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I have been lusting after a Windows Mobile device for around two years, just waiting until the perfect phone came along. Finally the Kaiser is here, minus the VGA display, but seemingly everything else I could ever want. I would prefer to buy the unlocked version, but I have a serious reservation. While I waited for the Kaiser, I bought an unlocked Nokia 6131, but I had no luck making certain features (mobile web, sending pics to email) work on Cingular/AT&T wireless. I would be rather pissed if I bought a $800 BRICK!
My question: I know many of you are using the Kaiser on AT&T here in the USA. Is there a definitive source for the settings needed to use the EDGE and 3G networks? Could someone please post the link or the settings here? One thread I read indicated that the Kaiser automatically connects to these networks--is that true?
There are a lot of inexperienced people out there posting rubbish answers to questions like this. I'm a noob and I wouldn't presume to give advice to someone unless I knew what I was talking about. I'm hoping this thread will be useful to anyone considering an unlocked Kaiser, so please keep the misinformation to a minimum.
Thanks!
I'm using Kaiser in California on AT&T. I have 3G at my house, and there were no settings that were required for the phone to work. I put in the sim and it took off running. I've sent pics, text, slingbox streaming video, email, no issues at all.
I did load a different comm manager with a "3G" button to hold off 3G to save battery and give me control as to when I need a fast connection.
I use it in NYC on AT-T/Cingular and have no issues I use the wap.cingular settings for data and MMS since I hate MediaNet. But it works great and have 1.2MB download speeds every time I test.
Thanks for the quick replys. I was under the impression that the Kaiser came with the ability to turn off the 3G when you are out of range, is that not the case? Also, what are the wap.cingular settings that you are referring to? Did you have to input them before the phone worked? (I'm sorry for my ignorance!)
If you buy an unlocked TyTN II, it comes with a configuration app for most carriers including AT&T/Cingular. So, it works essentially out of the box with the 3G/Edge and of course phone network.
But even so, if you need to manually config it, here are the entries. Note, there are 2 different network APNs for AT&T depending on what plan you have. If you have a MediaMax, MediaNET, or Smartphone pdata plan, then use the first. If you have a PDA plan, then use the second set.
Connects to: The Internet
Access point: wap.cingular
Username: [email protected]
Password: CINGULAR1
Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0
Secondary DNS: 0.0.0.0
IP address: (blank)
Connects to: The Internet
Access point: ISP.CINGULAR
User name: [email protected]
Password: CINGULAR1
Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0
Secondary DNS: 0.0.0.0
IP address: (blank)
You can do a google on wap.cingular also, and will take you to many pages with more detailed instructions also.
jomo25 said:
If you buy an unlocked TyTN II, it comes with a configuration app for most carriers including AT&T/Cingular. So, it works essentially out of the box with the 3G/Edge and of course phone network.
But even so, if you need to manually config it, here are the entries. Note, there are 2 different network APNs for AT&T depending on what plan you have. If you have a MediaMax, MediaNET, or Smartphone pdata plan, then use the first. If you have a PDA plan, then use the second set.
Connects to: The Internet
Access point: wap.cingular
Username: [email protected]
Password: CINGULAR1
Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0
Secondary DNS: 0.0.0.0
IP address: (blank)
Connects to: The Internet
Access point: ISP.CINGULAR
User name: [email protected]
Password: CINGULAR1
Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0
Secondary DNS: 0.0.0.0
IP address: (blank)
You can do a google on wap.cingular also, and will take you to many pages with more detailed instructions also.
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As I mentioned, I'm doing fine with the initial startup when I installed my sim card. However, I do have a PDA plan so I did add MyISP with ISP.CINGULAR to connect to the internet.
I still see the unit connect via MediaNet for certain applications but can't find where that config is located as I only have one defined connection labeled AT&T GPRS with the ISP.CINGULAR access point.
Does anyone have an idea as to why that would be?
I'm with AT&T in CA and am using the iPhone plan. The auto config sets the data connection to ISP.CINGULAR. You'll need to change it to WAP to get connected properly for Gmail and Internet. ISP works but only for the Internet. For some reason it fails for email, Gmail POP3 email anyway.
My connection switches automatically between EDGE, GPRS and HSDPA.
RemE said:
As I mentioned, I'm doing fine with the initial startup when I installed my sim card. However, I do have a PDA plan so I did add MyISP with ISP.CINGULAR to connect to the internet.
I still see the unit connect via MediaNet for certain applications but can't find where that config is located as I only have one defined connection labeled AT&T GPRS with the ISP.CINGULAR access point.
Does anyone have an idea as to why that would be?
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It's hidden. Mine does the same, even tho both the visible "My ISP" and hiddne "Media NET" connect to the same place. It might be viewable in the registry...
Under Start - Settings - Connection Tab - Connections, checkout Edit Work settings...that's where I found Medianet settings.
Does Blackberry Connect fall under a PDA plan? Basically, should I use the ISP.Cingular?
cman6453 said:
I'm with AT&T in CA and am using the iPhone plan. The auto config sets the data connection to ISP.CINGULAR. You'll need to change it to WAP to get connected properly for Gmail and Internet. ISP works but only for the Internet. For some reason it fails for email, Gmail POP3 email anyway.
My connection switches automatically between EDGE, GPRS and HSDPA.
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I didn't know you could get an iPhone plan (unlimited EDGE, no 3G) for a device other than the iPhone. How did you pull that off?
caleymac said:
Under Start - Settings - Connection Tab - Connections, checkout Edit Work settings...that's where I found Medianet settings.
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Found it Thanks! I went to the connections tab, didn't see MediaNet. It turns out that it was a pull-down choice for both Internet and Work fields. I just pulled down MediaNet for work, then went into Edit, tapped and held to delete the MediaNet entry. Now it's gone from the pull downs.
When I was speed testing the Internet Sharing with my Laptop, I found that when using speedtest.net that the wap.cingular connection shows it's origin on the USA Map in SpeedTest as Florida (I'm in Calif). When I ran Speedtest using isp.cingular, the location origin was Los Angeles and it tested faster for me.
