I've just posted a review of ASUS P552W. It felt to me that I should do a post of how badly the Qualcomm 528MHz processor performs against the Marvell Tavor 624MHz CPU which is there in the ASUS P552W.
True, you can easily ignore the graphic aspects as SPB Benchmark is not optimized for the Diamond's GPU, but you cannot ignore the results which measure the processing power. Here are some screenshots that I used in the review
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I cannot believe the Diamond performed so badly in the benchmark test
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I don't understand why people seem so proud when they think their phones suck. This is not the first thread I've seen about it, and it won't be the last, I'm sure.
So, your Diamond sucks? Then sell it and go to another forum about your beloved soap phone.
And by the way, the benchmarks you posted have nothing to do with the processor. File system speed <> processor speed.
i hate to see people flame devices.. well all the facts were cleared out for a long time ago and to constant bring it forward is too much.. well developers works with what they have and not with what they don't so if an application works better on a asus than a diamond it doesn't mean the following appp can't be tweaked to run as great as in the asus.. well i have a touch pro and i guess the specs are about similar to diamond and i agree with Smaniac.. the benchmark do not have anything to do with the processor...
I'm not saying that I hate my Diamond. It is my primary phone and I love it. BTW, processor is involved in a lot of things if you observed the table correctly. Hardware wise, there is not much difference between the two devices. Both come with 256MB ROM and use 128MB RAM with the P552W being just 100MHz ahead.
May be it is how one company codes the drivers properly and one company does not
And no where did I say that I hate the Diamond. I said how badly Qualcomm processors compare to Marvell processors
I agree with you guys.
Entering the site and all I see is: "diamond problems", "problems", "slow","bad preformance" etc....
Personally the Diamond is the best phone out there (HD to big even though ill get one heheh)
Dont forget this device is fairly new not even a year old.
But I also have to admit, that with the specs it has it should preform much better.
Greets.
well we all or many have seen the possibilities of overclocking older htc devices so if someone figgures out of it guess the possibilities are huge.. a friend of mine have an old htc touch gsm version.. i managed to overclock it from 200 mhz to a little above 300 mhz.. well yeah it might drain once battery alot but if you underclock it will make your battery last very veeery long.. we underclocked it to 100 mhz and got around 30 minutes to 1 hour more battery.. well that was a long time ago.. i hope there are similar possibilities for the htc devices which are hot right now sooner or later.. hopefully soon lol..
Interesting review. Very good apart from some of the spelling!
I agree with some of the others - it looks like the Diamond's main trouble is the file system. does anyone know why the file system is so slow?
As for the graphics benchmark, the Diamond is VGA so it's doing at least 4 times more work, right?
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I agree with some of the others - it looks like the Diamond's main trouble is the file system. does anyone know why the file system is so slow?
As for the graphics benchmark, the Diamond is VGA so it's doing at least 4 times more work, right?
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Second: I think you are right!
First: Maybe because of your second assumption? Don't you think that all other things are afflicted if more power is needed for the graphics?
If these assumptions are correct the comparison of this review is absolutely meaningless! And this applies to most (if not all) comparisons I've read here in the last time!
In addition: The used benchmark software:
- is 3 years old
- doesn't officially support WM 6.0 or 6.1
- is not optimised for VGA
Well, cut the poster some slack. His opinion is based on the benchmark. And when looking at that I can imagine someone is surprised about the huge difference. How the difference feels on the device is something else. But he has a point imho.
Sure with all the complaining here I can also understand why people act a bit hostile to posts like this.
But let's just face it, the Diamond is not really fast. When I compare the speed of, for example, tomtom on my Diamond and the tomtom speed on my yeeeeaaaars older Qtek s100 it's quite a difference.
From the Touch to Polaris and now the Diamond I have always been a bit dissapointed by the speeds. But I wouldnt want to trade my Diamond in for a s100 for sure! And I don't think my Diamond sucks at all. But the speed is.. well.. only bareable.
And now we see benchmarks against the Asus phone, and the feeling of slow speeds on the Diamond does seem to reflect in that as well. VGA or not, the Diamond is just slow. And I don't think it will be that much faster anytime soon.
The Asus is a phone I'm really looking into and want to give a test run soon. And perhaps it could replace my Diamond and perhaps it cannot. Who knows.
I don't feel the least offended or attacked by the OP. And he doesn't say the Diamond sucks at all. He was just amazed by the difference in speed in the benchmark. And so am I
OK guys...I will tell you something... diamond is good PPC but should be so much faster with marvell processor in many ways like GPS navigation, watching videos (not only in purchase must coreplayer with QTV) etc,...so why you just confess it...we are all victims of HTCs finnancial policy and sadly I have to say not only HTCs...
