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Keep or Sell my BNIB AT&T 8525?

I have a brand-new in box AT&T 8525 (HTC Hermes). I got it yesterday when my original Cingular 8525 stylus silo would no longer hold the stylus properly. AT&T sent me a crappy refurb (obvious cosmetic flaws) so I complained nicely and got a brand-new one instead!
I have been using a Blackjack in the meantime (Samsung SGH-i607) which has been meeting my needs and I am now eyeing the HTC Kaiser with lust and envy (deadly sins...)
I'm not dying to sell but if the right offer came along... PM me if you want to negotiate and I might be persuaded to part with it...

after all the difficulties you had getting it replaced, now you're going to get ride of it??? wow.

dkaye said:
after all the difficulties you had getting it replaced, now you're going to get ride of it??? wow.
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Its a smart decision, not many people have NEW 8525's. Also as soon as the Kaiser comes out the 8525 is gonna drop in price, which means he'll get less regardless of new or old. You should get rid of that a.s.a.p. But if I were you I would save up for the shift instead of the kaiser.

neptune said:
Its a smart decision, not many people have NEW 8525's. Also as soon as the Kaiser comes out the 8525 is gonna drop in price, which means he'll get less regardless of new or old. You should get rid of that a.s.a.p. But if I were you I would save up for the shift instead of the kaiser.
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@neptune:
You're right, this would be a smart decision if I was intent on wringing out every nickel for the 8525 but I am self-employed and my time is too valuable making money on a contract basis to spend it dickering over a few dollars. When I am going to upgrade a device, I typically undersell the market a few bucks to get the sale over with. I actually come out ahead this way all things considered.

I still have it new-in-box...
I have decided to sell my new-in-box AT&T 8525 to the first person who PayPals me $395 US plus shipping. No lowballers, please. This is a fair price and I'm not in a hurry to sell. PM me if you're interested. I'm only advertising it on xda-developers for now; I hate putting up with the herd over at HoFo.

I've had my HTC TyTN (same thing as an 8525/Hermes, etc) and it's been the best device I've ever owned!
For anyone considering purchasing one, you won't regret it.

If I didn't already have one I'd jump on the offer.

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$395 US (PayPal) takes it, buyer pays shipping. Still 100% virgin, new-in-box. C'mon, you know you want it... Reasonable offers now being entertained.

SOLD
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Tilt will cost $299 with a 2-year contract!

Well, according to this article, Tilt will cost $299 with a 2-year contract and $375 with a one-year contract. Btw, the release date mentioned in the article is October 1st.
Link: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/11/tilt-duo-inferno-and-q9h-to-blow-out-atandts-october/

Finally and it is good to here that it will be reasonable priced which will make the device open to more users...thus it will be hacked sooner. We need cooked ROMs casue you know ATT will **** up the OS. First thing we will need to hack the PTT button since ATT PTT is retarded and its one more button that can be useful.

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Well, according to this article, Tilt will cost $299 with a 2-year contract and $375 with a one-year contract. Btw, the release date mentioned in the article is October 1st.
Link: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/11/tilt-duo-inferno-and-q9h-to-blow-out-atandts-october/
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No offense but I think Ill go buy one online if I see another frickin post like this. Not directed at you sherpa, just venting a bit. I am just tired of hearing things like "supposedly" and "we heard" or "rumored" I have had a few sources tell me that it will be this month....PERIOD.... I just want to see a date posted on the site saying it will be released on.... I personally dont care if its 3 ****ing years from now as long as they can just say it rather than the cause the whole guessing game.
O.k. now that I have vented, I'll say that I hope this info is wrong on the October part because I am an impatient child and hope its right on the $299 part

swtaltima said:
No offense but I think Ill go buy one online if I see another frickin post like this. Not directed at you sherpa, just venting a bit. I am just tired of hearing things like "supposedly" and "we heard" or "rumored" I have had a few sources tell me that it will be this month....PERIOD.... I just want to see a date posted on the site saying it will be released on.... I personally dont care if its 3 ****ing years from now as long as they can just say it rather than the cause the whole guessing game.
O.k. now that I have vented, I'll say that I hope this info is wrong on the October part because I am an impatient child and hope its right on the $299 part
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Dude, I feel the same way too. I get frustrated hearing all these rumor dates but at the same time get excited. Just like you, I would rather hear a firm date from AT&T (be it three years from now) but it would at least make me constantly visiting different sites all the time. Now, I also hope info posted on the link above is wrong (the date part, that is) and hope the date is something earlier than that.

