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Sorry... Another GPS / Google Maps Question

I've read so many posts, you'd think I could get this to work.
I've run the QuickGPS that comes w/ my AT&T Tilt. It shows a download time and that it's valid for a little over 6 days from now.
When I run Google Maps, and try Track Location, I get the standard error message that says my GPS receiver is not responding.
Anyone have any thoughts/pointers?
thx
Robert

did you go into settings and change the GPS settings?

Wait. I just found another thread that says I need to run something besides QuickGPS to get Google Maps to work.
I'm confused. I need to run (i) QuickGPS, (ii) another application (such as GPS Test or GPS Viewer), AND (iii) google maps?
Or, do I just need to run (ii) and (III)?
thx
Robert

McHale said:
did you go into settings and change the GPS settings?
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Yes. ONe of the first things I did.
Com 4, 4800 baud.
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rmcalhany said:
Wait. I just found another thread that says I need to run something besides QuickGPS to get Google Maps to work.
I'm confused. I need to run (i) QuickGPS, (ii) another application (such as GPS Test or GPS Viewer), AND (iii) google maps?
Or, do I just need to run (ii) and (III)?
thx
Robert
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In theory, it should work with only (i) and (iii). However, in practice, it seems people (including me) only have success if you do (i), (ii), and (iii).
E.g. Run something like Windows Live, get the Satellite fix, then run Google Maps. I know its cumbersome, but it seems that Google Maps' tolerance for waiting for a sat signal is too short. And since all other progs work with the GPS without such actions, I'd say its a Google Maps issue, not a Kaiser one.

I have never had a problem?
I feel like i am missing something...I have Tom Tom, and google maps, and have never done anything except run them? Works flawlessly for me, are you guys running htc rom?

rmcalhany said:
Yes. ONe of the first things I did.
Com 4, 4800 baud.
R
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I've seen elsewhere that some people that have changed their GPS settings on the Kaiser/Tilt have needed to hard-reset to get the GPS to work again.
So, I would suggest doing a hard-reset and be sure to just not touch any GPS settings following that.
You DON'T need to run any other 3rd party apps to enable your GPS or anything of that sort. Just install Google Maps and go outside to test it. It could take up to a minute to get a signal. It's also possible you might get the error you previously mentioned, the first time you open Google Maps. Just click "retry", and that should do it.
Give that a shot and report back.

I used TomTom last night (I downloaded the free Chicago map but don't live anywhere near Chicago) and it truly is a slick app.
BUT
I use Windows Live all the time with it and am very very impressed how it works. I don't have the Google app loaded so can't comment on it specifically.
But I was having issues with QuickGPS and had to hard reset to fix it.
-Mc

It all depends on your location and how quick your unit finds the satellites. GOogle Maps has a very short timeout allowance. So, yes, sometimes, retrying over and over will work. Sometimes not. Running another program that has a higher timeout tolerance helps in those situations. E.g. I was in Portland this week and with the heavy cloud cover and rain, it took about 2.5 min for it to get a fix. Thus Google kept timing out. So, I switched to Live which waited and waited and waited, and then when it had the fix, worked nicely. I could then stop Live and switch to GoogleMaps and it would work nicely.

Yes, it is a problem with Google Maps apparently
It has a very short timeout to get satellite fix.

This is getting frustrating. Maybe I'm just an idiot. I installed Windows Live and configured it to Com 4. I then had Live "center on GPS" and instead of Palo Alto where I am now, it shows me in Oakland. When I switch to Google Maps, I still get the timeout error.
Arrrgh.
Guess I should try GPS Viewer or something instead of Windows Live?
Robert

Yes, try GPS Viewer to see the number of sats you are receiving.

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Yes, try GPS Viewer to see the number of sats you are receiving.
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Well. Downloaded GPS Test (not GPS Viewer) and it shows about 3 satellites (usually 2 are green, 1 yellow). At the minimum, I have one yellow bar. I'm on the 6th floor with a large window that I can see a HUGE amount of sky out of. So I'm kind of disappointed. (Well, now I show no satellites).
It's been indicating "GPS Starting up" for over 3 minutes.
Google Maps still won't get GPS to work
Anyone have any idea what's going on?
Robert

i had alot of google map problems also. after setting to com 4 and 4800 baud go outside and try the track location feature. also it helps if its not too cloudy. Most of the times I was testing it I was inside the house which didnt work.

FYI. GPS Viewer has the following error on my device:
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
Robert

... and where do I find GPS Viewer? As far as I can tell, it is not on my phone..?

