I got a bit of an issue...no radio signal! - 8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading

Hey,
I got some problems(aside from those). i just bought the dopod housing for my cingular 8125 because my old housing was cracked in alot of places. did the whole swap no issues and afterwards i cant seem to get a radio signal. now for anyone who hasn't looked yet there is a strip that is located under the antenna cover that connects to the antenna pins and that (as far as i can see) is touching fine. during the swap i did not touch the antenna itself.
now before anyone thinks it i'll go ahead and let you know i did go through the frustrating process of movign everything back to where it was but nothing changed. i also (on my other pc) am trying to reload the radio rom i was using before to see if that will change anything. so i guess for right now i'm kinda looking for anyone who has faced the same scenario and how they solved it, just incase his doesn't work.

oooooookkkkk.... a bit scared.
my phone just cut off and now wont cut back on.i reloaded the radio rom and it didn't fix anything. then all of a sudden while i was resyncing the damned thing just cut off... WTF!?!

then all of a sudden while i was resyncing the damned thing just cut off... WTF!?!
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battery was charged to "full"?

yeah...
it was. the dmned thing has been F___ing wit me since yesterday.i even used my wife's MDA battery to test it and nothing. for the life of me i can't figure it out i tested the board to see if it shorted somewhere and it was good. i don't understand how it just messed up because i changed the housing?!? so what i might do is take it to the cingular store and have them use the more advanced tests and check it on the energy output to see what happened but if that don't work i might just upgrade my wife's contract(something i've been avoiding) and get the 8525(a hermes, i know) and start over.
but if worst comes to worst i have a question...which is better overall in size,function, and ease of modification? is it the hermes, the titan or the wizard?

in response to your pm...
take the device apart again,clean all the boards and the cables ends[use alcohol only in the cables ends,use a make-up brush to clean the boards cranys etc]...put it back together again very carefully....also do not overtigh the screws or undertigh...good luck....
as for your question above the best device to customize now is the hermes....but i would wait for the hermes II
REGARDS

Be careful with the static!! It may easily kill some IC's!!
There's a reason why the Service Manuals show pictures of people handling phones with gloves... (amongst other equipment)
cheers

mestrini said:
Be careful with the static!! It may easily kill some IC's!!
There's a reason why the Service Manuals show pictures of people handling phones with gloves... (amongst other equipment)
cheers
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good point..forgot that...

i doubt it cause...
i used a wrist static dispencer, trust i know better than to go without one....the user name actually discribes me

Wat R Tha Odds...
alright folks here's the skinny. my 8125 fried, aparently somehow i had enough static to discharge and kill my IC ( yes you guys were right and i thank you for it) and now i guess one option available to me is to get the board replaced (firstly aquiring some static resistant gloves ) does anyone have an idea on where to go for a new board or a good condition used one and roughly the dent to pocket it would be?

ok, couple of things...
Been doing some HW and have a question... just to make sure is the cingular 8525 hermes or titan, or is it that the hermes IS in fact the titan? if someone could answer that in definate it would greately be appreciated. And secondly seeing i decided to get the 8525 not being able to find a motherboard i am selling my 8125. please see the post "BUY/SELL a broken Wizard! Protect our dying breed" for details.

A hermes is a Tytn and a Titan is a different HTC phone. A little confusing, but they are spelled differently.

alright....class summary
so the Cingular 8525 is a hermes, which is a tytn(am i good so far?) which is totally different from the TITAN. SO i need to start reading and studying the tytn and not the titan. Gotcha....i think?

Lol yep, I think. I have a kaiser that should be on it's way to me any day now and it's a Tytn II, but not a Titan II or even a hermes II.

