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http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/google-officially-closes-deal-for-motorola-mobility/
What does this mean for us...?
Nothing? >_>
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What does this mean for us...?
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Hopefully an unlocked bootloader, kept promises, and faster releases. Either way, I dont see it being any worse than what we had before.
Expect the worst, hope for the best.
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It means Sanjay Jha is gone as CEO. Thankfully.
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It means Sanjay Jha is gone as CEO. Thankfully.
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While I understand they want to run Motorola independently, I do hope they have Moto follow the principles they themselves believe in. Only time will tell.
True.
Expecting the worst:
1. Webtop Gone
2. Making slimmer and slimmer phones that may or may not survive a day of usage.
3. Keep on delivering slower than competition technology (pen tile resolution, slower processor)
4. Keep on failing to fulfill customer's needs.
Hoping:
1. As google does not make PC's/ laptops, and strong resources. Hoping they develop Webtop software and push it further.
2. Continue to make phones thick enough to hold firmly and slim enough to not create bulge under ur pocket (ex. razr maxx). 3300mah would be a good guideline.
3. Keeping up with the competition with newest hardwares (processor, GP). Coz to be honest, no phone craves processing speed like Motorola does (with it's webtop requirements.
4. Better customer support.
I will not change to other branded phones, solely because of the webtop software.
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True.
Expecting the worst:
1. Webtop Gone
2. Making slimmer and slimmer phones that may or may not survive a day of usage.
3. Keep on delivering slower than competition technology (pen tile resolution, slower processor)
4. Keep on failing to fulfill customer's needs.
Hoping:
1. As google does not make PC's/ laptops, and strong resources. Hoping they develop Webtop software and push it further.
2. Continue to make phones thick enough to hold firmly and slim enough to not create bulge under ur pocket (ex. razr maxx). 3300mah would be a good guideline.
3. Keeping up with the competition with newest hardwares (processor, GP). Coz to be honest, no phone craves processing speed like Motorola does (with it's webtop requirements.
4. Better customer support.
I will not change to other branded phones, solely because of the webtop software.
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pentile doesn't deserve the rap it gets. Yes, it causes some pixelation, but readability outside is important to me. Also, I really don't think Moto phones are underpowered. At the moment they don't really have a 'superphone', but a bunch of newer CPUs just came out...
Personally, I hope Google:
1) Keeps a hardware keyboard model
2) Unlocks the bootloaders
That's it. The latest version of Blur on the D4 does not bother me (after you replace the launcher). The D4 is fast, has a great keyboard, good design. The only thing that is disappointing about it is the locked bootloader. And the non-removable battery. But I won't even get into that...
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pentile doesn't deserve the rap it gets. Yes, it causes some pixelation, but readability outside is important to me. Also, I really don't think Moto phones are underpowered. At the moment they don't really have a 'superphone', but a bunch of newer CPUs just came out...
Personally, I hope Google:
1) Keeps a hardware keyboard model
2) Unlocks the bootloaders
That's it. The latest version of Blur on the D4 does not bother me (after you replace the launcher). The D4 is fast, has a great keyboard, good design. The only thing that is disappointing about it is the locked bootloader. And the non-removable battery. But I won't even get into that...
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This +1. These are my only two concerns. Keep the keyboard and unlock the bootloader!
I still fail to understand how there has been a systematic removal of keyboards from almost all phones by manufacturers when there clearly remains a reasonably sized market segment that still wants them!
--Randall
podspi said:
pentile doesn't deserve the rap it gets. Yes, it causes some pixelation, but readability outside is important to me. Also, I really don't think Moto phones are underpowered. At the moment they don't really have a 'superphone', but a bunch of newer CPUs just came out...
Personally, I hope Google:
1) Keeps a hardware keyboard model
2) Unlocks the bootloaders
That's it. The latest version of Blur on the D4 does not bother me (after you replace the launcher). The D4 is fast, has a great keyboard, good design. The only thing that is disappointing about it is the locked bootloader. And the non-removable battery. But I won't even get into that...
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randallman said:
This +1. These are my only two concerns. Keep the keyboard and unlock the bootloader!
I still fail to understand how there has been a systematic removal of keyboards from almost all phones by manufacturers when there clearly remains a reasonably sized market segment that still wants them!
--Randall
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I haven't noticed the problems people complain about with the pentile display either. I love the readability of it outdoors, even when it's set at minimal brightness.
A larger battery would be nice but wasn't a deal breaker for me, I just bought an extra usb cable and keep it plugged into my computer at work and I have no issues making it through an average work day even under heavy use.
I just have to write that I came across this phone last week end. I was looking to purchase the Sony Xperia S for a family member, I have just purchased myself the Sony Xperia Z and truly like the phone. Could not get the Sony S but while browsing in the store I noticed the LG. I read the specs and thought the price must have been a mistake. I purchased it on the spot and can only write I am amazed at this best kept secret!
