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SPV camera on XDA ?

Hi all !
I have recently upgraded from an SPV to the XDA.
As many of you will know, both are made by HTC, and share many accessories (charger, USB cables, headphones etc).
The connector on the bottom is the same for both items. I kept the camera from my SPV and it connects fantasticly to the bottom of my XDA (although the lens faces the other way round thanks to the connector being the other way round) :wink: .
Is there anyway anybody can get this camera to work with the XDA? I would have thought the XDA would be more than capable of using it as its far more powerful than an SPV and uses a far better version of the windows mobile operating systems?...
I'd rather use this camer than going for one of the SD cameras mentioned (mainly because I already have it, and also so I don't have to keep taking out my SD card just to use it - oh and on the SPV because its not an SD camera you can of course take a photo and save it on to a large SD card rather than the small internal memory..)
any ideas plz?!
cheers !

try www.iastyle.com they make most of the ppc cams.
look under OEM, for a driver or somthin

or do a search because the subject have been up more then once
forget the result

Cheers people.
There has been a few subjects created on this before but it looks like although everybody realises the SPV camera physically connects to the XDAs' interface (not the SD slot, the charger/usb cable connect slot), there is no driver available for it. :?
IA style only seem to make photo software and one compact flash camera.
I'd be really interested to see if anybody has made a driver for the camera for PPC 2002. The pin outs on the connection must be the same as I can charge my SPV and XDA with the same charger and I can also sync data with a USB cable and that works with both the SPV and XDA.
Can any body else help!? :?:
cheers

shakers24 said:
Hi all !
I have recently upgraded from an SPV to the XDA.
As many of you will know, both are made by HTC, and share many accessories (charger, USB cables, headphones etc).
The connector on the bottom is the same for both items. I kept the camera from my SPV and it connects fantasticly to the bottom of my XDA (although the lens faces the other way round thanks to the connector being the other way round) :wink: .
Is there anyway anybody can get this camera to work with the XDA? I would have thought the XDA would be more than capable of using it as its far more powerful than an SPV and uses a far better version of the windows mobile operating systems?...
I'd rather use this camer than going for one of the SD cameras mentioned (mainly because I already have it, and also so I don't have to keep taking out my SD card just to use it - oh and on the SPV because its not an SD camera you can of course take a photo and save it on to a large SD card rather than the small internal memory..)
any ideas plz?!
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cheers !
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thanks!
Unfortunatly that camera plugs into the SD slot which isn't want I want as you cant then save the images on the SD card which is much bigger than the phones memory. (plus I already have the SPV camera)
cheers for your help though ! :wink:
Paul