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Interesting review. Very good apart from some of the spelling!
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What spelling?
kdskamal said:
I've just posted a review of ASUS P552W. It felt to me that I should do a post of how badly the Qualcomm 528MHz processor performs against the Marvell Tavor 624MHz CPU which is there in the ASUS P552W.
True, you can easily ignore the graphic aspects as SPB Benchmark is not optimized for the Diamond's GPU, but you cannot ignore the results which measure the processing power. Here are some screenshots that I used in the review
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I cannot believe the Diamond performed so badly in the benchmark test
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the only things being compared here are file system and graphics processing. If you mean processor as CPU,then this has nothing to do with CPU.
Hello
I was thinking that even if the CPU was great, if the file system is slow the Diamond CPU will be waiting for data... and thus be slow.
So even if the benchmark seems to show File System benchmark (I'm not a benchmark specialist) I guess it must have somehow some impacts on the global speed of the Diamond.
I guess that even if we use a Marvell/QualComm/Coca-Cola CPU inside a smartphone if other hardware inside the device are bull****, then everything will be slow. This is exactly the same that in a full size computer. The device component quality should be homogeneous.
Maybe the flash component used for the memory in the Diamond are piece of crap, this could explain some strange behavior on the phone (like the enormous time needed to delete files in the Opera cache for instance) which does not require a lot of CPU obviously ans should be fast.
One last thing: Merry Diamond Christmas
So the benchmarks are poo, device still works ok for me so they mean nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Is it the best phone in the world??? Proably not but for the money and what I need it for, its just dandy.
As it is my 7the I just can say they get better all the time
The Diamond is my 7th windows device and when I bought it I was not ready with my Trinity P3600, just cause the 9100 of my daughter bricket was the reason why I bought it, but I must say that I never had the feeling of wanting my P3600 back, the only thing I miss is a integrated keyboard, my own fault cause I couldn't wait for the pro, but as far as performance its THE best phone I owned untill now, ofcourse there are a few things which I think could be better and I believe if HTC continue the way they do then they maid grow bigger then Nokia in the future, and ofcourse after that HTC is the biggest there will come some other phone whit more possebillitys.
I just realise that I can't compare my phone to a Nikon D3Xi and therefore the camera is just a piece of ballast which I never use , but with my camera I can't phone and if I could it doesn't fit in my pocket .
I remeber my anger with the first windows phone I had the Orange 100 (can't even remember the realtype) but what I do remember the problems one by one are being solved and not in the last place here at this forum where I find a lot of dedicated and friendley people, complains about HTC? When I bought my Diamond I had some troubles with the network I didn't now that you must use best performance in stead of best battery, I contacted HTC and the wanted to pickup the phone next day, in the mean time found the problem and phoned them and send a fax that there was no need for the pickup nex day 2 times a courier at my doorbel to pickup the phone after that they have phoned me for about 7 times or it still was working, I don't believe it could be better.
Of course there are comming new phones and I don't want to say that I will keep my Diamond for ever cause I now when the next phone shows up I will get that irrisistable feeling of wnating that phone and yess Apple has discovered that smartphones pressent a big marked with lots of customers which are not like most people here who want the last bit of performance but in stead a stablephone which does what its made for and nothing more, in the mean time I am happy whit my phone and if I see the reactions around me I am not the only one.
W'll see what next year will bring I am stock for next year with my Diamond cause for the first time in my life I bought it for 18 months and just except some minor reasons I don't have the feeling yet to give this phone to my daughter ( and believe me she is looking desperate for an other phone for me )
My 2 cents
Happy newyear
Willem
Well, for some reason my biggest issue with HTC phones nowadays is that they all seem to be slower than what I remember from my Qtek s100 (mda compact). Which is especially noticable with tomtom. Tomtom was super smooth on the s100 as far as I can remember.
Then the Touch came after a while, and that was a huge step backwards in speed. I was hoping the Polaris would regain the speed. But that was a bit of a dissapointment as well. Things looked up with the Diamond, but that one still lacks in the speed department. When looking at the specs it should be a really fast phone. But it just doesn't feel fast at all.
Sure, it's VGA has far better (and more demanding) WM 6.1 and software which obviously slows it down as well.
Maybe it's just some nostalgic feeling from the s100 (and that one had some major issues for sure). But speedwise things just don't feel as fast as it should be. Or at least how they -could- be when looking at the specs! (is a big difference).
That being said, I'm very happy with my Diamond. Even when it doesn't feel al that fast (used most of the ROMS here on xda, and speed is much better than it was originally) it's still one of the most complete phones so far. And I wouldn't want to trade it back for any other phone I've owned so far for sure!