Its simply incredible value for money. Same CPU power as my Sony and the screen is amazing.
How on earth has this mobile not been better advertised? Quad core and all the extras for half the price of my Samsung Galaxy S3 and the Galaxy Note! Quality wise to my eye they are one and the same though the Sony Z knocks them all for six in this respect BUT so it should its an expensive mobile.
I have read some of the usual gripes here regarding this phone and some are fair comment while others are the usual silly remarks. I ponder what some of the whiners would recommend at this price range? I am a regular techno junkie and accidently found this LG and am amazed by it.
Well done LG, maybe LG should do an awful lot more marketing?
Thank god there are people who think the same, rather than complain all day.
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I just have to write that I came across this phone last week end. I was looking to purchase the Sony Xperia S for a family member, I have just purchased myself the Sony Xperia Z and truly like the phone. Could not get the Sony S but while browsing in the store I noticed the LG. I read the specs and thought the price must have been a mistake. I purchased it on the spot and can only write I am amazed at this best kept secret!
Its simply incredible value for money. Same CPU power as my Sony and the screen is amazing.
How on earth has this mobile not been better advertised? Quad core and all the extras for half the price of my Samsung Galaxy S3 and the Galaxy Note! Quality wise to my eye they are one and the same though the Sony Z knocks them all for six in this respect BUT so it should its an expensive mobile.
I have read some of the usual gripes here regarding this phone and some are fair comment while others are the usual silly remarks. I ponder what some of the whiners would recommend at this price range? I am a regular techno junkie and accidently found this LG and am amazed by it.
Well done LG, maybe LG should do an awful lot more marketing?
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I'm guessing they don't do more marketing because, when the phone was their flagship, pricing wasn't as attractive as now. Now that it's this attractive, they have their Optimus G out and their G Pro on the way, so this one is too low on the list for any marketing investment from LG.
On the other hand, the stores that sell them for these extremely competitive prices should do a bit more marketing about this one
BTW, where did you get it and for how much?
Love this phone, sure s3 has regular updates and better support from gameloft, but its £27 vs £18 a month on the cheapest site I found
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I suppose people actually describing what their problems are, in detail, would be helpful.
And I don't see why we should try to help LG market their own products. (Even if I know how these companies tend to work - "Aah, we have 50 complaints about the 4x and the tegra3 from people on the internet, but our Snapdragon product for a limited market with a contract that you need to be braindead to sign up for gets loads of praise! Cancel the tegra stuff now, because l33tr000tclock thinks tegra3 lags!!1elevenseses!").
But yeah, the OP is right. Definitely very good value for the money. The best value for the money, even. Still surprised by how thick and plastic the competing phones are, for example.. Or the praise for the Sony screens - love that one. "It's a bravia screen, so it's good and expensive".. no, it's a backlit led/superled2 screen made in China, like all the rest. Which Sony deemed was sufficient for production units.
And manufacturers make a lot of bad choices like that from a consumer perspective. LG has made several "business-choices" like that earlier as well. So no complaining isn't really going to help, to put it like that. People who make informed purchases tend to be happier customers, after all.
Still - yes, you'd think LG would advertise this phone a bit better, if they knew what was good for them, right? That they'd say: look, here's an expensive screen we made, that has the touch matrix integrated in the screen layer, fantastic colours, very stable, no backlight bleeding in the picture, etc. This is the forerunner to what we imagine will be even slimmer and lighter phones in the future - perhaps one day we can integrate the circuits into the transparent layers? (<-note: actually technically possible). And the tegra3 array is the best performing kit, that also has the best battery life during load. Enjoy! Also, custom bootloader and open source! Wohoo!
You know, you'd think they would do that. But inside the industry HQs, the arguments go like this: "We need a more streamlined and cheaper design that uses the same components as everyone else, that maintains the market, so we can use the razor blade model infinitely, and get people to buy the same €400 phone year after year! So don't go making a phone that actually has the latest tech if you don't need to, for crying out loud, what are you trying to do, bankrupt us!?".
So when aberrations like the 4x turns up, that actually is a good phone (sadly, doesn't use lithium polymer battery, and didn't ditch the thick antenna module and so on - could have saved a few mm there. But outside of that, all contact points, mainboard solder, frame, construction is high above par), it won't be thought of as a product that the company should sell to earn money. It's thought of as a product that might impress enthusiasts, but which will be unsuited for sales in the general market. Even if that actually proves to not be true, and the price ends up in a very comfortable area.
Basically, you have the phone now costing less than a two-three year old htc. Loads and loads of dual-core phones that also cost more, that don't have expansion slots or a battery slot. So what will very likely be argued is that the 4x is essentially cannibalizing the market downwards. Even if the support LG has come up with for the phone, with the upcoming jellybean and open loader (for dual linux/alternate/android boots?) is very promising.
