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Hello people.
First of all is it available in the States?
Second, if it is, will a Kaiser bought from the States work ok here in Europe and with my provider? (or if not, is there an unlock for this yet?)
A friend is going to the States so if #1 and #2 above are ok, I might try to take advantage of the currency rates.
Thanks.
i might be wrong, but i thought that the kaisers in the states are imported from europe anyways
motegi said:
i might be wrong, but i thought that the kaisers in the states are imported from europe anyways
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This is correct. All U.S. Kaisers are European imports at the moment.
Good Place to pick one up.
Try MobileCityOnline.com they have nothing but European Kaisers that include TomTom and have no issues registering on the HTC site for future support! I highly recommend them!
ok people, thanks, I'll look into it
Does this make sense to anyone?
and do you think its more of a 3g lock vs actual hardware difference?
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Does this make sense to anyone?
and do you think its more of a 3g lock vs actual hardware difference?
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I don't think it has hardware difference..!
Anyway will try to get india diamond version as soon as well for play with it
If hardware same,we can enable it with someway
It's releasing during the second week of June in India via AirTel.
Its already released in India.
IVBlindfireVI said:
Its already released in India.
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Right..Some friends in india got it
tom_codon said:
Right..Some friends in india got it
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from where?
im in bangalore been searching all over... havent found it yet ...
Dont think its same hardware, hence the price diff. Also its not yet out, shipments reach only around June 20th
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Its already released in India.
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i m in bangalore too. whats the price like???
some freinds getting it for 28,000 in india.
its around 415 Euro thats without 3g.
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some freinds getting it for 28,000 in india.
its around 415 Euro thats without 3g.
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from who ? and where?
yet i don't know where they got it.
but tomorrow i will ask them.
wtf! 28k and yet no 3G, damn. might as well try from singapore
Is this the one with 3G or without?
Indiaplaza.in has it listed here:
http://www.indiaplaza.in/mobiles/ph...nufacturer-warranty-laptop-usb-light-free.htm
for Rs36,499 with Airtel lock (whatever that means). The specification looks like a copy paste from the htc website and has 3G specs.Not sure whether both will be available for different price ranges- they are claiming delivery in 15 days.Anyone here from Mumbai or Delhi- Can you check Heera Panna/Palika Bazar ? In Bangalore -dealers are telling 15 days -1 month.Airtel call center does not have a clue about what HTC diamond is.....
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Indiaplaza.in has it listed here:
http://www.indiaplaza.in/mobiles/ph...nufacturer-warranty-laptop-usb-light-free.htm
for Rs36,499 with Airtel lock (whatever that means). The specification looks like a copy paste from the htc website and has 3G specs.Not sure whether both will be available for different price ranges- they are claiming delivery in 15 days.Anyone here from Mumbai or Delhi- Can you check Heera Panna/Palika Bazar ? In Bangalore -dealers are telling 15 days -1 month.Airtel call center does not have a clue about what HTC diamond is.....
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38k. wtf! i dont think so!!!!! i think someone is playing the price there. dont buy until u have some other confirmation. btw ur right abt the last part. keke. i went to global access arnd commercial street and also national market near majestic, and guess what.....these guys dont even know what htc touch diamond is....i was like.....kekekeke...cos global access is listed as an official retailer for htc in india
any luck
Anyone ?? Any luck with locating the Touch Diamond in India?
The elusive diamond
On the HTC India site, it says that "The HTC Touch™ (sic) will be available through Airtel in top 25 cities across the country at a maximum retail price of Rs. 27,500.00 (inclusive of all taxes) and all authorized HTC resellers.
http://www.htc.com/in/press.aspx?id=49180&lang=1033
I tried calling some of these authorized retailers in Mumbai and none of them had a clue when it was going to be released nor could they even confirm the 27,500 price. Didn't bother calling up Airtel customer care as I'm sure they would be even more clueless.
A salesman at Alfa, probably Mumbai's most popular mobile phone retailer, expected the handset to retail at 40k. Indiaplaza.in is also listing it at a list price of Rs. 40995. Although I wonder if they really have it in stock.
So has anyone in India got hold of the diamond and/or is able to confirm the 27,50 price?? Please let us know!