wpbear said:
Finally and it is good to here that it will be reasonable priced which will make the device open to more users...thus it will be hacked sooner. We need cooked ROMs casue you know ATT will **** up the OS. First thing we will need to hack the PTT button since ATT PTT is retarded and its one more button that can be useful.
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I dunno wp...At 299...something has to be missing..and it's gotta be more then the video call camera...why would the Tilt with more features then the 8525 cost less??? I'm very leery about this...btw wp..haven't seen u on HOFO in a while..

well after seeing another date come and go that it was suppost to go live on I just went ahead and ordered mine online. Better to have it then have to deal with the waiting and then if they end up screwing it hard well...

HTCFAN0923 said:
I dunno wp...At 299...something has to be missing..and it's gotta be more then the video call camera...why would the Tilt with more features then the 8525 cost less??? I'm very leery about this...btw wp..haven't seen u on HOFO in a while..
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The low price can be justified because of iPhone's price slashes! AT&T is thinking of the whole market and not just of us hardcore users. Majority of the market will compare iPhone and Tilt side-by-side, and with iPhone's bigger screen, brand recognition, built-in memory, and popularity, people will go for the iPhone. So, if AT&T prices both reasonably, Tilt will sell well.

HTCFAN0923 said:
I dunno wp...At 299...something has to be missing..and it's gotta be more then the video call camera...why would the Tilt with more features then the 8525 cost less??? I'm very leery about this...btw wp..haven't seen u on HOFO in a while..
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my guess is cuz they're going up against the iphone's price point

HTCFAN0923 said:
I dunno wp...At 299...something has to be missing..and it's gotta be more then the video call camera...why would the Tilt with more features then the 8525 cost less??? I'm very leery about this...btw wp..haven't seen u on HOFO in a while..
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I think the front camera and the Tom-Tom Software will be removed and thats all. I think GPS will work but you have to use TeleNav, free google maps, live search or buy your own Tom-Tom. My guess as a geek with no insider info....
I got banned for flaming the asshole 14 year old Tito.
I created a cab file for the Blackjack to auto install overclocking and it works but he was the only one to have a problem. Two forums I posted the cab and he was the only one to need a HR. He *****ed that he lost all his contacts and they were so important. I flamed him cause he tried to blame me for his error and for him not backing up his device. What the **** is so important in contacts that 14 year old has. Anyway I flamed, got banned and told HOFO to **** off. I still read over there and can not stand the stupidity that runs rampant on that bored. Change the name on hofo to "here's your sign" (Redneck Comedy)

Either AT&T has been court ordered to donate to charity, or they have severely crippled the Kaiser. I refuse to believe that $299 price point...

Poetique said:
Either AT&T has been court ordered to donate to charity, or they have severely crippled the Kaiser. I refuse to believe that $299 price point...
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I am very surprised, I would of thought $399 and they drop the 8525 to $249. But I like charity

yea that 299 price point does not seem correct being the 8525 cost more. Also the 8925 is suppost to be a flagship type phone for them for highend users and lower end peps then have the Icrap, or the pantach 810 also the blackjack still and a handfull of other pda type phones.

No way it's 299.
and 200 in amazon.com ???
8525's retail price is 599 from att. With a 2 year contract it's 450, which after rebates and everything else it comes down to 350.
the HTC Tytn II is 800 on mobileplanet.com and 850 on htcphonestore.com.
If the carrier branded ones were 300$ cheaper (which is never the case, carrier branded phones are usually 100-150 cheaper than htc branded ones) then ATT's would be 500.
If that was the price everybody would buy one signing up for a 2 year contract and cancel their contract after a month.
Ending up spending 375 or 475 (which is still better than 800)
I'm guessing the retail price is probably going to be around 650-750 and the price with a 2 year contract be around 500-600.