But trust me on this one - even if the entire gawker site started to cover the 4x and the linux spins, in the way they seem to want to have sex with their iphones, that still wouldn't be sufficient to change the thinking about how an "enthusiast device" can't be sold to the general consumer market, without cutting the legs off it.
Obviously that's not true - when android and alt. loaders, extra equipment, installing apps, etc., is as easy as it is -- then any reasonable person will see that we don't really have enthusiast devices any more, in any sense. Instead they average user-devices just become easier/possible to use. But that thinking persists anyway. And honestly I don't think we or "media" sites really can do much to change that.
Because when your strategy folks pull in people to test devices, they don't know anything about the hardware or the construction, right? They won't compare and say "this iron edge on the bottom of the phone is inconvenient! Get rid of it!". Instead they say: "I like this iron edge a bit better than the other one!"..
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Thank god there are people who think the same, rather than complain all day.
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I know right!
skryptus said:
I'm guessing they don't do more marketing because, when the phone was their flagship, pricing wasn't as attractive as now. Now that it's this attractive, they have their Optimus G out and their G Pro on the way, so this one is too low on the list for any marketing investment from LG.
On the other hand, the stores that sell them for these extremely competitive prices should do a bit more marketing about this one
BTW, where did you get it and for how much?
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not sure where you live but here in the netherlands it ALWAYS has bin way cheaper then the htc one x and was and still is the best bang for the bucks.
I just wanna ask the people who have run out and bought this phone if its really all that? I have read reviews watched them talk about it on android central and looked at the specs and compared it to the other phones that are out. I just want to know expierences so far
Well the scary thing to me is... I don't feel the need to root at the moment... It's smooth, battery life is amazing, active notifications are AWWWWESOME. once bootloader is figured out I may change my tune but my phone is in a very comfortable state. I LOVE IT!
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This phone changes the game. The spec sheet race is kind of silly when you think about it. I've never held a phone in my hands that feels as good as this one. I'm very happy with it
Simple answer. Yes. X8 core processors system is the way of the future.
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totally worth it
i truly prefer this over my year old s3
Love it! Switched from my S4GE and love the smaller size and feel in hand. Im only looking forward to root for tethering capabilities.
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What is the call quality and speakerphone like?
I picked this phone over my s4 and I think I've made the right choice.
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I just wanna ask the people who have run out and bought this phone if its really all that? I have read reviews watched them talk about it on android central and looked at the specs and compared it to the other phones that are out. I just want to know expierences so far
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i went to the att store today and played with this phone and i can say im definately not impressed at all. i compared the screen side by side and the difference in the 2 screens is really noticable. Also it so reminds me of a iphone i dont know why but it just does. i know alot of people are gonna argue my opinion but as for a phone guru as myself i can pretty much say its not any kind of a flagship device. only thing that may be good about it more than my HTC One is battery life. I al really hoping the hanami is gonna be a great phone and be my next purchase
i think you meant to start a new post that said "i saw this phone for 5 minutes, i'll answer all my own questions!"
I think the more you use this phone the more you will appreciate the innovation and little things. I now love this phone.
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What is the call quality and speakerphone like?
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I came from the N4, which totally sucked. I had to strain to hear people. The X has excellent call quality, earpiece and speaker volume.
Well worth the cash:beer:
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People crying over the dual-core processor...Motorola decided to choose what mattered more, which is battery life over "raw computing power". without increasing the size or the weight of the phone by adding a bigger and bulkier battery. Our phones just need to be fast and smooth enough for our every day tasks such as watching videos, playing games, browsing etc. We're not using these things for high end computing or folding proteins etc. Just like a computer with a 12 core processor won't matter if you're still using HDD and not SSD. Or people who only care about the "horses" on a car and disregard the weight of the vehicle or its transmission etc. I don't think people understand the software possibilities of having hardware designed for "always-on" mode besides the touchless google now feature. I've tried installing a voice assistant like the one on Moto X from the play store and my battery died within a couple hours with the screen off. The X8 system is really redefining how conventional smartphones would work in the future once people realize the possibilities that can bring. Now whether or not you agree that your smartphone should always be on and listening/aware is a different debate.
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People crying over the dual-core processor...Motorola decided to choose what mattered more, which is battery life over "raw computing power". without increasing the size or the weight of the phone by adding a bigger and bulkier battery. Our phones just need to be fast and smooth enough for our every day ta"qsks such as watching videos, playing games, browsing etc. We're not using these things for high end computing or folding proteins etc. Just like a computer with a 12 core processor won't matter if you're still using HDD and not SSD. Or people who only care about the "horses" on a car and disregard the weight of the vehicle or its transmission etc. I don't think people understand the software possibilities of having hardware designed for "always-on" mode besides the touchless google now feature. I've tried installing a voice assistant like the one on Moto X from the play store and my battery died within a couple hours with the screen off. The X8 system is really redefining how conventional smartphones would work in the future once people realize the possibilities that can bring. Now whether or not you agree that your smartphone should always be on and listening/aware is a different debate.
