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Where is all the RAM???

I just got my Diamond, all is well, but I'm shocked to find out how much RAM and internal storage I have.
The phone is supposed to have 192 MB RAM, 256 MB Internal Storage.
After boot all I have is RAM: 113 MB, Internal Storage : 84 MB
60% of these are already full at the first bootup.
This is shocking. Even my Elfin had more... This is so disappointing...

aydc said:
I just got my Diamond, all is well, but I'm shocked to find out how much RAM and internal storage I have.
The phone is supposed to have 192 MB RAM, 256 MB Internal Storage.
After boot all I have is RAM: 113 MB, Internal Storage : 84 MB
60% of these are already full at the first bootup.
This is shocking. Even my Elfin had more... This is so disappointing...
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Sure it wasnt used?
Do a hard reset and choose second option.
Backup your data first though

These are the values after the first time I booted up the device, after taking it right out of the package.
What are your values?

Mine was similar on firsst boot as well.

aydc said:
These are the values after the first time I booted up the device, after taking it right out of the package.
What are your values?
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RAM: 192MB
FLASH: 256 MB
INTERNAL: 3832.48MB
STORAGE: 85MB

Darthbane2k: Is all of that RAM usable?
When I look at the device manager, those are the values that I see too but you can't use most of it.
However, go to settings>memory and tell me what you see there...

1. search
2. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402747&highlight=memory

aydc said:
Darthbane2k: Is all of that RAM usable?
When I look at the device manager, those are the values that I see too but you can't use most of it.
However, go to settings>memory and tell me what you see there...
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STORAGE: 85.44 Total / 50.42 in use
PROGRAM 113.07 total / 84.36 in use

Where is all the memory?

Hello all,
I have the Rogers Wireless HTC Touch Diamond, which is advertised with 192 MB RAM, 256 MB ROM and 4 GB internal storage.
When viewing the memory page via Settings-->System (or the drop down menu on the Today screen), it shows total storage memory to be 91.8 MB and total program memory to be 115.0 MB. This doesn't add up to either of the amounts of advertised memory.
I was curious if anyone knows which portion of the memory this information represents - i.e. the RAM or ROM - and where you can find the usage information of the other. I understand the basic concept of RAM vs. ROM, but neither of these figures add up to the advertised 192 MB RAM or 256 MB ROM.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Regards,

Rom
All your data is stored in flash and the flash is not erased if your battery runs flat.
This is called persistent storage.
Flash space in the Pocket PC is split between storage and ROM.
The amount of data or programs you install is limited by the amount of free storage (flash) on your device.
Storage in flash is not compressed.
Due to this design, programs that are installed / stored in flash are copied to RAM to be executed - they occupy twice the space.
The directory of data stored in the boot ROM is merged with the storage flash so the user sees the file system as one.
If a file in the boot ROM is replaced by a file in storage flash the storage flash file is used.
RAM
RAM is dedicated to running programs.
If you attempt to run multiple programs that are "hogs", they may not run or the operating system may close some of them.
The memory management for programs flushes pages of programs that are no longer needed, thus optimizing the use of RAM in the system for other programs to execute.
RAM Cache for Flash Storage
A portion of the RAM is used as a write cache to increase the performance of the mobile device when writing to the flash.
This RAM cache is fixed in size by the OEM and the RAM is not usable for any other purpose.
So before performing a soft reset or removing the battery you must turn the unit off and wait 5-10 seconds. If you fail to do this you may corrupt your internal flash storage.
Condensed by mikechannon from Windows Mobile 5.0 Memory Management Op cit: Chris De Herrera
Mike

Thanks for the reply, Mike; that's some really good info. However, I still don't understand why my memory page is only accounting for 92 MB (storage) + 115 MB (program) when there's supposed to be 192 MB + 256 MB (as listed in the Diamond specs). Where's the balance? I've attached an image for clarification.
Any insight into this would be much appreciated.
Regards,

