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Poor Gameplay with 2d games

Hi,
Has anyone else experienced poor/jerky gameplay with kaiser?
Seems to run fine for everything else but has trouble with the following games:
VT Pocket Tennis (old i know).
Pool Rebel
Seems slightly sluggish (although acceptable) with some of the other games in comparison to my tytn.
Can anyone make any suggestions for tweaks/tests?
Thanks

aqm5181 said:
Hi,
Has anyone else experienced poor/jerky gameplay with kaiser?
Seems to run fine for everything else but has trouble with the following games:
VT Pocket Tennis (old i know).
Pool Rebel
Seems slightly sluggish (although acceptable) with some of the other games in comparison to my tytn.
Can anyone make any suggestions for tweaks/tests?
Thanks
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if they are old games that could be the reason why, it doesn have support for GDI i think it is. have you tryed any emulators? GBA for example?
www.sunbug.net

Thanks for the speedy reply!
Pool Rebel is a new release but is still very sluggish. I have contacted their support team as it may just be that the game is not optimised for the cpu.
VT pocket tennis was designed for PPC2002! Used to work very well on my TYTN but is virtually unplayable on TYTN II.
Will I be able to use the emulator on games designed for PPC?

I'm not sure what is the problem, but I can comfirm that the graphic chipset integrated in MSM7200 is one of ATI Imageon product.
http://brew.qualcomm.com/bnry_brew/pdf/brew_2007/Tech-303_Ligon.pdf
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/3dgaming_brochure.pdf
from the data sheet, the performance should be said as good, so perhaps the new graphic chipset is not supported?

Maybe HTC has disabled most of the Video chipset functionality, they have a habit of disabling everything before launch! *Shakes fist*

It does also look like the graphic chipset has 3d hardware support but so far you cant take adventage of it with direct3d because it only has referance drivers which doesnt use any of the hardware. But once HTC releases drivers that take advantage of this hardware it should be one kick butt gaming device...

mmone3 said:
It does also look like the graphic chipset has 3d hardware support but so far you cant take adventage of it with direct3d because it only has referance drivers which doesnt use any of the hardware. But once HTC releases drivers that take advantage of this hardware it should be one kick butt gaming device...
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Just imagine the Touchflo cube interface with D3D. Mmm.

wow, page 5, what game is that???
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/3dgaming_brochure.pdf
looks so cool for a ppc game!

I just got my kaiser, upgraded from a 200 mhz prophet, big difference everywhere except gaming. I have pocketSNES a Super nintendo emulator, and it runs OK, but when you play with sound it lags quite a bit. I thought this device was suppposed to have pretty good graphics??

Some benchmarks
TyTn 2 graphic is slower than HTC Mogul
http://mymobile911.com/dnn2/bBenchmarkDatab/tabid/60/Default.aspx
TyTn 2 graphic is the fastest
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=442869&sid=2ddc04dc6332d94bdbb0a5dc00627b54

ksjulsen said:
I just got my kaiser, upgraded from a 200 mhz prophet, big difference everywhere except gaming. I have pocketSNES a Super nintendo emulator, and it runs OK, but when you play with sound it lags quite a bit. I thought this device was suppposed to have pretty good graphics??
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this is not because it has poor graphics or has trouble playing it, it's cause PocketSnes hasnt been updated in such a long time it doesnt even support the phone completely or support teh GFX driver. however, have you tried Morphgear?
http://soft.softoogle.com/ap/morphgear-download-5321.shtml

Yeah, I tried pool rebel too ... and damn, it is so slow
Any reply from their support?
Btw, any good game for this Kaiser? The one that is nice and fast.