I think everyone is failing to see the point... and most of you are right, its probably not $299 up front... i would bet though that its 299 AFTER rebate....
wpbear.. its always good to be banned from somewhere... even i was banned from the cingular forums for speaking out about their poor moderation or lack there of...

shogunmark said:
wpbear.. its always good to be banned from somewhere... even i was banned from the cingular forums for speaking out about their poor moderation or lack there of...
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Is that "street cred" like a rapper needs to sell albums. At least I only have to get banned and not shot like a rapper.

wpbear said:
Is that "street cred" like a rapper needs to sell albums. At least I only have to get banned and not shot like a rapper.
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[email protected], guess i will put my shiney gun away...

shogunmark said:
[email protected], guess i will put my shiney gun away...
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Man.... we didnt need to hear about how you polish your gun....

wpbear said:
I think the front camera and the Tom-Tom Software will be removed and thats all. I think GPS will work but you have to use TeleNav, free google maps, live search or buy your own Tom-Tom. My guess as a geek with no insider info....
I got banned for flaming the asshole 14 year old Tito.
I created a cab file for the Blackjack to auto install overclocking and it works but he was the only one to have a problem. Two forums I posted the cab and he was the only one to need a HR. He *****ed that he lost all his contacts and they were so important. I flamed him cause he tried to blame me for his error and for him not backing up his device. What the **** is so important in contacts that 14 year old has. Anyway I flamed, got banned and told HOFO to **** off. I still read over there and can not stand the stupidity that runs rampant on that bored. Change the name on hofo to "here's your sign" (Redneck Comedy)
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I agree that Tito kid is so annoying! He seems like a rich little brat and says LOL too much!

killershot20 said:
No way it's 299.
and 200 in amazon.com ???
8525's retail price is 599 from att. With a 2 year contract it's 450, which after rebates and everything else it comes down to 350.
the HTC Tytn II is 800 on mobileplanet.com and 850 on htcphonestore.com.
If the carrier branded ones were 300$ cheaper (which is never the case, carrier branded phones are usually 100-150 cheaper than htc branded ones) then ATT's would be 500.
If that was the price everybody would buy one signing up for a 2 year contract and cancel their contract after a month.
Ending up spending 375 or 475 (which is still better than 800)
I'm guessing the retail price is probably going to be around 650-750 and the price with a 2 year contract be around 500-600.
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Keep in mind that AT&T likely sees these devices as big recurring revenue streams - particularly text messaging, data usage, and their pay GPS service. These phones are likely to be sold to tech-savvy customers who use these features extensively. As a result they may even sell these devices at a loss.....

if at&t price does indeed end up being $299, is there any possibility of it driving the unlocked price down?

T-Mobile UK upgrade cost....

Well, i'm in the process of upgrading my Hermes to a Kaiser on T-Mobile UK. My bill for the past year is £45-£50 a month, and it looks like it'll be about the same for the next year too. so my upgrade costs are.....
On the 30/11/07: £80
5/12/07: £100
20/12-07: £230
Tomorrow? god knows!
oh - on a brand new contract - it was £150 (early dec) now £190.
Have i missed something or is that just crazy????
think i'll wait til the middle of Jan... it'll either be 500+ or free!!

you can get an o2 steller for £89 on a £35/month contract. thats why my girlfriend is leaving t-mobile and going to o2. t-mobile just dont treat their customers very well esspecially their returning customers

It would be worth ringing T-Mobile and asking to end the contract; I'm sure they'll be more flexible in the upgrade cost once they realise they are about to lose a customer

Thats how i got mine, i threatned to leave, as i actually was going to move to orange. But they ended giving me a really good price plan and the kaiser for £80 (unfortunately i couldnt get it for free ) The networks are very tight wen it comes to giving away things

I just went from a T Mobile Wizard to Kaiser, playing the give me my PAC Code routine does not seem to work, however, what does work is to just keep ringing, i rang 4 times and got 3 different deals ???
In the end i got the Kaiser for £80 and they let me downgrade to W&W 20 or whatever £27.50.
I looked hard at Orange and O2, but the W&W Tariff is far better VFM.

