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New Cing 8125: ipl 2.25 / spl 2.25 - which downgrade works?

The desire is to CID unlock the 8125 so the phone can be Summiter-ized. This was new-in-the-box from Cingular:
ipl 2.25
spl 2.25
GSM 02.25.11
OS 2.25.11.1
I saw faria's post http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=47848 but it states this won't work above 2.21.
I believe I can downgrade to the 1.08 original stock image posted in the FTP area, but I'm not certain this will work. I read where someone tried downgrading and the spl remain 2.x and things didn't work out so well. This is where I read it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50768&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
The quote directly above is from the lokiwiz0.3 thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50768 - but no one's actually confirmed it will unlock Cingular's latest ROM. Folks there just mention up to about 2.21 or so and the thread shifted to talk about the G4 chip and it's challenges.
Has anyone with a new Cingular phone tried lokiwiz0.3? Or how about CID unlocking anything higher than a 2.21 ROM? I'd just try this myself, but I'm stepping a buddy through this remotely. I can carry him all the way with URLs, cool cabs, and tweaks, all I need help with is something I haven't personally had to face - I don't wish to brick his phone.
Thanks for any testimonials!

Is it G3 or G4 phone? If it's a G4 phone then you can not downgrade to 1.x Rom as they don't include G4 bootloader.

kyphur said:
Is it G3 or G4 phone? If it's a G4 phone then you can not downgrade to 1.x Rom as they don't include G4 bootloader.
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It's G3; there's no trailing decimalization on the ipl / spl.

I have the same ipl/spl, and the unlock tool did not work for me, i would also like to know if its possible to downgrade this rom...

Give it a try.
I think you might need to replace one file, "RUUGetInfo.exe".
Try this:
Download the Cingular 1.8 Rom.
Rename it from *.exe to *.rar
Open the rar and extract the files into an empty folder.
Replace the "RUUGetInfo.exe" file with the attached one.
Run RomUpdateUtility.exe
If everything worked it will think you phone has ver 1.2 Rom so it will allow the 1.8 upgrade.
As always, try at your own risk...

Is this the rom i should be using? ftp://xda:[email protected]__RUU_Wizard_1050412_WWE_101_11210_WWE.exe
Im having problems finding the original Cingular 1.8 rom anywhere...

virtualsandwich said:
Is this the rom i should be using? ftp://xda:[email protected]__RUU_Wizard_1050412_WWE_101_11210_WWE.exe
Im having problems finding the original Cingular 1.8 rom anywhere...
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No.. Not CID unlocked, use the Cingular 1.8:
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Wizard/Roms/Cingular/Cingular_RUU_1.8.11.1.WWE.ship.exe
before downgrading to a 1.x rom be sure your IPL/SPL version DOES NOT END WITH .0001

kyphur said:
virtualsandwich said:
Is this the rom i should be using? ftp://xda:[email protected]__RUU_Wizard_1050412_WWE_101_11210_WWE.exe
Im having problems finding the original Cingular 1.8 rom anywhere...
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No.. Not CID unlocked, use the Cingular 1.8:
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Wizard/Roms/Cingular/Cingular_RUU_1.8.11.1.WWE.ship.exe
before downgrading to a 1.x rom be sure your IPL/SPL version DOES NOT END WITH .0001
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hi friend...
did you manage to unlocke the pda?

faria said:
hi friend...
did you manage to unlocke the pda?
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If you are asking me, mine has always been CID unlocked, just trying to help the new guys a bit...

kyphur said:
faria said:
hi friend...
did you manage to unlocke the pda?
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If you are asking me, mine has always been CID unlocked, just trying to help the new guys a bit...
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haa.. tough it was you

Alright i got it unlocked without replacing RUUGetInfo.exe, i downloaded the 1.8 rom, the phone took it without problem, then Lokiwiz worked like a charm after downgrading the rom. THANKS!

virtualsandwich said:
Alright i got it unlocked without replacing RUUGetInfo.exe, i downloaded the 1.8 rom, the phone took it without problem, then Lokiwiz worked like a charm after downgrading the rom. THANKS!
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So just to be clear, you had a brand new store bought or telesales Cingular 8125 CID locked with ipl / spl 2.25 and you simply re-flashed it with the stock Cingular 1.08 ROM - and it worked?
If you haven't re-flashed already, would you mind sharing the ipl / spl (and other) versions?