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The phone isn't underpowered. Its GLBenchmark results are better than the SGS4 and HTC One. The CPU is two Krait 300 cores (which is the same as what's in the Snapdragon 600). With two cores disabled on the Nexus 4, the device runs just fine. If I can get this device for a good price, it will be my next phone.
I'll be the first to admit I wrong (there I said it). When I first heard the specs and price point, I figured Moto was doomed and their marketing gurus priced them right out of a comeback. Again, I was wrong.
Friday I picked up a Galaxy Mega 6.3 from AT&T and I took it back on Saturday afternoon. Very laggy (not as much as the S4 though), it was huge (and I'm a big guy at 6'3" 330lbs), the only thing I can say was good was the typing experience because I had so much room on the screen. But the phone was just too big, probably a great device in the end but just not for me.
Saturday afternoon I picked up the Black AT&T Moto X and this phone is fantastic and I don't say that about a lot of phones at all (I think the last time I said it was in 2007 when the first iPhone came out (yes I've used and respect all of the OS's, each has their own pluses and minuses) and before that, when the Moto Razr came out.
The phone feels perfect (IMO) in the hand, like Moto took the time to actually do the research with actual customers and see what they liked and didn't like and made change until they got it right. The 4.7" screen, in the same space as the iPhone 5 claims to only be able to fit 4", is great. Battery life is phenomenal (I'm not a heavy user but I never charged it out of the box and the charge that came on it lasted until it hit 4% this morning (Monday) when I got to the office at 6:30am. Build quality is great and believe me I have a mild case of OCD so I checked it out, buttons are nice with a definite tactile click to them (unlike the HTC One's power button that's almost always sunken in), buttons don't rattle (like they do on the S4 and the i5), soft touch material is great, screen is bright and not quite as SAMOLED'y as the S4 (again IMO) but marginally less impressive than the Super LCD3 on the HTC One. Focusing on day-to-day use and user experience, I have to admit I think it was the right way to go for a change.
There's more but I'm sure those of you that have one know what I'm talking about and those that don't, go try one out (at least if you're on AT&T for the moment here in the US), if you don't like it, return it but you might find yourself pleasantly surprised. I've only had it for two days but as right now, barring anything major popping up before the end of the next 10 days, I think this one is a keeper. And if this one develops an issue, I don't think I'd be getting anything else, I'd have this one DOA'ed and get another, it is really that good.
Excellent Job Google and Motorola on this one; very, very impressed.
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I came from the N4, which totally sucked. I had to strain to hear people. The X has excellent call quality, earpiece and speaker volume.
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That's really good to know. I had a N4 for a week and absolutely loved it. I had the ticking sound in the earpiece when on a call and buzzing whenever the screen was on. I couldn't justify the money for such obvious design flaws. It is comforting knowing the X is better in this regards.
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I'll be the first to admit I wrong (there I said it). When I first heard the specs and price point, I figured Moto was doomed and their marketing gurus priced them right out of a comeback. Again, I was wrong.
Friday I picked up a Galaxy Mega 6.3 from AT&T and I took it back on Saturday afternoon. Very laggy (not as much as the S4 though), it was huge (and I'm a big guy at 6'3" 330lbs), the only thing I can say was good was the typing experience because I had so much room on the screen. But the phone was just too big, probably a great device in the end but just not for me.
Saturday afternoon I picked up the Black AT&T Moto X and this phone is fantastic and I don't say that about a lot of phones at all (I think the last time I said it was in 2007 when the first iPhone came out (yes I've used and respect all of the OS's, each has their own pluses and minuses) and before that, when the Moto Razr came out.
The phone feels perfect (IMO) in the hand, like Moto took the time to actually do the research with actual customers and see what they liked and didn't like and made change until they got it right. The 4.7" screen, in the same space as the iPhone 5 claims to only be able to fit 4", is great. Battery life is phenomenal (I'm not a heavy user but I never charged it out of the box and the charge that came on it lasted until it hit 4% this morning (Monday) when I got to the office at 6:30am. Build quality is great and believe me I have a mild case of OCD so I checked it out, buttons are nice with a definite tactile click to them (unlike the HTC One's power button that's almost always sunken in), buttons don't rattle (like they do on the S4 and the i5), soft touch material is great, screen is bright and not quite as SAMOLED'y as the S4 (again IMO) but marginally less impressive than the Super LCD3 on the HTC One. Focusing on day-to-day use and user experience, I have to admit I think it was the right way to go for a change.