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any white screen issues with Kaiser?

thinking of upgrading my 8525. Has the white screen/ Dpad issues been fixed in the Kaiser?
The problem in the Hermes was the PCB front keyboard,
And in the Kaiser its totally different hardware.
So I am quite sure it is not a Kaiser problem.
Also, I have not heard or read abut people complaining abut this problem in the Kaiser.
You are not referring to something like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=352486 ....?
michi123 said:
You are not referring to something like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=352486 ....?
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It does not look like the Hermes problem.
in the Hermes the screen become white and you can not see nothing.
but I could be wrong.
I just had this exact thing happen to me tonight on my Tilt. I'll be calling AT&T in the morning for a replacement.
The 8525 was prone to this problem more than other devices as it does in a proportion of cases have a particular problem with the d-pad connection. All devices can get this problem if the screen connector comes loose. However, most devices, the Kaiser 8925 included, does not show this issue any more than you might expect across the thousands sold. So, you will see the odd report of a white screen issue on a Kaiser or two, but personally I would not let this put me off buying one.
Mike
Bumping a really old thread...
A friend of mine has a Kaiser (Att Tilt) that is doing the exact problem that the Hermes had (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321163). As a long time Hermes user I know this White Screen of Death problems well, and am bummed to see this happen to the Kaiser.
From searching the Kaiser threads it appears no one else is reporting this problem. Before I suggest he takes the device apart to pad areas... just wanted to check if anyone has done this before?

Upgarde from Vario 2 to Vario 3 yes or no?