just to let you no how it works with T-mobile. each account has a CLC customer lifetime contribution T0-S4 and is worked out on many different things, price plan, what type of cals you make/recive, what's outside your allowance, how much allowance how often u call customer service. basicly how much u cost to keep compared to how much u make them, but not loyalty as a lot of people still think I can't tell you what things have what amout of nfluance as I don't know and nobody apart from the big wigs can tell you either. any way T customers are high value but not many people are T customers, T0 T1 and T2 range from 230-320 on a 12 month and 280-380 on 18 but like I said this is rare and also an advisor can overspend 20 for any T customer without asking anyony. most common are mid value account S0-S4 S0=200 S1=180 S2=100 S3=50 and S4=RRP no matter contract lenth but S0 and S1 can also auto overspend by 30 but only on a 18 month plan baisicly if your S4 you don't get anything. anythibg else and your best option is either a web match so get the same as a new cust ore some times better to just pay some toward the handset, but will only be FOC ir you are a very high user. and threatening to leave and askeing for a PAC and a manager etc will not do anything a a advisor in upgrade team has all the same systems and accses as a manager and the same athority when people put you on hold to check with a manager there probably getting a drink. and kickibg of and demanding a manager will just be told a 2hr cal back which will not happen mainly because its a waste of time for everyone involved as a manager realy won't be able to do anything extra. hope this has cleared a few things up, and I apoligise in advance for punctation spelling etc its late now and im on my kaiser and can't be arsed to check it

forgot to mention vario 3 as a upgrade is 280 or 370 with co piolt

well O2 will still be getting my £89 tomorrow and £42.50 a month for the contract plus web bolt-on. thats £845 over 18 months t-mobile will not be getting

I already tried threatening to leave T-mob, but that doesn't (as said above) seem to acheive anything. They told me i have a £200 "upgrade discount" but thats 200 off any magical figure they pick out the air!
The t&c of o2 web bolt on doesn't reassure me, as despite what they told me in store, it only mentions web access ie web pages and doesn't mention other online services (messenger, voip, ftp, ssh, etc etc).
Oh, and O2 will charge me for the handset based on my voice package cost, then i have to add the web on for an extra cost, but no handset discount!
They way T-mob is swinging the prices about i think they may have a rush on for handsets so the prices are going up, hopefully in the new year they'll have too many and the price will drop....

sory to dissapoint but its not going to get any cheaper in new year its stil going to be 280 handsets like that don't go down in price im afraid the vario2 and compact3 etc are still the same now as when they come out originaly. the prices vary because of who you speak to there not meant to offer full spend straight away and some won't at all and some wil overspend but most won't as the mony they spend affects their stats an also their bonas

well my girlfiend called up t-mobile today to cancel her contract and the oddest thing happened, they undercut o2's handset price. end result, same web-n-walk flext 25 with added £20 a month for free. so £89 worth of calls texts, and mms. grand total £32/month and the handset was £69.99
this was the first call to t-mobile, no repeated calls, she just told them she was treated rude by the instore rep and said o2 had offered her the stellar for £89 with a better data package (£7.50 a month for full HSDPA) not t-mobiles cut down 3G web-n-walk service for £7.50.
Thats all it took and he sorted out the vario III to be picked up instore because the warehouse didnt have any
RESULT!!

dolbe said:
you can get an o2 steller for £89 on a £35/month contract. thats why my girlfriend is leaving t-mobile and going to o2. t-mobile just dont treat their customers very well esspecially their returning customers
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O2 seem to IMHO. Haven't paid for a phone from them in 4 yrs. Started with a Nokia 6230, then the 6230i, then to the XDA Exec (HTC Uni) and now the Kaiser (Stellar). My monthly spend is £30-£40 and all but the latest were 12 month contracts. Now on 18 month due to better offers. Interestingly, they seem to have upgraded my handset warrenty to 18 months too. I wonder if any of the other networks do this?