There's more but I'm sure those of you that have one know what I'm talking about and those that don't, go try one out (at least if you're on AT&T for the moment here in the US), if you don't like it, return it but you might find yourself pleasantly surprised. I've only had it for two days but as right now, barring anything major popping up before the end of the next 10 days, I think this one is a keeper. And if this one develops an issue, I don't think I'd be getting anything else, I'd have this one DOA'ed and get another, it is really that good.
Excellent Job Google and Motorola on this one; very, very impressed.
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What device were you originally coming from? I'm coming from the HTC Vivid (I'm torn between trading it in for cash and shooting it out of a cannon)
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What device were you originally coming from? I'm coming from the HTC Vivid (I'm torn between trading it in for cash and shooting it out of a cannon)
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Recently I've had the SGS4, HTC One, iPhone 5 and the Optimus G Pro. User experience and build quality, the X wins and like I said in my post, I was not a believer of the X when I first heard about it but after trying it I'm am very pleasantly surprised. My suggestion again would be to try it and if after a week you aren't at least partially sold on it, take it back. There are definitely a lot of good choices out there right now, it's all about what works for you.
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Recently I've had the SGS4, HTC One, iPhone 5 and the Optimus G Pro. User experience and build quality, the X wins and like I said in my post, I was not a believer of the X when I first heard about it but after trying it I'm am very pleasantly surprised. My suggestion again would be to try it and if after a week you aren't at least partially sold on it, take it back. There are definitely a lot of good choices out there right now, it's all about what works for you.
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I plan on going motomaker, doubt there are refunds on that one.
In case anyone still around is unaware, Blackberry has just released the closest thing to an upgrade in a long time for us physical keyboard users: the Priv.
Brief specs of interest, use your Google for specifics:
A "security-hardened" version of Lollipop (with Marshmallow in the works)
Snapdragon 808
3gb of RAM
32gb of storage, 22gb of which is user-usable
5.4" AMOLED screen (QHD, ~540ppi), Samsung-esque curved edges for doing fun things with
3410mAh battery
18mp back camera, 2mp front camera
NFC
Stereo, front-facing speakers. The first part of that sentence may have been an unintentional lie.
MicroSD slot - yes, in this day and age
Notification light - yes, apparently a proper one
And of course, a physical keyboard - that is not only backlit, but also doubles as a trackpad
Caveats:
The keyboard is a portrait slider rather than a landscape one as we're used to, but apparently it's fairly well-balanced and isn't as horribly awkward to use as it looks like it should be
It's a phone with a 5.4" screen and slider plates, not exactly small or thin - though I would argue the latter isn't a negative
No fingerprint sensor, in case that's your thing
Probably no built-in inductive charging, or at least I've seen no mention of it The US is at the moment receiving model STV100-1, which has inductive charging; the STV100-3 is for the Canadian market and lacks inductive charging but has more LTE bands unlocked
Micro-USB only, and apparently only transfers at USB 2.0 speeds, so that'll be fun
And finally, possibly the greatest negative considering where we are: not only is the bootloader locked, it actively verifies system files at boot to try and prevent tampering. That's gonna be fun to figure out how to root, let alone get CM going on...
Unfortunately, BB has decided to make the bafflingly terrible choice of launching it as an AT&T exclusive, but have said that they intend to release for all major carriers, so (assuming sales are decent enough) we should see a Verizon version around the end of the year/going into next. The radio in the 808 is completely capable of doing Verizon CDMA and LTE, but you know how they are these days. Edit: Verizon has confirmed both via twitter and their site that the phone is "coming soon", so it looks like we'll almost certainly get at least a short run even if things don't go well.
There's also the pricepoint problem: it's expensive at $700, or $250 with a contract.
It's out of my price range for the moment even if it were available on VZN, but it has definitely piqued my interest, and I'll probably find a way to pick one up when/if it's available.
I've been waiting for Droid 5 for a long time so It's not gona happen and I love my new pocket computer, the BlackBerry Priv.......I left Verizon after 8 years to get one. I'm glad they are getting them soon to But I really hope that the QWERTY board will survive cause I Hate typing on a flat screen more then sitting in mindless traffic ...
I love that they released it, hate the security model. My response to the poll would be "Once the price goes down & root and CM is possible."
I prefer smaller phones and I think that landscape slider is much better than portait. The biggest deal breaker for me is the price. That is why I'm not going to buy Priv. I decided to make Android qwerty slider myself. Take a look: Qwerty Keyboard Slider [DIY]
No Blackberry phones. I want a DROID 5.
Maybe a Samsung slider phone, but specs would have to be good. MicroSD card slot. 4G. Not the dollar store variety.
I've had Motorola phones since before the v3 RAZR. and a Samsung slider when the first iPhone came out. But other than that.. I'm on the DROID wagon.