RemE said:
Found it Thanks! I went to the connections tab, didn't see MediaNet. It turns out that it was a pull-down choice for both Internet and Work fields. I just pulled down MediaNet for work, then went into Edit, tapped and held to delete the MediaNet entry. Now it's gone from the pull downs.
When I was speed testing the Internet Sharing with my Laptop, I found that when using speedtest.net that the wap.cingular connection shows it's origin on the USA Map in SpeedTest as Florida (I'm in Calif). When I ran Speedtest using isp.cingular, the location origin was Los Angeles and it tested faster for me.
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Thats Bizzare... For me, I am on the PDA connect plan and I am forced to use wep.cingular, because, I can't connect to ISP.Cingular... When I asked ATT about this, she said, "We are migrating all users regardless of whether they are on the PDA or Media net to the wep.cingular access point... I had a notion she was full of it, but now I know she is full of it...
With the pda plan I shouldnt have any problem connecting to isp.cingular, correct?
JB
I'm on the unlimited PDA plan and using isp.cingular
RemE said:
I'm on the unlimited PDA plan and using isp.cingular
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Did you have to give them the IMEI #?
I just got off the phone with a supervisor from ATT telling them that I want to know why I can't access ISP.CINGULAR ap and only the WEP.CINGULAR.
Their answer was because they don't know my IMEI number and that if I gave that to them then it would work... I told them thats Customer support BS and that I can't find my IMEI number. I also told em that if my phone is capable of connecting to the wep.cingular ap that there is no reason I wouldn't be able to connect to the isp.cingular ap unless I wasn't provisioned for the PDA plan and just provisioned for the media net plan, even though I am paying the extra 20 dollars for the PDA plan...
I can't stand ATT, I am with them only to get 3g in Los Angeles.. As soon as another company matches what att has to offer I'm leaving att...
Anyone have any ideas and advice about this?
JB
RemE, did you purchase your old 8525 from cingular? If so, then they obviously have your 8525 imei#. Did you ever tell them you upgraded from the 8525 to the Kaiser? If not.. then they probably think your still on the 8525. If so, then the 8525 is a pda which the kaiser is as well, which means that maybe they won't provision you for the pda plan unless they know your using a pda.
Just a thought.
JB
No, I set up the account initially with a Razr on Cingular, migrated to a 8525 and expanded to unlimited data. I was using wap.cingular all that time, didn't know about isp.cingular. I had noticed the origin as Florida when speed testing the connection.
When I got the Kaiser, popped the SIM in and it auto created the MediaNet connection. In reading this forum I found the isp.cingular and gave it a try and found that it shows origin in LA, so I went that route and now have deleted MediaNet. I haven't had any contact with AT&T about any of this.
Edit; they have my 8525 imei on file as my current phone.
RemE said:
No, I set up the account initially with a Razr on Cingular, migrated to a 8525 and expanded to unlimited data. I was using wap.cingular all that time, didn't know about isp.cingular. I had noticed the origin as Florida when speed testing the connection.
When I got the Kaiser, popped the SIM in and it auto created the MediaNet connection. In reading this forum I found the isp.cingular and gave it a try and found that it shows origin in LA, so I went that route and now have deleted MediaNet. I haven't had any contact with AT&T about any of this.
Edit; they have my 8525 imei on file as my current phone.
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So when you migrated to the 8525, Cingular knew about it, right?
JB
hey guys, just got the tilt, awesome so far. the 5.99 tzones proxy deal works perfectly on my dash, and now i'm trying to get it to work on the tilt, just dont know how to enter the settings. any help would be great, thanks
omar
nobody knows??
omaralt said:
nobody knows??
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I didn't try it with the AT&T ROM but with HTC ROM, it will ask if you want to configure the data settings for Tmobile as soon as it detects the Tmobile SIM card.
thanks, but i'm using the atnt rom for right now, so if anybody has those settings i'd appreciate it, thanks
omar
i also have my tilt unlocked and when i put in a tmobiel sim it does ask if i want to reconfigure ....but of course thats for htc rom....so i would advise to flash if you can not find a way to use your tzone
so are you using the 5.99 plan with htc rom?
i also have a Unlocked Tilt on T-Mobile any way to get data to work with out a ROM MOD
start>settings>connections>connections
under proxy settings check: this network connects to the internet
check this network uses a proxy server to connect to the internet
proxy server should be :216.155.165.50
click advanced
http: 216.155.165.50:8080
wap: 216.155.165.50:9201
secure wap: 216.155.165.50:9201
socks (blank)
under modem, your access point name should be : wap.voicestream.com
name and password blank.
under advanced check use server assigned ip address
use software compression
use ip header compression.
hope this works for you, i forget which order to do it.
Thanks, those setting works for me.
will those settings work with the t-mo unl data plan?
mrbkkt1 said:
start>settings>connections>connections
under proxy settings check: this network connects to the internet
check this network uses a proxy server to connect to the internet
proxy server should be :216.155.165.50
click advanced
http: 216.155.165.50:8080
wap: 216.155.165.50:9201
secure wap: 216.155.165.50:9201
socks (blank)
under modem, your access point name should be : wap.voicestream.com
name and password blank.
under advanced check use server assigned ip address
use software compression
use ip header compression.
hope this works for you, i forget which order to do it.
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thanks so much, these worked for me also....
Yeah those setting work good on all the different rom, i have used.. ATT,HTC, Now Dutty's.. I am gonna be very disappointed if they ever close the loop hole!
how slow is that tmobile internet... i have heard its very slow...
tseten said:
how slow is that tmobile internet... i have heard its very slow...
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It's significantly faster if you use the internet3 vpn apn.
I'm curious...does anyone see speed differences with "use software compression
use ip header compression. " enabled or disabled? Seems the same to me.
oh i was referring the slow internet to the tmobiles $5.99 plan...
i know they have a $20 a month plan for the smart phones, obviously that one better be fast for that kind of price....
crazysim said:
will those settings work with the t-mo unl data plan?