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On the HTC India site, it says that "The HTC Touch™ (sic) will be available through Airtel in top 25 cities across the country at a maximum retail price of Rs. 27,500.00 (inclusive of all taxes) and all authorized HTC resellers.
http://www.htc.com/in/press.aspx?id=49180&lang=1033
I tried calling some of these authorized retailers in Mumbai and none of them had a clue when it was going to be released nor could they even confirm the 27,500 price. Didn't bother calling up Airtel customer care as I'm sure they would be even more clueless.
A salesman at Alfa, probably Mumbai's most popular mobile phone retailer, expected the handset to retail at 40k. Indiaplaza.in is also listing it at a list price of Rs. 40995. Although I wonder if they really have it in stock.
So has anyone in India got hold of the diamond and/or is able to confirm the 27,50 price?? Please let us know!
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wooooohoooooooo. something i can happily afford. those retailers are trying to get the advantage of the initial release. but d*** them i wont pay an extra cent more. keke. and probably after 2-3 weeks the price will get arnd to 28k most probably. 40k??? wtf!
btw been to garuda mall @ bangalore today and Global Access here is an authorised retailer of HTC products. and damn!!! they had no clue. muahahahahaha! abt whats diamond???!!!!
Did You Try Official Mobiles on Brigade Road?
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Did You Try Official Mobiles on Brigade Road?
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no dude, i tried commercial also @ global access. same no info. and abt a week ago i tried national market. dudes there didnt know even. keke. same thing happened while touch was released. keke. u live near where dudes?!
I am in Bangalore . Talked with all the folks you did and national market. Only national market guy told 1 month. All others dont have a clue including Sangeetha. Tried RT Outsouricing also who are the local distributors for HTC , they told they will get back to me. This was on last Firday- no news since.Let me know if you can find out anything better-
Hi, I recieved my diamond from expansys two days ago.
Everything is ok so far, except for the ROM and RAM which are far away from 256 and 193....is it because the device is a grey import (as people from other forums are saying!!) or what??
Anyway, if the device is legal and eveything is ok, why it is not allowing serial number registration with HTC website??
And finally, I really respect expansys and do think that they are decent people, but what should I do if the new versions have bigger RAM and ROM, shall I ask for return or any compensation (according to the UK rules)??
As i said in my other post, its a grey unit ie its not a uk model but an asian unit. Which means that HTC UK wont support it, if you have any problems you will need to send it to Expansys who will then sort it out for you...but you will not get any technical support from HTC. Also you wont get any support unless you rely on Expansys to supply any rom updates etc. You will need to register your serial number on HTCs asian website, then it will accept it.
As for Expansys being decent people??...i dont think so, the fact that they have and are still duping people into thinking that the Diamonds they are selling are UK spec, when they arent really speaks volumes about their practices. They have lost my business thats for sure, i refuse to deal with a company that cannot be honest and upfront...thats been proven by their constant deleting of posts in their forums.
Now if i was you??, i would return it, get my money back..wait a week for the 'real' uk stock to come in...hopefully next week they will be here and not only that you will save yourself some money as it will be cheaper than what Expansys are selling them at...in fact totalpda.co.uk are selling them at £410. Of course its up to you but if i was you, id be sending it back for a full refund.
The ROM/RAM is used by the device and not shown... What are the figures you have, as this may be the cause?
Currently, there are no UK release models available, and there should not be for at least a week...
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As i said in my other post, its a grey unit ie its not a uk model but an asian unit. Which means that HTC UK wont support it, if you have any problems you will need to send it to Expansys who will then sort it out for you...but you will not get any technical support from HTC. Also you wont get any support unless you rely on Expansys to supply any rom updates etc. You will need to register your serial number on HTCs asian website, then it will accept it.
As for Expansys being decent people??...i dont think so, the fact that they have and are still duping people into thinking that the Diamonds they are selling are UK spec, when they arent really speaks volumes about their practices. They have lost my business thats for sure, i refuse to deal with a company that cannot be honest and upfront...thats been proven by their constant deleting of posts in their forums.
Now if i was you??, i would return it, get my money back..wait a week for the 'real' uk stock to come in...hopefully next week they will be here and not only that you will save yourself some money as it will be cheaper than what Expansys are selling them at...in fact totalpda.co.uk are selling them at £410. Of course its up to you but if i was you, id be sending it back for a full refund.
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wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!