100Tbps said:
virtualsandwich said:
Alright i got it unlocked without replacing RUUGetInfo.exe, i downloaded the 1.8 rom, the phone took it without problem, then Lokiwiz worked like a charm after downgrading the rom. THANKS!
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So just to be clear, you had a brand new store bought or telesales Cingular 8125 CID locked with ipl / spl 2.25 and you simply re-flashed it with the stock Cingular 1.08 ROM - and it worked?
If you haven't re-flashed already, would you mind sharing the ipl / spl (and other) versions?
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humm ....yes... i would like to know that to...

Latest G3 Cingular ROM update worked
It works for me too. I just ran lockwiz3.0a to unlock SIM, than downgraded to ver 1.8. Then run lockwiz 2.0b to unlock CID and then install latest custom AKU3.0 ROM. Thanks everyone contributed to that forum.

Work for me. Here's what i did to my new (warranty exchange) 8125 with IPL/SPL 2.25
- unlock SIM lock with Lokiwiz03a
- downgrade to 1.08 with Cingular_RUU_1.8.11.1.WWE.ship.exe
- it now has IPL 1.08 and SPL 2.25
- unlock CID with Lokiwiz02b
- upgrade to PDAMobiz AKU2.3 v120 (the best ROM i've tried so far)
I believe you could skip SIM unlock with Lokiwiz03a and unlock both SIM and CID with Lokiwiz02b after downgrade to IPL1.08/SPL2.25.
dont know why other people in Lokiwiz03a thread said not to do unlock if IPL and SPL are not the same and will brick the phone. may be he had G4 chip.

kanate said:
dont know why other people in Lokiwiz03a thread said not to do unlock if IPL and SPL are not the same and will brick the phone. may be he had G4 chip.
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G4 phone can't downgrade at all. 1.x Roms do not have G4 Bootloaders.
A few users have had problems when their IPL/SPL versions don't match. So there is the possibility that you will brick your phone.
Did you bother going into the OS on the phone at all after the downgrade to unlock? or did you just connect it to USB and run lokiwiz?

kyphur said:
kanate said:
dont know why other people in Lokiwiz03a thread said not to do unlock if IPL and SPL are not the same and will brick the phone. may be he had G4 chip.
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G4 phone can't downgrade at all. 1.x Roms do not have G4 Bootloaders.
A few users have had problems when their IPL/SPL versions don't match. So there is the possibility that you will brick your phone.
Did you bother going into the OS on the phone at all after the downgrade to unlock? or did you just connect it to USB and run lokiwiz?
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Sure thing, you need to sync and go into the OS to install EnableRapi.cab in order to use Lokiwiz02b anyway.
After it's downgraded to IPL1.08/SPL2.25, I let the phone customized itself with all those cingular things and reboot again and install EnableRapi.cab and run Lokiwiz02b to unlock the CID

I have the IPL/SPL 2.25 version of the 8125 ROM.
For some reason, after unlocking with lokiwiz03a, downloading and unpacking etc the 1.8 ROM, i run it and get an ERROR 202: Connection, that it doesn't find my phone
The phone IS connected, synched etc etc. Could this be a problem because I'm running windows vista?
hmm.
edit: with windows xp, I can begin the flash (my 8125 goes to the tri-color, displays IPL and SPL of 2.25, but then the program throws an ERROR 260: UPDATE ERROR, then tells me the recovery steps (it always jsut boots to WINCE after this.)
Anyone know whats up?

Quote:
"Work for me. Here's what i did to my new (warranty exchange) 8125 with IPL/SPL 2.25"
key words being warranty exchange?
or will this work on a brand new one?
just thought I'd ask
and to Clutch: how's the phone now? How exactly does one know of the Ipl/Spl #'s?

I believe as long as it's G3 chip (IPL & SPL don't end with 0001), it should work.

kinda brick need to upgrade rom!

ok so i kinda f'ed up my phone..
the specs are
IPL:1.08
SPL:1.08
OS:1.8.11.1
and i decided to flash the radio rom 2.47.11 and now it freezes when i try to enter in my password at start up..i read that what i need to do is get it into bootloader and flash a 2.x rom on it but when i try to pres the reset button and the 2 buttons on the right side it just normally starts up..also how would i upgrade to a 2.x rom..or is there any way to downgrade back to the stock radio rom? also my phone is unlocked
thanks
keith
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could i downlod the RUU_Wizard_225111_22511102_022511_CWS_WWE_Ship.exe rom and flash that onto my phone and have it work...still cant figure out how to get the bootloader screen to come up

yes after doing some more reading i realized i had to hold down the camera button and the start button until the bootloader came up..then i just pluged it in and ran the radio rom of 1.x and it worked yea!! mbe later i will try to upgrade the rom lol

CID unlock it while it is still working with your current ROM
IPL:1.08
SPL:1.08
OS:1.8.11.1
Then stick Molskis G3 ROM on it and you will be sorted.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=274316
for more info.

woudl i be able to go to htc.com and upgrade do the rom upgrade there without havin to cid unlock?