Support have replied. They will be adding Direct X support for the game in future release although have not specified when. That should hopefully improve performance. I have tried the following games and they work well:
Flux Challenge
Sky Force
Sky Force Reloaded
Resco Guardians
Anthelion 2
Argentum
Explode Arena
KRally
Snails
SPB AirIslands
Stolen In 60 Seconds
Cheers

TytnII Vs Imate 9502

I have just been given a Imate 9502 on a plan( ok i have to pay for it over a period of time)and as this uses the same chipset as the the TytnII i thought this would be interesting, also keep in mind the Imate 9502 uses a 640x480 VGA screen..have completed some benchmarking using VSbenchmark..
Imate9502 TYTNII
Graphic test1 1717 1101
Other test2 1913 1875
Jpeg test3 3098 2323
Games test4 1099 1278
Sound test5 1944 0668
Total Score 1954 1449
Very interesting indeed, only score which TytnII wins on is the Games test.But as the 9502 is running at higher res than the TytnII and getting higher scores does this mean Imate have fixed the qualcomm issue????..
movie play back is a breeze stock... will run tests later using diff players

Just from those numbers I'm pretty sure nothing is really fixed. Check out the score difference from the P6500 to the Kaiser
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381254
I've seen variation even between Kaisers of a few hundred points just depending on ROMs, software and a myriad of little things that can affect the overall score.

Are you taking into account that the res is double that of the TytnII,also according to VSbenchmark's web page,the scores that the 9502 got are lil over mid way compared to a tytnII having a reported score of 1444 admitedly there was a KAISER on there with a slightly higher score but it still wasnt anywhere near the 9502.
The reason i reported the TytnII score and not the KAISER from VSbenchmark was MY TytnII got sim Scores.
Another point of interest is the 9502 has VGA out,which i hooked up to the phillips 50in LCD and works a treat.
also will down load SPD benchmark and will report those scores

Technically, the resolution is 4 times that of the Kaiser if you care comparing pixel count. There are 4 times as many pixels on a 640x480 screen than there is on a 320x240 screen.

Hi mav42,
Could you please report what free program memory (RAM) you get immediately after a soft reset. In some reviews I have read it is just over 32 MB which in my opinion is very low for a 128 MB installed device. For example my TyTn II gives close to 70 MB of free RAM immediately after a soft reset.
Shall be obliged for your response as I am seriously considering getting one myself but the memory issue is holding me back.
Regards

Are we sure that benchmark is even measuring the kind of stuff the Tytn II is known to be missing? I thought someone pointed out, the last time comparisons were drawn with these benchmarks, that the accelerated hardware wasn't actually being tested at all.
Someone (who knows what they're doing) needs to get hold of a rom for the 9502 and start analysing it... Chainfire, where art thou?

Boinng said:
Are we sure that benchmark is even measuring the kind of stuff the Tytn II is known to be missing? I thought someone pointed out, the last time comparisons were drawn with these benchmarks, that the accelerated hardware wasn't actually being tested at all.
Someone (who knows what they're doing) needs to get hold of a rom for the 9502 and start analysing it... Chainfire, where art thou?
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Im sorry Im just a idiot heres me thinking that both these devices use the same chipset doh....wait a minute they do.......all i did was compare these device's using the same benchmarks at the same time to see if there was any major diff,report it and work from there....and in this case there is a diff .also even if stated by Bong that these benchmarks dont measure accelerated hardware theres still a diff between these 2 devices using software rendition

mav42 said:
Im sorry Im just a idiot heres me thinking that both these devices use the same chipset doh....wait a minute they do.......all i did was compare these device's using the same benchmarks at the same time to see if there was any major diff,report it and work from there....and in this case there is a diff .also even if stated by Bong that these benchmarks dont measure accelerated hardware theres still a diff between these 2 devices using software rendition
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I meant no offence, sorry it appears I've caused some. My question was genuine - if the benchmark doesn't test the imageon features etc, then that would explain the relatively small difference in the tests, even if the 9502's video is miles better in use.
I'm well aware of the shared chipset, and that's why I'm so interested in a developer getting hold of the ROM and extracting any drivers they can.