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wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!
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Do you work for expansys by any chance?
Nocturne_sa said:
Do you work for expansys by any chance?
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please, i have a real job, now if you have any other questions with substance feel free to ask, if not, then dont bother.
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wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!
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Lets clear this one up for once and for all on the warranty front.
If you are say in the UK and buy a grey import then you are NOT supported or warranted by HTC UK. You can get support from the area in which the device was obtained from, in these cases Asia. So if the unit breaks you must return it to HTC in Hong Kong either directly yourself or via Expansys which will handle it for you.
You also cannot register a unit from Hong Kong on the HTC UK site and therefore for updates you must register units on the HTC regional site from which the unit was obtained, in these cases the Asian site.
Furthermore the level of warranty differs from region to region so in the EU many devices are under warranty for 24 months which is not the case in others and if a unit is sourced from outside the EU then it will only have the warranty period for that region which in most cases will be about 12 months.
The beef that most people have with this is that Expansys are not being completely transparent about this so people are buying them and then not knowing the full position.
Well and more to the point really . Customers are not getting a choice . They think they are getting a UK branded device as advertised when in fact thay are not. This is against the law in the UK as selling Grey Goods is classed as counterfit.
The warranty is your choice but i would not risk the word of a company that is clearly trying to pull the wool over it's customers eyes just to be first to market. You may as well buy a unit off Ebay which is far cheaper and you will still have to use country of origan for its warranty repairs.
Just my 2 pence worth
Ok guys. I bought my Diamond from Expansys as I have my Tytn II a few months back.
I did try to register its serial number through HTC and I got the message that it was not an HTC phone.
I then registered under a different email giving Honk Kong as a country of residence and when I tried to register my phone stil got the same message.
Any Idea???
Thanks
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Ok guys. I bought my Diamond from Expansys as I have my Tytn II a few months back.
I did try to register its serial number through HTC and I got the message that it was not an HTC phone.
I then registered under a different email giving Honk Kong as a country of residence and when I tried to register my phone stil got the same message.
Any Idea???
Thanks
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Did you try going through the HTC Asian/HK site?
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Gray is not illegal in the UK, Black is illegal you are buying a genuine product from the manufacture so its not Black or (i hope) stolen
What is illegal is false advertising but after looking at the site, there is nothing in there that is illegal, it in no way suggests anything about the extent of the warrenty other than contact them, it in no ways states that its anything other than a English UK phone, which it is otherwise it would be german or Japanise or something.
the fact of the matter is, its called GRAY for a reason, its not illegal but its not exactly very open either, common sence is needed here people, if someone is doing something thats to good to be true, it probably is, O2 have backed HTC for years now, if anyone was going to release genuine HTC UK phones then either O2 or HTC will do it first
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Gray is not illegal in the UK, Black is illegal you are buying a genuine product from the manufacture so its not Black or (i hope) stolen
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True, but selling at those it where not grey market imports is illegal, and is also trademark infringement as the items are not to be sold in the UK...
What is illegal is false advertising but after looking at the site, there is nothing in there that is illegal, it in no way suggests anything about the extent of the warrenty other than contact them, it in no ways states that its anything other than a English UK phone, which it is otherwise it would be german or Japanise or something.
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If sold as an "Englis UK" device, that is what they should be. I believe these devices are in fact HK WWE devices, which makes it illegal.
the fact of the matter is, its called GRAY for a reason, its not illegal but its not exactly very open either, common sence is needed here people, if someone is doing something thats to good to be true, it probably is, O2 have backed HTC for years now, if anyone was going to release genuine HTC UK phones then either O2 or HTC will do it first
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Orange backed HTC devices far earlier than O2, and T-Mo have actually announced the device, so I suspect one of those would release the device before O2.
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Did you try going through the HTC Asian/HK site?
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Yes I did and still got the same message
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Yes I did and still got the same message
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Maybe HTC have blocked the S/Ns of the Expansys stock...
Send them an email...
legal or not
it is potentially a copywrite infringment if HTC havent gave permision to sell it or indirectly sell it, that doesnt make it illegal until HTC says so, its quite possible that they allow first tire resells to pass on to europe, it is not however illegal just because itcame from The far east.