But! This Asus phone looks really promising. If it's that much faster (e.g. speedy feeling is the same as benchmark difference) I'd be happy to trade in VGA and take the Asus. Especially when apps like TomTom finally work smooth again. And not only TomTom, but also video playback and all kinds of other apps.
But it's all very personal. If you go from a HTC Touch to a Diamond you would probably think "wtf, slow?! This thing is lightning fast!!!".
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Well, for some reason my biggest issue with HTC phones nowadays is that they all seem to be slower than what I remember from my Qtek s100 (mda compact). Which is especially noticable with tomtom. Tomtom was super smooth on the s100 as far as I can remember.
Then the Touch came after a while, and that was a huge step backwards in speed. I was hoping the Polaris would regain the speed. But that was a bit of a dissapointment as well. Things looked up with the Diamond, but that one still lacks in the speed department. When looking at the specs it should be a really fast phone. But it just doesn't feel fast at all.
Sure, it's VGA has far better (and more demanding) WM 6.1 and software which obviously slows it down as well.
Maybe it's just some nostalgic feeling from the s100 (and that one had some major issues for sure). But speedwise things just don't feel as fast as it should be. Or at least how they -could- be when looking at the specs! (is a big difference).
That being said, I'm very happy with my Diamond. Even when it doesn't feel al that fast (used most of the ROMS here on xda, and speed is much better than it was originally) it's still one of the most complete phones so far. And I wouldn't want to trade it back for any other phone I've owned so far for sure!
But! This Asus phone looks really promising. If it's that much faster (e.g. speedy feeling is the same as benchmark difference) I'd be happy to trade in VGA and take the Asus. Especially when apps like TomTom finally work smooth again. And not only TomTom, but also video playback and all kinds of other apps.
But it's all very personal. If you go from a HTC Touch to a Diamond you would probably think "wtf, slow?! This thing is lightning fast!!!".
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I came from P3600 and speed wasn't a major problem with it but I am shore of 1 thing the Tomtom which I have at my Diamond is by far THE fastest I ever owned and I came from a fixed Pioneer nav system where I never thought that a such small app could compet whit it and still I have with my Pioneer a fix at the moment that I connect my engine but TomTom at my phone isn't much slower it takes at max 30sec to get afix which is the time I need to fasten my seatbelt and start driving, even a long distance trip is calculated in reasonable time this was much different at my P3600 which never could make a calculation for example from my home to Madrid cause of nor enough memory for the Diamond no problem at all, the only problem which Tomtom gives me lateley is that it locksup for some reason which I didn't discover yet, its not because the trip is long which tomtom calculates it can be on any kind of trip.
I agree that the Touch 3d software was the firstone which I gave a kick and can't say I miss it.
Willem
the device "feels" slow because theres no 2d acceleration drivers. If it had that,this device would feel like lightning. the cpu is good,the gpu is good,the rest of the hardware is amazing. theres 3d drivers now,but the last missing piece is 2d drivers that use the gpu.
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I was thinking that even if the CPU was great, if the file system is slow the Diamond CPU will be waiting for data...
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no,since data is usually put in RAM and then executed from there,not directly from file.
Diamond...
I love my Diamond, faults an' all... just like my wife!
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I think im going for p750 coz of its gps sirf starIII and camera flash.
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=804
looks good..but no qwerty
With querty, i'd buy it right now.
I too find the lack of a flashlight really a shame i will probably wait for some other model that has the specs of the kaiser but with a flashlight. VJCandela is way to usefull for me.
It has got more did you check the specs,
it has got fm radio, 520mhz speed.
And with phone pad who needs qwerty keyboard.
i do, much easier for e-mail but it does look like a damn good device otherwise. I the speed is the same as the ult-imate 7150 but it has no GPS, always a trade off, will be tough decision when the time comes.
I also feel the lack of flash is a bit disappointing for Kaiser. Not that I would use the flash light for taking photos, but I do like to have the flash so that I can use the phone as a torch at night.
And i would like it coz its way to easier and faster to use as a phone.
And seeing the specs it is anytime faster than kaiser.
I just hope there is section for it in xda-developers.
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And i would like it coz its way to easier and faster to use as a phone.
And seeing the specs it is anytime faster than kaiser.
I just hope there is section for it in xda-developers.
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Intel 520 MHz vs Qualcomm 400 MHz. Hope there is a benchmark test somewhere to compare the two.
what do you think about the graphic thing in kaiser does p750 has the same.
And sirf starIII is way better than nmea.
Anybody who likes Asus p750
If you dont like it, then whats make the kaiser better, please see the specs in the first post
wow the p750 has miniSD? at least someone is thinking right! that means you can swap them easier and cheaper
Which software to use?