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unlimited data plan should work w/ the base settings.. from the settings wizard.
tseten said:
oh i was referring the slow internet to the tmobiles $5.99 plan...
i know they have a $20 a month plan for the smart phones, obviously that one better be fast for that kind of price....
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I used to have the unlimited data plan.... IT was always slow for me, same as tzones, but for the price......
I'd pay the money for speed.
tmobiles data connection sucks...but if u have an unlocked att tilt an uur using tmobile service like me...u need 2 use this connnection setup wizard to configure ur att tilt for tmobiles data connection. I personally won't pay for internet, especially tmobiles ****ty edge internet for 29.99 unlimited plan...I use wifi religiously and its way faster then edge..and free. Wireless in my house is connected to a cable modem and it is quick.
...anywayz here u go
moegdaog said:
tmobiles data connection sucks...but if u have an unlocked att tilt an uur using tmobile service like me...u need 2 use this connnection setup wizard to configure ur att tilt for tmobiles data connection. I personally won't pay for internet, especially tmobiles ****ty edge internet for 29.99 unlimited plan...I use wifi religiously and its way faster then edge..and free. Wireless in my house is connected to a cable modem and it is quick.
...anywayz here u go
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Exactly what does this file do? i have a tilt and using t-mobile 5.99 tzones plan. and some applications don't work, for instance dashwire will not connect on my phone, unless i use wi-fi.
here just install this cab and then go to settings, connections, connections, advanced, select networks and set them both to T-Mobile US and ur good to go
I come from the Verizon world, where you could not authenticate through tethering unless you paid the extra $15/month. (But PDANet did work just fine). I have seen posts (albeit older dates) that claim people were charged heavy data rates for tethering when they did not have a data plan that included it.
I am using a Tilt and have the $59.00 Tether data plan. I am able to tether using either APN: wap.cingular or isp.cingular.
My friend has a Tilt with the $49.00 data plan without tethering (but with SMS). I tested his phone and could only get it to connect using wap.cingular for tethering.
So my questions are:
1) Do I actually need the tethering plan or can I reduce my plan and use wap.cingular? (I know it works but it leads me to the next question)
2) If you use wap.cingular without the tethering plan will you get charged the outrageous data rates?
3) What is the actual difference between the two APN's?
Thanks for any info you can provide!
SC
#1 and #2. For tethering legally, yes, you must have laptop connect. With Internet Sharing on the newer phones, it makes it harder for AT&T to prevent you from doing this (without being charged), but they most likely will eventually get you.
For #2, see this thread, specfically the crumbfire post. He explains it excellently:
http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/...thread.id=47397&view=by_date_ascending&page=2
Hi:
I have searched and searched with no luck. I am on an ATT Tilt, and would like to use PdaNet to connect PC to internet through phone. I have yet to be able to get it to work properly. I get dial up error=721 (state=8193). I used PdaNet on my Treo 750 (which I had prior to the Tilt), and it worked perfectly, so I'm just not sure what I'm doing wrong.
Any ideas what the problem could be?
I am on an unlimited pda plan, but don't want to incur additional charges (such as the tethering plan), for very minimal, occasional tethering use, so ideally I would like to connect in a way that I won't be "caught", lol.
Any help would really be appreciated!
I'm use Internet Sharing via Bluetooth or USB to connect my laptop via my phone for Internet access. This is without a tethering plan from AT&T. The plan I have is $39.99/month, however they have a cheaper plan - MediaNet w/unlimited Data and 200 TXT MSG. Others have been using this plan without any issues. I ma venture to try this soon.
cincy1020,
For your problem with dial-up, you're not adding a modem via your pc. Try it with the USB cable first -- go to Internet sharing on the phone and select USB and click Connect. Connect your USB cable to your laptop and it should detect a network card and get an IP address. No need for dialup. You will have to install Active Sync on your laptop (I find it easier).
I think you're trying to use a modem which will probably require a tethering plan and that's probably why you're having the dialup error.
cincy1020
Well here's the deal for GPRS. You do not need PDANet. So give your license to someone who is still on CDMA somewhere. You first need to install the driver for the HTC Kaiser/Tilt as a USB Modem. A few forum searches will find the inf to install in windows. Then you simply set up a DUN connection using that USB modem. The number should be *99# and make sure to add this line as extra init options:
ATZ+CGDCONT=1,"IP","ISP.CINGULAR"
For Bluetooth, first you need to install the latest Toshiba Bluetooth Stack for Windows. Don't use the microsoft one. Then just set up a BT Dun connection with the same settings.
Hope that helps...
i've seen a lot of posts about this subject and i'm clueless, now i read the thread form the link provided above and it helps a little, but were do look on my phone to find out what i have? also for at&t users, what's the difference between media max 200, the 19.99 plan and the data connect 39.99 plan, i know the text messaging etc and both are unlimited data, and you "can't" use media max w/a tilt even i've heard you can, but in terms of using the internet and surfing the web what's the difference. Thanks
eras2r said:
cincy1020
Well here's the deal for GPRS. You do not need PDANet. So give your license to someone who is still on CDMA somewhere. You first need to install the driver for the HTC Kaiser/Tilt as a USB Modem. A few forum searches will find the inf to install in windows. Then you simply set up a DUN connection using that USB modem. The number should be *99# and make sure to add this line as extra init options:
ATZ+CGDCONT=1,"IP","ISP.CINGULAR"
For Bluetooth, first you need to install the latest Toshiba Bluetooth Stack for Windows. Don't use the microsoft one. Then just set up a BT Dun connection with the same settings.
Hope that helps...
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Hi:
Thanks for the reply. I already have WModem installed by default. Is this the same thing?
Thanks!