External Camera

I'll cut to the chase and save the boring details for the next paragraph: I want an external SDIO camera connected to my Tilt so I can record videos on bike rides. I've searched high and low, and I have a few products in mind. Can anyone tell me if they know of better products?
What I need:
- An SDIO camera which will work on the Kaiser
- An SDIO (standard SD size) to MicroSD cable/adapter (if microSD SDIO cameras do not exist)
- A way to hook up both a microSD card and the camera (if possible)
- A good shell to keep my Kaiser injury free when (and if) I take a spill
- Any other suggestions are welcome.
What I've found:
On Bluetooth Cameras:
So far I've found absolutely nothing in the way of Bluetooth Camera modules (except the following college research paper and patent application by Kodak) so I might be jumping the gun with Bluetooth, but here they are:
http://www.itn.liu.se/~shago/Exjobb/BT_Webcam.pdf [college research pap]
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/02/kodaks-bluetooth-camera-module/ [engadget on kodak patent]
On MicroSD SDIO Camearas:
I have found nothing on this subject. If there are any microSDIO cameras that you are aware of or are around PLEASE PM, e-mail, reply, call or IM me!
On SDIO camera modules I've found the following:
- HP Photosmart Mobile Camera
This is for an iPaq with Windows PocketPC 2002 or Windows Mobile 2003. It takes video, but will it work on a Kaiser, considering it's a WinMo6 device? It looks like a good option.
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/sm/pocketpc/FA185A_specifications.html
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=534595&SiteID=1 [this link suggests that it works fine under winmo5 and is even usable via camera APIs using some discontinued Veo camera APIs]
- eNnovation (LifeView?) FlyCam SD
For this one I have similar fears that some of the prerequisites are not satisfied by the Kaiser. Specifically they list the following:
CPU : Intel Xscale
OS : Microsoft Pocket PC 2000, Pocket PC 2002 and Pocket PC 2003.
The age of the OSes listed and the CPU requirement make me shy away from this one, although the HP seems just as bad when it come to support for WinMo.
http://www.ennovationtech.com/html/flycamsd.htm#F
http://www.msdner.com/dev-archive/144/11-35-1446805.shtm [this link suggests lifeview makes it and there's winmo5 support and an sdk, but the lifeview site is down.]
- Pretec SDIO 1.3MegaPixel Camera
This little card is just another one of the ones I've found. This one says Win PPC 2002 and higher, so I'm guessing it implies WinMo5&6 support, but that's a crap shoot. This camera also features 20fps max depending on resolution while the above two sport 30fps. Not my top choice.
http://www.pretec.com/epages/Store....s/Store.Pretec/Products/OS-CAS#Specifications
http://www.jactron.co.uk/pretec/io/sdio/sd-smartcam.htm
- Veo SDIO Camera
A lot is mentioned about these cams, but they seem to be discontinued and I am unable to find a place to purchase any of these. Would these be better suited? Anyone own one?
- Spectec SDIO Camera
This camera seems to be a 640x480 only discontinued model also. There is a chance that these do not work well with WinMo5/6 at all.
http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=121109 DISCONTINUED
On SD to MicroSD adapters/converters/cables:
I couldn't find any. The closest thing I found was a post on MoDaCo linking to an SD to MiniSD solution. I also found a camerahacker.com post on detailed images which show the pins are pretty much 1-1. I would also like to thank Chainfire who told me this fact ahead of time on IRC in #xda-devs. Additionally, there seems to have been an April Fool's joke about SanDisk making an SD to MicroSD adapter on another PPC device forum. Thanks to them I nearly soiled myself. I am highly inclined to create my own adapter, but feel free to save my time if one exists or is in development.
http://www.camerahacker.com/Digital/Inside_miniSD_Adapter.shtml [CameraHacker post describing pinouts with pics]
http://www.modaco.com/content/Windo...o-purchase-or-make-an-sd-to-microsd-adapter-/ [MoDaCo post related to this same endeavor]
http://www.diatec.co.jp/shop/det.php?prod_c=460 [Japanese site with an SD to MiniSD solution]
On Connecting Both SDIO Device and MicroSD/SD Memory Card
I have not found any information on any device capable of allowing this sort of chaining an SDIO card with an SD card. I did find a WiFi card and a GPS card which allow a pass-through to a microSD card. None of the cameras listed above had this capability listed, and I did not see it in any of the pictures (although I could have missed it?).
On Protective Cases
I found two suitable solutions for this, and I'm leaning toward BoxWave's Armor Case as it has a screen cover as well. They're both around $30.
http://www.boxwave.com/products/armorcase/armor-case-at_t-tilt_2906.htm [BoxWave's Armor Case]
http://www.tiltdepot.com/a/att-tilt-metal-cases/monaco-aluminum-case-_4-23--3294.htm [Monaco Aluminum Case]
So far this is what I've got, and the idea is that I would mount the camera in my helmet, connect the SDIO connector to a cable that runs to my pocket where it converts to MicroSD and plugs into my Kaiser. I would like to get this project together so I can record some videos of upcoming rides. If you know of any better suited products or shortcuts that I can take please reply!

notten:
Here is something I've been looking at to record videos on bike rides.
http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=0&pid=709&scid=86
The big drawback is all the reviews say the video quality is not very good..

