hope is that I can get some honest opinions on whether or not you guys would still invest in a X1 if you didn't have it currently.
I'm in Canada and I'm looking for a phone from my local retailer (in this case Rogers). Since I'm not just buying any unlocked phone, I don't have that many options. Its the X1, HTC Diamond of iPhone. iPhone's functions are great but I just dislike the look very much. The X1 is looking good in both appearance and cost for me.
I'm also a bit intimidated about all the customization for the X1. It's great that there are so many options but I don't know where to start. If someone can point me off in the right direction (in terms of what to install, what are must have ROMs / apps) that would be great. Especially all this WM6.1/6.5/6.5.1 I hear buzzing around.
Any help would be great appreciated.
the x1 is cool and all but its 1 year old now. You can find better phones out there. Are you interested in the updated x2? its the same just bigger screen and an accelerometer. Are you going to be at&t only? If not you should check out the Droid phone for verizon
if you can get it really cheap then go for it or get the tp2 for the bigger screen. both are pretty much one year old tech but will hold their own with the new current phones being offered.
I'm from the igloos up North so the Canadian providers are mainly Rogers and Telus and I'm with Rogers.
Seems to me that we usually get the shortest end of the stick; by the time I can pick a phone up from my local store it seems to be outdated and at the moment it seems to be my only choice. This is my first smart phone so I'm finally getting some data and I don't want to spend a whole lot.
Regardless, the X2 does look pretty awesome and I'm definitely interested. However, I don't know when or if Rogers will offer it. Is there any conformation on information like so? I think the X2 was released in Europe a few weeks ago if my research proves correct.
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First off, I guess its obvious a lot of the users who browse this board would recommend the X1. My hope is that I can get some honest opinions on whether or not you guys would still invest in a X1 if you didn't have it currently.
I'm in Canada and I'm looking for a phone from my local retailer (in this case Rogers). Since I'm not just buying any unlocked phone, I don't have that many options. Its the X1, HTC Diamond of iPhone. iPhone's functions are great but I just dislike the look very much. The X1 is looking good in both appearance and cost for me.
I'm also a bit intimidated about all the customization for the X1. It's great that there are so many options but I don't know where to start. If someone can point me off in the right direction (in terms of what to install, what are must have ROMs / apps) that would be great. Especially all this WM6.1/6.5/6.5.1 I hear buzzing around.
Any help would be great appreciated.
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I love my X1, but it has old software by default. If you are into ROM flashing that isn't a problem, but if you aren't, you'll likely be happier with a Touch Pro 2.
How much are they selling it for? If it is at the same price of the iPhone 3GS, then get the iPhone, sell it as new on ebay and have enough money to buy 2 X1s.
before You'll get one read sticky about cracking. this device have a serious issue with plastic elements of housing cracking and chipping without any real reason. don't let any fool convince You, that it's a problem of only some units. most units are/will be affected. x2 however might be better, as it was built by foxconn, rather than htc.
if you can get new one less than 300$ then go for it
hi im new to all smartphones in general (live in poland and we have third world providers here )
got dilema since my contract is soon to be expired and got proposals for cheap but long contract extension (kinda normal here) phones.
Ill write what i can get :
-omnia
-xperia x1
-htc touch dual
-htc magic
-htc diamond
here is my dilema - x1 or magic
x1 comes with 4 gig sd (magic with nothing)
x1 is kinda older but when i look at hardware of lets say x2 its almost identical hence i hope for updates for x1
for magic speaks android (but new droid phones will have 1gig procesors wich worries me about its updates)
please speak from expirience.
Ill not use internet heavely (costs in orange network are radiculous) more like for IM's besides i can download apps via pc - ill be into flashing roms and stuff since i love to customize my phones.
so please be honest and no i cant afford any other phone since it would mean around 500$ and im poor bastard
cheers
If those are your options the xperia is by far the best! Okay the Omnia might not be a bad option, but I wouldn't consider the rest as in the same category.
EDIT: Magic would actually be a better choice in my opinion than Omnia, but I am still more favorable to WinMo... For now. If you don't have an affinity to Windows Mobile then the Magic might be a good choice. I prefer X1 for high res screen too. Makes for awesome Web browsing.
based on the choices you have, the x1 seems to be the better option. The new roms here make the x1 a much much better phone than out of the box so dont worry about it's initial performance once you get it. I mean after flashing a good rom, it's like having a new fone again...
