I may be being totally daft, but I can't seem to find anywhere in the interface that has the supposed TouchFlo features. The contact app seems to be just the regular WM6 one.
Can someone please give me an example of where the TouchFlo features are used on the Kaiser?
It's pretty subtle, if you are in a long document, say contacts, you can touch the screen downward in a sweeping motion and the contacts should scroll down continuously. You should hear clicking like a roulette wheel, slowing down till it stops. (You can disable that sound). This works vertical and horizontal (if there is reason to scroll).
It's pretty subtle. Some have complained that it doesn't work well with IE and have loaded Opera-Mini to get that functionality to work better. I've tried both and they seem to work OK for me.
It's not very well implemented.
This is the difference between actually creating something useful and adding a feature just to have it on a checklist ("can scroll using flick like iphone") !
Thanks for the replies, I finally get it. It's pretty lame as-is, I really hope someone will manage to extend the functionality in a custom rom in the future.
Odie85 said:
Thanks for the replies, I finally get it. It's pretty lame as-is, I really hope someone will manage to extend the functionality in a custom rom in the future.
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It is not that lame, in my opinion. actually, it is rather more useful than the whole cube-thing implemented on the Touch. ie, if your in the car and try to get to a certain contact or scroll a word doc, it is a lot easier to just touch the screen with your finger rather than use the stylus to scroll using the scroll bars.
i like this feature and i dont consider it as a just-to-be-there feature.
I'm pretty sure my palm pda/phone from 5 years ago had Touch Flo
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ionutz6 said:
It is not that lame, in my opinion. actually, it is rather more useful than the whole cube-thing implemented on the Touch. ie, if your in the car and try to get to a certain contact or scroll a word doc, it is a lot easier to just touch the screen with your finger rather than use the stylus to scroll using the scroll bars.
i like this feature and i dont consider it as a just-to-be-there feature.
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Is Touchflo easier to use than the scroll wheel?
does down on the dpad not work?
eric b
RacerX10 said:
I'm pretty sure my palm pda/phone from 5 years ago had Touch Flo
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Yeah.... and pigs might fly...
Is there a reg tweak to alter the direct of the scrolling...so when i wipe down the screen it scrolls down instead of up?
It seemes to me as though its the wrong way round.
Moaske said:
Yeah.... and pigs might fly...
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no, seriously .. i remember using my finger to scroll pages on it's browser .. Samsung SPH-i300
check this page :
http://www.palm.com/us/products/handhelds/e2/e2_blazer.html
and note :
Improved Usability
Drag the stylus anywhere on screen to scroll a web page. Increase viewable content on the screen with the small font option. Get essential starting tips through the Help menu.
Isn't that what TouchFlo does ?
J273 said:
Is there a reg tweak to alter the direct of the scrolling...so when i wipe down the screen it scrolls down instead of up?
It seemes to me as though its the wrong way round.
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imagine a piece of paper that you could only see though a small hole (screensize). if you pressed your finger down on the paper, and slide it toward you (down), the text on that paper would appear to scroll up, and vice versa...
by the time someone finds the reg tweak, we'll all probably be used to it...
zetajunkie said:
imagine a piece of paper that you could only see though a small hole (screensize). if you pressed your finger down on the paper, and slide it toward you (down), the text on that paper would appear to scroll up, and vice versa...
by the time someone finds the reg tweak, we'll all probably be used to it...
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Yeah i know what your saying...But to me it just seems wrong which is why i pretty much don't use it.....Im pretty much used to now scrolling using the scroll bar.
and to me it would be much more useful if it was the other way.
J273 said:
Is there a reg tweak to alter the direct of the scrolling...so when i wipe down the screen it scrolls down instead of up?
It seemes to me as though its the wrong way round.
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You want it to act like the scroll bar, basically.
TouchFlo=Iphone WannaBe Marketing Trick
Someone else said earlier and they were dead on: all these top of the line pocket pc /cell phone makers got blind sided by Apple's touch screen, which basically makes the Iphone.