You need to download it, search the forum. there is a link to the site/file somewhere

found another cool one, free http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/

Just a followup. I downloaded GPSViewer from another site. It works. And now Google Maps works.
Evidently GPS Test just wasn't enough by itself.
Thanks all.
Robert

Strangely I have the opposite problem, GPSViewer can never get a satellite lock, I can leave it for minutes and nothing, but load up Google Maps and within seconds... there I am.... :-D

GPS?

It doesn't work with any application. Do i have to turn on the internal gps somehow?
Please help me.

phelixx1 said:
It doesn't work with any application. Do i have to turn on the internal gps somehow?
Please help me.
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What applications did you try?
When you start the application does the right side LED blink orange?

Nav4all, tomtom, google, and yes it blinks orange.

Same problem here...I did run quickgps and downloaded the recent update...still nothing
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Nav4all, tomtom, google, and yes it blinks orange.
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azop said:
Same problem here...I did run quickgps and downloaded the recent update...still nothing
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Go to this page and see the link for external mirror 1. use it to download GPS TEST:
http://handheld.softpedia.com/progDownload/GPS-Test-Download-34335.html
or get it here:
http://classic.pocketgear.com/softw...ssociateid=1224
When you have installed it, run it and it will auto scan the ports to find the GPS receiver. Make note of the port number - that's the one you'll need for your other applications (like tomtom etc). Make sure you have a clear view of the sky when running it and give it PLENTY time to achieve a first time fix.
By the way if you have ever used the "External GPS" on the Kaiser then you may have altered some settings that can stop GPS working. Unfortunately only a hard reset will cure this. BUT, try the above first. If GPS test can get satellites then so will other applications.
This little application GPS Test is also useful to run before things like Google Maps that some folks have problems with.
Mike

mikechannon said:
Go to this page and see the link for external mirror 1. use it to download GPS TEST:
http://handheld.softpedia.com/progDownload/GPS-Test-Download-34335.html
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Mike, this is a great program, thanks.

and if it finds stuff but the other programs still don't work?

phelixx1 said:
and if it finds stuff but the other programs still don't work?
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Ok. If GPS test works and finds sats then, you have an incorrect port set on the other applications. From GPS Test see what port it has found the GPS on. Then in tomtom say, use "other nmea device" or "internal GPS" whichever option it has in the "configure" menu and set the port to the one noted from GPS test.
Fact is that if GPS test finds sats then everything is working and its just getting the link between the GPS and the nav software that needs fixing.
Mike

I just had to leave my house and try it on the road. Now it works everywhere. YEAH!!!!!!!!!
THANKS GUYS (mikechannon) !!!!!!!!!!

this works, but why do we need to run gps test before any gsp app? is there not a reg key that will be able to fix it?

Frontline said:
this works, but why do we need to run gps test before any gsp app? is there not a reg key that will be able to fix it?
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I used to have the same exact problem...Google Maps just gives up if it doesn't find a fix right away. TomTom does finally get a lock without GPS Test, but it takes less time if you have GPS Test running beforehand.

I had the same problem .. GPS would not work with Google, MSN live. Downloaded GPS test and still nothing. I finally did a "hard" reset (painful, but I did have everything backed up on my PC with Active Sync).
After the hard reset GPS worked GREAT! I must have messed up a setting trying to get it to work. GPS test now reports that the GPS is active on COM4, 9600 baud.

Frontline said:
this works, but why do we need to run gps test before any gsp app? is there not a reg key that will be able to fix it?
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You don't have to run it before every GPS application. Some folks find Google Maps benefits from doing this but I only suggested running the GPS test app to establish which port was being used. Even with Google maps you may find on subsequent occasions you do not need to run an app like GPS Test first.
Mike

accuracy
does anyone else have the problem where tom tom doesn't show the correct position it always thinks i am about 20 - 50 meters to the left of my real position.
I seem to be on fields an awful lot or 2 - 3 street over in city centres.
very bizaar

boultz said:
does anyone else have the problem where tom tom doesn't show the correct position it always thinks i am about 20 - 50 meters to the left of my real position.
I seem to be on fields an awful lot or 2 - 3 street over in city centres.
very bizaar
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I don't have that problem - even when I have few fixed satellites. However I did read a report recently where someone routinely had the arrow showing 200mtrs away from his position. Sorry to say it was only after a Hard Reset that the problem vanished.
As a side issue. I have noticed with tomtom and any other GPS software -
If you start the GPS software in an area with no or poor GPS signal, then it will take FAR longer to get a fix EVEN when you go into a clear sky area.. If however when you start the GPS software in a good open sky area then it will fix much more quickly.
The moral of this story - don't start the GPS when you are inside a thick walled building - wait until you get outside first. I'mguessing that starting in an area with a very weak signal sends it searching in all the wrong areas for satellites and it will then take a long time to find them even when you get outside. (This is true, I have noticed with all GPS systems I've used not just the Kaiser.
Mike