Just use internet sharing. No need to configure a dialup modem/etc.
brainlb,
There doesn't seem to be much difference between the two plans you mentioned. I spoke to AT&T about this and they told me since I have a PDA phone I need the PDA connect plans and according to their system the MediaMax 200 is not compatible with my phone. However, a few people in the forums said they are using the MediaMax 200 plan without any problems. I may try this one day but not sure as yet.
so were on my phone do i look to find out whether i have .wap or .isp, or something else? Thanks
SORRY TO THREAD JACK BUT,
I JUST WANT LIVE UPDATES ON MY PHONE, MOSTLY WEATHER ON MY BACKGROUND. WOULD I NEED THIS?
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph....jsp?LOSGId=&skuId=sku950103&catId=cat1510009
OR COULD GET A SMALLER DATA PLAN AND UPDATE EVERYTHING WHEN I CONNECT. WHAT IS THE BEST PLAN WITHOUT TETHERING?
Technically its supposed to be a PDA plan for our phones, However, I added the following plan to my sons phone and its been fine .. He doesn't pull tons of data so it hasn't flagged anything. If you don't need text messaging included then I'd look at the following:
Smartphone Connect Unlimited $19.99
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...jsp?LOSGId=&skuId=sku1040059&catId=cat1510009
I chose that over the MEdiaNet plan as I figured it would cause less suspicion with the data being used.
PsyOpWarlord said:
Technically its supposed to be a PDA plan for our phones, However, I added the following plan to my sons phone and its been fine .. He doesn't pull tons of data so it hasn't flagged anything. If you don't need text messaging included then I'd look at the following:
Smartphone Connect Unlimited $19.99
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...jsp?LOSGId=&skuId=sku1040059&catId=cat1510009
I chose that over the MEdiaNet plan as I figured it would cause less suspicion with the data being used.
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THAT PLAN SAYS YOU ARE CHARGED FOR THE DATA YOU SEND AND REVIEVE. WHAT IS MEANT BY DATA SENT AND REVIEVED?, DOES THAT MEAN DOWNLOAD, AS IN RINGTONES?
I JUST TALKED WITH A REP FROM AT&T. THEY TOLD ME THE SMARTPHONE CONNECT UNLIMITED ISN'T FOR THE TILT. ( <AS STATED BY WARLOARD, WHAT PHONE DOES YOU SON HAVE? )
CAN I GET THAT ON MY TILT ANYWAY, AND GET A FAMILY TEXTING PLAN
LIKE THIS, THEN I SHOULD HAVE UNLIMITED DATA AND MY WHOLE FAMILY HAS TEXTING.
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph....jsp?LOSGId=&skuId=sku980095&catId=cat1470003
I have a Tilt and am on a unlimited data plan. Now there is a legal way to tether that Att doesn't tell you about. Current plans selling at the ATT stores have PDA MEdia Connect with messaging. Starting at 39.99 and goes up from there with some referring to tethering. if you do not have a tethering plan you cannot connect to isp.cingular or suppose to. I called up ATT about a issue I had with VOIP needing to access a full internet instead of a wap.cingular proxy internet cause I was on the PDA Media Conenct plan. That how I found out about another plan called PDA Connect Unlimited for 39.99 without messaging that allows wap.cingular and isp.cingular connections. The ATT rep stated as long as you are authorized to connect to isp.cingular you can tether.
Savage Life said:
I JUST TALKED WITH A REP FROM AT&T. THEY TOLD ME THE SMARTPHONE CONNECT UNLIMITED ISN'T FOR THE TILT. ( <AS STATED BY WARLOARD, WHAT PHONE DOES YOU SON HAVE? )
CAN I GET THAT ON MY TILT ANYWAY, AND GET A FAMILY TEXTING PLAN
LIKE THIS, THEN I SHOULD HAVE UNLIMITED DATA AND MY WHOLE FAMILY HAS TEXTING.
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph....jsp?LOSGId=&skuId=sku980095&catId=cat1470003
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Correct most Reps will not add it as they know its not the proper plan. However you can add it yourself in most instances without going thru CS by logging into your ATT online account manager and going to Phone/Device and Add/Remove Features.
potpeye said:
I have a Tilt and am on a unlimited data plan. Now there is a legal way to tether that Att doesn't tell you about. Current plans selling at the ATT stores have PDA MEdia Connect with messaging. Starting at 39.99 and goes up from there with some referring to tethering. if you do not have a tethering plan you cannot connect to isp.cingular or suppose to. I called up ATT about a issue I had with VOIP needing to access a full internet instead of a wap.cingular proxy internet cause I was on the PDA Media Conenct plan. That how I found out about another plan called PDA Connect Unlimited for 39.99 without messaging that allows wap.cingular and isp.cingular connections. The ATT rep stated as long as you are authorized to connect to isp.cingular you can tether.
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The ATT Rep apparently doesn't seem to know what he was talking about which unfortunately happens a lot. They do need to train their CS reps better. Call 5 times and you'll get 4 answers.
First they wrongfully gave you help on VOIP as its against ATTs Wireless Data Services Terms and Conditions:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/plan-terms.jsp
PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, USING SERVICES: (I) WITH SERVER DEVICES OR WITH HOST COMPUTER APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WEB CAMERA POSTS OR BROADCASTS, CONTINUOUS JPEG FILE TRANSFERS, AUTOMATIC DATA FEEDS, TELEMETRY APPLICATIONS, PEER-TO-PEER (P2P) FILE SHARING, AUTOMATED FUNCTIONS OR ANY OTHER MACHINE-TO-MACHINE APPLICATIONS; (II) AS SUBSTITUTE OR BACKUP FOR PRIVATE LINES OR DEDICATED DATA CONNECTIONS; (III) FOR VOICE OVER IP; .....<rest snipped for brevity>....
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And for tethering:
FURTHERMORE, PLANS (UNLESS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR TETHERING USAGE) CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY APPLICATIONS THAT TETHER THE DEVICE (THROUGH USE OF, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, CONNECTION KITS, OTHER PHONE/PDA-TO-COMPUTER ACCESSORIES, BLUETOOTH® OR ANY OTHER WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY) TO LAPTOPS, PCS, OR OTHER EQUIPMENT FOR ANY PURPOSE.