Hi
i currently own a Vario 2 from Tmobile, had it about 18 months now and more than happy with it.
The question is, is it worth upgrading to a Vario 3. i have read some of this forum and seems to be a lot of negative views on the Vario 3.
So should i upgrade or just sit with my Vario 2?
the only reason would be if you needed integrated GPS...
In any other cases : NO
I dont really need a seperate GPS as i have a full tomtom.
so i guess the vario 3 does not add much more to the choice then.
more ram, more rom, larger storage capabilities.... its not just the gps chip
I would agree on the whole stability issue. My hermes was a nightmare for the whole 18 months i owned it. Soft resets several times a day, occaisonal spontaneous hard resets, crashes for no reason, sleep of death, non-functioning touch screen...the list goes on.
But the tytn 2 (which i do own) is a crippled platform (video drivers) and you may well find that waiting for something like the imate 9502 (if it ever comes) would be better.
I just bought one (but didnt have the II before to compare) and I have to say its far surpassed my hopes and expectations... so far that is... lol... I did and do own an Acer N50 premium pda and that I had to soft reset often and while the screen was a little larger the III is more clear and vibrant... all in all you wouldnt be going wrong getting one.
Yes forgetting the driver issue the Kaiser is better phone. Like Mike said much better feel and more stable. The extra RAM was really why I upgraded from Hermes and I am happy with it over all. I dont want to bring the driver thing to this thread also, but I wish HTC would do something about these issues. These days putting a unfinished product to the market is one thing, but saying we aint going to fix this is another.
I guess it comes down to how much you would have to pay. If you get a good deal and good price from your old phone why not.
I only use the office apps email etc. I dont use the camera, play games, watch video or use even the gps.
My heavyest use could be like: writing a new email, Word and Ecxel open for copying something for the email and i get a call, all in the same time. This is when i dont want my phone to crash and Kaiser is been working great for this type of use.
tsadek said:
But the tytn 2 (which i do own) is a crippled platform (video drivers)
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Is it actually any worse that previous model in this respect though? As in, can it be lived with considering the fact you no longer have to:
tsadek said:
Soft resets several times a day, occaisonal spontaneous hard resets, crashes for no reason, sleep of death, non-functioning touch screen...the list goes on.
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Personally I would put up with lag to some degree if it meant I no longer had to soft reset several times a day and risked loosing everything with a random hard reset...do you know how long it takes to re-install and re-configure these blooming things!
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Ido you know how long it takes to re-install and re-configure these blooming things!
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5 Minutes to be exact. sprite backup has made restoring a matter of minutes rather than hours. I do alot of testing with my TYTN II being an MS beta tester plus beta testing for a few other companies I have to do hard resets to change configuration. I have about 6 different backups on mine used for different tests but to hard reset its a breeze. sprite backup is well worth using (plug not intended)
I've been using Vario II for quite a long time. I had only issues with TomTom on the stock WM5 ROM. From the first cooked WM6 ROMs I've been quite happy. Nevertheless, I decided to change for Vario III. And I don't regret.
It's slimmer, I do feel that 128MB Ram make a difference.
There are 2 things I don't like. First one, I cannot use it as a torch when goin down the stairs to the loo in the middle of the night and that ****e quality rubber covering the microsd slot. After a few card swaps it looks as if it had been used for a year, not 2 weeks. If it was made from harder plastic, everything would be ok.
Steve-C said:
Is it actually any worse that previous model in this respect though? As in, can it be lived with considering the fact you no longer have to:
Personally I would put up with lag to some degree if it meant I no longer had to soft reset several times a day and risked loosing everything with a random hard reset...do you know how long it takes to re-install and re-configure these blooming things!
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Its a tough one especially as i have a friend who owns a hermes and never has any problems with it.
Knowing what I know now I would probably not upgrade and wait a bit and see what appears in the next 6 months as well continue to pester orange for a properly functioning handset.
That said the Kaiser is VERY liveable with and does what i ask of it but the slowdowns are noticeable and quite disappointing.
I too have a Vario II from T-Mobile. Worlds worse phone by far. Mine's been back for repair twice. Keeps crashing, buttons lock up. Last time it went back because every time it crashed (twice a day) you had to reboot it. Then the alarm clock would go off for 40 minutes on vibrate and speaker and couldn't be stopped with out taking the battery out.
Totally fed up with this horrible phone. I was so fed up I put the phone in the microwave to trash the system board so T-Mobile had to give me a new one.
Got the phone yesterday and it crashed... pressed reset on the bottom with the stylus. This morning phones locked up again while selecting a ring tone. Argh....... I want my Nokia 9300 communicator back.
I'd love the Nokia E90. HSDPA and it has a good reputation.
I've an iPAQ 2790 with a 624Mhz cpu and 256Mb ram so I really don't need this thing from T-Mobile. Maybe ebaying it is the solution to my problems.
forgot to mention the new vario II back from T-Mobile has windows mobile 6 on it. Just as rubbish on this phone as windows mobile 5.
I personally find the Vario II with WM6 on it very stable. There is no comparison with WM5 - now I reset it more out of habit than any need. There are some issues but nothing that causes me real problems.
Having had both a Kaiser (on loan) and a Hermes for the last 4 months having to pay for an upgrade or going through loads of fuss to get one is not really worth the extras the Kaiser has over the Hermes.
A fresh user I would tell to get the Kaiser ofcourse.
Id also add that the vast majority of users in the Hermes section and from the people I know who use them havent had such extreme issues as soft resets daily and random Hard resets, most of the issues people encounter are due to 3rd party apps conflicting with eachother.
The driver issue with the kaiser is a pretty poor point personally since I tend to use coreplayer quite alot and the playback on the Hermes is flawless.
Id say if you already have a hermes then the added extras on the kaiser aint really enough to justify an upgrade (since knowing HTC a TyTN III or something like is soon around the corner), but for a brand new user its worth getting one.
I had a VarioII for 18 months before upgrading to a VarioIII, and I know exactly this dilemma.
Does the VarioIII have enough to persuade you to ditch the II?
My answer is yes - but with qualifications.
I had the BT GPS/TomTom/powered car kit setup on my VarioII, so the in-built GPS is of value. My TT Navigator software installed with no fuss on the VarioIII, and that is more stable (I had occasional hang ups in TT6 which hitting OK then opening the TT6 dsoftware again alays got past). Its behaved flawlessly in this regard, even though the GPS unit isnt as good as my BT SirfStarIII unit its certainly up to the job.
Like others have said, the extra RAM seems to make a huge difference to performance - very few soft resets and NO hard resets in the month I've had the phone. Also, I had the classic VarioII "screen align drift" issue, and I've not had to recalibrate once with the VarioIII yet.
My biggest issue is with the screen slide going the "wrong" way. It just seems daft. This means putting the stylus away with the screen in landscape is now a left handed function and damn fiddly, and dont get me started on where the scroll wheel is now! It used to be so easy to roll with your thumb in landscape mode - now its a right index finger job, and is behind the open screen. Poor decision, HTC.
I flashed my VarioII to WM6 via the t-mobile website, and that has performed better since, so maybe a VarioIII isnt a necessary purchase. However, I'm enjoying mine, and that is the best acid test of all.
Good luck.