FYI, I have found that Map4PDA breaks the GPS. I believe it changes the baud rate to 57600, which is incorrect (it should be 9600). The only way to fix it I have found is to Hard reset and not install Map4PDA.
TomTom, Micrsoft Live Search (with Speach), & Google Maps work great. Features set in that order.
PS that GPS test tool works GREAT. Thanks for the heads up.

which GPS?

I have had my AT&T Tilt for about a month now. I would like to use it as a GPS also, but i do not want to pay the monthly fee for a data package. What are my options? Can I buy some software? What all does it take to make it work?

There are a number of GPS software packages available: visit www.gpspassion.com for info, reviews, etc. & buy at www.semsons.com or www.buygpsnow.com.
I use Route 66 on my Tytn II, but TomTom version 6 is also very good, and is probably the most popular solution.

there are new ones coming out daily.
yeah TT6 is probably the most popular.
iguidance will text2speech and tell you the street name. Tomtom wont. they both do about the same functionality. iguidance uses more accurate streets. Tomtom has bigger buttons.
that's my $0.02

Am I looking at this right. The software packages are $100 plus?

yup. that's about right

salford said:
Am I looking at this right. The software packages are $100 plus?
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Right, and worth every penny. They work even when there is no phone service available, very usefull.

tomtom is nice but i like igo more even though it lags a lot more for some reason tomtom is flawless with no lagging.

These programs work with the factory tilt ROM from AT&T? I tried using Windows Live search GPS on the Tilt and it did not work. I tried it on a floor model.
I also tried WLS on a Moto Q Global that I had for 2 days and WLS did not find my GPS either.
I want to get a tilt but I want GPS with WLS and others as well. Would a ROM flash fix this? I was looking at the Sleuth ROM.
I want to know before I try to get one.

I've been running TT6 on my Tilt (stock AT&T rom) since the first week I had the device and it's been fine.
I'm really happy with TT6 as a purchase but I do wish I could plan a route on my PC and then upload it to my phone. I've found TomTom Home (the PC client) to be pretty much usless so far.

Did Windows Live Search work for you? Just curious if it was the floor model that was the issue. I still really want the device even though I have an 8525.

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Did Windows Live Search work for you? Just curious if it was the floor model that was the issue. I still really want the device even though I have an 8525.
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Did you consider the possibility that it didn't work because you were in the store and had no visibility of the sky?? Please tell me you weren't in a shopping mall somewhere trying to do this.
I've tried almost every GPS app out there and every one of them has worked except for Map4PDA. Avoid it like the plague. It will kill your GPS.
You really should try searching the forums. You will find a lot more info. There are TONS of GPS related threads.

I dont think (m)any Kaiser users use or would want to use live search. it's dependent on a signal. Tomtom can be used anywhere on the planet.
to answer your question, try searching http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346501&highlight=live

The store was a small single building. Google maps worked indoor. Anyways thanks for the info. When I get a Tilt I am going to try out TomTom.

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The store was a small single building. Google maps worked indoor. Anyways thanks for the info. When I get a Tilt I am going to try out TomTom.
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OK, now you're comparing WLS to GM. Bad choice because now GM can locate you based on cell towers as well as GPS. WLS can only use GPS.
Either way neither will work well indoors.

well wls can use cell towers with a registry setting.

kireol said:
well wls can use cell towers with a registry setting.
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What reg setting? I would think it would take much more than a simple reg hack to enable something like that.

it's for our GPS, not wls in specific. Kaisertweak does it. "Assisted GPS"
At least that's my take on what it does.
"Assisted GPS helps the GPS to keep tracking your position when entering areas with bad reception, like tunnels and such. You must have a real GPS lock first for this to work though"

kireol said:
I dont think (m)any Kaiser users use or would want to use live search. it's dependent on a signal. Tomtom can be used anywhere on the planet.
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I think a lot of us do. I don't spend much time outside of cell areas. If I ever plan a trip where I think I might, I'll consider the $150 then.
The latest WLS with speech recognition for directory searches is pretty slick considering it's free.