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The CS Rep was correct that if you tether with a handset your supposed to use the isp.cingular APN (or else you'll incur additional data charges) but just because your provisioned to use that APN doesn't automatically mean your authorized to tether without being on a tethering plan. For instance I have the PDA Connect Unlimited plan which include the isp.cingular APN (unlike the PDA Max plans) and I can tell you tethering is not allowed. I've been thru 3 levels of data services support (business/premier support is a lot more trained) on this subject confirming the differences in plans doing research for the ATT forums under the username "Planet-Ed" helping others and working with the moderators their.
Beat em at their own game
ecltech said:
Just use internet sharing. No need to configure a dialup modem/etc.
brainlb,
There doesn't seem to be much difference between the two plans you mentioned. I spoke to AT&T about this and they told me since I have a PDA phone I need the PDA connect plans and according to their system the MediaMax 200 is not compatible with my phone. However, a few people in the forums said they are using the MediaMax 200 plan without any problems. I may try this one day but not sure as yet.
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Looking at a few of the posts here, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents...don't know anything about the tethering, no need for it. As far as the different plans go, if you get an answer u don't like, just call 'em right back up. After I originally got the tilt back in Oct, the cheapest was the bbconnect, which the rep signed me up for, then couldnt tell me how to set it up and ended up taking it off.
you CAN sign up for a couple of the media max/smartphone connect plans on their website, but run the risk of getting charged down the line because those aren't technically data plans, can't remember the exact wording they gave, but not legal for the tilt or other devices which have full keyboards (PDA)...anyways, after about the 3rd call into the reps to get info, one of their geniuses signed me up for the media max unlimited plan w/ 200 messages for $20...he wasn't educated enough to know that it isn't supposed to be used w/ the tilt. The way I see it, they can't go back and overcharge me for being on the wrong plan if THEY signed me up for it...just work the system and use their stupidity for your benefit
potpeye said:
I have a Tilt and am on a unlimited data plan. Now there is a legal way to tether that Att doesn't tell you about. Current plans selling at the ATT stores have PDA MEdia Connect with messaging. Starting at 39.99 and goes up from there with some referring to tethering. if you do not have a tethering plan you cannot connect to isp.cingular or suppose to. I called up ATT about a issue I had with VOIP needing to access a full internet instead of a wap.cingular proxy internet cause I was on the PDA Media Conenct plan. That how I found out about another plan called PDA Connect Unlimited for 39.99 without messaging that allows wap.cingular and isp.cingular connections. The ATT rep stated as long as you are authorized to connect to isp.cingular you can tether.
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Hi:
I am on a PDA unlimited data plan. Can you please tell me what settings you used to setup isp.cingular?
Thanks!
PS: I have searched and searched for the settings, and although I'm sure they are on xda, my search results sure didn't lead me to them.
EDIT: Although I was unable to find the info on XDA. I did find it elsewhere, I haven't yet tried them to see if they work properly, but if not, I guess I will have to spend hours on the fount with tech support to get the correct ones, lol. I will post the settings here just in case anyone needs them:
Under settings/connections/connections:
Look for MY ISP and tap on "add a new modem connection"
Enter a Name for the connection: REAL ISP or something like that
Select a Modem: cellular line (GPRS) for 8125/ cellular line (GPRS 3G) for 8525
use the access point name isp.cingular
On the next page, enter either ISP.CINGULARGPRS.COM or [email protected] (either will work) for username and CINGULAR1 for password (make sure they are all in caps)
Leave Domain name blank
Under advanced, make sure the only things selected are "Use server assigned IP address" and "Use IP header compression" - leave everything else unselected.
Click ok and then finish
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And for tethering:
The CS Rep was correct that if you tether with a handset your supposed to use the isp.cingular APN (or else you'll incur additional data charges) but just because your provisioned to use that APN doesn't automatically mean your authorized to tether without being on a tethering plan. For instance I have the PDA Connect Unlimited plan which include the isp.cingular APN (unlike the PDA Max plans) and I can tell you tethering is not allowed. I've been thru 3 levels of data services support (business/premier support is a lot more trained) on this subject confirming the differences in plans doing research for the ATT forums under the username "Planet-Ed" helping others and working with the moderators their.
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So do you happen to know if there IS a plan where tethering is allowed? I also have the PDA Connect Unlimited, and can tether, but don't want to get dinged on my bill so I've been judicious with my use (i.e. emergency only)...
Myabe a better way to ask my question is - how do you get Laptop Connect, do you have to call? It doesn't show up on the website, as I have a family plan - does it need to be a business plan? ugh...
Just got my Tilt last week, and of course had to upgrade to PDA Personal Max plan (had been using MediaMax successfully with my Wizard). But I figured the increased cost was worth it, and that also I'd be able to access isp.cingular (which I had used before when I was on PDAunlimited plan)
Couldn't access ISP at first, so I called tech support. Very nice lady said "You were on MediaMax, now you've upgraded to PDA Personal Max but they haven't turned ISP on - I will do that for you". She did, it worked, no problem at first. Download speed reported by DSLReports was in 600's, vs. 400-500 when on WAP (on Denver's very recently activated 3G).
Then 2 days ago it quit working. I called - first guy couldn't understand what I wanted, kept trying to step me through configuration in Connections for WAP - I said I've already got that going, with and without proxy, no problem. So he says "Then what's your problem?" I say I'm paying for it, I should be able to access ISP, please be sure it's turned on. He doesn't seem to have a clue as to how to do this, or why I would want to. Call ended in frustration.
Next guy I talked to said "ISP is only for tethered plans". I said, "Oh, really, then what am I paying extra for my plan vs. MediaMax?" and he gives me the song and dance about how MediaMax is for Smartphones and PDA Max is for PDA's. I said I didn't think he knew what he was talking about and hung up.
So, what is the real deal? Shouldn't I be able to access ISP?