Also, the x1 seems to be the only one with the keyboard amongst your other choices and for me that's a huge advantage!! I guess i'm just not made for full touch screen usage, i make too many errors typing...the next advantage would be the wvga resolution, awesome for watching movies (of course those formatted for wvga, there's a tool here to format)...
I just got my X1 last week, unlocked for $300 AUD, and after flashing a few roms its easy to find a happy place. I think its a pretty sweet device, and it can still fight it out with the newer phones.
Of the rest I've had a go at the Omnia, magic and also a touch HD, although the touch HD is pretty much the same except with no keyboard etc. I don't really like the Omnia's screen, so I would go for the Magic, the cloud concept seems pretty appealing, and its pretty slick.
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ok so here is essential question :
Do i NEED to unlock x1 to be able to flash it etc?
Coz im long time orange user and dont plant to change it any time soon so its not nessesary for me.
as for android it has an app that blocks gprs and stuff is there simmilar thing for x1?
as for all these choices i only considered magic (for android) and experia for overall keyboard and screen that makes me horny also the camera soft on SE is allways better.
Tbh its like rollercoaster lol 1 day i want x1 more next day want magic lol
besides 1 more important thing is for it to be able to withstand 3 year contract
No you don't need to unlock it from a network to flash it, as far as I know.
I actually think, IMO, Magic has the better still camera, but I've never tried them both in same conditions. Video on X1 is much better though, even more so if you get a X1i. Also camera without a dedicated button (the Magic is missing one) can be a bit irritating.
As for apps, I think you can be covered for anything.
X1 is getting old, so 3 years might be a stretch, how much would you pay for the phone through a plan? Might be better to just buy it outright?
Also, X1 has the 3.5mm jack, and the usb port is in much better position for typing. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) the Magic has a non-mini-b port, and I have loads of those laying around, so more convenient
well you see the thing is i would get it for a 1pln lol (about 1/3 of a usd ) just becose im long withthem and its a long plan. i have no cash at all
with magic it would be the same.
so You see my point its the first time in history lol when they allow me to have PDA like phone and i dont want to get stuck on something that will be tottal crap in 1 year
FYI, the Sony XPeria X1 is only $99 from Rogers on a 3 year term. This is a fantastic price, since it was $299 on a 3 year term last week. I'm thinking of getting the X1 now, especially since I've heard that the Motorola Droid won't be coming to Rogers.
reassor said:
well you see the thing is i would get it for a 1pln lol (about 1/3 of a usd ) just becose im long withthem and its a long plan. i have no cash at all
with magic it would be the same.
so You see my point its the first time in history lol when they allow me to have PDA like phone and i dont want to get stuck on something that will be tottal crap in 1 year
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The X1 is a much higher end looking device, and will at least look good for quite a long time . The Magic on the other hand already looks old. OS wise, Android is ahead of MS in terms of GUI.
With all that being said, if you have a lot of time on your hands to tinke you'll like the X1, it is like a mini computer. The magic imo has less upgrade-ability due to its low ROM size. Eitherway, you'll likely be happy as this is your first smartphone and you have nothing to compare it too.
Lots of good info in this thread. I've almost exclusively used Symbian/S60/UIQ up until this point and have been thinking of getting a nice and relatively cheap WinMo device to get me up to speed in the WinMo world and help me tide over until the X10 hits the scene in 2 months.
There are a couple of <6 month old X1s available around where I live for a shade over US$200. Do you think that's the correct price to pay? Frankly, I'm surprised at the amount of depreciation over the past 12 months. Other phones that used to cost about $800 (TouchHD etc) have held on to their value while the X1's has just plummeted.
Anyways, the X1s that I played with were in pristine condition but I'm concerned about the cracks problem. What do you reckon would be a good approximation for a baseline production date from where the cracks problem was resolved? I tried searching through the sticky thread on the problem but couldn't really find anything specific since most people haven't posted the production dates of their X1s.
Just to tell you, the X10 is an android phone
I'd forget the X1... sure you might get an 09 batch with no case cracking issues but another common problem is that the keyboard gets sticky and soon your space bar becomes very unresponsive.
Better of getting a full touch screen phone.
X1 for me was one big bad purchase and yes I do flash the latest ROMS.