Im not fimiliar with the windows mobile OS would I have to make any software changes for it to support 128 mb of ram so long as i can find one with the same layout just higher bytes per address, and if possible can someone give me the model number for the G4 ram already installed I dont want to void the garentee if I dont have to. The omap 850 supports 128mb ram by 256mb flash but yet again I am not familiar with the layout if some one can scan a board at hires that would be great or any other advice.
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Im not fimiliar with the windows mobile OS would I have to make any software changes for it to support 128 mb of ram so long as i can find one with the same layout just higher bytes per address, and if possible can someone give me the model number for the G4 ram already installed I dont want to void the garentee if I dont have to. The omap 850 supports 128mb ram by 256mb flash but yet again I am not familiar with the layout if some one can scan a board at hires that would be great or any other advice.
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Hmm... I'm a bit confused by what you're actually wanting to know. Are you trying to find out if you can upgrade the RAM on the Wizard's actual board itself?
Sorry, yes I would like to upgrade the ram on the board itself and if anyone has had any luck or even tried to do it.
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Sorry, yes I would like to upgrade the ram on the board itself and if anyone has had any luck or even tried to do it.
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You know, I've not known of anyone to attempt that yet. Unless I'm mistaken, of course. I'm not even sure that it would be possible or where one would even get the correct chip. You never know though.
But, be patient. Someone may come across this with some answers for you.
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Sorry, yes I would like to upgrade the ram on the board itself and if anyone has had any luck or even tried to do it.
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Great idea and good luck, you just might put HTC out of business on this one. Wizard forever.....
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Im not fimiliar with the windows mobile OS would I have to make any software changes for it to support 128 mb of ram so long as i can find one with the same layout just higher bytes per address, and if possible can someone give me the model number for the G4 ram already installed I dont want to void the garentee if I dont have to. The omap 850 supports 128mb ram by 256mb flash but yet again I am not familiar with the layout if some one can scan a board at hires that would be great or any other advice.
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Actually I was thinking about attempting this myself. However it will take some time for me to plan this out. I am currently studying to get a degree in AASCET and one of my projects is to learn mobile repair. I don't believe this will happen until Quarter 3 though since I'm in quarter 1 it will be about 6 months before i'll even attempt this. However my guess is it should be able to work providing you can find compatible memory.
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i have not stayed as up to date with all the advancements on the g1. so im asking about swap and how it works i read how works on like desktop and ect but i did not fully understand it. also tried looking a some threads about again could not really find anything on how it works. i get that its kind of like extra ram but not really. i guess im wondering how its not like ram i understand that its not hardwired and that can create issue is that the only real difference? and why can too much give you strange lags and ect? any reply would be of tremendous help
on that subject please explain swappiness 2. how to check and change swappiness. i understand u can change swappiness with terminal with code: su
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echo xx > proc/sys/vm/swappiness
but how to check the swappiness?
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on that subject please explain swappiness 2. how to check and change swappiness. i understand u can change swappiness with terminal with code: su
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but how to check the swappiness?
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I actually pull the file and look at it.
Code:
su
cp /system/bin/user.conf /sdcard/user.conf
Then once you edit or do what you will now we need to move it back.
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cp /sdcard/user.conf /system/bin/user.conf
Then i use "Text Edit" to look at the file and read the swappiness.
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i have not stayed as up to date with all the advancements on the g1. so im asking about swap and how it works i read how works on like desktop and ect but i did not fully understand it. also tried looking a some threads about again could not really find anything on how it works. i get that its kind of like extra ram but not really. i guess im wondering how its not like ram i understand that its not hardwired and that can create issue is that the only real difference? and why can too much give you strange lags and ect? any reply would be of tremendous help
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The swap is something like Virtual Ram. It helps the G1 run things like Hero or make cupcake faster. Its something that the G1 lacks but most other android devices will have. You'll need to set up your SD card in the following order. Fat32/Ext2-3-4/Linux-Swap. Most ROM's will use the swap automatically so there's nothing extra you need to do.