Lidberg said:
OK, now you're comparing WLS to GM. Bad choice because now GM can locate you based on cell towers as well as GPS. WLS can only use GPS.
Either way neither will work well indoors.
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Actually GM has an option to center on GPS. The position with Cell Towers is about a mile off. Obviously I used the GPS.
And again I tried at the store and GM worked with GPS and found where I was at. Then I tried WLS and it found me. But I closed GM and WLS would not find me through GPS any more. So its WLS thats not so good.

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Actually GM has an option to center on GPS. The position with Cell Towers is about a mile off. Obviously I used the GPS.
And again I tried at the store and GM worked with GPS and found where I was at. Then I tried WLS and it found me. But I closed GM and WLS would not find me through GPS any more. So its WLS thats not so good.
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I know GM has center on GPS, but it also has Locate Me feature that is unique to GM (uses cell towers). I use both and both work perfectly for me.
GM being a mile off is pretty accurate. They say within 1700 meters, which is almost exactly a mile (1.05633103 miles to be exact).

AT&T Tilt does not work with TT Navagitor 6

Hello everyone, I just dl the Navigator 6 from tiltsite.com and bought USA map for it. Installed the software, put the map into the software, and now the device did not recognize the built-in GPS. Please help. Does this phone have a built-in GPS that works with TT.
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AT&T Tilt
Rom ver 1.6

yes it does....connect your tomtom to another nmea GPS at COM 4 running 19200.... that works.

Dust2Dust said:
yes it does....connect your tomtom to another nmea GPS at COM 4 running 19200.... that works.
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umm were is the power button
how do i make a phone call
umm were is the camera button
is tom tom free..

My search button doesn't work.

I called AT&T they said that I have to paid $4.99 for 10 routes, $9.99 for unlimited in order to have the GPS working. I selected the "another NMEA GPS" and ran at 19200, but no valid signal from the GPS.

I have some swamp land in florida for sale if you want to buy it?
Let me ask this, because this should have been done first.. What happens with another GPS program?

tamkhanh said:
I called AT&T they said that I have to paid $4.99 for 10 routes, $9.99 for unlimited in order to have the GPS working. I selected the "another NMEA GPS" and ran at 19200, but no valid signal from the GPS.
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Run the QuickGPS program to download and cache the GPS satellite position data. Download google maps (www.google.com/gmm) and install it.
Go outside (ie. under an open sky with no obstructions) and run Google Maps. In the menu, choose Use GPS - give it a minute and see if it indicates it's found any satellites, and see if your position is displayed correctly. If it is, then you know your GPS is working fine.
You only pay ATT for navigation if you want to install and use their branded version of Telenav.

tamkhanh said:
Hello everyone, I just dl the Navigator 6 from tiltsite.com and bought USA map for it. Installed the software, put the map into the software, and now the device did not recognize the built-in GPS. Please help. Does this phone have a built-in GPS that works with TT.
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AT&T Tilt
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Thats funny, it works fine on mine and my wife's...

Way back when the kaiser was being pre released they said you would have to jump start the gps and that its first time to work could take up to 20 min to get a satellite. I had to use quickgps on my tilt, but only once.

tamkhanh said:
I called AT&T they said that I have to paid $4.99 for 10 routes, $9.99 for unlimited in order to have the GPS working. I selected the "another NMEA GPS" and ran at 19200, but no valid signal from the GPS.
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that is for telenav, you have to pay for it from att. telenav and tomtom are two diffrent things
i have a bridge in new york ill sell you really cheap.

TomTom DOESN'T work???? Shhhhhhhh!
I don't want my Kaiser to hear that, it obviously doesn't know that it's not supposed to work. So keep your voice down.

C'mom guys don't be TOO harsh to a noob - I'm one, too LOL
@tamkhanh:
I don't know the TT version from the webiste you refer to but TT works.
Goto <Programs> and execute <Quick GPS>
Open TomTom <Agree> tab the screen
A map picture will show, tab the screen again.
Select <change preferences>, go forward (twice I guess) and select <Show GPS status>, <Configure> it should show "built-in GPS receiver>, <select> and let TomTom sit for some time. At the first attempt it may take some time. It helps if you are outside of a building.
Other ways are:
Download google maps
Start
Select <use GPS> and wait.
A good "jumpstarter" is GPS Gate from Framson or so (http://gpsgate.com/)
If all fails I'll give you my acc. # and you can PAY ME for the ridiculous fee AT&T wants to charge for their (BTW 80% cell NOT GPS based) service.
Cheers Ty - also a noob

try 4800 insted of 19200 thats they way I always set mine up, what virsion did you say you were using? mine is 6.032 in that virsion you have an "Built-in GPS receiver" option with no settings to get wrong:-D

mech_supernova said:
try 4800 insted of 19200 thats they way I always set mine up, what virsion did you say you were using? mine is 6.032 in that virsion you have an "Built-in GPS receiver" option with no settings to get wrong:-D
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Ouch, now I know why
you sure about this ?