In my humble opinion: None......for the Qualcomm there is no software availalble to overclock it....but in time it will come...
try this out guys. application specific.
All this seems to be doing is to change the priority of the threads running certain applications. It does not overclock the CPU like OMAP did.
anyway does this work?
or its like the sktools optimization?
Any progress out there on a safe program to overclock a Kaiser? WM6 is definitely faster than WM5, but alot slower than my old Palm OS Treos.
thanks,
d
I'm also waiting for a piece of software that will allow me to overclock my Kaiser, but still there is no progress at all. As they say - patience is gods' virtue (-:
has anyone tried htc performance?
I believe I read helmi had a hand in creating it???I know this has been used on a few different devices and is very low on batti draw but no one quite knows how it works.Really makes a difference on my device but Im not sure if it would be safe to use or even work with the proccessor on the kaiser.
With the battery life as borderline as it is with the Tilt/Kaiser, I'd shy away from overclocking. You'll get lightening fast speed for the 5 minutes of battery life
ya but...
ya but... with the video drivers we're missing and an overclocker the phone would be lightning quick.Also I was reading that the reality is with the right programmers the next gen phones kaiser , dream and a few others a playstation 2 emulator on the ppc would be possible. imagine being on a plane cut off 3g and phone functions and play ps2 games on your phone. plus with extended and/or extra batteries that are now becoming available...
I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion
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I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion
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Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).
The prophet is slower in my opinion, I don't own a Kaiser, but whenever i use it everything happens faster than on my overclocked WM6 Prophet (overclocked to 286MHz normally).
How does the speed compare to the TyTN, mine should be here on Wednesday... I can't wait!
someone found a tool that really works ?
WOW! and I thought we had enough problem threads on here with overheat and battery deaths!
Look out for many more!!
I upgraded to kaiser from a Tmob Wing, for that I played with an overclocker called Fl0wt. Which did seem to work BUT the battery becames a flamethrower of heat and the battery life was sucked away in no time. this wasnt a big clock speed step either. The parts just arnt suited for the additional heat it seems. plus it felt dangerously hot...like "hit the dirt its going to blow" hot. not worth the risk in my oppinion...but hey thats just me
Can you post a link to "Fl0wt" ive searched far and wide and found nothing. Please post a link.
Cheers !
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Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).
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I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Cybersaurus
Warfare Inc
Machines at War
Bejeweled 2
Zuma
Ackys XP Breakout
Shattered Worlds
Call of Duty 2
Darxide EMP
gfDoom
Fast Future Race
G-Prime Extreme
Interstellar Flames
Skyforce Reloaded
Quake & Quake 2
Sinbad Return of the Legends
Flux Challenge
Is this a good enough sample for you?
THE KAISER NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A VGA DEVICE. IT IS STRICTLY QVGA....NOW GET OVER IT!!!
I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.
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I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Call of Duty 2
Is this a good enough sample for you?
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I have Call of Duty 2 too, and it's really slow on the Kaiser compared to other devices. You should see how it runs on other PPC's...
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I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.
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I have an T-mobile Kaiser and it's definitely not much faster than a Magician. The difference is really, really small.
And we're referring to the fact that there are no drivers for the ATI Imageon hardware. Thanks to this, everything needs to be rendered by the CPU.
I have just been given a Imate 9502 on a plan( ok i have to pay for it over a period of time)and as this uses the same chipset as the the TytnII i thought this would be interesting, also keep in mind the Imate 9502 uses a 640x480 VGA screen..have completed some benchmarking using VSbenchmark..
Imate9502 TYTNII
Graphic test1 1717 1101
Other test2 1913 1875
Jpeg test3 3098 2323
Games test4 1099 1278
Sound test5 1944 0668
Total Score 1954 1449
Very interesting indeed, only score which TytnII wins on is the Games test.But as the 9502 is running at higher res than the TytnII and getting higher scores does this mean Imate have fixed the qualcomm issue????..
movie play back is a breeze stock... will run tests later using diff players
Just from those numbers I'm pretty sure nothing is really fixed. Check out the score difference from the P6500 to the Kaiser
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381254
I've seen variation even between Kaisers of a few hundred points just depending on ROMs, software and a myriad of little things that can affect the overall score.
Are you taking into account that the res is double that of the TytnII,also according to VSbenchmark's web page,the scores that the 9502 got are lil over mid way compared to a tytnII having a reported score of 1444 admitedly there was a KAISER on there with a slightly higher score but it still wasnt anywhere near the 9502.
The reason i reported the TytnII score and not the KAISER from VSbenchmark was MY TytnII got sim Scores.