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The swap is something like Virtual Ram. It helps the G1 run things like Hero or make cupcake faster. Its something that the G1 lacks but most other android devices will have. You'll need to set up your SD card in the following order. Fat32/Ext2-3-4/Linux-Swap. Most ROM's will use the swap automatically so there's nothing extra you need to do.
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ok i get that. and i dont think that any of the new phones will have this until there is larger internal storage. but i could wrong. but my question that remains is why a swap partition of 128 or so seem to create odd lag problems. and most devs say 32 mb is most stable so a little information on this would be nice.
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ok i get that. and i dont think that any of the new phones will have this until there is larger internal storage. but i could wrong. but my question that remains is why a swap partition of 128 or so seem to create odd lag problems. and most devs say 32 mb is most stable so a little information on this would be nice.
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Hmmm I've acutally heard good things about 128. I haven't gone over 100mb for Linux Swap and it's actually pretty smooth... I would stick with that and if you want more speed increase your swappiness And that's the thing when rooting your phone like we're doing. It's a clear example of "Results my Vary" What works for one person may not work for another. I would use a linux-swap that works best for you. Try using 64 or 96mb.. see if that works better for you.
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Hmmm I've acutally heard good things about 128. I haven't gone over 100mb for Linux Swap and it's actually pretty smooth... I would stick with that and if you want more speed increase your swappiness And that's the thing when rooting your phone like we're doing. It's a clear example of "Results my Vary" What works for one person may not work for another. I would use a linux-swap that works best for you. Try using 64 or 96mb.. see if that works better for you.
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i haven't done much experimenting because i have not had a complete understanding of it but i am getting there. and i had to get a replacement g1. im going play with a probably burn out a card or 2. but still i would like to know why too much room in the swap partition can make issues and also i was wondering if the size of the card matters in relation to size of the partitions.
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i haven't done much experimenting because i have not had a complete understanding of it but i am getting there. and i had to get a replacement g1. im going play with a probably burn out a card or 2. but still i would like to know why too much room in the swap partition can make issues and also i was wondering if the size of the card matters in relation to size of the partitions.
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Some of the ROM's just have a hard time. I don't think there's an exact reason. (someone correct me if I'm wrong, I've looked myself) It's weird because some people have great results and others it's just awful.
When it comes to your SD Card It doesn't matter the sizes as long as:
Fat32 Can be the remainder of the card
EXT2/3/4: 1.5GB or less. I've read that any higher and the ROM's freak out
Linux: This can be 128mb or less. Either create a 32/64/96/128 size partition and you should be fine.
do you mind if u can dumb it down for me a lil cuz i have been trying to figure out what the helll swappiness means and i cant find any good explanations. heres what i got so far, correct me if i am wrong. basically, as mentioned, its virtual ram. this virtual ram comes from ur SD card. so when our phones internal ram is not enough, say like on my MT3G, then the ROM, hero in this case, will use the SD memory as RAM. right? ok so whats the point of needing 3 partitions? why is this linux one so freakin important? and what do u mean by swappiness? do u mean just how much mb u are using from every partition?
from what i understand... (which isn't very much)
a swap space is used like ram (like some one said earlier virtual memory) the reason a larger swap space is not as stable in the long run is that once the space starts to fill up more it has more to read through and swap between the swap space and the phone.
swappiness is the rate at which the info is stored in the swap space. its measured in 0 to 100. 0 being the lowest and 100 the highest. the higher the number the more the swap space is used but also the faster the swap space will start to fill up.
i hope my mediocre explanations are not to horribly wrong
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do you mind if u can dumb it down for me a lil cuz i have been trying to figure out what the helll swappiness means and i cant find any good explanations. heres what i got so far, correct me if i am wrong. basically, as mentioned, its virtual ram. this virtual ram comes from ur SD card. so when our phones internal ram is not enough, say like on my MT3G, then the ROM, hero in this case,
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will use the SD memory as RAM. right?
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It'll use it in addition to the internal RAM.
ok so whats the point of needing 3 partitions?
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Fat32: Needed to keep additional files on. Storage, music, pictures, ect.