I would if it was landscape, I don't care for portrait much.
i really cant see myself ever getting a priv because of the locked down system. as a vzw unlimited data user i tend to use hotspot quite often and having to go through hoops to get around verizons paywall is a huge con for me.
theres also the portrait keyboard which really doesnt do it for me so maybe if its as cheap as a droid 4
at least i know theres a device i can go to if the world runs out of replacement droid 4s
Still Waiting
Do not like the portrait profile of the Priv. Have a Passport as a secondary phone and it is a solid phone but still prefer my Droid 4 as the best UI and size for a phone. Luckily have Asurion and am on my 10+ replacement Droid 4. One of these days the marketeers of all these "me too" cell phone companies will realize there are some of us out there that prefer this form factor with a slide out keyboard. Looks like Apple just figured out that there is a whole market out there for smaller form factor phones and I think it will be a solid seller. Just cant get used to the glass being the only area you can type in. And when others see me typing on the Droid 4 they realize the superiority of this UI. The keyboard on the Passport is OK but does not hold a candle to the Droid 4 keyboard. It just does not play well with the Google Play store so is only half compatible. The Priv is a full Android phone but it is not build as solid as the Passport. Also the phone on the Passport is incredible.
Can't root the Priv, way too expensive and no cursor keys - nope, definitely won't buy it.
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I've been waiting for Droid 5 for a long time so It's not gona happen...
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synpse said:
No Blackberry phones. I want a DROID 5.
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Unfortunately, Motorola got eaten by Google (which was actually potentially promising), then practically given away to Lenovo, and Lenovo appears to have no interest in physical keyboards at all. Given that most consumers seem perfectly happy with typing on glass and trusting autocorrect to catch any mistouches, I don't think the Droid 5 is ever going to be a thing : \
It's sad to see one of the device lines that really helped get Verizon-driven Android on the map just sort of...peter out quietly. It deserved more.
Price is down to ~$400 for a new unlocked unit now, occasionally on sale for around $300. Verizon's CDMA flavor is still around $500 used, looks like. So hey, the pricing situation is sorting itself out fairly quickly.
Blackberry still has a wonky portrait slab with a fixed keyboard and a rebadged all-screen slate coming out, perhaps they'll throw the rest of us a bone and produce a landscape slider if things go well with those...
So as of this morning, Lenovo officially listed the Moto E4 and E4 Plus on their site. Here's the E4 specs:
-Almost the same as G4 Play
-Snapdragon 425 or 427
-NanoSIM
-Added e-compass (which SHOULD have been on the G4 Play, seriously)
-Fingerprint Scanner in select markets
-Nougat out of the box
And all for $20 cheaper than what most of us paid. Anyone else as pissed as I am?
mkollersms said:
So as of this morning, Lenovo officially listed the Moto E4 and E4 Plus on their site. Here's the E4 specs:
-Almost the same as G4 Play
-Snapdragon 425 or 427
-NanoSIM
-Added e-compass (which SHOULD have been on the G4 Play, seriously)
-Fingerprint Scanner in select markets
-Nougat out of the box
And all for $20 cheaper than what most of us paid. Anyone else as pissed as I am?
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Not a all. The G5 series is replacing the G4 although the latter will likely remain available for some time. The E4 has a different demographic/geographic focus but will supposedly be available in Europe and North America, likely positioned as a budget phone.
The evolution you are seeing with the G4->E4 series regularly plays out in the consumer electronics, automotive and other industries. Fingerprint scanners were once exclusive to "flagship" devices; now some varients of the lowly E4 gets one. Amazing!
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Not a all. The G5 series is replacing the G4 although the latter will likely remain available for some time. The E4 has a different demographic/geographic focus but will supposedly be available in Europe and North America, likely positioned as a budget phone.
The evolution you are seeing with the G4->E4 series regularly plays out in the consumer electronics, automotive and other industries. Fingerprint scanners were once exclusive to "flagship" devices; now some varients of the lowly E4 gets one. Amazing!
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That would be fine and dandy except 1) magnetometers are far from a new technology, 2) lenovo NEVER addressed the GPS faults and I got *****ed out by a rep over it, and 3) the OTA delay which should not have happened (though apparently part of the problem is the Bluetooth issue is affecting a huge amount of devices including the Pixel models themselves).
I did have the Moto E1 back in the day, and the fact it had the capacity to run CM14.0 was damned impressive. Of course, it wasn't without its faults either. A magnetometer should be in every phone and I don't understand why so many devices omit it. There's companies I won't so much as look at *coughSamsungcough* because it's such a powerful tool. You can't say that only flagships have it, since a lot of sub-$150 LG phones did (the Leon/Tribute2/Sunset for example). And I mean, the E1 didn't even have an LED flash. I was lucky to snag a cheap US Cellular model and do a Day-One Unlock.