Can you post a TCPMP or Core player video playback benchmark? Thanks

srmz said:
Hi mav42,
Could you please report what free program memory (RAM) you get immediately after a soft reset. In some reviews I have read it is just over 32 MB which in my opinion is very low for a 128 MB installed device. For example my TyTn II gives close to 70 MB of free RAM immediately after a soft reset.
Shall be obliged for your response as I am seriously considering getting one myself but the memory issue is holding me back.
Regards
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ok after doing a soft reset
total:84.41mb...........in use 50.26mb..........FREE 34.15mb
hope that helps

This is exactly why we need a 9502 section on here! From what I have read so far (only on mobile phone consumer forums mind, so no techies), the major issues are:
1. Complete lack of free RAM meaning only one or two apps can be run simultaneously.(Unconfirmed how much this issue is related to Telstra ROM/bloatware).
2. Is not natively SDHC compliant and although the WM6 SDHC drivers work, they disable the wifi functionality of the device.
Both of these things I think could be remedied by XDA-Dev geniuses.

I just want to know does the 9502 suffer from the I-hit-a-button-but-nothing-happens-unless-i-hold-it-down-for-a-few-seconds-then-it-clicks syndrom that the Tilt has?

starstreak said:
I just want to know does the 9502 suffer from the I-hit-a-button-but-nothing-happens-unless-i-hold-it-down-for-a-few-seconds-then-it-clicks syndrom that the Tilt has?
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I have not come accross this problem..........so far....

aww man. if that SOny X1 wasn't coming out, I would buy the 9502. That and not being VGA is my only complaint with the Tilt I have. I miss the VGA and I can't stand it how sometimes the screen or key just wont register presses unless you hold it down.

starstreak said:
aww man. if that SOny X1 wasn't coming out, I would buy the 9502.
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Sony X1 doesn't have a jogdial and OK button on left side, I guess all TyTN users got used to have that... 9502 does have those

Is there going to have a Imate 9502 Section?
I too holding a imate

I would really appreciate if somebody could post the XIP and some of the other graphics related dlls (DDI.dll, dependencies, etc). ROM dump would be nice.
So far, I have the 9502 ahi2dati.dll from some other thread and it's the same as the KS20 so that's a good comparison point, depending on how you want to look at it.

I would really appreciate if somebody could post the XIP and some of the other graphics related dlls (DDI.dll, dependencies, etc). ROM dump would be nice.
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Totally agree! if someone gives this dump would be very nice .
im also working on this and i need some dlls. XIP etc.
a ROM dump would be great!

overclock

hello ,i m a french
I want know if somebody overclock diamond with a soft, and, if yes, is there some problems, or not, accelerate the 3D flow, and other appli...
...thank s

Hello, almost neighborou, I am Czech. I have Diamond for one day, but I spend hours findong some info - here is shortly what I know: Yes, Diamond has some Graphic Drivers, but still nothing exciting yet. It seems that 3D drivers are much better than 2D here. If you want a proof, a can say that on TyTN 2 in some bench thay gave 140 FPS, but Diamond gave only 80! Of course TyTN had experimental drivers. This means that Diamond has big reserves in performance, and they are waiting to be used. The 7201A dualcore CPU is basicly high-end technology theoretcally much better than Xscale CPUs, but its bad optimalised. (I heared that new Google phone will have one, but I am not sure). Yes, CoreCodec can use QTv, but now it is almost clear that Diamond has moch more to offer from HW. So, Oc will not help you, only new ROM can. There are many great pople and many ROM´s, and there is also preassure on HTC to come with better drivers, and personally I think it will be bigger and bigger, due to Touch Pro. So just wait, it take some time, but I trust there will be more power than you need sometimes.

Anyone from Kaiser to Diamond ?

Hello, I'm a Kaiser owner and I'm thinking about going to the Diamond.
Can someone tell me how fast is the Diamond compared to the Kaiser ?
Can you play videos faster than the Kaiser do (with no lags) ?
Thanks !

dizzy33 said:
Hello, I'm a Kaiser owner and I'm thinking about going to the Diamond.
Can someone tell me how fast is the Diamond compared to the Kaiser ?
Can you play videos faster than the Kaiser do (with no lags) ?
Thanks !
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I am an ex Trinity user and Trinities were well known of beating the **** out of Kaisers, and many others. Compared to the Trinity, the Diamond does a slightly better job in rendering videos.

