Hi,
I placed a pre order for the Diamond about 3 weeks ago from HTC direct. They where supposed to be receiving stock tomorrow (6th June).
Sadly i received this email from them this afternoon. At least they might be more reliable!!
"We have just been informed by the only official distributor of HTC products in the UK that the HTC Touch Diamond is now expected to come in on 17th June. The reason for the delay is a last minute software fix that needed to be applied. We appreciate that you have already been waiting a long time for this device, but it is better that known issues are dealt with at source rather then with a later ROM update or patch.
Please be aware that there are some grey-imports available in the UK. These are sourced from the Asian Market and thus come with warranty issues. HTC will not entertain warranty related repairs in the EU. Also, they only have a one year warranty. Also, they shipped without the software fix.
Be assured that your pre-order will be dealt with on the day the stock arrives."
I wonder if they're making sure every evice has the un-flashable spl?
euro spec devices i also heard will have different bands
Pawel062 said:
euro spec devices i also heard will have different bands
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I thought Asia and Europe used the same bands or have I misunderstood something?
rorydaredkign said:
I wonder if they're making sure every evice has the un-flashable spl?
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maybe you'r right...well...I believe in the peoples over here who spent a lot of time helping us out. So I think, they will help us out, it only takes a little bit longer....They will defintly come with a solution
Hi, I recieved my diamond from expansys two days ago.
Everything is ok so far, except for the ROM and RAM which are far away from 256 and 193....is it because the device is a grey import (as people from other forums are saying!!) or what??
Anyway, if the device is legal and eveything is ok, why it is not allowing serial number registration with HTC website??
And finally, I really respect expansys and do think that they are decent people, but what should I do if the new versions have bigger RAM and ROM, shall I ask for return or any compensation (according to the UK rules)??
As i said in my other post, its a grey unit ie its not a uk model but an asian unit. Which means that HTC UK wont support it, if you have any problems you will need to send it to Expansys who will then sort it out for you...but you will not get any technical support from HTC. Also you wont get any support unless you rely on Expansys to supply any rom updates etc. You will need to register your serial number on HTCs asian website, then it will accept it.
As for Expansys being decent people??...i dont think so, the fact that they have and are still duping people into thinking that the Diamonds they are selling are UK spec, when they arent really speaks volumes about their practices. They have lost my business thats for sure, i refuse to deal with a company that cannot be honest and upfront...thats been proven by their constant deleting of posts in their forums.
Now if i was you??, i would return it, get my money back..wait a week for the 'real' uk stock to come in...hopefully next week they will be here and not only that you will save yourself some money as it will be cheaper than what Expansys are selling them at...in fact totalpda.co.uk are selling them at £410. Of course its up to you but if i was you, id be sending it back for a full refund.
The ROM/RAM is used by the device and not shown... What are the figures you have, as this may be the cause?
Currently, there are no UK release models available, and there should not be for at least a week...
Spawn12 said:
As i said in my other post, its a grey unit ie its not a uk model but an asian unit. Which means that HTC UK wont support it, if you have any problems you will need to send it to Expansys who will then sort it out for you...but you will not get any technical support from HTC. Also you wont get any support unless you rely on Expansys to supply any rom updates etc. You will need to register your serial number on HTCs asian website, then it will accept it.
As for Expansys being decent people??...i dont think so, the fact that they have and are still duping people into thinking that the Diamonds they are selling are UK spec, when they arent really speaks volumes about their practices. They have lost my business thats for sure, i refuse to deal with a company that cannot be honest and upfront...thats been proven by their constant deleting of posts in their forums.
Now if i was you??, i would return it, get my money back..wait a week for the 'real' uk stock to come in...hopefully next week they will be here and not only that you will save yourself some money as it will be cheaper than what Expansys are selling them at...in fact totalpda.co.uk are selling them at £410. Of course its up to you but if i was you, id be sending it back for a full refund.
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wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!
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wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!
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Do you work for expansys by any chance?
Nocturne_sa said:
Do you work for expansys by any chance?
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please, i have a real job, now if you have any other questions with substance feel free to ask, if not, then dont bother.
walshieau said:
wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!
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Lets clear this one up for once and for all on the warranty front.
If you are say in the UK and buy a grey import then you are NOT supported or warranted by HTC UK. You can get support from the area in which the device was obtained from, in these cases Asia. So if the unit breaks you must return it to HTC in Hong Kong either directly yourself or via Expansys which will handle it for you.
You also cannot register a unit from Hong Kong on the HTC UK site and therefore for updates you must register units on the HTC regional site from which the unit was obtained, in these cases the Asian site.
Furthermore the level of warranty differs from region to region so in the EU many devices are under warranty for 24 months which is not the case in others and if a unit is sourced from outside the EU then it will only have the warranty period for that region which in most cases will be about 12 months.
The beef that most people have with this is that Expansys are not being completely transparent about this so people are buying them and then not knowing the full position.