So a smart alec at HTC said "let's whip out a touch flo phone, out comes the HTC Touch, and now let's plaster touch technology everywhere on each model as a marketing gimmick to keep up with the Jones' "
I mean 1 million Iphones sold since June 29th as of today...what choice did they have?
The reslut: Touch Flo technology a la cheap, not using the right screen (Iphone screens cost up the wazoo and are made by Balda of Germany) and is basically no different than the D pad...so NO, HTC phones do not have ANY touch tech. yet.
ionutz6 said:
It is not that lame, in my opinion. actually, it is rather more useful than the whole cube-thing implemented on the Touch. ie, if your in the car and try to get to a certain contact or scroll a word doc, it is a lot easier to just touch the screen with your finger rather than use the stylus to scroll using the scroll bars.
i like this feature and i dont consider it as a just-to-be-there feature.
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Well if you are driving, you shouldn't be using your phone, either with stylus or finger.
KCMatt said:
Is Touchflo easier to use than the scroll wheel?
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For me it is. especially if it is in internet explorer, where the scroll wheel jumps from link to link, while the touchflo scrolls pages. i know we can modify the scroll wheel behaviour to scroll pages as well, but as it came from the factory this is the behaviour.
plus, if u are driving, it is easier to just touch the display once rather than keep your finger pressed on the d-button or on the wheel.
just my 0.05USD..
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Well if you are driving, you shouldn't be using your phone, either with stylus or finger.
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well, excuse me, mr. officer..
i love the touchflo...works just like the iphone especially when working with large spreadsheets.
I love the touchflo as well. VueFlo sux compared to TouchFlo
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Imagine how easy it would be if IE in Windows mobile supported scrolling ( horizontal and vertical ) using a finger ( Touch ) ? Where do we raise this request with Microsoft ?
dude, it certain phones already have it, namely, the kaiser who's forum you posted in
Bravo could you tell me how that works? on my Kaiser if I scroll in IE by dragging top to bottom (and vice versa) all I get is highlighted text.
Try using your finger rather than using the stylus.
Was using my finger the first time, dragging from top of the middle of the screen to the bottom. Using T-Mob Vario III out of the box ROM. Must be a duff one
bravo261 said:
dude, it certain phones already have it, namely, the kaiser who's forum you posted in
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No bravo , it doesn't work good in IE . Open Google Map do some finger scrolling then compare to IE and you will know what I mean.
Mine does, using HTC Rom.
I think HTC calls it TouchFLO, you can use your finger. Just press firmly. It will only highlight text if you touch it like a girly-man.
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I think HTC calls it TouchFLO, you can use your finger. Just press firmly. It will only highlight text if you touch it like a girly-man.
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You are ALL NOT paying attention , See what you can do in GoogleMaps or Iphone's Safari and you will understand.
FLO Touch scrolls only horiz. or vertical at a time. With Safari your finger grabs the map and moves in all directions.
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You are ALL NOT paying attention , See what you can do in GoogleMaps or Iphone's Safari and you will understand.
FLO Touch scrolls only horiz. or vertical at a time. With Safari your finger grabs the map and moves in all directions.
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Umm, it will only scroll up and down if the page only needs to go up and down. If you go to a page that needs to span more than the width, then it does go left/right.
YOU are the one not listening. TouchFLO on Kaiser does go in any direction when it makes sense to.
You may have your IE set to only show things in one column, in which case it forces the page to fit in only one screen width.
And if you think Pocket IE works like Safari, your'e mistaken. I suggest you do a search on this forum or HoFo for "Browser Bible" and you will find a comprehensive comparison of the browsers available for WM6. And you will then get to see which ones act most like Safari.
OK i agree there is some stickness in IE with touch flo. But the same thing in Google Maps is 10 times smoother.
Not a perfect solution, but:
Try the AddOn MultiIE.
http://www.southwaycorp.net/
You will find a function called screen drag...I think this will fit your suggestion...
I use this function for 2 years now on my wizard and it workes like a charm...;-)
I suggest you look into Opera Mini.