Ok, thanks ... So does this mean that the Diamond really includes the proper graphic drivers ?
I did search for informations about that but could not find any answer ...
I saw on a thread here that the Diamond is really slow using GPS softwares, you can see the roads drawing one by one when driving ...
So I don't understand how this device can be so fast in reading videos, and so slow in displaying GPS softwares maps ...

dizzy33 said:
Ok, thanks ... So does this mean that the Diamond really includes the proper graphic drivers ?
I did search for informations about that but could not find any answer ...
I saw on a thread here that the Diamond is really slow using GPS softwares, you can see the roads drawing one by one when driving ...
So I don't understand how this device can be so fast in reading videos, and so slow in displaying GPS softwares maps ...
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I never experienced that GPS issue. I believe it might have been something with a specific app or settings.
Diamond has different chip than Kaiser so it is not correct to say that Diamond includes the proper drivers. But YES, Diamond has optimized video drivers for its own graphic chip which is VGA and 3D capable.

Thank you very much for your answers !

I've moved from a Kaiser to a Diamond and say that using Coreplayer the videos are the same...albeit the Diamond is suposedly faster....but I never had any real issues with the Kaiser either
What I will warn you about is the battery drain....I find that with sporadic use the Diamond might last 3 days. I've not tried it yet, but I would think that the Diamond could not last a single 2 hr movie, with backlight over 70%. I do like the Diamond...but it has lots of funky flaws.....if I didn't know about this site and the experts here giving advice on tweaking and "new" ROMS that are faster I probably would have tossed it on the first day...
....then again, all HTC products (including the Kaiser) are not up to spec when they leave the box!!
Hope this helps

Thanks to you for your answer. In fact my Kaiser is the pocket pc which has the longer battery life other all I had before (Casio EM505F, Ipaq 1930, Axim X50V, Qtek9000, HTC Prophet ...). With the Kaiser, I don't feel the need to buy an extra battery.
I guess that the VGA display of the Diamond drains faster the battery ...

Enjoy the tilt display as well.....the "dear ol Diamond" has to sit flat on the aircraft dinner table or you need to put a bread roll underneath it to watch your movie at an acceptable angle

i switched as well, i managed to trade my kaiser for a diamond
reasons were better performance ( faster cpu en drivers) and thinner design
im loving it ( my diamond)

darkenergy said:
i switched as well, i managed to trade my kaiser for a diamond
reasons were better performance ( faster cpu en drivers) and thinner design
im loving it ( my diamond)
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I am lucky enough to own a MDA Vario III and MDA Vario IV Compact (a free upgrade). I'd say the Compact IV compliments the Vario III but doesn't represent an upgrade. Personally most of the time I'll stick with the Vario III for the hardware keyboard but the Compact IV is a nice weekend more phone like form factor. Personally (and this is a personal view) I'd stick with the Kaiser if I had to choose between the two.

Thanks a lot for your answers ! I think I'll keep my Kaiser and wait for a real better device (much more powerfull).

altough the diamond has better hardware and decent drivers there basically the same
the kaiser is basically the same expierence but more suited towards people who type alot using a keyboard
i personally like the diamond a lot more because its thinner and much much lighter
i dont care for manilla that much , i switched back to throttle launcher now
on the other way around, compared to the diamond the only thing that the kaiser has going for it is the tilt screen abbility if you can live without that go for the diamond or wait a few weeks till hTC bring out another 47 smartphones to replace the diamond/kaiser all together

PROOF of how weak the Diamond processor is - (screenshots included)

I've just posted a review of ASUS P552W. It felt to me that I should do a post of how badly the Qualcomm 528MHz processor performs against the Marvell Tavor 624MHz CPU which is there in the ASUS P552W.
True, you can easily ignore the graphic aspects as SPB Benchmark is not optimized for the Diamond's GPU, but you cannot ignore the results which measure the processing power. Here are some screenshots that I used in the review
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I cannot believe the Diamond performed so badly in the benchmark test
Read the full review of ASUS P552W

