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AT&T 8925 not locked to TeleNav

According to this post,this guy just tested TT on his branded AT&T 8925 and it works fine. Kiss good bye to the locked to TeleNav myth!!!
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1251541&page=3

Bunch of others say it is........soooooooooo guess when everybody gets the fugly we will know. Mine is unlocked called a TyTN ll .......
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2 guys with the same device(one using google maps and the other TT) confirm it is NOT locked. Thats good enough for me. Plus they have pics to prove they have the actual AT&T device, and are posting on the forums from the 8925. Additionally, what would they gain by lying its not locked?

Don't know why would the ones posting from the fugly say it was locked? I dont call any of them liars. If I had it I wouldn't want to post pictures of it.....
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avega1027 said:
2 guys with the same device(one using google maps and the other TT) confirm it is NOT locked. Thats good enough for me. Plus they have pics to prove they have the actual AT&T device, and are posting on the forums from the 8925. Additionally, what would they gain by lying its not locked?
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Well google maps wont work unless you use another app to "jump start" the built in GPS soooooooo he had to use Telenav or TomTom or some other app in order to get it to work with google maps I dont think this proves **** to me. People the phone will be out withen the next couple of days and you will all get to see for yourself!

austinsnyc said:
Well google maps wont work unless you use another app to "jump start" the built in GPS soooooooo he had to use Telenav or TomTom or some other app in order to get it to work with google maps I dont think this proves **** to me. People the phone will be out withen the next couple of days and you will all get to see for yourself!
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My point exactly!!! It either works or it doesn't....
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austinsnyc said:
Well google maps wont work unless you use another app to "jump start" the built in GPS soooooooo he had to use Telenav or TomTom or some other app in order to get it to work with google maps I dont think this proves **** to me. People the phone will be out withen the next couple of days and you will all get to see for yourself!
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Thats odd, I have no need to jumpstart Google maps. When I tell it to track my location, I get a blue window at the top right saying its locating satellites, and then pinpoints my position.
I have it set to "Set by Windows (Via Start -> Settings) checked in the Options/Track Location Settings in Google Maps.
Under settings/external GPS
Programs Tab: GPS progtam port set to COM4,
Hardware Tab: GPS Hardware port: (none), and baud rate: 4800
Access Tab: Check Manage GPS automatically

greg3d said:
Thats odd, I have no need to jumpstart Google maps. When I tell it to track my location, I get a blue window at the top right saying its locating satellites, and then pinpoints my position.
I have it set to "Set by Windows (Via Start -> Settings) checked in the Options/Track Location Settings in Google Maps.
Under settings/external GPS
Programs Tab: GPS progtam port set to COM4,
Hardware Tab: GPS Hardware port: (none), and baud rate: 4800
Access Tab: Check Manage GPS automatically
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Thank you for being another person confirming this.

austinsnyc said:
Well google maps wont work unless you use another app to "jump start" the built in GPS soooooooo he had to use Telenav or TomTom or some other app in order to get it to work with google maps I dont think this proves **** to me. People the phone will be out withen the next couple of days and you will all get to see for yourself!
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It works as stated in this thread: http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1251541&page=7&pp=15
w/o initializing ant TeleNav, so the GPS is NOt locked and you do NOt have initialize any program(i.e. TT or TeleNav) to then be able to use another GPS software.

dwella said:
My point exactly!!! It either works or it doesn't....
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It works, period.

avega1027 said:
It works, period.
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Interesting I hadn't noticed you have yours yet???? Good grief man you are going to blow a gasket between all your posts at hofo and here in support of something that you and all that buy the fugly will find out soon enough. You would think you have a financial interest in the GPS system. Grab yourself a beer and relax......
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dwella said:
Interesting I hadn't noticed you have yours yet???? Good grief man you are going to blow a gasket between all your posts at hofo and here in support of something that you and all that buy the fugly will find out soon enough. You would think you have a financial interest in the GPS system. Grab yourself a beer and relax......
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Since when do people go by release dates, or pictures, or information leading to a particular product when they actually have the device in their hand? For that matter even go on forums to find the info out? Thats the whole purpose of "not having the device", for other people that have it BEFORE you experience the device & give their opinion on it BEFORE you buy it or have it. Thats why many forum mods get "test devices." For that particular reason, to test it before you go spend your money on something you may not like. I thank people like that because it gives you an insight on what to expect, before you buy the device. Interesting how you call the device "fugly", when I havent seen you mention you have this device in your possession. BTW I dont like beer, hard liquor here.