All the videos I've seen show the UI being used with the finger? Are there any every day tasks that you can't do using the TF3D UI? I fully accept that 3rd party apps may require the stylus as to some obscure settings under WM so I'm really after any every day type tasks.
TIA
to be honest, I never use the stylus anymore!
Thought that was an ear cleaner lol
Hamudi2000 said:
to be honest, I never use the stylus anymore!
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The same here!!!
Yea.. ever since I got the Cruise, I hardly used the stylus!
Same thing with the Diamond. Only for scribbling notes...
I use the stylus on the diamond quite a bit actually...mainly because even with all those tweaks to tf3d...its still a bit laggy imo ie when i go to close programs from the task manager i use the stylus...sometimes i just find it easier to use than say my finger....not quite used to the touchscreen with my fingers.
Soft-reset!
i think in the week and a half i have had this thing, i've only used the stylus for soft resetting as chainfire has said, and occasional letters on the full qwerty where i hadn't aligned the screen properly.
i find that after a bit of practice, youcan do pretty much anything on this thing with your fingers or in my case a thumb, the touchflo seems to allow for a little inaccuracy in that regard
I use it to click on those really teeny buttons like the X and task manager.
sometimes it just gets frustrating, on one hand they call it a TOUCH diamond and yet the user interface is not *as* consistent as it should be for full finger input only.
styluslessness...
Im the same, ever since Ive had the Ameo ive not really used the stylus on phones, the more i dont have the use it the better.
The touchflo3D does make things alot easier and alot of it seems to make sense how the ui works, rather than having to revert back to the standard windows mobile interface. All it needed was bigger buttons! Now theres a thought! hehe.
So far, touch diamond = all good!
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Soft-reset!
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WTF is with the really difficut to reach soft reset button?
And from using Mark's one for about 10 minuted, I didn't need the stylus once, and thats pretty amazing considering I used my stylus loads on my Elfin.
Rory
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Soft-reset!
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If thats aimed at me then ive soft resetted the phone a good few times. Its not as laggy as it was before the tweaks to tf3d...the tweaks really did help but i have absolutely no qualms about using the stylus to make my way around the phone.
I use the stylus when i need to get somewhere quick.
Eg
- i need to make an urgent phone call to someone who isnt in my recent call list, Using your finger you'll probably dial someone else by mistake
- To send a text message quickly, without messing around deleteating letters and correcting the T9.
- For navigating outside of touch flow.
Its a great phone, but the screen sensativity isnt great, and to be honest its inconsistant - better in the middle, and worse at the sides. So its too easy to select the wrong thing. Especially in touchflo when scrolling etc.
I use it for pretty much all text entry - emails, SMS, notes, etc.
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The same here!!!
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Actually I try to use the stylus whenever I can cuz i hate fingerprints on the screen.. yuck.
After having a Touch a few months back, i thought the Diamond would be a breeze. NO such luck in my experience.
For example. On the main home screen. How do you edit that so it's just the clock or, to add more to the list that currently shows calendar and call history? I can't find any way to do this so if you can enlighten me, i'd really appreciate it.
What about when texting? Is there any way to make the keypad a different size? Personally i can't find a way to edit that. It's annoying that after adding your contacts name, you seemingly have 90% of the screen filled with the entry system and you have to mess about to get to the message section of the screen. Guessing i've missed something somewhere!
Zooming in on a photo... how is that done? Orange's CD ROM User Manual is vague to say the least so if you can assist here to, please do.
This thread could become a handy hints and tips chart for beginners if all feedback is good so if you have a question or some simple advice for settings and the way to go around things, chuck a note in and someone will be very happy to see the reply
1) Well if u flick ur finger in an upward motion on the home screen u'll notice the clock becoming smaller and will list all the list all ur appointments from ur calendar...
2) If u are not satisfied in the HTC Keyboard, u will need to look into other keyboards my fav personally is Touchpal from Cootek and there is even resco keyboard which is pretty gud.
3) You can only zoom in a picture when u r in the HTC Album, in order to zoom you will need to rotate your finger clockwise or anti-clockwise i am always forget which is for zooming so u will need chk tht out...