But I would say I got far more use out of that phone than my G4P. I loved that phone, and this model has been a serious letdown. So it's like, do I want to give this company another $130 and risk being let down again? I personally won't. I plan to get a Sony Xperia L1 and let a family member have this one. It'll still have Lineage, so at least I'll be able to update the damned thing.
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That would be fine and dandy except 1) magnetometers are far from a new technology, 2) lenovo NEVER addressed the GPS faults and I got *****ed out by a rep over it, and 3) the OTA delay which should not have happened (though apparently part of the problem is the Bluetooth issue is affecting a huge amount of devices including the Pixel models themselves).
I did have the Moto E1 back in the day, and the fact it had the capacity to run CM14.0 was damned impressive. Of course, it wasn't without its faults either. A magnetometer should be in every phone and I don't understand why so many devices omit it. There's companies I won't so much as look at *coughSamsungcough* because it's such a powerful tool. You can't say that only flagships have it, since a lot of sub-$150 LG phones did (the Leon/Tribute2/Sunset for example). And I mean, the E1 didn't even have an LED flash. I was lucky to snag a cheap US Cellular model and do a Day-One Unlock.
But I would say I got far more use out of that phone than my G4P. I loved that phone, and this model has been a serious letdown. So it's like, do I want to give this company another $130 and risk being let down again? I personally won't. I plan to get a Sony Xperia L1 and let a family member have this one. It'll still have Lineage, so at least I'll be able to update the damned thing.
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Hum...sounds like the G4P did not meet your expectations. I was fully aware of the GPS issues and sensor limitations (which were widely published) prior to purchase. I don't share your opinions on the base feature set for all phones but do believe proper advance research leads to a happier experience.
Davey126 said:
Hum...sounds like the G4P did not meet your expectations. I was fully aware of the GPS issues and sensor limitations (which were widely published) prior to purchase. I don't share your opinions on the base feature set for all phones but do believe proper advance research leads to a happier experience.
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Please tell me where you got this "advance research," because beyond Amazon user reviews (which I normally take with a grain of salt), I found no press coverage about any faults with this phone. Not even 6 months after its release.
EDIT: Actually, I'm going to double down on this, because Lenovo THEMSELVES insisted there was no coverage of anything being wrong with this phone either.
Not at all. I picked up this Moto 4 Play for 35 dollars on Black Friday which I only use as a "play" phone. It does my social media checkup, remote for my Android TV, eBay selling management, etc.
I have a Moto Z Play as my main phone so not at all do I feel a slap in my face. However, you do need to realize though is that each year parts become cheaper which is the reason why they are able to offer such a package with the Moto E4 this year. If this was last year, expect it to have been more expensive.
mkollersms said:
Please tell me where you got this "advance research," because beyond Amazon user reviews (which I normally take with a grain of salt), I found no press coverage about any faults with this phone. Not even 6 months after its release.
EDIT: Actually, I'm going to double down on this, because Lenovo THEMSELVES insisted there was no coverage of anything being wrong with this phone either.
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Lol - of course Lenovo is going to deny there is an issue.
Bottom line: I was aware of the issues prior to purchase (actually bought two); the info was not difficult to find and came from multiple sources. The device meets my lowered expectations especially given the price point. My better half is passively seeking a replacement due to GPS issue. Sorry it didn't work out for you.
How superior is SD425/427 to our SD410?
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How superior is SD425/427 to our SD410?
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http://bfy.tw/CLWb
I tried, and I found nothing, so I asked here. Next time, when you don't know something, don't hide yourself behind sarcasm, it's a waste of such a good rhetorical device.
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I tried, and I found nothing, so I asked here. Next time, when you don't know something, don't hide yourself behind sarcasm, it's a waste of such a good rhetorical device.
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Not a tough find as evidenced by the search query.
Ok, I'm a moron, can you please tell me is sd 425/427 noticeably better than 410 for everyday use?
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Ok, I'm a moron, can you please tell me is sd 425/427 noticeably better than 410 for everyday use?
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I seriously doubt you are a "moron" but do feel you haven't extended much effort to find the answer. Following link references an article 3rd/4th in the search results. Short (spoon feed) answer is 'no'.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ips-bring-high-end-features-to-midrange-socs/
Of course I used Google first, but I really haven't found this, thanks, now I'm feeling a little less stupid for buying g4 play a month ago.
Literally, the first result it brought me to was a side-by-side comparison with graphics, charts and beautiful illustrations detailing differences between the two chip sets.
https://versus.com/en/qualcomm-snapdragon-410-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-425
425 is so close to 410, I wouldn't even call it an upgrade. The only thing not 100% identical is 64-bit processing and a .2ghz nudge in top (factory defined) speed.
mkollersms said:
So as of this morning, Lenovo officially listed the Moto E4 and E4 Plus on their site. Here's the E4 specs:
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And all for $20 cheaper than what most of us paid. Anyone else as pissed as I am?