kaiser repair problem

so i cracked my LCD a couple weeks back..today i recieved a replacment LCD from htclcd.com ...followed the instructions from the site..now i turn on my phone..and everything works perfectly..exept it cant find a signal anymore...seems to recognize the sim card...everything else works fine..just no signal...where could the problem lie? any suggestions? thanks in advance!
I would be very suprised if the lcd has caused this issue, have you tried a manual network selection yet?
It is likely that you have accidently disconnected or damaged antenna or connection to the antenna. I'd try to disassemble, examine visually that all parts are OK and reassemble the phone.
thats that i was thinking..but i dont know where the antenna is located in the phone so i dont even know where to begin to look
Hi stolli,
please let me know if you could repair your phone I have the same breakdown for the same reasons.
thank you
is there a way to replace the keyboard or fix the problem somehow?
It may just be the Keyboard FPC connector is not inserted firmly enough. See pages 21 and 33 of the manual.
www.mikechannon.net
Mike
Hi, it seems that all lugs looks good, but it is not easy to see if contacts are OK, Wlan, GPS, Bluetooth are OK but not GSM
I tried to connect via VOIP, voip is connected but i always have no services??????
green led is flashing, is it for GSM, wifi or dial?
stephlight said:
Hi, it seems that all lugs looks good, but it is not easy to see if contacts are OK, Wlan, GPS, Bluetooth are OK but not GSM
I tried to connect via VOIP, voip is connected but i always have no services??????
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did you insert the lugs from the battery side first? the contacts are the gold pieces...if they are intact they should be fine..when you put the tilt backtogether did you put it together firmly, tighting all the bolts? also make sure flight mode isnt on
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did you insert the lugs from the battery side first? the contacts are the gold pieces...
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Yes, I also slightly recovered "lugs" that looks a bit twisted.
Do you with one is used for GSM?
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also make sure flight mode isnt on
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I changed several times mode phone to flight to test the line but still nothing.
I will work in Paris tomorrow, I'll test the gsm signal will be better , but on my other phone with the same Sim all is good.
Thanks.
the reason why the lugs are neceassy is to hold the casing firmly down so the gold connecters touch...make sure that the casing is tightened firmly down..and maybe lift the gold connecters on the main casing a little bit so they stick out more (thats what i did)..make sure not to break them tho..
The problem must come an other part, the lugs are good.
I had great difficulty connect to GSM in Paris yesterday.
I have disassembled it again checked and reassembled but nothing new.
thanks for your help.
Hello
I killed my Kaiser by flashing a Touch Diamond ROM to it.
Sent it to repair service and they say the Mainboard needs to be replaced,but the price for repair is ultragious .
I realy need the device,it was a big help in my confused life style.
Can anyone tell me how can i fix it myself. Or where i can buy a mainboard. Or where can i send the device to repair for a cheaper service?
Thanks in advance for all your help guys.
Some of the keys on my keyboard are dead, any clue? Disassembled several times with no luck...
Doh... looks like the keys are gone.
WOW! It works, when I gave up! Ironic! DD
Ok, so if there happens to be others with the same issue.
Make sure when you connect the golden keyboard connector that the black thin line on it gets positioned exactly where the brown lock ends.

dumb question...looks like 2 external 2 gps antenna ports?