yakleback55 said:
sory to dissapoint but its not going to get any cheaper in new year its stil going to be 280 handsets like that don't go down in price im afraid the vario2 and compact3 etc are still the same now as when they come out originaly. the prices vary because of who you speak to there not meant to offer full spend straight away and some won't at all and some wil overspend but most won't as the mony they spend affects their stats an also their bonas
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Note quite, the online "my t-mobile" has the same upgrade price (getting more expensive since the start of dec), so its not the person i speak to, its the computer system. Either T-mobile are downgrading my "upgrade status" or the basic cost is going up. Also, the new customer cost has gone up in the past 2 weeks. Next time i speak to them i'll try and get a better deal, but i'm not confident they have that much power to override the computer. :-(

well I was first quoted £230 upgrade on my girlfriends contract from the Vario to the Vario III. when we called today to cancel they did have a better price, even though we had been told by an instore rep the compuer had the last say in your upgrade price and threatening to leave t-mobile would have no effect. he saud it was useless calling t-mobile as they would give the same price as he quoted.
He obviously was talking total crap because they where very quick to give a good deal. £69.99 for a vario III on w-n-w flext 25 is a damn good price as they also threw in the same extra £20 as the original contract and we got w-n-w plus for the price of w-n-w standard.
Prices are not set in stone so dont settle for those inflated prices quoted. Its all about who you tallk to as to what price you get. basically any rep that tries to charge £230 wants to give themselvs a decent commision and not give the customer a decent price
I was fully ready to get an o2 stellar after the way my girlfriend and I was treated in store. He was rude and refused to call customer services to check for a lower price. He told us we may as well go somewhere else if we wanted to pay less.
The way we where treated was brought up in the phone conversation with t-mobile and it may have had some bearing on the price, or it coud of just been the sales rep that wanted to give us a good deal, either way its was not a set price as he quoted two prices before we went for the final offer

I got my Stellar from 02 for £40.
I was going to move to t-mobile until i phoned up 02 and asked to cancel.
They guy on the cancellation desk was very helpfull and gave me a good deal so i decided to stay with 02
the only downside is that there is no 3g in my area with 02 but there was for t-mobile but getting the stellar for £40 instead of £117 I can live without the 3g

the cost for a new T-mobile vario did go up but i dont no why but the upgrade price has always been 280 and will be for a long time. your upgrade limit can change whenever it feels like it but can be overid by any 1 the advisor can overide any think on the system its just what wil happen if they do, thats why no one will and managers cant do anythin different, there are extra things that can be done but there is still a limit and never to far from the original.and one other thing NEVER listen to what my T-mobile offers it is always the absoultr minimum i work in the loyalty team at T-mobile as you can probebly gues from how much i no if any one wants to PM me with there number i will do u a favor and call u up with the absoult best we can do. im leaveing soon so dont realy care what my stats and spend are so ill let ya no the best we can offer

one other thing never listen to the people in the shops either there systems are compleatly different from theirs the ring us to set their offers on the system for them. allways call the network direct never upgrade online or instore unless its been set up first over the phone for you

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the cost for a new T-mobile vario did go up but i dont no why but the upgrade price has always been 280 and will be for a long time. your upgrade limit can change whenever it feels like it but can be overid by any 1 the advisor can overide any think on the system its just what wil happen if they do, thats why no one will and managers cant do anythin different, there are extra things that can be done but there is still a limit and never to far from the original.and one other thing NEVER listen to what my T-mobile offers it is always the absoultr minimum i work in the loyalty team at T-mobile as you can probebly gues from how much i no if any one wants to PM me with there number i will do u a favor and call u up with the absoult best we can do. im leaveing soon so dont realy care what my stats and spend are so ill let ya no the best we can offer
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I sure wish you would of said this yesterday before we went for the £69.99 offer. although it was a damn good price for the fact she is still on webnwalk flex 25 with a £20 extra credit a month and webnwalk plus for the price of webnwalk standard.
Would you have been able to get a better price?

to be fair 69.99 on flext 25 is a good offer anyway i dont think i could have done much more than that. you definitely got a good deal