Another point of interest is the 9502 has VGA out,which i hooked up to the phillips 50in LCD and works a treat.
also will down load SPD benchmark and will report those scores
Technically, the resolution is 4 times that of the Kaiser if you care comparing pixel count. There are 4 times as many pixels on a 640x480 screen than there is on a 320x240 screen.
Hi mav42,
Could you please report what free program memory (RAM) you get immediately after a soft reset. In some reviews I have read it is just over 32 MB which in my opinion is very low for a 128 MB installed device. For example my TyTn II gives close to 70 MB of free RAM immediately after a soft reset.
Shall be obliged for your response as I am seriously considering getting one myself but the memory issue is holding me back.
Regards
Are we sure that benchmark is even measuring the kind of stuff the Tytn II is known to be missing? I thought someone pointed out, the last time comparisons were drawn with these benchmarks, that the accelerated hardware wasn't actually being tested at all.
Someone (who knows what they're doing) needs to get hold of a rom for the 9502 and start analysing it... Chainfire, where art thou?
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Are we sure that benchmark is even measuring the kind of stuff the Tytn II is known to be missing? I thought someone pointed out, the last time comparisons were drawn with these benchmarks, that the accelerated hardware wasn't actually being tested at all.
Someone (who knows what they're doing) needs to get hold of a rom for the 9502 and start analysing it... Chainfire, where art thou?
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Im sorry Im just a idiot heres me thinking that both these devices use the same chipset doh....wait a minute they do.......all i did was compare these device's using the same benchmarks at the same time to see if there was any major diff,report it and work from there....and in this case there is a diff .also even if stated by Bong that these benchmarks dont measure accelerated hardware theres still a diff between these 2 devices using software rendition
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Im sorry Im just a idiot heres me thinking that both these devices use the same chipset doh....wait a minute they do.......all i did was compare these device's using the same benchmarks at the same time to see if there was any major diff,report it and work from there....and in this case there is a diff .also even if stated by Bong that these benchmarks dont measure accelerated hardware theres still a diff between these 2 devices using software rendition
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I meant no offence, sorry it appears I've caused some. My question was genuine - if the benchmark doesn't test the imageon features etc, then that would explain the relatively small difference in the tests, even if the 9502's video is miles better in use.
I'm well aware of the shared chipset, and that's why I'm so interested in a developer getting hold of the ROM and extracting any drivers they can.
Can you post a TCPMP or Core player video playback benchmark? Thanks
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Hi mav42,
Could you please report what free program memory (RAM) you get immediately after a soft reset. In some reviews I have read it is just over 32 MB which in my opinion is very low for a 128 MB installed device. For example my TyTn II gives close to 70 MB of free RAM immediately after a soft reset.
Shall be obliged for your response as I am seriously considering getting one myself but the memory issue is holding me back.
Regards
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ok after doing a soft reset
total:84.41mb...........in use 50.26mb..........FREE 34.15mb
hope that helps
This is exactly why we need a 9502 section on here! From what I have read so far (only on mobile phone consumer forums mind, so no techies), the major issues are:
1. Complete lack of free RAM meaning only one or two apps can be run simultaneously.(Unconfirmed how much this issue is related to Telstra ROM/bloatware).
2. Is not natively SDHC compliant and although the WM6 SDHC drivers work, they disable the wifi functionality of the device.
Both of these things I think could be remedied by XDA-Dev geniuses.
I just want to know does the 9502 suffer from the I-hit-a-button-but-nothing-happens-unless-i-hold-it-down-for-a-few-seconds-then-it-clicks syndrom that the Tilt has?
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I just want to know does the 9502 suffer from the I-hit-a-button-but-nothing-happens-unless-i-hold-it-down-for-a-few-seconds-then-it-clicks syndrom that the Tilt has?
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I have not come accross this problem..........so far....
aww man. if that SOny X1 wasn't coming out, I would buy the 9502. That and not being VGA is my only complaint with the Tilt I have. I miss the VGA and I can't stand it how sometimes the screen or key just wont register presses unless you hold it down.
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aww man. if that SOny X1 wasn't coming out, I would buy the 9502.
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Sony X1 doesn't have a jogdial and OK button on left side, I guess all TyTN users got used to have that... 9502 does have those
Is there going to have a Imate 9502 Section?
I too holding a imate
I would really appreciate if somebody could post the XIP and some of the other graphics related dlls (DDI.dll, dependencies, etc). ROM dump would be nice.
So far, I have the 9502 ahi2dati.dll from some other thread and it's the same as the KS20 so that's a good comparison point, depending on how you want to look at it.
I would really appreciate if somebody could post the XIP and some of the other graphics related dlls (DDI.dll, dependencies, etc). ROM dump would be nice.