Sorry... Another GPS / Google Maps Question

I've read so many posts, you'd think I could get this to work.
I've run the QuickGPS that comes w/ my AT&T Tilt. It shows a download time and that it's valid for a little over 6 days from now.
When I run Google Maps, and try Track Location, I get the standard error message that says my GPS receiver is not responding.
Anyone have any thoughts/pointers?
thx
Robert

did you go into settings and change the GPS settings?

Wait. I just found another thread that says I need to run something besides QuickGPS to get Google Maps to work.
I'm confused. I need to run (i) QuickGPS, (ii) another application (such as GPS Test or GPS Viewer), AND (iii) google maps?
Or, do I just need to run (ii) and (III)?
thx
Robert

McHale said:
did you go into settings and change the GPS settings?
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Yes. ONe of the first things I did.
Com 4, 4800 baud.
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rmcalhany said:
Wait. I just found another thread that says I need to run something besides QuickGPS to get Google Maps to work.
I'm confused. I need to run (i) QuickGPS, (ii) another application (such as GPS Test or GPS Viewer), AND (iii) google maps?
Or, do I just need to run (ii) and (III)?
thx
Robert
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In theory, it should work with only (i) and (iii). However, in practice, it seems people (including me) only have success if you do (i), (ii), and (iii).
E.g. Run something like Windows Live, get the Satellite fix, then run Google Maps. I know its cumbersome, but it seems that Google Maps' tolerance for waiting for a sat signal is too short. And since all other progs work with the GPS without such actions, I'd say its a Google Maps issue, not a Kaiser one.

I have never had a problem?
I feel like i am missing something...I have Tom Tom, and google maps, and have never done anything except run them? Works flawlessly for me, are you guys running htc rom?

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Yes. ONe of the first things I did.
Com 4, 4800 baud.
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I've seen elsewhere that some people that have changed their GPS settings on the Kaiser/Tilt have needed to hard-reset to get the GPS to work again.
So, I would suggest doing a hard-reset and be sure to just not touch any GPS settings following that.
You DON'T need to run any other 3rd party apps to enable your GPS or anything of that sort. Just install Google Maps and go outside to test it. It could take up to a minute to get a signal. It's also possible you might get the error you previously mentioned, the first time you open Google Maps. Just click "retry", and that should do it.
Give that a shot and report back.

I used TomTom last night (I downloaded the free Chicago map but don't live anywhere near Chicago) and it truly is a slick app.
BUT
I use Windows Live all the time with it and am very very impressed how it works. I don't have the Google app loaded so can't comment on it specifically.
But I was having issues with QuickGPS and had to hard reset to fix it.
-Mc

It all depends on your location and how quick your unit finds the satellites. GOogle Maps has a very short timeout allowance. So, yes, sometimes, retrying over and over will work. Sometimes not. Running another program that has a higher timeout tolerance helps in those situations. E.g. I was in Portland this week and with the heavy cloud cover and rain, it took about 2.5 min for it to get a fix. Thus Google kept timing out. So, I switched to Live which waited and waited and waited, and then when it had the fix, worked nicely. I could then stop Live and switch to GoogleMaps and it would work nicely.

Yes, it is a problem with Google Maps apparently
It has a very short timeout to get satellite fix.

This is getting frustrating. Maybe I'm just an idiot. I installed Windows Live and configured it to Com 4. I then had Live "center on GPS" and instead of Palo Alto where I am now, it shows me in Oakland. When I switch to Google Maps, I still get the timeout error.
Arrrgh.
Guess I should try GPS Viewer or something instead of Windows Live?
Robert

Yes, try GPS Viewer to see the number of sats you are receiving.

RemE said:
Yes, try GPS Viewer to see the number of sats you are receiving.
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Well. Downloaded GPS Test (not GPS Viewer) and it shows about 3 satellites (usually 2 are green, 1 yellow). At the minimum, I have one yellow bar. I'm on the 6th floor with a large window that I can see a HUGE amount of sky out of. So I'm kind of disappointed. (Well, now I show no satellites).
It's been indicating "GPS Starting up" for over 3 minutes.
Google Maps still won't get GPS to work
Anyone have any idea what's going on?
Robert

i had alot of google map problems also. after setting to com 4 and 4800 baud go outside and try the track location feature. also it helps if its not too cloudy. Most of the times I was testing it I was inside the house which didnt work.