EXT2-3-4: This is used in conjunction with the internal memory. (The G1 suffers from a lack of internal space. This is the primary reason why I rooted to begin with)
Linux-Swap: This helps improve the G1/MT3G run CupCake/AOSP/Hero a lot smoother. This works as additional RAM for the unit.
why is this linux one so freakin important?
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This helps run ROM's on a phone that it shouldn't be running on. IE the G1 Running Hero
and what do u mean by swappiness?
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Swappiness is the speed that the ROM can access the LinuxSwap Partition
do u mean just how much mb u are using from every partition?
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This one I didn't understand..
this thread has been very helpful to ne thanks to all those who read it and gave me some info i hope it helps others as well. i got a g1 in the mail today (hope its new and not referb) but im try this this weekend and see how works. but im going try look into and understand why the size matters little more. because i dint think anyone knows.
thank you so much nolimit and everyone else for helping me understand this. i really do appreciate it. it all makes sense now!
I am still trying to find right info about this...
Some posts are mentioning bad flash blocks...?
I am wondering if we could somehow overcome this limitation... I am also wondering what is Google going to do with FroYo builds - Linux kernels are bound to grow more and more... and sooner or later they'll hit the 2.3 MB limit, too...
One of the solutions would be to move more parts to external modules, though.
Ivan Dimkovic said:
I am still trying to find right info about this...
Some posts are mentioning bad flash blocks...?
I am wondering if we could somehow overcome this limitation... I am also wondering what is Google going to do with FroYo builds - Linux kernels are bound to grow more and more... and sooner or later they'll hit the 2.3 MB limit, too...
One of the solutions would be to move more parts to external modules, though.
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Bad blocks are the conjecture. It really is a frustrating thing when you're trying to balance functionality and size.
My phone is one of the "lucky" ones. Kind of worrying; would be crappy if my phone can't take the Froyo update or something.
Ivan Dimkovic said:
I am still trying to find right info about this...
Some posts are mentioning bad flash blocks...?
I am wondering if we could somehow overcome this limitation... I am also wondering what is Google going to do with FroYo builds - Linux kernels are bound to grow more and more... and sooner or later they'll hit the 2.3 MB limit, too...
One of the solutions would be to move more parts to external modules, though.
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Yer its the bad blocks in NAND its a harsh fact lol. You can see where tgey are in the recovery logs after applying a new boot.img from zip. If the kernel gets too big (even with modules) Google can remap the mtd partition layout of the device with a nrw SPL. The space is there when needed . Unlike the G1 the N1 has loads of space to play with
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My phone is one of the "lucky" ones. Kind of worrying; would be crappy if my phone can't take the Froyo update or something.
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How do you check the max image size available?
Flash a new image with a different boot.img i.e Desire port over CM dont reboot use the "copy recovery.log to SD" option reboot and open that file from the SD card in notepad or whatever. see if u find any bad blocks under the writing boot section of the log :-D
if u find one u are limeted to small kernels
I'm pretty sure it's because of bad blocks on the partition. I'm not sure if the N1 NAND flash is more susceptible to bad blocks or what.
Hint:
Code:
$ cat /proc/mtd
Covert the mtd2 : /boot size to decimal ... and you will know what you looking for
I was wondering why I couldnt flash the latest EPF21B boot.img, and I checked the recovery.log to find 6 bad MTD blocks that could not be erased.. How disappointing.
Will HTC warranty/repair for bad blocks?
J.L.C. said:
Will HTC warranty/repair for bad blocks?
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/facepalm
10char
JHaste said:
/facepalm
10char
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Why facepalm?
I called them today and they're sending a shipping label for the repair...
*shrug*
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Yep, despite an unlocked bootloader, HTC has repaired my N1 TWICE to address the NAND's bad blocks. Turnaround time, if avoiding the weekend or holidays, was about 3 days. The repairs were free, didn't spend a dime. Nothing but good things to say about HTC's customer service!
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Yep, despite an unlocked bootloader, HTC has repaired my N1 TWICE to address the NAND's bad blocks. Turnaround time, if avoiding the weekend or holidays, was about 3 days. The repairs were free, didn't spend a dime. Nothing but good things to say about HTC's customer service!