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Totally agree! if someone gives this dump would be very nice .
im also working on this and i need some dlls. XIP etc.
a ROM dump would be great!
hello ,i m a french
I want know if somebody overclock diamond with a soft, and, if yes, is there some problems, or not, accelerate the 3D flow, and other appli...
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Hello, almost neighborou, I am Czech. I have Diamond for one day, but I spend hours findong some info - here is shortly what I know: Yes, Diamond has some Graphic Drivers, but still nothing exciting yet. It seems that 3D drivers are much better than 2D here. If you want a proof, a can say that on TyTN 2 in some bench thay gave 140 FPS, but Diamond gave only 80! Of course TyTN had experimental drivers. This means that Diamond has big reserves in performance, and they are waiting to be used. The 7201A dualcore CPU is basicly high-end technology theoretcally much better than Xscale CPUs, but its bad optimalised. (I heared that new Google phone will have one, but I am not sure). Yes, CoreCodec can use QTv, but now it is almost clear that Diamond has moch more to offer from HW. So, Oc will not help you, only new ROM can. There are many great pople and many ROM´s, and there is also preassure on HTC to come with better drivers, and personally I think it will be bigger and bigger, due to Touch Pro. So just wait, it take some time, but I trust there will be more power than you need sometimes.
So.. I was looking through youtube videos and realized the palm pre and iphone 3gs can run about full speed on the PS emulator, and they have a 600 mhz processor.
As the iphone 3g has 400 mhz and can run the PS emulators pretty poorly but still around 10 fps.
Why is it that android has not have a PSemulator yet?
cause no one made it yet
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Maybe an N64 Emulator for beta testing?...always have had problems with N46 Emulators, would be sweet tho, even if i have to sacrifice framerate....
jndd333 said:
Maybe an N64 Emulator for beta testing?...always have had problems with N46 Emulators, would be sweet tho, even if i have to sacrifice framerate....
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yes!
conkers bad fur day on my g1
Correct me if I'm wrong but I've heard that the G1 actually has a dual core processor in it but somehow its limited to only running one core, so before we get any sort of PSX/N64 (Heavy Graphic) emulator, shouldn't we try to unlock that second core (We as in the sexy devs.)?
I might be wrong but in my search on the google, there is a dual core in the G1.
If that core does get unlocked, I could already imagine the battery life rofl.
im pretty sure the "second" core is actually the gpu processor on the same die.... im not 100% on this though
PSX Emulator for the HD2 looks absolutley MINT!! I would love this for my HTC Desire android device! Twisted Metal on the go would be quality!
Would probably need a Bluetooth gamepad though
I hate to rain on your all's parade, as I've looked into this for myself, but the short answer is no. The CPU+ram on the G1 just doesn't provide enough power for this Now the second core that you're talking about really isn't another cpu core. As far as I can tell, it's used for 3G data and graphics. And as CrazyEye said, a Google search turns up that the G1 is using a "multicore processor". That may not necessairly mean that the second core is locked, but rather that it's being used for other things (graphics, 3g data, etc...). The HD2 has really great specifications and boasts a lot of power (especially for a cell phone I mean DAAANG), so it handles the PSX pretty well.
Don't Forget! android apps running on Java wich is some slower and so harder on emulators etc etc...
nickeedoo said:
I hate to rain on your all's parade, as I've looked into this for myself, but the short answer is no. The CPU+ram on the G1 just doesn't provide enough power for this Now the second core that you're talking about really isn't another cpu core. As far as I can tell, it's used for 3G data and graphics. And as CrazyEye said, a Google search turns up that the G1 is using a "multicore processor". That may not necessairly mean that the second core is locked, but rather that it's being used for other things (graphics, 3g data, etc...). The HD2 has really great specifications and boasts a lot of power (especially for a cell phone I mean DAAANG), so it handles the PSX pretty well.
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I'm surprised to hear this. Considering my old dell x30h (not a phone... but a pda) on its 624Mhz xscale(an armv5 implementation), WM2k3, and positively PIDDLING 64MB Ram could run many PSX games using FpseCE. Ultimately a little frame-skip is obviously necessary, but many games would be playable with said if the buttons on said PDA weren't so absolutely HORRID. Seriously btw, worst d-pad ever.
I can't imagine the 528Mhz Qualcomm chip not being comparable. And certainly 192MB-overhead ram gives FAR more than 64MB-system overhead(which left 32-48MB for programs... depending. And believe me, it was ram that the damn thing ran out of.) Oh yes. And my ol x30h didn't even HAVE graphics acceleration. At all.
Admiteldy, it might require installing as a rooted program or some such...
But... that's just my 2 cents.