I'm glad i got mine when i did then.
Cost me £100 for the fone, but i kept my Staff discount even though i'm not staff anymore, so i've got 50% off everything...
Flext 35 and W&W Plus for £25... i'm well pleased...
Rather pay slightly more for the fone and save over £300 line rental over the life of the contract...
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New user itching to get a tytn 2

Hi All!!
My current mobile phone is coming to the end of its contract next month so I started to look round at the alternatives.
I came across the tytn 2 and the more I read about it the more I wanted it. Then I came across this forum and now I can't wait to get it (how sad is that, I'm acting like a kid and I'm 47!!).
I do have a question though and that is how easy it was to upgrade it to windows mobile 6.1 because I think it comes with 6???
Apologies if this is a bit off topic but I wondered if anyone out there in the UK has been offered a better deal than me on the Tytn by Orange.
My deal...
On a £30 per month/18 month tariff with money knocked off for handing in an old phone (£50) it comes to £24.44 per month.
For this I get 100 mins per month and unlimited texts
And finally the Tytn 2 itself will cost me £80 and they're throwing in a free but cheap bluetooth headset.
Sorry to go on a bit and again I hope asking about my deal isn't off topic...

I'd do it if i were you. Tytn II is a good friend in your pocket.
But with 100 Callminutes.. bit to low though.
I say: Do it!

Thanks ElProempie
All comments keenly received (the more the better!)

I am on orange and was going to leave them this month, i got the folowing for £40 a month, I am in band 4 of 5 some months my bill used to be a couple of hundred..
1800 mins,
500 texts,
a bolt on that can be unlimited texts, orange calls or land line calls.
250MB web usage
a free tytn 2
I accepted

Hi Sorted69
Thanks for the info, I'm nowhere near you for usage and I've got to keep the monthly cost to £25 at the most.............keep em coming though!!

Forgive me for being a noob world traveler...
Are cell phone plans really that expensive in Europe? I pay $40USD for 450 minutes per month and my unused minutes build up to prevent overage charges. I also have unlimited Data/SMS/MMS for $40USD.
I pay ~$70/mo with taxes once my corporate discount is taken from the normal figures above.

Can't help with the costs, but it's really easy to upgrade the TyTN II. Just use Olipro's unlocker (stick'ed in the Kaiser ROM forum) to install hardSPL, and to SIM and CID unlock it. Just pick a ROM and follow the (easy) instructions. Job done!
(btw, my phone was originally an Orange TyTN II)

NotATreoFan said:
Forgive me for being a noob world traveler...
Are cell phone plans really that expensive in Europe? I pay $40USD for 450 minutes per month and my unused minutes build up to prevent overage charges. I also have unlimited Data/SMS/MMS for $40USD.
I pay ~$70/mo with taxes once my corporate discount is taken from the normal figures above.
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so your getting 450 mins unlimited texts and net access for the equivelent of £35 a month INCLUDING your discounts.
And your saying the UK is expensive?!
1800 mins,
500 texts,
a bolt on that can be unlimited texts, orange calls or land line calls.
250MB web usage
a free tytn 2
I get that for the equivelent of $80 a month.

I currently pay £27.50 ($54) per month for 75 minutes of calls, 100 texts, and 120mb of data, on a 12 month contract. Since the plan's perfectly suited to my needs, I rarely if ever exceed any of this, so $54 is exactly what I pay each month. Signing up to this, the Tytn II cost me just £50 ($99) last October.
I can upgrade again come August (60 days before the contract ends), not sure what they'll offer me...

Thanks again guys, it's interesting to see what other people are paying!
synet when you say just pick a ROM.........where from???
And do these ROM's have mobile 6.1 on them??
Thanks

Boinng...........this makes me think I should venture into the vodafone and possibly O2 shops before I go ahead with the deal on orange this Saturday!