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I'm expecting it to go smoothly since my bootloader is still locked
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hi, i am having the issue where i have the bad blocks as well, is there anyway to fix it besides sending it back to HTC? because i bought this phone from USA and now i am in AUS, it's a long time for me to post it back from here to them...
I am on the phone with HTC for resolution on this and they are acting like they have never heard of this problem. Perhaps I don't know the magic phrase to say.
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I am on the phone with HTC for resolution on this and they are acting like they have never heard of this problem. Perhaps I don't know the magic phrase to say.
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They don't really seem to understand what it means....
I just received my phone back, after sending it in to have bad blocks repaired.
It seems as though they replaced the motherboard - I have a new IMEI number.
BUT - after doing a nandroid restore and checking recovery.log - I still have the exact same bad blocks in the exact same partitions, with the exact same addresses....
If it does can someone give me a link to where i can find it?
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If it does can someone give me a link to where i can find it?
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No it does not. This is why we use Compcache or a Swap partition on our sd card.
ronii1123 said:
If it does can someone give me a link to where i can find it?
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No, and to continue to beat a dead f-ing horse:
<edit>Please</edit>Don't post questions in the dev section.
<edit>Please</edit>Do your own research. This has been brought up before and has been explained.
Because the ram hack takes away from 3D, the performance is actually worse off than helped.
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If it does can someone give me a link to where i can find it?
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No it doesn't because most CM followers want cool toys instead of stable phones. I don't play 3d games either, so there's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, but they don't understand that. I'm working on one, but with the job and family, it will be a while. I'll post it once it's stable.
That is no longer used, due to the fact that the new kernel branch isn't compatible with the ram hack at all. A kernel dev would have one avail if it was possible to make one.
You people are all missing the facts in this;
The reason there is no 10 MB hack is NOT because it isn't possible, or even because it is difficult.... it is because ECLAIRE DEPENDS ON 3D much more than previous android versions did. Take away 10 MB from the GPU and it all turns to crap -- whether you 3dgame or not.
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You people are all missing the facts in this;
The reason there is no 10 MB hack is NOT because it isn't possible, or even because it is difficult.... it is because ECLAIRE DEPENDS ON 3D much more than previous android versions did. Take away 10 MB from the GPU and it all turns to crap -- whether you 3dgame or not.
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Oh dang, shoulda known king lbcoder would come in and correct everyone.
Anyway, since we have no 10mb ram hack, we use compcache or a swap partition (at least on G1's) to make up for low memory. But this might not be fact...just what everyone is doing in the G1 Development Forum.
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Oh dang, shoulda known king lbcoder would come in and correct everyone.
Anyway, since we have no 10mb ram hack, we use compcache or a swap partition (at least on G1's) to make up for low memory. But this might not be fact...just what everyone is doing in the G1 Development Forum.
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I suggest not using swap.... it is quite an ugly hack for android -- makes things slow. Let the android memory manager do its job -- it is very good at it.
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I suggest not using swap.... it is quite an ugly hack for android -- makes things slow. Let the android memory manager do its job -- it is very good at it.
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it does a terrible job... why does my homescreen have to reload all the time after using an app? and why doesn't it do that in donut?
yeah it does a HORRRIBLE job haha, dont try it
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it does a terrible job... why does my homescreen have to reload all the time after using an app? and why doesn't it do that in donut?
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yeah it does a HORRRIBLE job haha, dont try it
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If you're using ADW Launcher, try locking home in memory from spare parts. It fixed that issue for me.
nevermind found it.
I know it probably isn`t a very smart question since i didn`t find anything on the subject but is there something like an emulator for the x8. After some time every custom ROM starts crushing lagging and so on. So I would spend my time customizing the Eclair if there was a way to run the newer apps on it....
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I know it probably isn`t a very smart question since i didn`t find anything on the subject but is there something like an emulator for the x8. After some time every custom ROM starts crushing lagging and so on. So I would spend my time customizing the Eclair if there was a way to run the newer apps on it....