I hope these tips helps u out....
whitefalcon said:
1) Well if u flick ur finger in an upward motion on the home screen u'll notice the clock becoming smaller and will list all the list all ur appointments from ur calendar...
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not all the appointments....
KukurikU said:
not all the appointments....
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Hmmmmmm, i see. Shame that somehow we can't take the good things from the Touch like the Home screen as standard and have them in the 3D instead. If any cab compilers are reading this, maybe it's something that could be done?
Along those lines, maybe someone could rip out the original texting keyboard, the smaller more compact one... better for stylus use and enables you to see more screen. I HATE the big finger pad they've put on the Diamond. Is is really necessary to have it that big? Surely if you're going to use the stylus (i mean if HTC didn't want us to use one, then ALL the functions and menus would be larger, yes?), then why provide us with one in the first place?!?!!
TheShowStopper said:
Hmmmmmm, i see. Shame that somehow we can't take the good things from the Touch like the Home screen as standard and have them in the 3D instead. If any cab compilers are reading this, maybe it's something that could be done?
Along those lines, maybe someone could rip out the original texting keyboard, the smaller more compact one... better for stylus use and enables you to see more screen. I HATE the big finger pad they've put on the Diamond. Is is really necessary to have it that big? Surely if you're going to use the stylus (i mean if HTC didn't want us to use one, then ALL the functions and menus would be larger, yes?), then why provide us with one in the first place?!?!!
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There are multiple SIPs already built into the Diamond. Holding your finger or stylus on the small arrow next to the keypad button when input is allowed will display the menu, from there you can select the Windows SIP which is tiny and stylus friendly...
Reading the manual is a good idea before posting dude. Or even a search
dickenz said:
There are multiple SIPs already built into the Diamond. Holding your finger or stylus on the small arrow next to the keypad button when input is allowed will display the menu, from there you can select the Windows SIP which is tiny and stylus friendly...
Reading the manual is a good idea before posting dude. Or even a search
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Well thanks for that reply. I'll have a mess about with that one.
That took no time at all. NO WINDOWS SIP on my handset. All i have are the following... BLOCK, COMPACT, FULL, KEYBOARD, LETTER, PHONEPAD and TRANSCRIBER *sigh*
What bloody version have you got?!?!!
Oh and for the record Mr Read-The-Text-Provided (lol)... did i not say this? ---> Orange's CD ROM User Manual is vague to say the least so if you can assist here to, please do.
Hmmmmm, i think i did!
Ok... answer this one then. Every other HTC phone i have had has done this but not on the Diamond. When you receive a simple thing like an mms or a text, the screen lights to give a clue in case you never heard the message laert. How you you activate THAT cus i'm not seeing how it'ds done anywhere.
Clues please?
I agree - the 'manual/instructions' Orange sent were non-existent and as a first time PPC user I was totally lost until I had a nosey around here and to be fair am still learning all what this phone can do!
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Well thanks for that reply. I'll have a mess about with that one.
Ok... answer this one then. Every other HTC phone i have had has done this but not on the Diamond. When you receive a simple thing like an mms or a text, the screen lights to give a clue in case you never heard the message laert. How you you activate THAT cus i'm not seeing how it'ds done anywhere.
Clues please?
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Install Diamond Tweak, which is available here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409540
and that gives you the option to enable this feature. (along with tons of other tweaks to!)
Hope this helps!
AGxM said:
I agree - the 'manual/instructions' Orange sent were non-existent and as a first time PPC user I was totally lost until I had a nosey around here and to be fair am still learning all what this phone can do!
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Oh i can answer what it can do for you in one simple phrase mate. It can screw ya head up!
HTC want a good kicking if you ask me. The thing as I see it is this. If they'd have kept the basics as it was on the Kaiser (Tytn II) and THEN added the 3D, all would have been superb.
As for Orange... well, nuff said
tomchap said:
Install Diamond Tweak, which is available here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409540
and that gives you the option to enable this feature. (along with tons of other tweaks to!)