Would like to hear other's experiences - especially if successfully using ISP and not on tethered plan.
Hey I went through the same exact issue with AT&T about this isp vs wap. Reading all the talk about how isp was better I had my phone upgraded to it. Everything was working fine until around the time I got 3g service upgraded to my area. I noticed I could not connect anymore so i went back to the old wap settings and everything went through. I do not think it is because of 3g that I can't access isp anymore it's just the timeframe in which it happened. Anyway now when you call AT&T it is almost like they got brainwashed into thinking that isp is only for tethering plans. Even though I tell them I had this configured to my account before it literally seems like that they had that memory wiped out from their recolection. Anyways I guess I am not too upset since 3g was upgraded to the area however having access to isp and ispda would be really great. If anyone is lucky enough to devise a way to get this feature added to their 39.99 plan that would be awesome. However like cushcalc said earlier and like what I have gone through it seems that now isp is now tied to tethered $59.99 plans instead.
Also I wanted to add 1 thing to this. All reps swear that this does nothing to increase your speed however they have now become so resistant to even add this feature now to $39.99. So if it's really the same thing why all the hassle to give people what they want?
It takes time to talk to the RIGHT rep.
Don't worry, i went through the same thing. Until i spoke with a lady and told her that "my wap settings works correctly, but i don't want to connect it using wap.cingular anymore, i want to be able to connect to isp.cingular." She did go on mention about the tethering and blah blah blah. And i told her "im not tethering, i need isp.cingular because it assigns an IP ADDRESS to my phone so i can access my computer remotely when im away from the office from my PPC Phone." In conclusion, she did some research and it seems like there's two different $39.99 pda unlimited plans. So i told her i want the pda unlimited plan that has isp.cingular support and for $39.99. So in conclusion, i guess the rep needs to know the difference of the two. Not sure if this helps, but that's how i got my isp.cingular to for for unlimited us at $39.99 a month.
Ok, i just got my tilt a few days ago, it's my first pda/smart phone, what ever. Whats does all this mean and how do i check which i have. i'm on a 39.99 data plan.
I've tried accessing isp.cingular many times.
Always fails.
After reading this post I decided to give them a call seeing as I have the 39.99 PDA Plan.
Well after getting transferred a couple times, the guy told me my phone was provisioned to access either of the APN's, wap.cingular or isp.cingular.
I think I will keep calling back every day until I get someone that knows wtf they are talking about.
I need to be able to access my work VPN, and have to have a static IP
I've been back and forth with AT&T on this. I'm also in Colorado (but Colorado Springs, not Denver) and we just got 3g as well.
I called about needing isp.cingular to access my home VPN. The first rep told me I had to get the $79.99 tethering plan. I said no thanks. I called again the next day and got a rep who knew actually knew what she was talking about.
She said that feature could be added to my account for $3 a month. I agreed, she made the changes, and I hung up the phone happy. I rebooted the phone (her instructions) and tried to make a connection to isp.cingular. No go. Same error message I always get.
Can someone on this thread verify the connection settings?? This is what I have:
Access Point
ISP.CINGULAR
Username
[email protected]
Password
CINGULAR1
I haven't tried calling back yet, but maybe I will tonight.
PDA Connect can connect to isp.cingular. PDA Personal Max cannot. You need to have them change your plan to PDA Connect and you'll be able to access isp.cingular again.
Someone who can connect to ISP, go into your wireless account screen and get the Plan name. Mine is: PDAPERUNL1500MSG and I can't connect to ISP.
here is the weird part, when I activated my phone and called in for it, the rep told me the PDA plans were EXACTLY the same, same cost, everything else the same, except one included 1500 messages. I made him repeat it and said "So there is NO difference whatsoever except one has 1500 messages included?" He said Yes, so I went with it. But I'm willing to bet, the one w/o 1500 messages allows you to connect to ISP.
Ugghh...
Read my post above yours again. That's exactly what I'm saying. I currently have a tethering plan, but I used to have PDA Connect Unlimited and could use isp.cingular also.
You CANNOT use isp.cingular with the PDA Personal plans.
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You CANNOT use isp.cingular with the PDA Personal plans.
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Then why did the AT&T rep tell me I could, but it would cost me an additional $3 a month?? (see attached pic)
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Then why did the AT&T rep tell me I could, but it would cost me an additional $3 a month?? (see attached pic)
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Did it work? Just because a front-line support person tells you something doesn't make it true.
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I called about needing isp.cingular to access my home VPN.
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I'm on the media max plan and VPN just fine.
I've personally done both IPSEC and PPTP vpn on wap.cingular
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Did it work? Just because a front-line support person tells you something doesn't make it true.
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Obviously, I have to follow-up. The charge is there, for "static IP", which is promising. I will call tomorrow if I have time.
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I'm on the media max plan and VPN just fine.
I've personally done both IPSEC and PPTP vpn on wap.cingular
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I can't seem to make it work! I can connect from another network w/o issues, I just can't from my phone. The only place I see to add the VPN connection is under my "Work" network settings....
If someone would enlighten this OLD dog, I would like to see if my TiLt will connect with the isp.cingular.com
Only problem and reply I can use would be to tell me how and where to adjust the settings.
Be kind.....newb at play with my new toy!
Try this
Try and call them and ask them to set you up on this one "PDACnctUntlAdd" that is the exact name i got when i went to the features page on my at&t account online. And it's only for $39.99 and my isp.cingular works perfectly with 3g connections.
Out of curiosity I tried changing my Tilts MEdia Net settings to go to isp rather then wap, and couldn't make a connection.
Portland Oregon Area, with the 39.99 PDA Personal w/ 1500txt
I get 500-900 on the 3G out here, 80-150ish on EDGE, and around 1.6mbps on my wifi connection through my cable internet. No complaints!
Would like to know what kind of a change this would make though, other then the IP assignment.
Bubbacs
In your Settings / Connections / Connections screen, click "manage existing" and then edit Media Net. First screen is to change name, 2nd screen is to assign wap or isp.