aberz said:
Ouch, now I know why
you sure about this ?
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Absolutly, I have never set anything GPS related higher than 4800, thats whats seems to work for me. and I have a lot of GPS programs too lol (GPS today, Tomtom navigator, Google Maps, SatCE, and Vito AstroNavigator)

mech_supernova said:
Absolutly, I have never set anything GPS related higher than 4800, thats whats seems to work for me. and I have a lot of GPS programs too lol (GPS today, Tomtom navigator, Google Maps, SatCE, and Vito AstroNavigator)
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I use "other Nmea gps receiver"

for that its com 4 and GPS Baud Rate: 4800 i set mine to that just now to make sure it works and it dose.

mech_supernova said:
for that its com 4 and GPS Baud Rate: 4800 i set mine to that just now to make sure it works and it dose.
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x2.
Mine works, for FREE.

I have Inav Iguidance and it works just fine with no att data package needed.
IT turns on the gps automatically.
Even have voice.

GPS in ATT Tilt

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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???
Did HTC or XDA devs publish a spec sheet? Did anyone ask this question before? Did Google develop the art of searching?

There's a LOT on this and if you only look at the specs, you'll know. In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.

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bigone5500 said:
Does the ATT Tilt have an internal gps? If so how can I enable it for use without an external reciever?
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seriously...I means SERIOUSLY???? Have you ever looked at the back of your Tilt where it says GPS?? or did you never read specs on the tilt or are you unable to understand english??
LEARN TO SEARCH!!!

Durrr.....why am I hungry? It doesnt say anywhere on my body that its hungry.

Yes, the ATT Tilt has GPS
It does have a built-in GPS. This same issue threw me off at first too, until I figured it out..
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP. Actual Kaiser and TyTnII owners may already know about the GPS, but the ONLY part of the "AT&T Tilt" documentation referring to GPS is the brief mention of being able to get TeleNav. I know this because I have one. The specs/box mention that it has GPS, but that's all.
Now if I remember correctly, the GPS is COM3 or COM4 by default (unless you changed it in Start->Settings->System->External GPS). I changed mine to COM0 just for the hell of it, and it functions normally.
TomTom should work just fine, set it to 4800 baud, and try it with each COM port available in the options. It sometimes takes a few minutes for TomTom to display that the GPS is in "connected, but no valid signal yet" mode.
If you want to be able to use your Tilt's GPS as an external for some other device, the best thing I've found is GPSGate, but any COM-port splitter should work (as long as it presents a new Bluetooth and/or Serial service)
GPSGate is also useful since you can tell it to log your GPS data to any URL, à la those logging/who-stole-my-phone programs. It can also multiplex the GPS port for use by multiple programs (but I think that functionality is also built into WM and is called the "GPS Intermediate Driver", but I may be mistaken)
Hope this helps!
--Weasel

It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??

Well I didnt' come to this forum to get this kind of response...and no I have never looked at the back of my phone...I let others do my dirty work
Administrators ... delete my account ... please...

bartimeus said:
It is definatly listed in the specs of the phone and it says it on the back of the phone. Why would you consider getting a phone without looking at the specs of it first??
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Oh I only researched it for 2 months and played with a friend's phone for another month before buying...

weasel5i2 said:
You flamers shouldn't flame the OP.
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Thank you.......

kareem9nba said:
In short, it does have GPS and it is usable without an external one.
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...and this is all I wanted to know...

bigone5500, just keep a list of those who flame others and those who are helpful, then when and "IF" you decide to donate, check your list.....
this site is a very good place for great info, do not let those who's only purpose here is to belittle others run you off.....

GPS stopped working for my ATT TILT
my GPS was working fine. my tomtom was working fine, googlemaps was working fine. then all of a sudden a few weeks ago it just stopped working! usually i would use GPS test to get a working signal and then I would run tomtom and it would work. a few months ago it started to take a much longer time to acquire a valid gps signal (it would take a few to 5 minutes). but now it just doesnt find one at all! is there anything i could do to try to fix this? what com port should it be on? im thinking i mightve changed one of the settings unknowingly. please help!