I don't understand why people seem so proud when they think their phones suck. This is not the first thread I've seen about it, and it won't be the last, I'm sure.
So, your Diamond sucks? Then sell it and go to another forum about your beloved soap phone.
And by the way, the benchmarks you posted have nothing to do with the processor. File system speed <> processor speed.

i hate to see people flame devices.. well all the facts were cleared out for a long time ago and to constant bring it forward is too much.. well developers works with what they have and not with what they don't so if an application works better on a asus than a diamond it doesn't mean the following appp can't be tweaked to run as great as in the asus.. well i have a touch pro and i guess the specs are about similar to diamond and i agree with Smaniac.. the benchmark do not have anything to do with the processor...

I'm not saying that I hate my Diamond. It is my primary phone and I love it. BTW, processor is involved in a lot of things if you observed the table correctly. Hardware wise, there is not much difference between the two devices. Both come with 256MB ROM and use 128MB RAM with the P552W being just 100MHz ahead.
May be it is how one company codes the drivers properly and one company does not

And no where did I say that I hate the Diamond. I said how badly Qualcomm processors compare to Marvell processors

I agree with you guys.
Entering the site and all I see is: "diamond problems", "problems", "slow","bad preformance" etc....
Personally the Diamond is the best phone out there (HD to big even though ill get one heheh)
Dont forget this device is fairly new not even a year old.
But I also have to admit, that with the specs it has it should preform much better.
Greets.

well we all or many have seen the possibilities of overclocking older htc devices so if someone figgures out of it guess the possibilities are huge.. a friend of mine have an old htc touch gsm version.. i managed to overclock it from 200 mhz to a little above 300 mhz.. well yeah it might drain once battery alot but if you underclock it will make your battery last very veeery long.. we underclocked it to 100 mhz and got around 30 minutes to 1 hour more battery.. well that was a long time ago.. i hope there are similar possibilities for the htc devices which are hot right now sooner or later.. hopefully soon lol..

Interesting review. Very good apart from some of the spelling!
I agree with some of the others - it looks like the Diamond's main trouble is the file system. does anyone know why the file system is so slow?
As for the graphics benchmark, the Diamond is VGA so it's doing at least 4 times more work, right?

Davey101 said:
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I agree with some of the others - it looks like the Diamond's main trouble is the file system. does anyone know why the file system is so slow?
As for the graphics benchmark, the Diamond is VGA so it's doing at least 4 times more work, right?
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Second: I think you are right!
First: Maybe because of your second assumption? Don't you think that all other things are afflicted if more power is needed for the graphics?
If these assumptions are correct the comparison of this review is absolutely meaningless! And this applies to most (if not all) comparisons I've read here in the last time!
In addition: The used benchmark software:
- is 3 years old
- doesn't officially support WM 6.0 or 6.1
- is not optimised for VGA

Well, cut the poster some slack. His opinion is based on the benchmark. And when looking at that I can imagine someone is surprised about the huge difference. How the difference feels on the device is something else. But he has a point imho.
Sure with all the complaining here I can also understand why people act a bit hostile to posts like this.
But let's just face it, the Diamond is not really fast. When I compare the speed of, for example, tomtom on my Diamond and the tomtom speed on my yeeeeaaaars older Qtek s100 it's quite a difference.
From the Touch to Polaris and now the Diamond I have always been a bit dissapointed by the speeds. But I wouldnt want to trade my Diamond in for a s100 for sure! And I don't think my Diamond sucks at all. But the speed is.. well.. only bareable.
And now we see benchmarks against the Asus phone, and the feeling of slow speeds on the Diamond does seem to reflect in that as well. VGA or not, the Diamond is just slow. And I don't think it will be that much faster anytime soon.
The Asus is a phone I'm really looking into and want to give a test run soon. And perhaps it could replace my Diamond and perhaps it cannot. Who knows.
I don't feel the least offended or attacked by the OP. And he doesn't say the Diamond sucks at all. He was just amazed by the difference in speed in the benchmark. And so am I

OK guys...I will tell you something... diamond is good PPC but should be so much faster with marvell processor in many ways like GPS navigation, watching videos (not only in purchase must coreplayer with QTV) etc,...so why you just confess it...we are all victims of HTCs finnancial policy and sadly I have to say not only HTCs...