It is sold as a UK device, the device is English however, it may have been adapted to be english but its english, in the same way that a german book translated in to english is still english (all be it usually bad) they are not doing anything legally wrong so long as HTC approves to the sale ofits devices, and since they are getting paid for them one way or another its unlikely they will care much, and its perfectly ok for them to limit the warrenty on them as well, so long as its at least 12months, they will however insist that it is sent back through the original retailier it was brought from
i think some one posted in somware that register problem is coming coz HTC webpage not updated, or data not updated yet. he told he recive a mail from HTC.
anyway non of my business... i have no hand in HTC or Expansy or anything els.....
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it is potentially a copywrite infringment if HTC havent gave permision to sell it or indirectly sell it, that doesnt make it illegal until HTC says so, its quite possible that they allow first tire resells to pass on to europe, it is not however illegal just because itcame from The far east.
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I believe since the devices where not sold with the intention of being sold in the UK, it probably is illegal, although as you say, HTC will be the ones to decide.
It is sold as a UK device, the device is English however, it may have been adapted to be english but its english, in the same way that a german book translated in to english is still english (all be it usually bad) they are not doing anything legally wrong so long as HTC approves to the sale ofits devices, and since they are getting paid for them one way or another its unlikely they will care much, and its perfectly ok for them to limit the warrenty on them as well, so long as its at least 12months, they will however insist that it is sent back through the original retailier it was brought from
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The ROM on these devices is the HK WWE ROM. It is a WWE ROM rather than a "UK English" ROM. And, all the german translations I've witnessed have been pretty good
I got mine from expansys and manged to join club HTC with the serial number no problems on the europe site.
Question is when a update comes out will it ask for a serial number and will it be valid then.
My bad just tried to register the devive and yep does not register. Guess ill have to wait for people to release the update on here really.
Register on the english version of the HK site. At least you can get any roms released for that region (and share them here too!).
Well things are bad and good at the same time...
Anyway I think there’s no room for any panic and we have a clear information now about our toys from Expansys ...
KraFT
The bad thing first...
10 June 2008 11:53 GMT by Stuart Miles
HTC has backtracked on its comments yesterday to Pocket-lint about supporting customers who’ve bought a non UK version of the new HTC diamond.
“HTC will always support the consumer and their device but what’s important is that consumers know that devices are region specific and that to receive the full customer experience, the device bought needs to be relevant for the region they are in. To ensure this, consumers can acquire their HTC Touch Diamond through our trusted distribution network”
On Monday the Taiwanese company had said that any device bought through Expansys would not be covered by Warranty or come with HTC qualified support, in particular pointing towards Expansys in the UK who had imported phones from a different region to beat the official release in the UK.
The company has also moved to quash rumors that the new handset won’t be available until July.
In an interview with Pocket-lint Florian Seiche, VP of HTC Europe told us that the HTC diamond is shipping in the UK now and be available everywhere before the end of the month.
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And the good thing ....
Sticky: Diamond Warranty.
As always, eXpansys will do what it can to support it's all of it's customers.
To confirm, our units are sold with a 2 year warranty.
If HTC decide to be unreasonable and not honour their own warranty, eXpansys will cover the repair for the original customer.
Updates will posted in our forums as and when they become available. We appreciate that like us, customers like to get newly released toys at the earliest possible opportunity.
Therefore we will always do our best to secure stock before any of our competitors, as we have done in this case.
This can, and does upsets many of our competitors, and leads to rumors and accusations.
We look forward to upsetting our competitors in the future, and pleasing the majority our customers at the same time ;-)
As with anything bought from eXpansys, you may return any item within 10 days of the date of receiving your order for a full refund.
Yoni,
eXpansys Product Support,
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KraFT_mk said:
06-06-2008, 11:16 AM
I just got mine HTC Touch Diamond from eXpansys.
HTC Is not registering my product online.
It is WWE version but that’s for ROM only.
The s/n and the origin country for the hardware is not accepted from HTC for the product registration.
So, this is what eXpansys is telling me.
Sticky: Warranty on the Diamond
The units are WWE and have full manufacturers warranty, eXpansys will handle any warranty repairs on your behalf as eXpansys would with any other HTC device.
Yoni,
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Yony thanks for this info but please be kind and confirm or deny my statements.
As far as I understand this is what Expansys is offering to me as aftersale support.