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erm i think the answer is NO
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erm i think the answer is NO
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Figures... Well hope dies last thats why I decided to ask . But anyway I don`t think I`m ever getting a sony again How can they not release at least a 2.2-2.3 stock software, after it`s been proven it can run it like a boss.
Thanks for the answer.
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Figures... Well hope dies last thats why I decided to ask . But anyway I don`t think I`m ever getting a sony again How can they not release at least a 2.2-2.3 stock software, after it`s been proven it can run it like a boss.
Thanks for the answer.
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It can run custom gingerbread roms... Have u tried SemcDebrandEngine? Its half of a Sony Gingerbread and there are problems... Mainly beacuse of low RAM (185 MB)... And beacuse of low ram we dont get official update :/
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It can run custom gingerbread roms... Have u tried SemcDebrandEngine? Its half of a Sony Gingerbread and there are problems... Mainly beacuse of low RAM (185 MB)... And beacuse of low ram we dont get official update :/
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I have a theory actually , want to share it with u.
As u know synapyic is capable of identifying real dual touch but it is limited with firmware...
Maybe we have 512 MB Ram but sony has limited it to 256 due to marketing strategies...
Is it important how did i send this?
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I have a theory actually , want to share it with u.
As u know synapyic is capable of identifying real dual touch but it is limited with firmware...
Maybe we have 512 MB Ram but sony has limited it to 256 due to marketing strategies...
Is it important how did i send this?
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and maybe Barack Obama is white but he painted himself so he got more votes in election
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and maybe Barack Obama is white but he painted himself so he got more votes in election
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No
That's not right
Obama didn't paint himself...he had a surgery
Is it important how did i send this?
Even eclair gets laggy after some time.just wipe cache and useless apps
Sent from my E15i using xda app-developers app
So bad that they don`t support their own product because they aren`t selling it anymore, because its obvious that even with this hardware (real or not) it can run something newer if they customize it the right way....
So,from what i understand there are models in the East that have 6gb of ram and then the rest of us have 4gb variants. Now what im curious about is this,are they exactly the same internally excepting for the ram difference or are there other differences? If they are exactly the same,is there not a way to add the extra 2gb of ram to a 4gb ram device?
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So,from what i understand there are models in the East that have 6gb of ram and then the rest of us have 4gb variants. Now what im curious about is this,are they exactly the same internally excepting for the ram difference or are there other differences? If they are exactly the same,is there not a way to add the extra 2gb of ram to a 4gb ram device?
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No, you can't add new RAM to a smartphone
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No, you can't add new RAM to a smartphone
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@marcogiannetta,could you please explain why not? If the only difference between the two variants is only the extra ram. Why is it not possible to change it?
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@marcogiannetta,could you please explain why not? If the only difference between the two variants is only the extra ram. Why is it not possible to change it?
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Because the RAM is solded on the motherboard, is not a modular component like on a PC.
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Because the RAM is solded on the motherboard, is not a modular component like on a PC.
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Thank you,but could one not replace said soldering with the 6gb and solder that onto the board? Sorry,but im just trying to figure out if it isnt possible at all. I know one could replace the whole motherboard,but to do that,you could just as well have bought a phone with the 6gb ram already in it.
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Thank you,but could one not replace said soldering with the 6gb and solder that onto the board? Sorry,but im just trying to figure out if it isnt possible at all. I know one could replace the whole motherboard,but to do that,you could just as well have bought a phone with the 6gb ram already in it.
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Tooooo little components.
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Thank you,but could one not replace said soldering with the 6gb and solder that onto the board? Sorry,but im just trying to figure out if it isnt possible at all. I know one could replace the whole motherboard,but to do that,you could just as well have bought a phone with the 6gb ram already in it.
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Smartphones are not meant to replace RAM, CPU, etc..
You tried google to find your answers ? You ask and open alot of threads here and btw see pm
Pandemic said:
You tried google to find your answers ? You ask and open alot of threads here and btw see pm
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Isnt the whole point of XDA to ask questions and share developement etc of Android devices @Pandemic? I would much rather gather my info here where there are clever people like the Devs to explain things to you,instead of using Google. I did see the pm and have replied,thanks.