Hope this helps!
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Cheers for the help there dude. One slight problem that springs to mind.
The 'light handset upon a text arriving' comment i made... what the HELL would that tweak come under?!?!! lol
TheShowStopper said:
Cheers for the help there dude. One slight problem that springs to mind.
The 'light handset upon a text arriving' comment i made... what the HELL would that tweak come under?!?!! lol
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It comes under 'Wake on New Sms'
A wee bit of advice, there are loads of people on here who will always be glad to help, but the tone of your posts is not one which will make folk jump to help you
bonsaiboyz said:
It comes under 'Wake on New Sms'
A wee bit of advice, there are loads of people on here who will always be glad to help, but the tone of your posts is not one which will make folk jump to help you
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Thanks for that chap. My tone? Oh well if i've offended anyone then i apologise. I'm just a bit jumpy when things don't go according to plan and my comments come over as slightly abrasive when in fact, they're supposed to come over as a normal question but in a jokey type manner. I get that in a face to face sitation to so i know exactly what you're saying.
Again, thanks for the reply though. Much appreciated
Hello,
I would like to know if there is an app for the Diamond that allow to do what my subject say.
I know about Schaps' 5.0 ROM, but first it's not out, and second you'll need to upgrade ROM.
For a programing layman like me, it seems pretty straight forward to build a software that allow it. We can already use the capacitive round button in order to scroll lists, so what is the big problem using the G sensor to do the same thing ?
As a side note, Scroll by touch is a horrible experience on any WM device, it is simply not accurate enough to be useful, you keep entering programs when all you wanted to do is scroll, and if you don't enter programs it's still very hard to apply the needed pressure to scroll at the right velocity which will allow stopping where you want.
Noam23 said:
Hello,
As a side note, Scroll by touch is a horrible experience on any WM device, it is simply not accurate enough to be useful, you keep entering programs when all you wanted to do is scroll, and if you don't enter programs it's still very hard to apply the needed pressure to scroll at the right velocity which will allow stopping where you want.
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Try adjusting the pressure threshold in scaps advanced config. Wow this is really turning into a begginer forum!
No matter what you level you set it, it suck. Try using an iphone and you'll understand.
Ive tried many roms cooked by you guys and cannot seem to find what i want. simply put i want to know if there has or is a plan to develop a rom more designed for fingers and not styluses? i like having the option of an onscreen keyboard but my fingers disagree with it.
youngalumni said:
Ive tried many roms cooked by you guys and cannot seem to find what i want. simply put i want to know if there has or is a plan to develop a rom more designed for fingers and not styluses? i like having the option of an onscreen keyboard but my fingers disagree with it.
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instead of starting a new thread for this why not just pm each chef and ask
i was looking for insight from other users as well
msd24200 said:
instead of starting a new thread for this why not just pm each chef and ask
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Yep
Finger friendly ROM? Your more likely to find Finger Freindly GUI's, take a look around @ what you can use GUI or even Today Plugins depending on what sort of setup you want?
M2D is Finger Freindly for me...
Re: Keyboards plenty of Finger Freindly Keyboards, i use TouchPal not amazing with fingers but makes stylus use more bearable and has loadz of options.....
A good look in Dev section and Google is your friend "will help loadz"
http://m-s-j.net/TPC/ELITE/cabs/apps/keyboards/EZinput 2.33859 NoArrows.cab
That cab is a bigger keyboard, more user friendly...
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Finger friendly ROM? Your more likely to find Finger Freindly GUI's, take a look around @ what you can use GUI or even Today Plugins depending on what sort of setup you want?
M2D is Finger Freindly for me...
Re: Keyboards plenty of Finger Freindly Keyboards, i use TouchPal not amazing with fingers but makes stylus use more bearable and has loadz of options.....
A good look in Dev section and Google is your friend "will help loadz"
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next month stylez
Actually, this brings up a question I've pondered and have somewhat answered which is "how 'finger-friendly' can a kaiser even be?" The touchscreen itself is designed for the stylus, unlike the iPhone which works best when touched by the pad of a finger and won't even acknowledge when I've inadvertantly used my stylus.