Yes, you can upgrade a Cing 8125 with the officially released Rom (as posted on HTC's Website) without CID unlocking your device.

i do not need to upgrade the IPL/SPL first since i have 1.08?

keith1569 said:
i do not need to upgrade the IPL/SPL first since i have 1.08?
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Official Rom Updates include the IPL/SPL. If you download and flash the Cingular 2.25 Rom you will have IPL/SPL 2.25 after the flash.

is that good or would i want to cid unlock my phone first?

keith1569 said:
is that good or would i want to cid unlock my phone first?
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Keith,
If you plan to install cooked Roms then you should CID unlock your phone. Technically CID Unlocking voids your warranty (though I had no problems getting warranty exchange on two previous phones that were CID unlocked).
The main reason to CID Unlock is that you can then install most (generally all) Roms that exist for your device. The only exception would be a G4 only Rom (which has the G4 IPL/SPL only) as your phone is a G3.
If you don't CID unlock then you can't install non-cingular Roms that include IPL/SPL so basically you would have to cook your own Rom if T-Mobile released an OS update that you wanted to use.
I would suggest you do some more reading before you CID unlock or flash anything else to your device.

ok bro thanks for the detailed explanation. I will.def do a lot more reading before I flash my phone or cid unlock it..this is a great forum full of useful information

keith1569 said:
yes after doing some more reading i realized i had to hold down the camera button and the start button until the bootloader came up..then i just pluged it in and ran the radio rom of 1.x and it worked yea!! mbe later i will try to upgrade the rom lol
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Where did you get the radio rom from ????? Do you have a link ????

just type in 2.47 radio rom in a search

keith1569 said:
just type in 2.47 radio rom in a search
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Ok i'll search for it thought maybe you had a direct link lready ....

Wizard_love

Can someone point me to an English version of this? The only one I can find linked on this site is http://rs25.rapidshare.com/files/17792050/Wizard_Love_2.26.10.2_WWE_Novii_CF2.rar. This is in another language (Italian maybe) and I keep getting a "300" error. Thanks.

sdl said:
Can someone point me to an English version of this? The only one I can find linked on this site is http://rs25.rapidshare.com/files/17792050/Wizard_Love_2.26.10.2_WWE_Novii_CF2.rar. This is in another language (Italian maybe) and I keep getting a "300" error. Thanks.
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Are you sure you have a G4 ?

No, I have a G3. But according to "How to flash a new ROM to your Wizard... a little tutorial!" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298613, if I have an IPL/SPL of 2.xx, I need the wizard_love rom. Read last sentence of G.2.
I used the button ROM. It brought my IPL down to 1.01, but my SPL is still 2.25. Is that OK to proceed?

Keep reflashing the button ROM until both your IPL and SPL are 1.xx. It may take a few times. I think I've read where it's taken some people as many as 7 or 8 times to get them both down. Be patient and make sure your battery is good and charged and when you get them both down, then run lokiwiz to unlock your phone.

xeno1 said:
Keep reflashing the button ROM until both your IPL and SPL are 1.xx. It may take a few times. I think I've read where it's taken some people as many as 7 or 8 times to get them both down. Be patient and make sure your battery is good and charged and when you get them both down, then run lokiwiz to unlock your phone.
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After at least 15 flashes with button, still no luck. I started with Cingular 2.25.
The button I am using is CUSTOM__RUU_Wizard_1050412_WWE_101_11210_WWE.exe.
My IPL is down to 1.01, but my SPL is still 2.25. How in the world do I get passed this?
It really sucks when you can't get past the first step .
P.S. Should the SIM be in the unit during the flash? I've tried it both ways.

Not sure if it matters if the sim in is in it or not, but make sure your SD card is out because that causes problems a lot of times. Here, download and try this, it is an IPL/SPL updater only. It has version 1.05 of both which might be able to bring your SPL down so you can unlock your phone.