Out of the 192MB ram (program), 64MB is dedicated GPU (video) memory. So in fact usable ram is around 128mb.
Out of the 256MB Rom, usually about 80-100mb can be attributed to the ROM image (firmware) of the phone and especially since you're is branded (rogers), there are pre-installed goodies (ya right) that are taking up your space as well.
For your reference my phone shows the following:
Storage
Total: 105.17mb
In Use: 82.54mb
Free: 22.63mb
Program:
Total 107.02mb
In use: 76.67MB
Free: 30.35MB
Keep in mind that i'm on a custom ROM so the numbers will be a little off right off the bat.

Perfect! That's the info I was after. I had a feeling the 'missing' memory was attributed to something like this, but now it's all cleared up.
Thanks again.

[SOLVED] How to increase device storage space on X1?

Hallo everyone,I am stuck in a problem for a long time,As you know,X1'ROM is 512 MB,but my device storage space is always about 200 MB though my rom file is usually smaller than 100MB,I thought it should be about 512-100≈400 MB or some Left,I wonder Where does the missing 400-200=200MB space go?and need a way can solve this,THX
Finally I get the reason,Because i use OSBuilder to create Imgfs.bin,and now I use ImgfsFromDump,It is OK now,thanks all the same!

Hmm, I think device memory is slip into 2 sections... 1 is Storage, 1 is Program... Maybe i wrong, but if u should check that in ur X1, Settings---> SD card and Phone Storage.
U will see that there are 2 section for all, Device and SD card, and Device has 2 sections that are Total storage and Total Program.
Hope u understand my English, I'm learning Eng now, so i still practice it

It depends on rom what you are using. The rom file (nbh) is compress so the decompressed size is about 2 times larger. And people usually use the cutomization what starts after rom update. It also uses some space. Just do a hard reset and see how much space is used.
So yes the 200MB is believable.

Shady313 said:
It depends on rom what you are using. The rom file (nbh) is compress so the decompressed size is about 2 times larger. And people usually use the cutomization what starts after rom update. It also uses some space. Just do a hard reset and see how much space is used.
So yes the 200MB is believable.
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thanks for your relpy , And Maybe I did'nt describe it well , I mean when I cooked a rom that is 100 MB then they storage space is 200MB , When rom is 80 MB ,the storage is still 200MB , even 60 MB, no space increase or decrease when rom is smaller or bigger,that's the problem

[Q] RAM - ROM - FLASH: Big problems with memory!

Hello everyone,
My saga in switching from WM to Android continues.
I'm having a the "course" on Milestone...
Unfortunately, I think I have major weaknesses in the management of memory, certainly the Achilles heel of the stone. Although I would like you on this, finally, a comment following a hot discussion on a forum between myself and the supporters of the new Nokia E7.
The problem
ROM installed: 2.4 FroyoMOD
Trusting in App2SD, I have installed a lot fo applications, till a point where every installation finishes with "Application not installed", without any additional indication.
I removed some apps and after the software allowed me to put new ones.
Now it is again locked.
Using QUICK INFO SYSTEM I get this data:
SD CARD STORAGE
Total: 7.41GB, Free: 4.24 GB
A2SD STORAGE
Total: 62MB, Free: 17MB
But x 'A2SD has a limit?? The limit should not be the MemoryCard??
Internal Storage
Total: 197MB, Free: 130MB
STORAGE SYSTEM
Total: 176MB, Free: 5MB
This makes me worry about ... just not often drops below 5!
CACHE SYSTEM
Total: 106MB, Free: 160kB
Eye, the second entry is in kilobytes!
MEMORY
Total: 225MB, Free: 38.6 MB, Idle: 7.8 MB
Now, I have some parameters to the limit, and I can understand the frequent reboots, and the closure of some programs that automatically launch.
Now the question is: what are all these memories that that the program gives to me? And how do I free up space for continue using your device?
I tell you the installed applications are about thirty, I do not seem a huge amount.
Now, the question of Nokia: the E7 has only 256 MB of RAM like Milestone (but costs 629 €). Nokia users said to me that there was no problem because the handheld uses very efficiently the SWAP on memorycard.
And Android? Android can also use this technique? Or are we really hung up the physical RAM?
Thank you all for your help.