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Year old model replaced by something better a year later as technology allows. Get used to it. I'm not going to be pissed over something I bought in the past being eclipsed by something released in the future.
I am honestly shocked by some of the replies I'm seeing. For ALL of the complaints I've seen on this forum (faulty GPS, problems with CDMA carriers, lack of OTA support after nearly a year, etc.), seeing you guys blindly justify the successor just... it boggles my mind. I would be more understanding if the price point for the E4 was the same as the G4P ($150). At least that would make sense from a marketing standpoint. But for them to slash the price to below the G4P, as if to imply that they're phasing out the G4P entirely, just screams that they have no intention of supporting it further. I think that's BS.
Yes, the media is claiming that June will have the drop date for 7.1.1. That's still far from definitive, and there's no guarantee Lenovo won't pull the same thing with Android 8.0 down the road. They just aren't that trustworthy. All I'm going to say is if I hadn't rooted mine, I could think of few equal/better phones for the price (Samsung Galaxy J3, ZTE ZMax 2, LG X Style).
Lenovo does not have a solid strategy with the Moto line. Until they admit to that fact, I'm not going to put my trust in them. It's your call whether you choose to do otherwise.
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I am honestly shocked by some of the replies I'm seeing. For ALL of the complaints I've seen on this forum (faulty GPS, problems with CDMA carriers, lack of OTA support after nearly a year, etc.), seeing you guys blindly justify the successor just... it boggles my mind. I would be more understanding if the price point for the E4 was the same as the G4P ($150). At least that would make sense from a marketing standpoint. But for them to slash the price to below the G4P, as if to imply that they're phasing out the G4P entirely, just screams that they have no intention of supporting it further. I think that's BS.
Yes, the media is claiming that June will have the drop date for 7.1.1. That's still far from definitive, and there's no guarantee Lenovo won't pull the same thing with Android 8.0 down the road. They just aren't that trustworthy. All I'm going to say is if I hadn't rooted mine, I could think of few equal/better phones for the price (Samsung Galaxy J3, ZTE ZMax 2, LG X Style).
Lenovo does not have a solid strategy with the Moto line. Until they admit to that fact, I'm not going to put my trust in them. It's your call whether you choose to do otherwise.
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Not certain I follow this post. I purchased the G4P for three reasons: form factor (size), modest price point and ability to easily unlock the bootloader. OTA to stock Android 7.x (if it happens) is nice but not an entitlement on a budget handset. Zero expectation of going to Android 8. I have no problem with a nearly identical variant being rebranded and sold at a lower price as newer models are introduced. Common practice w/consumer electronics (consider your television, personal computer, etc). Trust? LOL!!
So what would you have Leveno do?
mkollersms said:
I am honestly shocked by some of the replies I'm seeing. For ALL of the complaints I've seen on this forum (faulty GPS, problems with CDMA carriers, lack of OTA support after nearly a year, etc.), seeing you guys blindly justify the successor just... it boggles my mind. I would be more understanding if the price point for the E4 was the same as the G4P ($150). At least that would make sense from a marketing standpoint. But for them to slash the price to below the G4P, as if to imply that they're phasing out the G4P entirely, just screams that they have no intention of supporting it further. I think that's BS.
Yes, the media is claiming that June will have the drop date for 7.1.1. That's still far from definitive, and there's no guarantee Lenovo won't pull the same thing with Android 8.0 down the road. They just aren't that trustworthy. All I'm going to say is if I hadn't rooted mine, I could think of few equal/better phones for the price (Samsung Galaxy J3, ZTE ZMax 2, LG X Style).
Lenovo does not have a solid strategy with the Moto line. Until they admit to that fact, I'm not going to put my trust in them. It's your call whether you choose to do otherwise.
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That last paragraph I agree with you on. But everything else sounds like too much assumption and too little research. Although I didn't see the G4 play listed on Lenovo's support page, I see no reason why they wouldn't continue to support a device released in 2016.
I am very disappointed in their strategy with phones. I bought the G5 Plus because of its fantastic specs for $260 (price matched @ BB with Amazon). I wish they introduced a G5 play, but considering the strange (re)introduction of numerous Moto lines (E, X, and introduction of C) I can see why. But they're really confused. I really wish Google kept Motorola.. we'd have 7.1 already and 8.0 ASAP. A real shame that a great American brand got bought up by some Chinese PC manufacturers that should've refrained from entering the mobile arena on the first place.
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I tried, and I found nothing, so I asked here. Next time, when you don't know something, don't hide yourself behind sarcasm, it's a waste of such a good rhetorical device.
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Sd410 gives you around 28000 on antutu and sd425 around 35000.