Well and more to the point really . Customers are not getting a choice . They think they are getting a UK branded device as advertised when in fact thay are not. This is against the law in the UK as selling Grey Goods is classed as counterfit.
The warranty is your choice but i would not risk the word of a company that is clearly trying to pull the wool over it's customers eyes just to be first to market. You may as well buy a unit off Ebay which is far cheaper and you will still have to use country of origan for its warranty repairs.
Just my 2 pence worth
Ok guys. I bought my Diamond from Expansys as I have my Tytn II a few months back.
I did try to register its serial number through HTC and I got the message that it was not an HTC phone.
I then registered under a different email giving Honk Kong as a country of residence and when I tried to register my phone stil got the same message.
Any Idea???
Thanks
athosk said:
Ok guys. I bought my Diamond from Expansys as I have my Tytn II a few months back.
I did try to register its serial number through HTC and I got the message that it was not an HTC phone.
I then registered under a different email giving Honk Kong as a country of residence and when I tried to register my phone stil got the same message.
Any Idea???
Thanks
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Did you try going through the HTC Asian/HK site?
legal
Gray is not illegal in the UK, Black is illegal you are buying a genuine product from the manufacture so its not Black or (i hope) stolen
What is illegal is false advertising but after looking at the site, there is nothing in there that is illegal, it in no way suggests anything about the extent of the warrenty other than contact them, it in no ways states that its anything other than a English UK phone, which it is otherwise it would be german or Japanise or something.
the fact of the matter is, its called GRAY for a reason, its not illegal but its not exactly very open either, common sence is needed here people, if someone is doing something thats to good to be true, it probably is, O2 have backed HTC for years now, if anyone was going to release genuine HTC UK phones then either O2 or HTC will do it first
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Gray is not illegal in the UK, Black is illegal you are buying a genuine product from the manufacture so its not Black or (i hope) stolen
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True, but selling at those it where not grey market imports is illegal, and is also trademark infringement as the items are not to be sold in the UK...
What is illegal is false advertising but after looking at the site, there is nothing in there that is illegal, it in no way suggests anything about the extent of the warrenty other than contact them, it in no ways states that its anything other than a English UK phone, which it is otherwise it would be german or Japanise or something.
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If sold as an "Englis UK" device, that is what they should be. I believe these devices are in fact HK WWE devices, which makes it illegal.
the fact of the matter is, its called GRAY for a reason, its not illegal but its not exactly very open either, common sence is needed here people, if someone is doing something thats to good to be true, it probably is, O2 have backed HTC for years now, if anyone was going to release genuine HTC UK phones then either O2 or HTC will do it first
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Orange backed HTC devices far earlier than O2, and T-Mo have actually announced the device, so I suspect one of those would release the device before O2.
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Did you try going through the HTC Asian/HK site?
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Yes I did and still got the same message
athosk said:
Yes I did and still got the same message
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Maybe HTC have blocked the S/Ns of the Expansys stock...
Send them an email...
legal or not
it is potentially a copywrite infringment if HTC havent gave permision to sell it or indirectly sell it, that doesnt make it illegal until HTC says so, its quite possible that they allow first tire resells to pass on to europe, it is not however illegal just because itcame from The far east.
It is sold as a UK device, the device is English however, it may have been adapted to be english but its english, in the same way that a german book translated in to english is still english (all be it usually bad) they are not doing anything legally wrong so long as HTC approves to the sale ofits devices, and since they are getting paid for them one way or another its unlikely they will care much, and its perfectly ok for them to limit the warrenty on them as well, so long as its at least 12months, they will however insist that it is sent back through the original retailier it was brought from
i think some one posted in somware that register problem is coming coz HTC webpage not updated, or data not updated yet. he told he recive a mail from HTC.
anyway non of my business... i have no hand in HTC or Expansy or anything els.....
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it is potentially a copywrite infringment if HTC havent gave permision to sell it or indirectly sell it, that doesnt make it illegal until HTC says so, its quite possible that they allow first tire resells to pass on to europe, it is not however illegal just because itcame from The far east.
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I believe since the devices where not sold with the intention of being sold in the UK, it probably is illegal, although as you say, HTC will be the ones to decide.
It is sold as a UK device, the device is English however, it may have been adapted to be english but its english, in the same way that a german book translated in to english is still english (all be it usually bad) they are not doing anything legally wrong so long as HTC approves to the sale ofits devices, and since they are getting paid for them one way or another its unlikely they will care much, and its perfectly ok for them to limit the warrenty on them as well, so long as its at least 12months, they will however insist that it is sent back through the original retailier it was brought from
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The ROM on these devices is the HK WWE ROM. It is a WWE ROM rather than a "UK English" ROM. And, all the german translations I've witnessed have been pretty good
I got mine from expansys and manged to join club HTC with the serial number no problems on the europe site.
Question is when a update comes out will it ask for a serial number and will it be valid then.
My bad just tried to register the devive and yep does not register. Guess ill have to wait for people to release the update on here really.