RobyMax1 said:
A2SD STORAGE
Total: 62MB, Free: 17MB
But x 'A2SD has a limit?? The limit should not be the MemoryCard??
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If u use app2sd with ext2 partition on card, then the limit is a space of ext2 partition
STORAGE SYSTEM
Total: 176MB, Free: 5MB
This makes me worry about ... just not often drops below 5!
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It's a space in phone for apk installed by you (widgets, games etc)
Now, the question of Nokia: the E7 has only 256 MB of RAM like Milestone (but costs 629 €). Nokia users said to me that there was no problem because the handheld uses very efficiently the SWAP on memorycard.
And Android? Android can also use this technique? Or are we really hung up the physical RAM?
Thank you all for your help.
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Android can do that, because it is *nix, but Motorola has blocked bootloader. Maybe someday Motorola will free Milestone's bootloader (or somebody brake bootloader security) then we will have a custom kernels with enbaled swap partition. But now it's impossible, because of Motorola's policy.

adamz667 said:
If u use app2sd with ext2 partition on card, then the limit is a space of ext2 partition
I've froyomod 2.4...and I don't know nothing about ext2...how can I check if I've this partition?
It's a space in phone for apk installed by you (widgets, games etc)
So, what can I do to improve this amount of memory?
Or I can Install only few apps :""( ?
Android can do that, because it is *nix, but Motorola has blocked bootloader. Maybe someday Motorola will free Milestone's bootloader (or somebody brake bootloader security) then we will have a custom kernels with enbaled swap partition. But now it's impossible, because of Motorola's policy.
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Tnx so much!

[Q] Memory Shown Less

Hello,
The RAM shown in my Nexus6 is
Code:
Total: 2970MB
Available 1332MB (45%)
Java Heap: 256MB
The Total RAM 2970MB is shown in the apps CPU-Z and Droid Info. Why the value is lesser than 3GB (3072MB) ? There should be a technical reason for that. Please let me know. Thanks.

Yep, the difference is allocated to a bunch of other hardware blocks, like the MODEM.

doitright said:
Yep, the difference is allocated to a bunch of other hardware blocks, like the MODEM.
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okay, I also have learned from the internet that the difference is held by the GPU, which the OS is not aware of. So the Total: 2970MB shows the available memory and not the installed memory, Correct ?

aniyan.rajan6 said:
okay, I also have learned from the internet that the difference is held by the GPU, which the OS is not aware of. So the Total: 2970MB shows the available memory and not the installed memory, Correct ?
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Yes. Boot to bootloader and it will will tell you what brand and size ram and memory is installed in device.

Also the storage space shows 54.6GB instead of 64GB. Is it because of the reserved space allocated, when the filesystem is formatted to ext4 ?

aniyan.rajan6 said:
Also the storage space shows 54.6GB instead of 64GB. Is it because of the reserved space allocated, when the filesystem is formatted to ext4 ?
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That is minus the system and other partitions reserved for firmware and the OS.

prdog1 said:
That is minus the system and other partitions reserved for firmware and the OS.
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But it takes almost 10GB of space, which is huge. I think it is good that I have brought a 64GB version.

aniyan.rajan6 said:
But it takes almost 10GB of space, which is huge. I think it is good that I have brought a 64GB version.
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This is why you always buy as much memory as can afford.

prdog1 said:
Also the storage space shows 54.6GB instead of 64GB. Is it because of the reserved space allocated, when the filesystem is formatted to ext4 ?
That is minus the system and other partitions reserved for firmware and the OS.
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If the remaining space (64GB - 54.6GB) is used by the OS and firmware, then what does the Available Storage mean ?
The Available Storage shows 49.88GB (91%). I mean there is one more difference: 54.6GB - 49.88GB. Please clarify. Thanks.