- If something goes wrong with the device, Expansys will replace the device but they will also cover the European transportation costs - both ways. Have in mind that I am from Macedonia.
- I wont be able to get official updates from HTC directly but they will be posted here or I can register at HTC Hong Kong and get the updates from there.
- I wont be able to get the support from the listed HTC CARE European authorized services.
KraFT
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In the end.. even direct HTC waranty isnt all that great. I think the worst case scenario is if expansys have to ship back to HTC in HK, which will add time for repair. With a big repair center in the UK thats pretty unlikely unless HTC really want to stick it to them
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read that theres gonna be a 2.2 for german o2 see here.................
lets hope its happening! not just a typo!
https://service.o2online.de/portal/...ustomerWebshopPostpaid&tariffId=N-HWO-H-NC-20
Webkit Browser - durch Android 2.2 Update Flash-fähig
...Englisch: Webkit browser- through Android 2.2 Update Flash-compatible
Nice!
Maybe we will see Froyo sometime soon.
Thanks for the heads up.
I just hope they ain't getting our hopes up for nothing.....
Too bad Motorola officially stated that it isn't yet even sure about a Milestone update. The O2 site is not Motorola. They may simply still believe what Moto said half a year ago - that the Milestone is Flash-ready, nothing more, nothing less.
i think i read Germany o2 was mistaken about the 2.2........
That's non-sense...they only say that flash WOULD work if 2.2 would be running...you shouldn't interpret to much in such sentences...
Twitter message from o2online_de:
Aktueller Froyo o2 Wetterbericht: Desire mitte/ende August, Galaxy S mitte September, Milestone [!] mitte/ende September, Flipout&X10 tbd.
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Therefore chances are quite good that we'll get an official froyo version for our milestone...
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Twitter message from o2online_de:
Therefore chances are quite good that we'll get an official froyo version for our milestone...
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C'mon... the official froyo will be delivered by the end of Sep.
Not sure about this, its kind of contradicting. Although I don't know any german it states this is some sort of update for the webkit browser? Froyo's browser doesn't use webkit any more, it uses the V8 engine used in google chrome.
Motorola Milestone To Receive “Froyo” In September
Here's the link, folks:
Motorola Milestone To Receive “Froyo” In September
lolz! Look who is talking.
Its hard to trust company like O2 which is already a non-trustworthy company. It sold millions of O2 XDA in India and other countries without service and support network. I bought one a year back and after few months I discovered they discontinued the support in India and suggesting to send fauty devices for service to Singapore, another third country.
Lolz! As obviously they are just resellers of Milestone, it seems they are going to send same fake MotoFrenzy2.2 to us with some branding changes....damn you O2. Keep your mouth shut.
Let Motorola speak themselves.
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lolz! Look who is talking.
Its hard to trust company like O2 which is already a non-trustworthy company. It sold millions of O2 XDA in India and other countries without service and support network. I bought one a year back and after few months I discovered they discontinued the support in India and suggesting to send fauty devices for service to Singapore, another third country.
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Are you sure?!
I think it's better for us to wait and dont trust any other 3rd party news or tweets..just wait for the official news...if any...
Sent from my Milestone using XDA App
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Are you sure?!
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Why you are not sure? Now www.seeo2.com was closed which was working fine before with all products and details. Now that link goes to www.myxda.com and select support and select india. wait....why trust me. Check this screenshot with address of thier site.
O2 does not produce anything. They are simply resellers. They have different websites in different countries, but all of them are not properly organized and sell same devices with different names. If they are manufactures why they will sell models from sony, motorola, etc together on thier site? e.g. http://www.o2online.de/ sells blackberry samsung vivaz nokia netzabdeckung htc motorola surfstick milestone sony ericsson palm pre X6 X10 n97 mini iphone toshiba. its so funny to see all companies in one site. it looks like some kind of ebay shop.
Anyways check the screenshot about singapore service center notification. Now why someone will send his mobile to another country for repair? It is not logical and not even practical at the same time.
I dont trust it now at all. others may trust who dont know what o2 is...
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Why you are not sure? Now
O2 does not produce anything. They are simply resellers. They have different websites in different countries, but all of them are not properly organized and sell same devices with different names. If they are manufactures why they will sell models from sony, motorola, etc together on thier site? e.g. O2 sells blackberry samsung vivaz nokia netzabdeckung htc motorola surfstick milestone sony ericsson palm pre X6 X10 n97 mini iphone toshiba. its so funny to see all companies in one site. it looks like some kind of ebay shop.