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Don't Forget! android apps running on Java wich is some slower and so harder on emulators etc etc...
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True that, but from what has been done with Kwaak 3 (http://code.google.com/p/kwaak3/), it seems like it can be done if the actual emulator library is written in C++ and has its functions wrapped and executed by the java app.
a good place to start would probably be looking at a linux based Psx Emulator
EDIT:
from ZODTTD (Great developer of numerous Emulators for iPhone):
in Dev Talk, ZodTTD News by ZodTTD on April 15th, 2010
" But most impressive of all is the 1300+ signatures received for me to support Android developments of VLC and some higher end emulators. It can be seen and supported here (http://www.petitiononline.com/ZodAndro) I’m working on getting a new Nexus One (as my previous one is on loan to a friend) so I can start developing on it."
I guess this means good things lie in our future. (well maybe not us G1 users)
going to bump this so people sign the petition above ^^
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Don't Forget! android apps running on Java wich is some slower and so harder on emulators etc etc...
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Yes and no. Now there's native support in Android, i think its C+++ though. Still, a little closer to the hardware will help greatly with everything especially the dynarec. With a highly optimized* froyo ROM on the HTC Dream it would help even more with that Just-In-Time compiler, its probable.
*hardware acceleration, no memory leaks, minimum background tasks, maximum RAM and ROM availability
Erniemac said:
going to bump this so people sign the petition above ^^
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That petitions been signed. Zodttd has started working on psx4android.
Here's my experienced insight:
If you:
1) install the ROM stated above,
2) overclocked the device to 700MHz (stable yet faster) and
3) ran a fairly optimized emulator
you can achieve 30fps with sound for demanding titles like Tekken 3 or Gran Turismo 2. This is a fairly playable state, just consider some static in the sound and areas with many 3D objects will be visibly slow (10%) than other areas (human eye cannot detect differences past 40/45 fps).
However,
1) That ROM won't be made (hardware acceleration is tricky) or will take a few months.
2) Device OC (to make things smoother like 30fps) is no problem but isn't enough alone.
3) Zod's port won't be efficient (it never is, it will just be a dirty port like his previous work, sorry he sucks at optimizations, need more experienced and dedicated developers like in the GP32X scene).
To be frank, the G1 is a pretty good device especially unlocked ones for around AU$200.
However, it was so close but is short of greatness^. I mean PSX emulation would've been a great addition.
For greatness, HTC only needed to add:
1) more RAM (severely limited) at least 288MB like big brother Touch Pro,
2) a flashlight with the camera is very desired,
3) sometimes it lacks a little bit ROM so 512MB would've helped with those App problems.
Other things could've been added to sweeten the pot like, battery with more charge (1400mAh), front facing camera (Skype anyone?) and a stylus slot with a C-tylus.
^Many ARM11 devices out there dirtcheap, this one could've been pushed harder to make psx emulation playable even with 4M polygons/sec, which would've make it the best dirtcheap device.
PS If you want N64+Quake 3 you'd need a Cortex A8 pushed hard, and no I aint pulling numbers out of my @ss I did the research!
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chewrawka said:
other than that i got quite a few games running decent:
(all uncompressed,and w/tp2 .ini)
gran turismo 2 (pal)- 15-25 fps.(could go a lil faster but gets choppy)
marvel vs. street fighter ex- 30-40 fps ( fun to play,just waiting for bt pad
twisted metal 2- 35-40 fps ( sometimes more, most impressive game espeacailly when alot of action is goin on no real lag).
jet moto 2- 30- 35+fps ( your call between speed and choppy, frame skip works good here) fun game...
crash bandicoot 2- 20-25 fps( game has alot of sprites like rain etc... although the game looks awesome).
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This is a quote for (FpseCE 1.0 for HTC Touch Pro ), just to bring to your attention.
If these figures are obtained for Touch Pro (same device more RAM), and the emulator runs fully native (WinMo 6.1), the G1 is "most likely" to do worse due to obvious disadvantages. I used "most likely" since it will greatly rely on how optimized the emulator is.
I urge PSX devs to optimize the code for the G1, and even if its slow (or not yet playable) at least it would be optimized enough to run on other, more expensive, devices (eg Moto Droid) smoothly or fullspeed.
Remmember, you're only as fast as your slowest compartment. So individually removing the bottlenecks will play key in psx for many devices to come.
Edit: fixing link
Sorry for bombarding this (abandoned) thread.
But I've got some news / update.
The psx4android project is falling through. The developers of Sensoid and Gameboid (both emulators that work fullspeed on G1) have teamed up with Zodtt (iPhone fanboy & emulator developer).