Basically, the kaiser is designed to work with the pinpoint touch of the stylus and can't truly be "finger friendly", right?
i would have to disagree oscar, if you want to make the kaiser more touch friendly, all you simply have to do is make larger icons, most of the new roms use the larger icons and are real touch friendly(ive gone without using my stylus for almost a week now).
the only thing which can really make kaiser not touch friendly is the size of the screen and number of pixels(you need more precision bcuz of this). Because the screen is so small, you cant really fit a lot on there, so to make it more touch friendly you can either make the icons larger and change the name of the phone from HTC TILT to HTC SCROLL(get it, lol, rofl, roflcopter, lmao, roflmao,)
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man HTC SCROLL............lol, still laughing
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i would have to disagree oscar, if you want to make the kaiser more touch friendly, all you simply have to do is make larger icons, most of the new roms use the larger icons and are real touch friendly(ive gone without using my stylus for almost a week now).
the only thing which can really make kaiser not touch friendly is the size of the screen and number of pixels(you need more precision bcuz of this). Because the screen is so small, you cant really fit a lot on there, so to make it more touch friendly you can either make the icons larger and change the name of the phone from HTC TILT to HTC SCROLL(get it, lol, rofl, roflcopter, lmao, roflmao,)
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i cant remember what i was gonna type, i will add something there when i remember.
man HTC SCROLL............lol, still laughing
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the reality is the screen on the kaiser isn't as responsive as other more advanced phones out there, so even you make the icons bigger, there's still a chance that the device won't register the press exactly where you want it to. I've tried all the SIP's out there and I must say, the kaiser just isn't meant for typing onscreen without a stylus. it took me 2 and sometimes 3 times as long to type a text message with the SIP than with the hardware keyboard.
yes, you can make the kaiser 'finger-friendly' by making the icons bigger and adding the large start menus and all that, but the fact of the matter is, the phone was designed during the time when microsoft didn't understand that people didn't like using styli
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i would have to disagree oscar, if you want to make the kaiser more touch friendly, all you simply have to do is make larger icons, most of the new roms use the larger icons and are real touch friendly(ive gone without using my stylus for almost a week now).
the only thing which can really make kaiser not touch friendly is the size of the screen and number of pixels(you need more precision bcuz of this). Because the screen is so small, you cant really fit a lot on there, so to make it more touch friendly you can either make the icons larger and change the name of the phone from HTC TILT to HTC SCROLL(get it, lol, rofl, roflcopter, lmao, roflmao,)
or
i cant remember what i was gonna type, i will add something there when i remember.
man HTC SCROLL............lol, still laughing
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"... or
i cant remember what i was gonna type, i will add something there when i remember."
Now THAT made me laugh even more than the HTC SCROLL (which was already fun). I agree with your general point, though.
poppinpengawen said:
the reality is the screen on the kaiser isn't as responsive as other more advanced phones out there, so even you make the icons bigger, there's still a chance that the device won't register the press exactly where you want it to. I've tried all the SIP's out there and I must say, the kaiser just isn't meant for typing onscreen without a stylus. it took me 2 and sometimes 3 times as long to type a text message with the SIP than with the hardware keyboard.
yes, you can make the kaiser 'finger-friendly' by making the icons bigger and adding the large start menus and all that, but the fact of the matter is, the phone was designed during the time when microsoft didn't understand that people didn't like using styli
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You may be right there; especially typing is not very easy on the soft keyboard. However, I have never tried it on an #-Phone (I'm sorry, I was taught not to use swear words): I suspect that even the #-Phone's soft keyboard is much worse than a hardware keyboard.
Apart from typing text, my experiences with using the Kaiser without stylus are quite good. It greatly depends on what programs you use. Many, including the stock ones, have unresponsive buttons, like the phone dialer. However, I use Resco Contact Manager, which has a dialer without any delays, wonderful. Some SIPs have no delays either.
Oh, and I always set the screen to more responsive in the registry, that makes a huge difference.