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Not sure if it matters if the sim in is in it or not, but make sure your SD card is out because that causes problems a lot of times. Here, download and try this, it is an IPL/SPL updater only. It has version 1.05 of both which might be able to bring your SPL down so you can unlock your phone.
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Tried it several times. No luck, SPL still stuck at 2.25, but thanks for the help. Anyone else out there with this problem?

That's weird, usually it happens the other way around and people get their IPL stuck at 1.xx when they try to upgrade back to a 2.xx but the SPL upgrades without a problem. Since you already have the button ROM on there, go ahead and try and see if it will CID unlock for you. Run lokiwiz and see if it gives you any errors and if not, download and install Wizard Service Tools on to your computer and then run it and click the CID actions button to see if it tells you that your CID is unlocked. If it does then your safe to start upgrading. For some reason I have a feeling it might just work for you.

same here, got the cingular 8125 and flashed the rom. I can not get the spl down. I have 2.25 as well. ahhh what other rom should be good for a cid unlock

also i am on activesync as "guest" dont know if this matters

ctheodores said:
also i am on activesync as "guest" dont know if this matters
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That doesn't matter.
Try flashing Tmobile 2.26 then again the 1.05 Button ROM
From what i know the Wizard Love is only for G4 Users. G3 users should flash Tmobile stoc 2.26

not all g3 are the same!!
i have experienced the same with my g3 (IPL/SPL 2.18) when i tryed to downgrade the spl... ipl 1.05 and spl 2.18 still remain... just try to unlock spl with lokiwiz02b and relax... i tried to install tnt 5.0 23 times before i unlocked the spl... just read and apply this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285435
i downgraded and reupgraded my spl locked g3 (qtek 9100) in 45 minutes at the state of art...
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tnx to all people that try and try and try and teach us with his experience...

I have found that the SPL doesn't matter. Go ahead and run lokiwiz and you will be ok.

yeah i got throught just run lokiwiz02b cid unlock and then update to tmo rom

I Really Need Someone's Help Cid Unlocking My Wizard!

I have a t-mobile mda. It first had a t-mobile official 2.26 ROM , I wanted to CID unlock it, but someone told me I have to downgrade it first to the wizard button so my SPL will be 1.06, but When I did it, my IPL became 1.xx, BUT MY SPL IS STILL 2.26! What do I do??? I know it worked because I see the beer can splash screen. What did I do wrong? I have a G3 device that started out with IPL 2.26, and SPL 2.26. PLEASE HELP!!!
ALSO, IF SOMEONE HAS ORINGINAL T-MOBILE MDA ROM, PLS SEND IT!!! CAN I INSTALL CINGLUAR 8125 ROM ON THIS!!!! I WANT TO CID-UNLOCK IT

Start by reading Dr. Puttingham's exhaustive guide to unlocking a Wizard. You will find all you need there to continue the process.
(Second Sticky on the main topic page)

Thanks, I read it. i was using the wst tool to unlock my wizard. Should I use the lokiwiz instead? does this mean that my SPL is supposed to be at 2.26?

waleed786 said:
Thanks, I read it. i was using the wst tool to unlock my wizard. Should I use the lokiwiz instead? does this mean that my SPL is supposed to be at 2.26?
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Read the entire thread this time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285435
What you need to do is downgrade to the button rom and then use lokiwiz 02b to CID and SIM unlock your device and then flash back to the Official 2.26 Rom.
Once you do this you are CID unlocked. It's not hard, just long and tedious. Read read read and follow all directions to a T and you should be fine.

Ok thanks. Will my MDA be unlocked AFTER I flash back to the 2.26 ROM? I used Lokiwiz, but WST Tool still said that it's CID locked. So, will it automatically be unlocked when I flash back to the 2.26 ROM? Also, how do I know if Lokiwiz worked? It didn't give any message, and my MDA did NOT reboot or anything. I pressed "C" for CID unlock, and then some messages came up real fast and the CMD window closed before I could read anything. Is this normal?
EDIT: I think I know what I did wrong. I extracted Lokiwiz do my desktop. I'll try again and extract to C:

waleed786 said:
Ok thanks. Will my MDA be unlocked AFTER I flash back to the 2.26 ROM? I used Lokiwiz, but WST Tool still said that it's CID locked. So, will it automatically be unlocked when I flash back to the 2.26 ROM? Also, how do I know if Lokiwiz worked? It didn't give any message, and my MDA did NOT reboot or anything. I pressed "C" for CID unlock, and then some messages came up real fast and the CMD window closed before I could read anything. Is this normal?
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Yes it will still be unlocked after flashing the t-mobile 2.26 rom. This is mainly done to restore the IPL/SPL.