I dont have the phone here (its the gf's) but when i had the battery cover off it looked like there were 2 identical ports next to each other. one is labeled GPS on the back cover but the other doesnt open to the back cover. whats that one for? is that for an external wifi antenna? that'd be tits!
also, does anyone know if the current 3D driver plays nicely with the 6.1 update from AT&T? i dont see THAT rom mentioned on the class action website.
now some other questions...
any time frame for a 2D driver?
how long till theres a nice linux distro that'll run on it (i know the cpu is relatively weak compared to even lowend desktop and mobile cpu's that linux currently runs on)
and finally...how drop tolerant is it? my gf has butter-fingers sometimes and doesnt keep it in a case (imma kill her for that one). i'd like if it survived till she got tired of it or till its outdated enough that she moves on...because then i get to play with it ALL i want. i'd LOVE a nice portable internet device with gps capability for free, but will it ever be bootable without a sim card or a calling plan? i hope that oneday it will be!
huzudra said:
I dont have the phone here (its the gf's) but when i had the battery cover off it looked like there were 2 identical ports next to each other. one is labeled GPS on the back cover but the other doesnt open to the back cover. whats that one for? is that for an external wifi antenna? that'd be tits!
also, does anyone know if the current 3D driver plays nicely with the 6.1 update from AT&T? i dont see THAT rom mentioned on the class action website.
now some other questions...
any time frame for a 2D driver?
how long till theres a nice linux distro that'll run on it (i know the cpu is relatively weak compared to even lowend desktop and mobile cpu's that linux currently runs on)
and finally...how drop tolerant is it? my gf has butter-fingers sometimes and doesnt keep it in a case (imma kill her for that one). i'd like if it survived till she got tired of it or till its outdated enough that she moves on...because then i get to play with it ALL i want. i'd LOVE a nice portable internet device with gps capability for free, but will it ever be bootable without a sim card or a calling plan? i hope that oneday it will be!
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The 2nd port is for the cell phone antanna I here that if you use it, it can sometimes get stuck and cause you to have to always use an external antanna to get service
Im an electrician and the 1st day I got my phone I was on top of a 5' latter and the case got hung on something and opend causeing the phone to drop about 7' to a tile floor,dident hurt mine (thank god) but I wouldent recommend droping it the screens are fragile
I dont think anyone knows if or when were getting the 2d drivers
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The 2nd port is for the cell phone antanna I here that if you use it, it can sometimes get stuck and cause you to have to always use an external antanna to get service
Im an electrician and the 1st day I got my phone I was on top of a 5' latter and the case got hung on something and opend causeing the phone to drop about 7' to a tile floor,dident hurt mine (thank god) but I wouldent recommend droping it the screens are fragile
I dont think anyone knows if or when were getting the 2d drivers
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thanks for the fast reply and your drop sounds like it was pretty harsh. by zeus himself im going to get her a case. she works in cars all day and leaves it in her pocket or out on the workbench, the camera glass is already all scratched to hell from her pocket. i swear she makes problems for me to fix them...
speaking of, when i updated it to wm 6.1 i had made a backup using sprite, then i restored the backup after the wm6.1 update. well i did a dum dum and restored EVERYTHING the backup saved! so this caused all kinds of errors and problems and she was very pissed and instead of letting me fix it...she drove 30 minutes in the rain to the att store with me being pulled behind her by my ear (almost literally). some chubby guy played with the phone for about 45 minutes and then said 'i've never seen this before, its totally broke. the wm6.1 update you installed wasnt compatible' i told him it was the official one from the att website to which he said 'yea well its not for THIS device, you'll need to send it in for warranty'...yea OK. so NOW my gf is STEAMED! we go to get some chinese takeout. while waiting the 15 minutes i do a hard reset and only restore the contacts list. i hand her the phone and say 'the warranty dept is done with your phone ma'am'
she likes 6.1 much better and with some tweaks from kaiser tweak it runs pretty quick! the only thing that still pains me is the page tearing due to lack of 2d driver

What happened to my radio?