aniyan.rajan6 said:
If the remaining space (64GB - 54.6GB) is used by the OS and firmware, then what does the Available Storage mean ?
The Available Storage shows 49.88GB (91%). I mean there is one more difference: 54.6GB - 49.88GB. Please clarify. Thanks.
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os and firmware + extra for future updates takes up the first 10 giving you 54. Available is your userdata. Anything less that 54 is what you put on it.

prdog1 said:
os and firmware + extra for future updates takes up the first 10 giving you 54. Available is your userdata. Anything less that 54 is what you put on it.
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okay, When I brought this phone the Available Storage was 51GB, without adding any data by me. So I think something else has taken space from the 54GB (54 - 51 = 3GB).
Then I added some music files and the Available Storage is 49.88GB now.

aniyan.rajan6 said:
But it takes almost 10GB of space, which is huge. I think it is good that I have brought a 64GB version.
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Not 10 GB, no. The difference is less.
In software, 64 GB is 64x1024 Bytes x 1024 KB x 1024 MB.
In hardware, 64 GB is 64x1000 x 1000 x 1000.
Because there is now a difference in what hardware manufacturers call a GB, they tried to rename the true software GB to be GiB instead (though generally I refuse to do this).
So to work out how many GB of software data you can get in a 64 GB hardware disk, use the maths below.
64 x 1000 x 1000 x 1000, / 1024 /1024 /1024 = 59.6 GB
So a 64 GB anything is only really 59 GB.
Then as mentioned, that is partitioned into /system, /cache, /data etc

danarama said:
Not 10 GB, no. The difference is less.
In software, 64 GB is 64x1024 Bytes x 1024 KB x 1024 MB.
In hardware, 64 GB is 64x1000 x 1000 x 1000.
Because there is now a difference in what hardware manufacturers call a GB, they tried to rename the true software GB to be GiB instead (though generally I refuse to do this).
So to work out how many GB of software data you can get in a 64 GB hardware disk, use the maths below.
64 x 1000 x 1000 x 1000, / 1024 /1024 /1024 = 59.6 GB
So a 64 GB anything is only really 59 GB.
Then as mentioned, that is partitioned into /system, /cache, /data etc
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Okay, So is 'Total Internal Storage: 54.64 GB' the size of the /system partition or /data partition ?
Thanks.

aniyan.rajan6 said:
Okay, So is 'Total Internal Storage: 54.64 GB' the size of the /system partition or /data partition ?
Thanks.
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Data.

aniyan.rajan6 said:
Okay, So is 'Total Internal Storage: 54.64 GB' the size of the /system partition or /data partition ?
Thanks.
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/data AKA userdata. This is where your apps go, where your settings are stored and where your sdcard is.

danarama said:
/data AKA userdata. This is where your apps go, where your settings are stored and where your sdcard is.
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So that 3 GB (54.64GB - 51GB) is used by the apps, I guess. So that is the reason why it was showing 'Available Storage: 51GB' at the beginning.
Thanks.

aniyan.rajan6 said:
So that 3 GB (54.64GB - 51GB) is used by the apps, I guess. So that is the reason why it was showing 'Available Storage: 51GB' at the beginning.
Thanks.
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When you get the phone new, when you boot it, some system settings will be stored in data. Also some things related to Android Run time.

aniyan.rajan6 said:
If the remaining space (64GB - 54.6GB) is used by the OS and firmware, then what does the Available Storage mean ?
The Available Storage shows 49.88GB (91%). I mean there is one more difference: 54.6GB - 49.88GB. Please clarify. Thanks.
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54.6 - 49.9 = 4.7
4.7 / 54.6 = 0.0861
0.0861 = 8.61%
8.61% rounded to the nearest percent = 9%
100 - 9 = 91.
Does that clarify it for you?