Register on the english version of the HK site. At least you can get any roms released for that region (and share them here too!).
Where Diamond sales started already?
How should we know?? you havent even told us where your from or which country you live in?? Christ at least give us some info will you??...then someone may be able to help you out.
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How should we know?? you havent even told us where your from or which country you live in?? Christ at least give us some info will you??...then someone may be able to help you out.
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I'm from Russia, but I can buy anywhere
For example at this moment I use O2 xda nova device, that not officialy sold in Russia...
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I'm from Russia, but I can buy anywhere
For example at this moment I use O2 xda nova device, that not officialy sold in Russia...
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Ok in that case then any european country will have them ie UK i know definitely has Diamonds now with the newest rom unless you want to try ebay but im sure most of the Diamonds on there are the grey imports ie older roms with plenty of problems.
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Ok in that case then any european country will have them ie UK i know definitely has Diamonds now with the newest rom unless you want to try ebay but im sure most of the Diamonds on there are the grey imports ie older roms with plenty of problems.
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You typed a lot of words, but without an answer for my question...
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You typed a lot of words, but without an answer for my question...
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Try UK, France, Netherlands, Germany etc etcif your willing to buy anywhere...most countries have the Diamond now except USA...not released there yet.
Otherwise like i said have a look on ebay.
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Try UK, France, Netherlands, Germany etc etcif your willing to buy anywhere...most countries have the Diamond now except USA...not released there yet.
Otherwise like i said have a look on ebay.
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thank you, Mr. Spawn
Its probably cheaper for you to buy one from HK. You can upgrade the rom anyway.
Look on ebay, or just google!
someone1234 said:
Its probably cheaper for you to buy one from HK. You can upgrade the rom anyway.
Look on ebay, or just google!
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Comperative pricing (and you need to check the FX rate yourself, yes)
Honk Kong Downtown : 5.680 HKD
Hong Kong Duty Free (Airport) 6.180 HKD (higher commision due to expensive rent of shops)
Taiwan (soon) 23.500 TWD (which is the same as my "old" Belgian franc)
PDAshop.be (my old seller) 558 Euro for the UK version. (migh be import HK)
Amazon.com: TBA
Please continue this price list on this thread as comparison for all potential buyers
hi frm india and i wanna get the diamond2 but its not gonna be released here for a long time so planning to get it from some other country
SO PLS TELL ME WHICH COUNTRY WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION
Europe!
I think there won't be any serious differences between the European countries...
But think of Germany, because we are the "Export-Champions".
The Touch Diamond 2 will hit the German market (ca.) at the 17th April and will cost about 450€.
take a look:
http://www.amazon.de/HTC-Diamond-Bl...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1237492484&sr=8-1
thanks a ton
but wont it be in german and not english
and wat about getting it frm singapore
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COLMAS said:
thanks a ton
but wont it be in german and not english
and wat about getting it frm singapore
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well u can still get it and then put a cooked rom on it!!
I have one preordered!
Hi i have just preordered the last one from a site in England, its being shipped to NYC next week, but i just got a work blackberry, if you want it i can ship it over ? It is expensive though, email me!
[email protected]
If you want it in english (delivered from Germany) you can also check on these guys:
http://www.pdamax.de/?art_nr=hc-067&ausWG=Org
They always have the devices in english + german.
Regards
Thorsten
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If you want it in english (delivered from Germany) you can also check on these guys:
http://www.pdamax.de/?art_nr=hc-067&ausWG=Org
They always have the devices in english + german.
Regards
Thorsten
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It works out cheaper to buy from the UK, if you can find someone that does international shipping. The Euro is too strong compared to the pound at the moment to make ordering from the rest of Europe worthwhile.
i too am from mumbai india abnd needed the diamond could some1 let me know when is it expected in india and if i buy it from europe will i still be able to use all features prefer buying it from here though
dude, just get it from Clove UK. they have very good ratings..
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dude, just get it from Clove UK. they have very good ratings..
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yes but will all features of a european diamond work and also during a rom update will u update it as india update or uk update since the radio and connectivity will be different
not 100% sure, but the specs of the euro diamond should essentially be the same as the ones you will get in india..check out the specs, only difference between euro and us version are the wcdma bands and as far as i know india does not have proper 3g connections yet, so why bother?
as far as updates are concerned, u will get the standard update..there is no uk/india update unless your phone is tied to a network. u can go ahead and buy the d2.
I am from India too.. i am planning to buy D2 from Clove.
But what about the excise/customs charges? How much do we have to pay to import the D2?
I think now it's 35% for personal electronic goods (Previously blanket 200%). But never know these corrupt ppl anyways. Not much personal experience.
Also Express shipping DHL are always checked unlike ordinary post which may skip thru. Also for gift items they might consider waiver (upto 10$/INR 500 worth) but not for such costly items. Never misstate the contents as it may get confiscated in addition to getting U into serious legal trouble.