FYI. GPS Viewer has the following error on my device:
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
Robert

... and where do I find GPS Viewer? As far as I can tell, it is not on my phone..?

You need to download it, search the forum. there is a link to the site/file somewhere

found another cool one, free http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/

Just a followup. I downloaded GPSViewer from another site. It works. And now Google Maps works.
Evidently GPS Test just wasn't enough by itself.
Thanks all.
Robert

Strangely I have the opposite problem, GPSViewer can never get a satellite lock, I can leave it for minutes and nothing, but load up Google Maps and within seconds... there I am.... :-D

What is wrong with the freaking GPS?!

Hi guys!
Im freaking out! I have a Dutch MDA Vario3 and I just cant seem to get the GPS to work. Tomtom can find the intern gps but no signal! I waited for about an hour today and yesterday it didnt work also..somebody can help me out? I use tomtom 6.032
help me out will yah...

try using the gps test first or quickgps before tomtom.

kidd78 said:
try using the gps test first or quickgps before tomtom.
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I did quickgps for about ten times!
gps test?
thx for your reply

Were you indoors? Did you move to a different location? You might want to test it with an external gps receiver or try a standalone gps unit (if you can borrow one). Try and find something that is more sensitive than the Kaiser, and, in the same location, see if you can get a signal.
My point is, you might just be in a bad spot. This happens to me at work all the time, it never picks up a signal, even after an hour of searching.

you must set the right com ports up
find out which port gps is on ie. usually com7
go into config (tomtom) annd then guide the tomtom to com7
it will work took me a couple of days to work it out then seemed so obvious

The above advice is all pretty good. If this is the first time you have used tomtom then it can take a good while.
I am assuming tomtom shows the message "no valid GPS signal" after showing briefly the message "No GPS device". If so this is good. It means your com ports are set correctly.
There are two things to be sure of though:
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You have aclear view of the sky - especially on the first occassion you get a fix.
2.
Make sure you have a suitable map in the correct location. Obviously getting a fix when there is no map or the map is in the wrong directory will not succeed.
Did quick GPS work and give you a "valid until" date?
GPS test is a nice simple app that will show you the port number you are on so you can make sure tomtom is using the same one. BUT if tomtom only fails at the no valid signal stage then I think your ports are fine.
Finally, some fatal problems can occur if you have changed entries in the "external GPS" settings. This might (according to some folk) require a hard reset to correct. But try the above first.
Mike

Check this thread first..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330412
Try GPSViewer and select the port settings manually and choose "Open GPS".
You should see some som action through GPS strings in the Setup page.
Then try with TomTom or Google Maps.
I never had issues with TomTom, but google map was having hard time initializing. But after using GPSViewer, it works pretty neat and quick!

arunprakashr said:
Check this thread first..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330412
Try GPSViewer and select the port settings manually and choose "Open GPS".
You should see some som action through GPS strings in the Setup page.
Then try with TomTom or Google Maps.
I never had issues with TomTom, but google map was having hard time initializing. But after using GPSViewer, it works pretty neat and quick!
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It tests all com-ports,but gpsviewer cant find anything..

While it is true that you can screw yourself if you mess with the external GPS settings, you might not have to hard reset. Check the Kaiser Wiki; all the way at the bottom, you'll find links to the registry settings for the internal GPS. If you follow those steps, and set your TomTom to Other NMEA Receiver, you'll be fine no matter what you did with the external settings.

mikechannon said:
The above advice is all pretty good. If this is the first time you have used tomtom then it can take a good while.
I am assuming tomtom shows the message "no valid GPS signal" after showing briefly the message "No GPS device". If so this is good. It means your com ports are set correctly.
There are two things to be sure of though:
1.
You have aclear view of the sky - especially on the first occassion you get a fix.
2.
Make sure you have a suitable map in the correct location. Obviously getting a fix when there is no map or the map is in the wrong directory will not succeed.
Did quick GPS work and give you a "valid until" date?
GPS test is a nice simple app that will show you the port number you are on so you can make sure tomtom is using the same one. BUT if tomtom only fails at the no valid signal stage then I think your ports are fine.
Finally, some fatal problems can occur if you have changed entries in the "external GPS" settings. This might (according to some folk) require a hard reset to correct. But try the above first.
Mike
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I have the phone since yesterday! All settings are ok! I first had t-mobile ROM on my phone, flashed it over with a dumpped original dutch htc rom. (gps also didnt work at the original rom that was on it from t-mobile)
I live in de centre of the city. No clouds or anything..
Where can I find gps test? I tried GPS Viewer, didnt work at all, cant seem to find any ports. I did hard reset and still..it doesnt work..