Using your 'Kaiser' as the recorder for video I would have thought is a little impractical.
Firstly the mini-SD card is not SDIO compatible even if you could get an adapter. Secondly, you have to find some way of protecting both camera and phone. Thirdly, any wireless connected camera (BT or WiFi) will be of low quality due to transmission rates/resolution restrictions (Check out my thread on connecting a Linksys network camera with peer to peer).
I advise you to Google 'Sports video camera' as there are some good packs out there. Then you can convert the video at a later date for viewing on any device.
Not really the answer you wanted but someone else may come up with something.

The microSD slot not being SDIO is slightly disappointing. Are you sure about this? I wanted to have the phone record GPS along with video, so standalone devices wouldn't really do the trick. Thank you both for your replies. So far it's not what I wanted to hear.
Additionally I cannot find any of the cameras I listed except the HP on sale anywhere. The HP Photosmart camera can only take pictures through an SDK which makes the whole project even less viable.
Are you certain the Kaisers don't support SDIO over the microSD slot?

My bet, and this is a gut instinct, is that none of those camera's will work under WM6. Wasn't the processor and achitecture different on the PPC systems to the newer WM6 hardware? I seem to remember programs came in XScale, ARM and other versions depending on the processor your device carried so it would stand to reason that something designed for a XScale processor wouldn't be to happy with an ARM processor. Course I could be way off base here!
The fact that so many phones, PDA's etc these days come with built in WiFi, Camera's, Bluetooth etc would make the market for add-on devices such as this rather small and its unlikely people would waste their R&D time building something for a rather small market place.
How about something like these?
www.helmetcamera.com
www.helmet-cameras.com

OK, now I know I am pushing the envelope here but Coreplayer have said that they have solved the Qualcomm driver issue for streamed video and that the upcoming version (1.2) of Coreplayer works perfect with the 'Kaiser'.
I would bet that if you can find a 'Rugged' housing for any Linksys camera with reasonable resolution, you can have a good peer-to-peer link in your pocket!!!
Hey! wishful thinking for the New Year???
OH, one thing you have to remember on ANY camera setup! How do you record.....

Honestly, I hope you are correct. I will definitely try the Linksys camera if Coreplayer delivers the updated punch to the video streaming. When it does I will come bug you to test the Linksys camera. With good video it's likely to be my solution. Also, I have a very good buddy who might help me fab an aluminum enclosure for the camera.

notten said:
Honestly, I hope you are correct. I will definitely try the Linksys camera if Coreplayer delivers the updated punch to the video streaming. When it does I will come bug you to test the Linksys camera. With good video it's likely to be my solution. Also, I have a very good buddy who might help me fab an aluminum enclosure for the camera.
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Well the Linksys WVC54G I have is only a poxy 320x240 cam but as I said in the thread, if you can find a Linksys cam with good resolution it should have the same stream available.
OK, I know Crimble is coming up but I will try to set up a 5V portable supply and test this out for you.....(only cause it looks like I'm doin summat good but you have me REALLY interested now for myself, SMILES).
EDIT; How often do we need GPS waypoint ties to vid recording do you think?? (Soz, brain running on...)

A qvga camera will do for me, but the VWC is just way too large. I don't think I can get those to comfortably stay on a helmet without looking outrageously falmboyant.
If there's anything in 640x480 that will stream to TCPMP and fit on a helmet I'm buying it. What exactly is this Crimble? I couldn't find anything on it, but I'll try to build a portable power supply myself if necessary.
As to the GPS waypoints on video: I'm looking to record cool rides and have the playback showing my location. I think I might've unknowningly stolen the concept from Indy 500, which sends some sort of local positioning system for the camera overlays they do with the races. I wonder what else could benefit from this.