Bad news is compatible with Donut and above (Android 2.0 +) so it won't be functional for the HTC Dream/G1 with that official 1.6. Luckily you have the option of "final build" (umm stable?) of Android 2.1 with the CyanogenMOD 5.0.7. This would mean you have to learn some technical things and go through the risk of bricking your phone, but are well rewarded.
More bad news is that its still early and most likely will be aimed at the Nexus One, which should run fullspeed once major bugs are removed.
And some speculation here but even more bad news is that it won't be free (judging from Zodtt's track-record of having to buy things through Cydia for iPhone Apps).
Heres the link:
http://digitaldisbeliever.net/2010/06/zodttd-is-showing-some-love-to-android/
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Well that is not entirely correct.
The default application framework is dalvik, which is almost Java; but it is alse possibly to develop applications for android in native code, if you need to, take a look at the Android NDK.
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from ZODTTD (Great developer of numerous Emulators for iPhone):
in Dev Talk, ZodTTD News by ZodTTD on April 15th, 2010
" But most impressive of all is the 1300+ signatures received for me to support Android developments of VLC and some higher end emulators. It can be seen and supported here (http://www.petitiononline.com/ZodAndro) I’m working on getting a new Nexus One (as my previous one is on loan to a friend) so I can start developing on it."
I guess this means good things lie in our future. (well maybe not us G1 users)
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I've just sign in - 1932 signs now
keep signing
having an emulator made by ZodTTd would mean a verrrrryyyy poor game compatibility and very few fps.
Just look at what PSX4iphone can do on a 3GS: maybe only 2 games running full speed with sound (in fact, I think wipeout is the only games I've seen running full speed on an iphone. Youtube is full of FF7 videos but you'll never see casting big magic spells or big battles in these videos...And tekken 3 is so slow that it's just a pain...)
So if results are already poor on it's original device that has a not that bad CPU.....
i900frenchaddict said:
having an emulator made by ZodTTd would mean a verrrrryyyy poor game compatibility and very few fps.
Just look at what PSX4iphone can do on a 3GS: maybe only 2 games running full speed with sound (in fact, I think wipeout is the only games I've seen running full speed on an iphone. Youtube is full of FF7 videos but you'll never see casting big magic spells or big battles in these videos...And tekken 3 is so slow that it's just a pain...)
So if results are already poor on it's original device that has a not that bad CPU.....
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Yes but the Snapdragon of the nexus one and the HTC desire is a lot faster than the Iphone 3gs. And almost every year cpu power(not mhz) is doubled. So within a year you would have a pretty good working emu on a high end android system.
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Yes but the Snapdragon of the nexus one and the HTC desire is a lot faster than the Iphone 3gs. And almost every year cpu power(not mhz) is doubled. So within a year you would have a pretty good working emu on a high end android system.
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He is right that Zod won't be able to polish it as much as he does with the ones for the iPhone.
However, Zod did tell me that his N64 emulator is much more efficient than his PSX, so there is alot of room for improvement on the psx4android.
The biggest problem of course is hardware acceleration. The layers of VirtualMachine in Androids' coding allows for media to run in several standards to allow compatability at the expense of performance. And there are other factors too. For instance, the Motorola Milestone` has roughly equivalent graphics grunt as the Acer Liquid E`. However, PSX emulation should be very disappointing on the Motorola Milestone whereas it should be perfect (full speed + sound) for the Snapdragon devices.
Why? The emulators rely primarily on the CPU for drawing the graphics, where the potential of the GPU is left unused. The Motorola has a weaker CPU and decent GPU, in contrast the Snapdragon has a powerful CPU but disgraceful GPU. So the performance [of emulator] is biased towards the Snapdragon devices and that's not a good thing.
Here's why:
The CPU could do the graphics just fine it will only mean it would have to be pushed hard (more wear n tear), there won't be much processing power left (goodbye multitasking), the CPU would waste more battery than the GPU* (an important point when it comes to portability) and the emulator would run much slower^.
The future is looking at devices that have SoC's with powerful CPU's and GPU's where different cores can be shutdown. And on top of this it's looking for software that allows for cross-compatability across different processors (SoC's/x86/MIPS) within a certain level of performance loss. I see the greatest potential in MeeGo (a light and secure Linux) with cross-compatability (when based on Qt) on devices like OMAP44xx's (>1Ghz Dual Cortex 9 CPU) with modern graphics (SGX543MP8 ~ ATi HD3470). The technology is there but the market will have to mature before you can get one, ie people spending.
*usually the case when the CPU stays on idle and GPU is used but not always.
^Next gen GPU's are alot more powerful and better at drawing graphics (obviously) and can be switched off by the SoC when unused like Tegra/OMAP series.