Bram87 said:
I have the phone since yesterday! All settings are ok! I first had t-mobile ROM on my phone, flashed it over with a dumpped original dutch htc rom. (gps also didnt work at the original rom that was on it from t-mobile)
I live in de centre of the city. No clouds or anything..
Where can I find gps test? I tried GPS Viewer, didnt work at all, cant seem to find any ports. I did hard reset and still..it doesnt work..
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GPS test here:
http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=24687&associateid=1224
It would help us to know the following:
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When tomtom is on does the amber led for GPS flash?
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Does tomtom show "no valid GPS signal"?
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Have you got a local map installed?
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Did quick GPS download current data?
Mike

1.
When tomtom is on does the amber led for GPS flash?
Jep
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Does tomtom show "no valid GPS signal"?
also correct
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Have you got a local map installed?
uuh..west europe map..
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Did quick GPS download current data?
it says after download "valid for six days and twentythree hours"
So I gues, yes
*thx Mike for helping me so far
Edit* gps test; shows "GPS is starting up"..(slow..)

Mmmm. Did GPS test show any bars in the end?
Mike

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Mmmm. Did GPS test show any bars in the end?
Mike
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Hi mike..
It works..It took some time (alot) but..It works..Hope it keeps working!
Thank you and wish you a happy new year!

Bram87 said:
Hi mike..
It works..It took some time (alot) but..It works..Hope it keeps working!
Thank you and wish you a happy new year!
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Yep, first time around it can take a loooong time. After that it should be faster.
Happy New Year.
Mike

GPS Not Working

Just got my 8925 and cannot get the GPS to interface with TomTom. It keeps saying GPS connection not found. Is there something special to do to activate the GPS? I have run the QuickGPS.
Thanks in advance,
Tomy51

tried going outside?

Yes, I went outside, tried the 3 different types of GPS's TomTom has ans still not connection.

tomy51 said:
Yes, I went outside, tried the 3 different types of GPS's TomTom has ans still not connection.
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ok i run tomtom as well here is what i do:
1) download quickgps update
2) open gpsrouter com4 baud 4800 (search it if you don't have it)
3) run gpstest (under settings make sure it is at com4 baud 4800)
4) open tomtom (change preferences>show gps stutus>configure> try other NMEA set at com4 baud 4800 or Built-in GPS receiver. I tend to get a quicker fix using other NMEA)
good luck.

Thanks, that would probably explain why my gps isn't working as I do not have gpsrouter or gpstest. I'l go searching the forum to try and find it. Knew it had to be something, thanks agian for the help.

You really shouldn't (don't) need those things to make TomTom work. Just make sure TomTom is set to use the internal GPS (or set it to COM4 etc as above, depending on the version you have).
I use the TomTom that came on CD with the phone (not every carrier includes it) and it works perfectly, but you do need to be patient when you first start it up. Initially, it was always say "No GPS device!" for a good few moments before the internal GPS starts up, and then you'll get "Waiting for a valid GPS signal" - how long it waits then is down to your position etc. If you're outside with a good view of the sky - and your QuickGPS data is up to date - it could just be a few seconds - or you might be waiting forever if you're indoors/covered etc.
Does the "No GPS device!" message dissapear after a few moments for you? If it does then all is fine, you may just need to be more patient. If it doesn't, and it's constantly saying that, then something is misconfigured somewhere.