Davey101 said:
Interesting review. Very good apart from some of the spelling!
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What spelling?

kdskamal said:
I've just posted a review of ASUS P552W. It felt to me that I should do a post of how badly the Qualcomm 528MHz processor performs against the Marvell Tavor 624MHz CPU which is there in the ASUS P552W.
True, you can easily ignore the graphic aspects as SPB Benchmark is not optimized for the Diamond's GPU, but you cannot ignore the results which measure the processing power. Here are some screenshots that I used in the review
and here goes the screenshot for graphics
I cannot believe the Diamond performed so badly in the benchmark test
Read the full review of ASUS P552W
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the only things being compared here are file system and graphics processing. If you mean processor as CPU,then this has nothing to do with CPU.

Hello
I was thinking that even if the CPU was great, if the file system is slow the Diamond CPU will be waiting for data... and thus be slow.
So even if the benchmark seems to show File System benchmark (I'm not a benchmark specialist) I guess it must have somehow some impacts on the global speed of the Diamond.
I guess that even if we use a Marvell/QualComm/Coca-Cola CPU inside a smartphone if other hardware inside the device are bull****, then everything will be slow. This is exactly the same that in a full size computer. The device component quality should be homogeneous.
Maybe the flash component used for the memory in the Diamond are piece of crap, this could explain some strange behavior on the phone (like the enormous time needed to delete files in the Opera cache for instance) which does not require a lot of CPU obviously ans should be fast.
One last thing: Merry Diamond Christmas

So the benchmarks are poo, device still works ok for me so they mean nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Is it the best phone in the world??? Proably not but for the money and what I need it for, its just dandy.

As it is my 7the I just can say they get better all the time
The Diamond is my 7th windows device and when I bought it I was not ready with my Trinity P3600, just cause the 9100 of my daughter bricket was the reason why I bought it, but I must say that I never had the feeling of wanting my P3600 back, the only thing I miss is a integrated keyboard, my own fault cause I couldn't wait for the pro, but as far as performance its THE best phone I owned untill now, ofcourse there are a few things which I think could be better and I believe if HTC continue the way they do then they maid grow bigger then Nokia in the future, and ofcourse after that HTC is the biggest there will come some other phone whit more possebillitys.
I just realise that I can't compare my phone to a Nikon D3Xi and therefore the camera is just a piece of ballast which I never use , but with my camera I can't phone and if I could it doesn't fit in my pocket .
I remeber my anger with the first windows phone I had the Orange 100 (can't even remember the realtype) but what I do remember the problems one by one are being solved and not in the last place here at this forum where I find a lot of dedicated and friendley people, complains about HTC? When I bought my Diamond I had some troubles with the network I didn't now that you must use best performance in stead of best battery, I contacted HTC and the wanted to pickup the phone next day, in the mean time found the problem and phoned them and send a fax that there was no need for the pickup nex day 2 times a courier at my doorbel to pickup the phone after that they have phoned me for about 7 times or it still was working, I don't believe it could be better.
Of course there are comming new phones and I don't want to say that I will keep my Diamond for ever cause I now when the next phone shows up I will get that irrisistable feeling of wnating that phone and yess Apple has discovered that smartphones pressent a big marked with lots of customers which are not like most people here who want the last bit of performance but in stead a stablephone which does what its made for and nothing more, in the mean time I am happy whit my phone and if I see the reactions around me I am not the only one.
W'll see what next year will bring I am stock for next year with my Diamond cause for the first time in my life I bought it for 18 months and just except some minor reasons I don't have the feeling yet to give this phone to my daughter ( and believe me she is looking desperate for an other phone for me )
My 2 cents
Happy newyear
Willem