notten said:
A qvga camera will do for me, but the VWC is just way too large. I don't think I can get those to comfortably stay on a helmet without looking outrageously falmboyant.
If there's anything in 640x480 that will stream to TCPMP and fit on a helmet I'm buying it. What exactly is this Crimble? I couldn't find anything on it, but I'll try to build a portable power supply myself if necessary.
As to the GPS waypoints on video: I'm looking to record cool rides and have the playback showing my location. I think I might've unknowningly stolen the concept from Indy 500, which sends some sort of local positioning system for the camera overlays they do with the races. I wonder what else could benefit from this.
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Ahh... Crimble is my home location's (Yorkshire, England) acronim (you know, you use those in the US) for Christmas!....
Just buying a camera and using it is not in the 'METHOD' of XDA, if we can get it to work, WELL, then we take the guts and suit it to our purpose. If I can't do the hardware, I am sure somone else will look into that. One task at a time...Lets get a good image with GPS tags...

XPERIA tvout via jack cable, check and not work!!

Hello!!
I installed tvout.cab from other HTC device to XPERIA.
In folder windows, after installation, some files were creates: HTCTVOutPopUp.exe,HTCTVOutPopUp.png, etc, etc.....
I plug my tv out cable from n95(Jack to RGB(yellow/white/red)), but only the sound from my xperia listen in my tv, no image at all.
Then, I tried to click and execute HTCTVOutPopUp.exe from windows folder with cable jack plug to my TV, but nothing happens.
Also I tried to modify some registry values like:
HKLM\ControlPanel\TVOutSetting, HKLM\ControlPanel\TVOutSetting
HKLM\Software\HTC\TVOutPopUp/PAL...etc, etc...nothings seems to works.
Sound listen ok, but no image.
I think, that if there are any change that tv-out xperia works, the right cable to plug to TV is mini-usb to RGB like touch pro and no jack to RGB.
I hope you understand my post...I am from Spain and I am writing too fast.

It will not work...
Xperia doesnt have any tv-out features

Thanks for trying it out. Like you said, if there is something there, the system will be identical to touch pro.
Would be funny if the connectors are there

From what I hear Touch Pro has a proprietary USB connector that has more pins and uses them for audio and TV-out. On the other hand XPERIA has a standard miniB USB plug that doesn't host more pins for these functions.
If it doesn't work from the 3.5mm jack I doubt that it will work at all (except if it is a software problem). I am quite disappointed with SE because the hardware is there but they didn't bother to implement the feature.

There are another couple of threads about this already, stating most of what's been said here. There is a "TVOutEnable" or similar reg setting that someone found, though I can't seem to find it on my X1i (more than likely due to the custom ROM, it was on the standard Vodafone UK ROM). Thing is this reg setting is about 6-7 digits long, not just a 0 or 1.
I'd like to see if this setting is also on the Touch Pro, and see if copying this setting to the xperia would make a difference.
Another point is that other phones using the same 4-pin audio output route the TVOut function to the headphone/mic connectors, as does the Touch pro; IF the TVOut function is at all doable, then it will more than likely use the headphone socket. Domin8or said in another thread that the USB connector actually has plated connectors on the other side, like the proprietary HTC USB socket, but I can't tell from looking at mine whether that's true or not, though I intend to test it out by hacking the headset I got with the Touch Pro to fit into the xperia USB socket to see if there are any connectors there.
I somehow reckon this will be done at some point, provided we can get the correct reg settings and software to work; the TVOut function as I understand is part of the chipset, which is just ignored by SE in the xperia, probably because of licensing fees/other costs involved with getting the functionality "approved" by qualcomm. If the TVOut functions on other phones use the same connectors as the headset/mic, then I don't see why the connectors wouldn't be present and connected on the xperia, just not enabled by software... That'll be a job for us* at XDA then
When I say "us" I mean the community in general, there are way, way more talented people here than me who might be able to help with this, I just hope I can help in any way I can testing etc...