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O2 is a cell phone provider, i.e. they have a network, like Sprint or Verizon in the US, and they will sell you a phone to use on it, along with a contract. What's so unusual about that?
I don't know how coordinated they are internationally, so it's entirely possible the service is bad in one country but great in another, but no reason to bash them like this.
In Germany, Vodafone (another provider) and O2 ship customized firmware on their Milestones, which they test in-house. Same for other providers in other countries. That's why the 2.1 rollout was so fragmented, and that's also why O2 would know if 2.2 is coming, so there.
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Not sure about this, its kind of contradicting. Although I don't know any german it states this is some sort of update for the webkit browser? Froyo's browser doesn't use webkit any more, it uses the V8 engine used in google chrome.
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I'd suggest you do some research
V8 is a JavaScript engine, while WebKit is a complete browser engine. The two will happily run side by side in the same browser as long as you deactivate WebKit's built-in JavaScript engine.
Google has been doing just that in Chrome for a while now, and tweaked V8 for mobile use in Froyo. That doesn't mean they dropped WebKit though
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O2 is a cell phone provider, i.e. they have a network, like Sprint or Verizon in the US, and they will sell you a phone to use on it, along with a contract. What's so unusual about that?
I don't know how coordinated they are internationally, so it's entirely possible the service is bad in one country but great in another, but no reason to bash them like this.
In Germany, Vodafone (another provider) and O2 ship customized firmware on their Milestones, which they test in-house. Same for other providers in other countries. That's why the 2.1 rollout was so fragmented, and that's also why O2 would know if 2.2 is coming, so there.
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I exactly meant what you said "they are not manufacturers." obviously I will express my own experience in my own country. O2 does not exist in India, they sold handsets with different branded outlets, gave support contract to some Indian local companies who never gave proper service and now they are telling us to send device to "Expansys, Singapore" This is so frustrating. I had to get it repaired by paying heavy amount from private service cente while in warranty and I could not even complain and the seller told me to send it to singapore. Bad O2, at least in India.
edit: O2 actually should not declare things like this on its own and wait for original manufacturers. Motorola is doubtfully quiet and others are declaring on thier own. I still hope Motorola will roll 2.2 froyo in next few months after all previous devices are rolled with 2.1 update. 2.1-update1 is still rolling down all over the world to many devices as per reports from android users from different countries with different brands. I got mine around 15 July.
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I exactly meant what you said "they are not manufacturers." obviously I will express my own experience in my own country. O2 does not exist in India, they sold handsets with different branded outlets, gave support contract to some Indian local companies who never gave proper service and now they are telling us to send device to "Expansys, Singapore" This is so frustrating. I had to get it repaired by paying heavy amount from private service cente while in warranty and I could not even complain and the seller told me to send it to singapore. Bad O2, at least in India.
edit: O2 actually should not declare things like this on its own and wait for original manufacturers. Motorola is doubtfully quiet and others are declaring on thier own. I still hope Motorola will roll 2.2 froyo in next few months after all previous devices are rolled with 2.1 update. 2.1-update1 is still rolling down all over the world to many devices as per reports from android users from different countries with different brands. I got mine around 15 July.
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None of the providers are manufacturers. None. They all provide/resell phones for several manufacturers. Unless what you are saying is that the subsidiaries or O2 partners in your country are selling phones but not servicing them?
O2 can declare what they want. Why do they have to 'wait on Motorola'? They are a major provider and would surely know better than you or me if an update is in the works. Maybe they heard something from Motorola that was not declared publicly.
TheSSJ said:
That's non-sense...they only say that flash WOULD work if 2.2 would be running...you shouldn't interpret to much in such sentences...
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Besides what they are saying on the site is as above:
Flash would work only IF Android 2.2 is on your phone.
More 2.2 news, this time from Optus in Australia:
http://ausdroid.net/2010/08/05/android-2-2-for-motorola-milestone-before-the-years-end/
o2 is a provider which, like almost every other provider, HAS software developers who does branding, updates and app-development, so I am SURE that o2 will provide a 2.2 update, no matter what Motorola will or won't do.