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familyguy said:
Thanks again guys, it's interesting to see what other people are paying!
synet when you say just pick a ROM.........where from???
And do these ROM's have mobile 6.1 on them??
Thanks
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Please use the search function associated with this forum!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383904

Familyguy, best to read the wiki, linked in the above post.
BTW, I'm new to this too. I've only had mine for 2 or 3 weeks, so don't ask me for advice
As to costs, mine gets paid for by my company

This has turned in to a "I pay less than you do" thread.
@ OP
Who cares what who pays. I live by the rule that if I am willing to pay the price that someone is asking, then it is not too much. It all depends on what you are willing to pay. As to 6.1 roms, there is a plethora of cooked 6.1 roms to choose from, from loaded to light. The choice is yours. You don't need anyones advice on whether or not to "Do It" or not. Some would say no due to driver issues and others would say "Go For It". As for driver issues, I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I dont use my phone for serious multimedia. Thats what my laptop is for. I say if you don't think the price is to high or to good to be true then "Go For It". Do what you want and don't let anyone influence your decision. However, all that being said, if and when you purchase it and then decide you made the wrong decision, everything you need to tweak the **** out of it is located in this forum. I really didn't like my Tilt after I first got it, but now I love it. I can change the damn thing daily. It's like getting a new phone every day.

familyguy said:
Boinng...........this makes me think I should venture into the vodafone and possibly O2 shops before I go ahead with the deal on orange this Saturday!
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Definitely worth shopping around - although note that Vodafone call their version of the Tytn II (aka Kaiser) a "Vodafone V1615", and for O2 it's the "O2 XDA Stellar". Both the same thing, slightly different roms and paint jobs, that's all.
My V1615 came sim unlocked (so I can potentially use it on any network), and I've since used the tools on this forum to flash it to the generic HTC rom, so it is to all intents and purposes a generic HTC Tytn II now

Thanks again guys, I had a look at the link above but didn't notice any 6.1 roms......I'll have a further search though, it's probably me not looking hard enough (wife always finds things but I can look directly at something without seeing it!!)
Trouble with O2 and voda is that they don't do a pink viewty which the wife wants at the same time, plus if we get 2 phones at the same time orange will offer us 1000 free orange to orange minutes per month!!
Seems like I might have a good deal then

sorted69 said:
so your getting 450 mins unlimited texts and net access for the equivelent of £35 a month INCLUDING your discounts.
And your saying the UK is expensive?!
1800 mins,
500 texts,
a bolt on that can be unlimited texts, orange calls or land line calls.
250MB web usage
a free tytn 2
I get that for the equivelent of $80 a month.
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Well you all seem to get good phones cheaper then us. The cheapest I've seen the Tilt here was $149 with a 24 month contract. All we get for free here is a *insert random featureless phone model here*.
You obviously have a good monthly plan. However, unless my currency translator (ie my brain) is malfunctioning, you seem to be getting a better deal then the OP.

familyguy said:
Thanks again guys, I had a look at the link above but didn't notice any 6.1 roms
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Most of the roms being released in the rom development forum are 6.1.

Thanks P1Tater.........it does make sense.........I totally forgot there were other forums in this section..........DOH!!

How much is a Vodafone branded Kaiser worth?

Just wondering...
Picked up a new V1615 (Vodafone Kaiser) from a Vodafone store just now because that's all they could offer me.
I really, really want an Mwg Atom V (details) or Atom Life which has some amazing specs (details) instead though.
So I want to sell the Vodafone brand new boxed and unopened, SIM free and unlocked.
What kind of price can I expect for it?
Thanks

Its worth as much as a standard Kaiser probably, and a bit more than an AT&T Tilt. But the main place for selling phones is eBay; so prices vary widely. You can probably get upwards of $650 for it.
You do know that in some respects the Kaiser beats the pants off that Atom thingy? For one thing, it has a keyboard. It also has GPS and a 3.1MP camera instead of a 2.0MP. There is also a much larger ROM community for the HTC phones than for the Atom.