Boinng said:
You really shouldn't (don't) need those things to make TomTom work. Just make sure TomTom is set to use the internal GPS (or set it to COM4 etc as above, depending on the version you have).
I use the TomTom that came on CD with the phone (not every carrier includes it) and it works perfectly, but you do need to be patient when you first start it up. Initially, it was always say "No GPS device!" for a good few moments before the internal GPS starts up, and then you'll get "Waiting for a valid GPS signal" - how long it waits then is down to your position etc. If you're outside with a good view of the sky - and your QuickGPS data is up to date - it could just be a few seconds - or you might be waiting forever if you're indoors/covered etc.
Does the "No GPS device!" message dissapear after a few moments for you? If it does then all is fine, you may just need to be more patient. If it doesn't, and it's constantly saying that, then something is misconfigured somewhere.
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The ATT tilt US version doesn't come with tomtom. I have had a purchased tomtom and the cab that is floating around this forum. The only way i can get it to work with either version is to have gpstest and quickgps. But without gpsrouter i usually have to wait 10mins for a fix. Kinda sucks but hey at least it works now.

redbandana said:
The ATT tilt US version doesn't come with tomtom. I have had a purchased tomtom and the cab that is floating around this forum. The only way i can get it to work with either version is to have gpstest and quickgps. But without gpsrouter i usually have to wait 10mins for a fix. Kinda sucks but hey at least it works now.
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That's a real shame, because it works perfectly with the HTC rom. I wonder what AT&T have done to cripple it?
I just tried mine in the office and despite being inside (though on the top floor) it still had me located in about 30 seconds. There's a real joy in having a full-on, reliable TomTom in your phone - I recommend a ROM upgrade!

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That's a real shame, because it works perfectly with the HTC rom. I wonder what AT&T have done to cripple it?
I just tried mine in the office and despite being inside (though on the top floor) it still had me located in about 30 seconds. There's a real joy in having a full-on, reliable TomTom in your phone - I recommend a ROM upgrade!
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tomtom just sucks without support applications i guess. I have dutty's april 16th and i get a fix within 10-30 seconds now. Yes, I as well can get a fix from my basement within a minute if I have used my tomtom outdoors within the last quickgps upload.

Simple Problem...(I guess)

Ok, I have never used the GPS feature on my Kaiser(Once a Tilt) till now. I have never needed to cause I didnt have a data plan. I used the routers at school and my house for internet. I got TT7 and I got a data plan cause TomTom is amazing. My GPS doesnt like to work. TomTom says their is no Device Detected. QuickGPS fails. The HTC GPS tool fails.....how can i troubleshoot my gps? Just a point in the right direction would help. (FWI, HD_III_OPAL WWE, 1.65.24.36)

DemoShadow said:
....my Kaiser(Once a Tilt)
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What does that mean? Have you added a camera and changed the case as well as the ROM?
QuickGPS fails. The HTC GPS tool fails.....how can i troubleshoot my gps?
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Fails in what way? The TyTN II I have, works ok with the version of Tomtom Navigator it came with but as TTN 7 isn't officially released (yet?) as an upgrade, all I can suggest is to go back to basics, perhaps trying the setup on my TyTN II in my sig. Otherwise maybe someone who's used TTN 7 on the TyTN II can advise you. Do a search in the Kaiser software forum, there were lots of GPS related posts in there.

I got it to work, my GPS settings were incorrect. Yea and TT7 works...I just downloaded the one free map that was close by, if I need to go anywhere else I will copy the maps from my "Official SD Map Card"
*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?

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I got it to work, my GPS settings were incorrect. Yea and TT7 works...I just downloaded the one free map that was close by, if I need to go anywhere else I will copy the maps from my "Official SD Map Card"
*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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if your set has an inbuilt GPS reciever then it should be free irrespective of what plan you have ...except for whatever you need to shell out to buy the gps software and maps...

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I*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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It depends which Kaiser and where it was bought. The HTC Original TyTN II sold here in the UK came with TTN 6.032 on CDROM in the box but just like with the version you have it only allowed free download of one 'city' map. Any additional maps had to be bought and the number that went with the map could only be used on that device.

DemoShadow said:
*edit* quick question...is gps on kaiser free?
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The Kaiser's GPS receiver is integrated in the phone and doesn't need anything network-related to function (so yes, it's free in itself). It will give any program that wants it the current position, speed, heading etc of the phone.
I.e. there was no point in you "not using the GPS because you didn't have a data plan".
Then what might require a data plan or paying something is the program in question. There are 2 types of programs, those like Google maps or MS Live that are free to download and use, but DO need a data connection as they will download the map data from the net on request while navigating.
The other type like TomTom, MioMap etc do NOT need data as they store the entire maps locally on the memory card, however they are payware so you have to buy them in the first place.