I may be reitterating some information here, but I can tell you as a fact, APN isp.cingular is being reserved for either PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect plan. If you are any of the PDA Personal plans, access to isp.cingular WILL BE TURNED OFF. There are however, a VERY small number of users that (by shear luck) didn't have isp.cingular turned off when they changed from PDA Connect Unlimited to PDA Personal Max.
My advise is.. if you can't get isp.cingular to work, quit beating your head over it and change your plan to PDA Connect, or get a laptop card plan like I did.
I did a long research thread on this at the at&t forums. I cannot access that site anymore, but maybe someone else could dig up a link.
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I may be reitterating some information here, but I can tell you as a fact, APN isp.cingular is being reserved for either PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect plan. If you are any of the PDA Personal plans, access to isp.cingular WILL BE TURNED OFF. There are however, a VERY small number of users that (by shear luck) didn't have isp.cingular turned off when they changed from PDA Connect Unlimited to PDA Personal Max.
My advise is.. if you can't get isp.cingular to work, quit beating your head over it and change your plan to PDA Connect, or get a laptop card plan like I did.
I did a long research thread on this at the at&t forums. I cannot access that site anymore, but maybe someone else could dig up a link.
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Is this the correct one G? http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&message.id=49092#M49092
OK, isp.cingular and a real ISP has been discussed quite a bit in the past, especially after the new rom came out and the PDA Personal Max data plan. And this is when the trouble started. Many users lost the ability to use a real ISP and some didn't. Some of the fixes posted worked for some and others it didn't.
For me none of the fixes worked but using APN wap.cingular really did what I needed, so I decided to leave it alone. After I decided to upgrade my data plan to Data Connect, I now NEED to use isp.cingular. I cannot log in my company's VPN unless I use APN isp.cingular. So I was bound and determined to make it work. After much reconnaissance I found all the answers right here on the at&t forums. But there are many pieces to the puzzle and they were spread out all over the place. This is going to be an attempt to put the pieces all in one place so the picture will come together.
Update 05/06/07 1:40pm
I put this information together with the assumption of readers having some working knowledge of Windows Mobile 5 and mobile phone usage. If you are a complete NOOB to the whole WM5 thing this information will create more questions than answers. I am far from being a tech guru and if I can half learn this stuff with both my brain cells, then most other people can too. But still..... noobs enter at your own risk.
The Connection Profiles
Now, the new rom sets up the two network connections, "My ISP" and "Media Net". Refer to here Browser/internet Settings There is a link in that page also for configure and use the My ISP profile. For the MEdia Net connections follow the instructions to the letter. Now the My ISP instructions differ from what the new rom sets up automatically. (and if you call CS the data guys will walk you through those settings in that link) The new rom will have the settings for a "real ISP" connection. You will notice, if you follow those instructions it has you change a couple of things. For one it has you change the APN isp.cingular to wap.cingular. Well this won't give you a "real ISP" connection but it will make the My ISP profile work for web browsing. I did a survey of users on who had "My ISP" working and the ones that answered yes, I bet they were still using wap.cingular in the MY ISP profile. So they were/are not getting a real ISP connection. I will quote from that settings page and maybe it will give you clue on it's purpose for using wap.cingular in the My ISP connection profile:
# Additional features such as Wi-f and device based e-mail along with other 3rd party applications may not be compatible with the proxy settings associated with the MEdia Net profile.
# If there are connection issues with e-mail and/or Wi-Fi, configuring and using the My ISP profile as displayed below may resolve connectivity issues.
# Configuring the AT&T 8525 to use My ISP will disable MEdia Net (WAP) web pages when My ISP is used for connectivity. However, regular Internet (HTML) web page browsing will function as normal.
Now the best I can figure, all this does is give two profiles and both use APN wap.cingular, but one uses a proxy server and one doesn't. Which brings me to my next category.
The Proxy Manager cabs
There are two cab files in a folder called Proxy Manager, under your programs menu. These two cab files enable and disable the proxy settings via a registry edit. Now, to me, if I continue to use the MEdia Net connection for all internet use, and utilize these cab files to disable and enable the proxy, I am doing the same thing as above by setting up those two network connections and swapping back and forth from them. Now once you have the My ISP connection profile set up with "real isp" settings it will be no longer necessary to use these cab files. All you have to do is switch back and forth from MEdia Net and My ISP. The MEdia Net profile has the proxy settings built in and you will have to use it if you want access to the Media Net home page.
http://home or http://device.home
Now on to the next topic....
How Do I Get A "Real ISP" To Work?
After it is all said and done, the bottom line is you have to be on the right data plan. From what I have learn't, you have be on a PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect Unlimited before your account is provisioned to access through isp.cingular. There are a lucky few that when they switched to PDA Personal Max, isp.cingular was not turned off (lucky dogs who's names we shall not speak ). But if it is turned off, CS will NOT turn it back on untill you get on the right data plan and that is the FIRST step. PERIOD Once you do have the right data plan and isp.cingular is "turned on" then it is as simple as setting up My ISP with the "real isp" settings. And thats it! For a recap of those settings refer to RonAnnArbor's post here. You can consider this post a supplement to Ron's.
Something About PIE
Now lets assume you got on the right data plan and isp.cingular is provisioned, and the My ISP profile is set up to use the "real isp" settings but it DOESN'T WORK! You pull up PIE to view a web page and it times out and displays one of those dreaded error messages. Have no fear I found the answer on the at&t forums too. But credit for it should go to the folks over at the XDA site. (man there are some pretty tech savvy folks over there! I wish I was as knowledgeable as those guys) There are some settings in the registry for PIE to auto detect proxy settings. Let's keep it simple and say PIE is "hard coded" in the new rom to always use wap.cingular. So if your connected to isp.cingular, well... you get the picture. That may not be technically accurate, but I think it will be easy for most to understand. (at least for my two brain cells it is ) You will find that everything else that needs access to the internet will work, like email, weather programs, but one will assume they have no internet access if PIE doesn't work. Now lets fix that too, but it will take a registry edit to do it. If you don't know how to do registry editing, I suggest you get a reg editor like Resco or Total Commander and learn how to use it. Now here is what you do. Go to:
HKCU \ Software \ Microsoft \ Windows \ CurrentVersion \ Internet Settings
There will be a Dword labeled "EnableAutoDetect". The default value that detects the proxy is "0", you can change it to a "1" but I recommend deleting the entire entry. Also after a reset go back and make sure it is gone. Sometimes the changes don't stick and you will have to do it again. Another thing to remember is DON'T use the Proxy Manager cabs again. The enable proxy cab will re-write those settings back in there.