Jozer99 said:
Its worth as much as a standard Kaiser probably, and a bit more than an AT&T Tilt. But the main place for selling phones is eBay; so prices vary widely. You can probably get upwards of $650 for it.
You do know that in some respects the Kaiser beats the pants off that Atom thingy? For one thing, it has a keyboard. It also has GPS and a 3.1MP camera instead of a 2.0MP. There is also a much larger ROM community for the HTC phones than for the Atom.
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Hmmm...I agree with some of what you say about the Atoms now after doing some more research.
One thing that's struck me is the customer service feedback about the Atom's manufacturers. Very few have anything nice to say about the service they received if something went wrong with their device. I'd be in fear of ever needing them.
The main things that have attracted me to the Atom phones so far is the use of Intel Xscale chips, better video support and the use of Sirfstar III chipsets for GPS. I don't need a high spec camera so I'm not bothered by the lack of high pixel capture.
In my experience of using old HTC devices (Universal, Magician) and some new ones (Trinity / P3600 and Kaiser), the older ones seemed faster for some reason. I don't know for sure but the Intel architecture seems better than the Qualcomm.
Also, the Sirfstar III GPS hardware wipes the floor with Qualcomm's equivalents in my experience and doesn't need QuickGPS to get a very fast lock in a built up city like London where I live.
Why did HTC start using these dodgy Qualcomm chips?
I'm still undecided...I just hate waiting with computers / PDAs etc...They should just work, and work fast. Maybe I'm asking for too much.

Anymore opinions?

You in the UK? Is the V1615 on contract?
Not impressed by those Atoms...

-IK- said:
Just wondering...
Picked up a new V1615 (Vodafone Kaiser) from a Vodafone store just now because that's all they could offer me.
I really, really want an Mwg Atom V (details) or Atom Life which has some amazing specs (details) instead though.
So I want to sell the Vodafone brand new boxed and unopened, SIM free and unlocked.
What kind of price can I expect for it?
Thanks
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That's all they could offer? You have got to be kidding, there isnt a better phone on voda, and you must pay silly amounts monthly to get that offered to you.
also, note, the vodafone one is unlocked from factory.
Though i did manage to pick one up for £20 a month on my contract for an upgrade, free! but i have a hell of a business head when it comes to negotiating!

flashy said:
That's all they could offer? You have got to be kidding, there isnt a better phone on voda, and you must pay silly amounts monthly to get that offered to you.
also, note, the vodafone one is unlocked from factory.
Though i did manage to pick one up for £20 a month on my contract for an upgrade, free! but i have a hell of a business head when it comes to negotiating!
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heh heh
I meant that's all they could offer me in terms of high spec PDAs and I wasn't interested in Blackberrys.
I pay about £45 a month on my contract, but it is an 18 month one. Not bad, but then I've been with Voda for almost 10 years now.
Anyway....I've seen them go on ebay for around £350. Tempted to sell...Still not sure...Still haven't opened the box.
So noone really recommends the Mwgs? If that's the case then I don't really have any other options and I'll just use the Kaiser.
Maybe one day someone will find out how to enable all the great hardware inside the case

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heh heh
I meant that's all they could offer me in terms of high spec PDAs and I wasn't interested in Blackberrys.
I pay about £45 a month on my contract, but it is an 18 month one. Not bad, but then I've been with Voda for almost 10 years now.
Anyway....I've seen them go on ebay for around £350. Tempted to sell...Still not sure...Still haven't opened the box.
So noone really recommends the Mwgs? If that's the case then I don't really have any other options and I'll just use the Kaiser.
Maybe one day someone will find out how to enable all the great hardware inside the case
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I was gonna say! the kaiser isnt that bad mate, i havent come accross one issue with regards to graphics, plus, got a kiddies psp for games!!, sat nav works faultlessly, good quality phone, my battery life is fine. Keep it
If not, ebay mate, your best bet, but watch vodafone dont pick up on it, as it is "actually" theirs unitl youve paid your years contract off etc.

flashy said:
If not, ebay mate, your best bet, but watch vodafone dont pick up on it, as it is "actually" theirs unitl youve paid your years contract off etc.
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No it's not - it's 100% your property, and your problem. That's not conditional on anything. The contract debt is separate - you owe them the value of that regardless of what you do with the phone. Sell it, keep it, give it back to them, you still owe the contract sum whatever you do.

selling phone
sell htc
wait 4/5 months
go get sony xperia ..
simple
or
have a look at the glofish 800 series