Hello!!
That are the values that I "played" in order to try video out works via jack cable.
HKLM\ControlPanel\TVOutSetting/
Group 0/1
HKLM\Software\HTC\TVOut\
FunctionEnable 0/1
HKLM\Software\HTC\TVOutPopUp\
PAL 4
TVMode 4

sethh said:
Hello!!
That are the values that I "played" in order to try video out works via jack cable.
HKLM\ControlPanel\TVOutSetting/
Group 0/1
HKLM\Software\HTC\TVOut\
FunctionEnable 0/1
HKLM\Software\HTC\TVOutPopUp\
PAL 4
TVMode 4
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sorry I`m not english speaking. but are you saying video out works or You just tryed?

i tried my wired htc remote in the x1 and couldnt get it too work, got it hacked down to shape but it wasnt recognised by the device
its also not the same internals as the touch pro or hd as theres no g sensor

well, unless there are hardware limitations, ex : missing pin or those htc devices are using special jacks; i don't see why it won't work in x1 since it's more than 90% similar to Pro and HD, but perhaps it will need more than just a simple registry hacks.
I guess this all depend on the kindness and dedications from many smarter guys in entire x1 communities.

Hi
Its ane hope to make TV OUT in xperia working?
Sort for my anglish

Did anyone tried putting the Rom of a touch pro to x1 then try the tv out with it?

what
a
pointless
thread...
there is no hardware inside xperia to have tv-out. it is the same case like with people looking for fm radio in tytn 2. if I am wrong, I will eat my shorts.

bronx said:
there is no hardware inside xperia to have tv-out. it is the same case like with people looking for fm radio in tytn 2. if I am wrong, I will eat my shorts.
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Actually the hardware IS there, we just don't know if it is connected to the USB or audio jack.
It is true though that this seems a long shot.

one of the reasons why I bought the Xperia is because of the TV out....Yikes!
I should have given it a little more research before buying, but if it is really possible, I hope somebody finds out how to do it.

XavierGr said:
Actually the hardware IS there, we just don't know if it is connected to the USB or audio jack.
It is true though that this seems a long shot.
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probably not connected to anything brah

So at last is it possible or no ?

It won't work and probably never will.

It won't work because of the contacts e.g. 3.5mm it lacks the contacts for video only for left and right speaker and for mini usb, it lacks pins.. it only works with data and charging..

Lost gps , wifi , bluetooth together

hello
I had a problem with my touch screen and after i get it to a serviceman my gps , wifi , bluetooth and phone mic were lost. so i search for a solution and i found this:
Hi. Have a look on ebay. I would recommend you buy a complete LCD and digitiser pre-assembled in one unit... These typically cost around £35 UK pounds when bought from sellers in Hong Kong. You will need a set of jewellers screw drivers (mini torx drivers), and a set of tweezers. Also, would recommend downloading a Service Manual for the Diamond if you have never taken one apart before (you can find this with Google). You need to be very careful though, because there are two small black coaxial cables inside the device that carry the GPS, bluetooth/wifi signals from the upper antenna board to the lower motherboard. These are very easily damaged and it is difficult to locate replacements. I've changed a few LCDs in the past and it is relatively easy if you are careful and methodic about taking the device apart. If you are unsure, I would recommend finding a third party replacement service on the internet to do it for you....
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so i download diamons sevice manual but i dont know i must repair what!!!
is there any chance to dont replace the cable and just repair it? because i cant found parts of this mobile in my country.

[Q] Extrending the camera

Hey everyone.
I'm trying something. an experiment if you like to call it that.
I want a on board ride camera with live feed to the internet on my motorcycle. I want the camera to be in the front of the motorcycle and i have been looking at putting a micro pc on board and a webcam in the front but i see hundred of problems with that solution. but then i got this idea. I have my old and good htc diamond mobile laying around and i wondered if i can unplug the camera module on the mobile and extend the cable to the front of the bike. and have a connection to the mobile that are under the seat. But then I'm worried that extending the cable from the build in camera to the mobile itself wold be a problem. (max 1.5 meter cable) do anyone have any experience or knowledge of this?
Thanks