Update 8/5/07 8:25pm: I have experienced an anomaly of the "EnableAutoDetect" Dword showing back up in the registry after a soft reset. No proxy cabs were used to cause it. At this time I have not figured out the "why" because it happened only twice. I will edit this update if I find the cause/fix. For right now I thought users should be aware of it and delete it again if necessary.
The Technical Side of APN (Or, what's the difference between isp.cingular and wap.cingular?)
Instead of me spouting off a lot of Geek language and acronyms I don't really know, I am going to link to this page. I have posted this link before and the entire page is some really good infomation. For the information related to the title of this paragraph, scroll down to the section labeled "There are two Cingular access points".
Multimedia Messages
If you want ot send/recieve MMSs, this "real isp" connection is not going to work. For over all web browsing, email, weather updates, ect, the MEdia Net profile should work just fine. I leave mine on MEdia Net most of the time. It is only when I am going to tether, or if a web site is acting flaking (that's a techincal term you know) I will switch over to My ISP. If you are connecting through My ISP when a MMS comes in, it will be a text message directing you to www.viewmymessages.com. (As of this writing this is how it seems to work)
Yep, that should be it. Of course all I can see is my ticket to Banville, but from your copy and paste, that should be the one.
FYI, some of the links from the copy/paste are not functional. But you should see them on the OP on the at&t forum.
The full thread can be found here.
Can you guys please help me connect to the internet. I called T-mobile USA to setup the unlimited browsing and email (5.99) they help me set it up (1Hr+). It connects quickly but none of the programs (opera, HTC home weather plugin, PIE {pocket IE}) can access its internet, I tried using opera mini also. I know theres a difference between wep and wap (full internet) but $25+ a month is not worth it. I know people have a workaround I just don't know how to do it. If someone would have an install cab that would be the best, but I will try everything. Thanks in advance.
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you need the total internet 19.99 for it to work the best.
You probably need to just enable the proxy [216.155.165.50] and you'll be good to go.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357197
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I read all that I still cant connect, It connected but if you open any browser it says you don't have permission to visit this site. T-mobile gave up helping me after an hour with 3 different people each. I don't want the $20 to just check email and weather thanks aarons6. I have proxy set up, it connect to t-mo and its connected but none of the programs work. Does anyone have the same exact problem.
T-Zones Pro
have you tried T-Zones Pro?? i have t-mobile also, and i havent signed up for this yet, but i will try. its not $25, its only 9.99, but from the t-mobile website, it states the following:
T-Zones Pro Unlimited t-zones for $4.99 includes unlimited Internet e-mail and Mobile Web content. Unlimited t-zones Pro for $9.99 includes unlimited access to corporate e-mail, Internet e-mail, and Mobile Web content--all right from your phone, any time, anywhere!
if it works or doesnt, ill post an update.
it has to do with your ports, and or the proxy, try to put the proxy ip in all the fields and the http one should have 8080 instead of 80 the other ports in the other fields leave them at default.
(in the network managment)
make sure that on the connection tab both the internet and the "private network" use the same connection that both have the proxy ip
or else you might have issues.
you might have to reinstall mini opera to work, but PIE should work regardless
t-mobile tzones pro
hey where did you find the tzones pro on the website. I can't find it anywhere.
this was when i just got the tilt, what was happening was they weren't actually activating t-zones,
well they were but on a different phone (family plan).
Make sure they activated t-zones on your line by putting your sim in a different phone to see it it works
and don't tell them you have a PDA when getting it they just **** around with you pretending,
they want you to buy the $20, tell them you have a nokia.
you don't need pro 9.99 you can use the 5.99 (its the same thing, they just like charging more)
I have the unlimited on my phone (Kaiser), but have the $5.99 T-Zones on my wifes phone (T-Mobile Shadow), and I've got it setup to work with Internet and even sync with exchange.
Here's kind of how I have it setup for her Shadow:
T-Mobile Data
Access Point: wap.voicestream.com
Connects to Internet
Proxy: 216.155.165.50 Port 8080
Use OpenDNS servers for DNS servers:
208.67.222.222
208.67.220.220
Hope this helps?
T.
Tasi has given you the right settings. I use these exact settings on my hermes that I run on Tmobile tzones 5.99 plan. i have no issues. I run my kaiser on att..it is paid by work.
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tasi said:
I have the unlimited on my phone (Kaiser), but have the $5.99 T-Zones on my wifes phone (T-Mobile Shadow), and I've got it setup to work with Internet and even sync with exchange.
Here's kind of how I have it setup for her Shadow:
T-Mobile Data
Access Point: wap.voicestream.com
Connects to Internet
Proxy: 216.155.165.50 Port 8080
Use OpenDNS servers for DNS servers:
208.67.222.222
208.67.220.220
Hope this helps?
T.
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Nope. I cannot make it work. I have stock HTC ROM (3.02.405.0 (Radio 1.58.26.20) original WWE found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365068). It is Tilt, but I flashed the originl ATT ROM (so the phone is CID and SIM unlocked). I changed all the setting (proxy, DNS, ports, etc.) It worked once and I was able to access any websites. Now it stopped working again and I get the "". Wow, and now it works again. But not the Messenger. wow, it does not work again. without a change, just new log in. any ideas?