Well, for some reason my biggest issue with HTC phones nowadays is that they all seem to be slower than what I remember from my Qtek s100 (mda compact). Which is especially noticable with tomtom. Tomtom was super smooth on the s100 as far as I can remember.
Then the Touch came after a while, and that was a huge step backwards in speed. I was hoping the Polaris would regain the speed. But that was a bit of a dissapointment as well. Things looked up with the Diamond, but that one still lacks in the speed department. When looking at the specs it should be a really fast phone. But it just doesn't feel fast at all.
Sure, it's VGA has far better (and more demanding) WM 6.1 and software which obviously slows it down as well.
Maybe it's just some nostalgic feeling from the s100 (and that one had some major issues for sure). But speedwise things just don't feel as fast as it should be. Or at least how they -could- be when looking at the specs! (is a big difference).
That being said, I'm very happy with my Diamond. Even when it doesn't feel al that fast (used most of the ROMS here on xda, and speed is much better than it was originally) it's still one of the most complete phones so far. And I wouldn't want to trade it back for any other phone I've owned so far for sure!
But! This Asus phone looks really promising. If it's that much faster (e.g. speedy feeling is the same as benchmark difference) I'd be happy to trade in VGA and take the Asus. Especially when apps like TomTom finally work smooth again. And not only TomTom, but also video playback and all kinds of other apps.
But it's all very personal. If you go from a HTC Touch to a Diamond you would probably think "wtf, slow?! This thing is lightning fast!!!".

RaptorRVL said:
Well, for some reason my biggest issue with HTC phones nowadays is that they all seem to be slower than what I remember from my Qtek s100 (mda compact). Which is especially noticable with tomtom. Tomtom was super smooth on the s100 as far as I can remember.
Then the Touch came after a while, and that was a huge step backwards in speed. I was hoping the Polaris would regain the speed. But that was a bit of a dissapointment as well. Things looked up with the Diamond, but that one still lacks in the speed department. When looking at the specs it should be a really fast phone. But it just doesn't feel fast at all.
Sure, it's VGA has far better (and more demanding) WM 6.1 and software which obviously slows it down as well.
Maybe it's just some nostalgic feeling from the s100 (and that one had some major issues for sure). But speedwise things just don't feel as fast as it should be. Or at least how they -could- be when looking at the specs! (is a big difference).
That being said, I'm very happy with my Diamond. Even when it doesn't feel al that fast (used most of the ROMS here on xda, and speed is much better than it was originally) it's still one of the most complete phones so far. And I wouldn't want to trade it back for any other phone I've owned so far for sure!
But! This Asus phone looks really promising. If it's that much faster (e.g. speedy feeling is the same as benchmark difference) I'd be happy to trade in VGA and take the Asus. Especially when apps like TomTom finally work smooth again. And not only TomTom, but also video playback and all kinds of other apps.
But it's all very personal. If you go from a HTC Touch to a Diamond you would probably think "wtf, slow?! This thing is lightning fast!!!".
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I came from P3600 and speed wasn't a major problem with it but I am shore of 1 thing the Tomtom which I have at my Diamond is by far THE fastest I ever owned and I came from a fixed Pioneer nav system where I never thought that a such small app could compet whit it and still I have with my Pioneer a fix at the moment that I connect my engine but TomTom at my phone isn't much slower it takes at max 30sec to get afix which is the time I need to fasten my seatbelt and start driving, even a long distance trip is calculated in reasonable time this was much different at my P3600 which never could make a calculation for example from my home to Madrid cause of nor enough memory for the Diamond no problem at all, the only problem which Tomtom gives me lateley is that it locksup for some reason which I didn't discover yet, its not because the trip is long which tomtom calculates it can be on any kind of trip.
I agree that the Touch 3d software was the firstone which I gave a kick and can't say I miss it.
Willem

the device "feels" slow because theres no 2d acceleration drivers. If it had that,this device would feel like lightning. the cpu is good,the gpu is good,the rest of the hardware is amazing. theres 3d drivers now,but the last missing piece is 2d drivers that use the gpu.
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I was thinking that even if the CPU was great, if the file system is slow the Diamond CPU will be waiting for data...
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no,since data is usually put in RAM and then executed from there,not directly from file.

Diamond...
I love my Diamond, faults an' all... just like my wife!