waleed786 said:
Ok thanks. Will my MDA be unlocked AFTER I flash back to the 2.26 ROM? I used Lokiwiz, but WST Tool still said that it's CID locked. So, will it automatically be unlocked when I flash back to the 2.26 ROM? Also, how do I know if Lokiwiz worked? It didn't give any message, and my MDA did NOT reboot or anything. I pressed "C" for CID unlock, and then some messages came up real fast and the CMD window closed before I could read anything. Is this normal?
EDIT: I think I know what I did wrong. I extracted Lokiwiz do my desktop. I'll try again and extract to C:
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It doesn't matter much if you extract the lokiwix02b on desktop or in C:\ drive,but it's recommended to extract it in Root of drive C:\.but the main consideration is doing the lokiwiz method correctly.I think you are not doing the method correctly.After extraction of lokiwiz zipfile you got to copy and past the EnableRapi.cab file in the phone and execute it there in the phone,only then it'll operate correctly,ok
Cheers

ok thnaks, i finally did it. Now I have tnt 1437 touchflo

Urgent Help Regarding SPL and IPL

hi all..My MDA VARIO IPL is 1.01 and SPL is 2.26.I flashed MDA 2 times with Button Rom but no changes happend with SPL and its same.I want to upgrade my MDA to the latest Rom available with WM5.Now m stuck with my phone and dont know excatly wat to do.I downloaded the latest Rom from T-Mobile website and try to install but it gives me error i.e "249 Invalid Vendor ID ".
Plz need urgent help in this matter.Regards

You may try to unlock first, then reflash again and SPL should also stay at 1.01.

I beg to differ. When I CID Unlocked My G3 USA T-Mobile MDA, the SPL never Changed until I flashed it with the 3.08 IPL/SPL.
I just proceeded with the upgrade and everything went fine.

Umm...
That's just my experience. My Wizard was unlocked this way.
There may be many undiscovered solutions.

dharvey4651 said:
I beg to differ. When I CID Unlocked My G3 USA T-Mobile MDA, the SPL never Changed until I flashed it with the 3.08 IPL/SPL.
I just proceeded with the upgrade and everything went fine.
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How did you CID unlock? Via imei-check's? Or your bootloaders were already 1.xx?

i've installed now Button Rom but still my IPL is 1.01 and SPL is 2.26 which is same as it was before with T-mobile Rom.Anyone can guide how to downgrade my SPL.Also how to chek whether my Phone is CID unlocked now? I run lockiwiz and i think its CID unlocked now but still wana confirm.

OK..finally i got IPL and SPL same i.e 1.01.Now m going for the next step...

ahmeed80 said:
OK..finally i got IPL and SPL same i.e 1.01.Now m going for the next step...
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Use WST, is easier and safer...

mestrini said:
How did you CID unlock? Via imei-check's? Or your bootloaders were already 1.xx?
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To CID unlock my G3 USA T-Mobile MDA, I simply used the tutorial [READ FIRST] The Definitive Guide to Unlocking & Rom Upgrading G3 Wizards and followed the instructions to the letter.
When I received my device, it was a factory shipped USA T-Mobile MDA with IPL/SPL of 2.26.
I flashed the button ROM giving me an IPL of 1.05 but leaving my SPL untouched.
I installed EnableRapi.cab and soft-reset.
I connected as a guest by canceling synchronization.
I downloaded lokiwiz and ran lokiwiz.bat and pressed U to SIM unlock my device and let it reboot itself.
I once again canceled synchronization leaving my device connected as a guest, ran lokiwiz.bat and this time pressed C to CID unlock my device and let it reboot itself.
I used WST to check to see if my device was in fact CID unlocked and it was.
This time I allowed my device to synchronize with my PC when it connected and then proceeded to flash the T-Mobile Official WM5 Rom directly after completing the unlocking process and it went smoothly.
Then I flashed the IPL/SPL set of 3.08 and that went smoothly.
Then I flashed the 2.19.11 T-Mobile UK Radio and again, that went smoothly.
After all of that was completed, I experimented with new ROMs for a while until finally settling for TNT.1437 TouchFlo using the 2.19.11 Radio and never had any problems the whole time.
Everything went so smooth that I thought about writing another tutorial that was simple and to the point describing the process that I used and detailing how to do it since all of the tutorials here are very complex and can be confusing to a noobie flashing for the first time but never got around to it.