OK I have been using my N1 for almost 2yrs now. I love it, but out of nowhere the connections on bluetooth, wifi, 3G, and occasionally cellular drop. Coincidentally it happened when 2.3.6 was released and I refused (updated since no change) the update. When I use my bluetooth headset I'm told I sound like I am underwater. I installed CM7 thinking that would solve it (maybe it's a stock ROM issue) but it was still the same. I can put my phone next to the router and still show (1bar) a poor connection .
OK so what can I do to fix this? I don't want to purchase a new phone (besides this glitch it looks mint) right now. Also I don't really have the cash for it either. Someone said the antenna may be loose (don't know how that would happen) and I could open it up and fix it.
Now you all Mod software but has anyone actually opened up an N1 and is there really a way to tighten the antenna? Please let me know if anyone else has had this issue or is there a way to test for a solution.
Thanks
A little more info
Was just on a cell call and noticed that the green cellular indicator turned white (no idea if that's related) it is back to green now and full. However this seems to be a pattern of being green 3G and Cell strength to white. Hope that provides so more info to someone trying to help me.
Green/white is an indication of connection to Google servers, nothing else.
Radio is only responsible for 3G data, bluetooth and WiFi are completely different entities and aren't related to radio. If you're experiencing bad reception - most probably your antenna contacts need cleaning or are misplaced, open the lower cover (not the battery one) and look there (this cover IS the antenna - just don't know which one).
Special tools?
Jack_R1 said:
Green/white is an indication of connection to Google servers, nothing else.
Radio is only responsible for 3G data, bluetooth and WiFi are completely different entities and aren't related to radio. If you're experiencing bad reception - most probably your antenna contacts need cleaning or are misplaced, open the lower cover (not the battery one) and look there (this cover IS the antenna - just don't know which one).
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OK found a teardown on youtube of the Nexus one so I understand the antenna is on the bottom. However it looks like they used a special tool to open the case on the bottom. Where would I get that? Also considering I paid for it outright (yep unsubsidized direct from Google); even if I'm out of warranty would you recommend (if this is something more complicated) I send it to HTC for repair? Someone else said the Broadcom chip may have gone bad if both the wifi and bluetooth seem to stop working or have poor reception. Not sure if that seems correct since if it went bad I would think it wouldn't work at all but before I make tool marks trying to take it apart I figured I'd ask.
I'm not sure the repair will be worth it, financially.
If you want to open the lower part of the case - you may only need a small flat screwdriver and good hands, to avoid scratching the surface.
Something else now
OK now voice dial command isn't working when I hold the bluetooth button. Maybe indeed it is the chip. I was able to take off the plastic cover but I need to get a T5 screw driver (lol for some reason smallest I have is T6) so I will get one tomorrow and see how it goes. There is one more cover to remove and put back on. Financially since I paid full price I'm not sure why it's not worth fixing? I figured HTC would charge around $100 for a repair. Which is less than going price for a new (i.e. Galaxy Nexus II) phone . Also I haven't seen any new phones with a trackball (which I love for the notifications and when I need precise movement) so I really don't want a new phone till they add something like an optical trackball or improve precision on finger location. Also I might get lucky if the credit card I purchased it on will cover a repair (they double warranties) and I still have a few months left.
Nope!
Jack_R1 said:
I'm not sure the repair will be worth it, financially.
If you want to open the lower part of the case - you may only need a small flat screwdriver and good hands, to avoid scratching the surface.
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OK got the required tools and took it apart (both covers on the bottom) and then re-assembled it back, making sure I seated the vibrator motor back carefully. Turned on the wifi and still have same issue. So guess my phone is broke further than I can repair it. Thanks for your advice but unless there is software to check that chip it looks like only option is HTC.
Yes, looks like it might be damaged beyond the home repairs capability.
Financially - If I were you, instead of spending $100 on Nexus One repair, I'd sell it for parts for $70 or so, added the $100 you wanted to spend on the repair, and bought a used MT4G in good condition. You'll lose colored trackball (and get a trackpad - which, if you use Sense ROMs that this phone runs perfectly, will be absolutely useless), but gain WAY better phone, in just about every aspect you can think of. The same applies to any phone you can get for cheap from "outdated" MSM8x55 family - Desire HD/Desire Z/G2/Desire S (some of them aren't compatible with T-Mobile frequencies, put attention). I know this from first hand experience, since until recently I had 3 of them - Nexus One, MT4G, and Desire S for my wife. Guess which phone did I get rid of?
But - just in case you'll want to follow this advice and settle specifically on MT4G - make sure you read MT4G forums thoroughly before you do. There are 2 weak points for MT4G - the screen (more important) and the eMMC chip (less important, but still counts). Both can come in 2 variations, better and worse. Make sure you choose the better.

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