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Today, a friend, called me to setup a new android phone for his wife. It was the cheap, very cheap, Alcatel Onetouch 908.
I transfered contacts, calendar events, configured emails and installed some apps from the market. The phone felt speedy, to be exact much more speedy than my Galaxy S and that started to bother me. What bothered me more was my friend, who has a Galaxy S II device. He told me out of the blue that alcatel felt speedier than his S II. I finished and 'take it for a walk'. I started sequently loading apps (browser, gmail, contants, market and talk) and then multitasked between them. The initial loading was almost immediate and, to my suprise, mutitasking was instant. My Galaxy felt like a second class device, my world shuttered... almost
I left my friend and I was angry, very angry. How could that be? I've tried numerous roms, customs and stock ones, with lagfixes enabled or disabled but, truth to be told, all of them felt like rubbish compared to an alcatel onet... I don't want to tell the evil's name!
Now, I am still angry but not with Alcatel,.. with Samsung! Am I wrong? What are your thoughts? Does anyone have an answer? Was just my imagination?
I don't suppose you have tried running 3D games on it?
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I did and it was fantastic... just kidding
No I didn't. But now you've said it, just for the laughs, next time I will be around, I'll try angry birds... if possible (although not a 3D game... I think)!
Ugliest thing ever seen on Internet
aaaaaaaaawwwwwwww, this is uglyyyyy, what an ugly phone, even if it had the speed of light, or even faster, the speed of thought or even much faster than those the speed of GOD, I would take the SGS anytime.
btw, try quadrant too, see if you get some noticable scores with it, if it's really worth your time, but if it was me, I wouldn't even set it up for a girl friend, let alone a friends girl.
well its the same story again u see a new android phone unused or if even used then used very very lightly(just calls,sms,have 10-25 apps. and all that) ! man any android pgone newly bought and used lightly can be very fast! i saw my friends galaxy ace on 2.2 bpught just 3 days ago and very lightly uaed and it was working like a lightning! if you want to see your phone this fast then flash stock jvs and you'll face lightning but as soon you get some apps in and start using it heavily youll start facing lags! download 100 apps. and do heavy multitasking on that alcatel for a week or so and youll start hating it and will throw it into a dustbin!
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You should try CyanogenMod 7 (CM7) out of the box (no apps/games installed).
It's just fast - the speed is nearly amazing. Same thing with MIUI.
And just forget stock-ROMs. You won't want to use them after you have tried an AOSP-ROM (CM7 or MIUI).
Lunchbox115 said:
You should try CyanogenMod 7 (CM7) out of the box (no apps/games installed).
It's just fast - the speed is nearly amazing. Same thing with MIUI.
And just forget stock-ROMs. You won't want to use them after you have tried an AOSP-ROM (CM7 or MIUI).
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Its not like that exactly but its very true both cm7 and minuit out of the box are amazing infraction I just installed 1.9.16 miui and it has just 7 apps. Installed and it's balzing fast ! But minuit has many problems of its own so I am moving back to Samsung based rom jetpack v5 spark very soon !
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Thanks for the replies...
-I've tried CM7: it was fast but... it didn't felt home. So I dished it and went back to the samsung related rom's!
-Yes, SGS is prettier than 908 but really it's not so ugly. After all, my post was about speed, not beauty.
-So, if I load alcatel with 100+ apps I will feel the pain you say. We'll see... But if it's true then I will be angry again, very angry... with Google!
Memory Management
The thing about multitasking is that is related mainly with memory and memory management. I think it's true, if enough free memory exists any os will keep more tasks active and multitask between them will be instant...
But android keeps loading and unloading apps, in the background, which I almost never use but consume memory.
Skype is the perfect example. When i do not need it, I am signing off skype and go straight back to my home screen... Of course, as we all know, skype persists and never exits. It's just sits there consuming memory and doing nothing. If I try to kill it, android will happily and immediately reload it. The only way really kill it, is to uninstall it, but is this a solution?
One more example? The facebook app or the friencaster app. Even if I disable every automatic refresh or log off from facebook some part of them will keep running and like skype I cannot kill it.
The essence of all this is that: I own a phone with 512 mb of ram assisted with a powerful, 1 GHz, CPU, much - much more than an alcatel OT 908 and this doesn't show. Maybe is the 100+ apps I've installed in my phone, maybe is android, maybe is a bug, maybe it's me whining. Whatever is it... it's wrong and yes, I'm starting feeling angry, very angry with... Google and Samsung
milro1970 said:
The thing about multitasking is that is related mainly with memory and memory management. I think it's true, if enough free memory exists any os will keep more tasks active and multitask between them will be instant...
But android keeps loading and unloading apps, in the background, which I almost never use but consume memory.
Skype is the perfect example. When i do not need it, I am signing off skype and go straight back to my home screen... Of course, as we all know, skype persists and never exits. It's just sits there consuming memory and doing nothing. If I try to kill it, android will happily and immediately reload it. The only way really kill it, is to uninstall it, but is this a solution?
One more example? The facebook app or the friencaster app. Even if I disable every automatic refresh or log off from facebook some part of them will keep running and like skype I cannot kill it.
The essence of all this is that: I own a phone with 512 mb of ram assisted with a powerful, 1 GHz, CPU, much - much more than an alcatel OT 908 and this doesn't show. Maybe is the 100+ apps I've installed in my phone, maybe is android, maybe is a bug, maybe it's me whining. Whatever is it... it's wrong and yes, I'm starting feeling angry, very angry with... Google and Samsung
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Assuming your phone is rooted there are apps that can disable or prevent other apps from starting and running in the background- android optimize and autostarts seem to work for me.
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Looking at the specs for the OneTouch, I am not surprised it is fast.
The 600mhz chip it is using is quite overpowered for what is effectively a featurephone. It is also supporting a much smaller, less advanced screen (256K colors, TFT) which frees up a LOT of cpu cycles for basic functions. This kind of speed while just being a phone is why feature phones aren't as dead as people keep assuming.
It is also running Froyo, which was made for this kind of phone and likely races on it, without having to worry about the sort of strains a Galaxy class smartphone puts on an OS.
Remember, if you install a slimmed down OS on a custom designed modern laptop, and ONLY install a handful of programs no doubt it will break speed records. However, to judge it against a fully loaded, professional install is like comparing apples and oranges.
milro1970 said:
I did and it was fantastic... just kidding
No I didn't. But now you've said it, just for the laughs, next time I will be around, I'll try angry birds... if possible (although not a 3D game... I think)!
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alcatel ot 908 runs NFS shift, NOVA, Gangstar, BIA2, Sandstorm, Sims3, Rackless Racing, GuerillaBob, dead space....runs 99% hd games that don't requires armv7 or 2.3
it's way better then most off QVGA android and all msm7201 and msm7225.... (hvga and qvga)
for that money...
Well I have to say.
Just bought this second hand SGS to test and compare with my Desire HD.
If I can be honest. Both have the same clock freq and specs seems the same, but the DHD (lets call it that way) is alot faster than the SGS.
I am amazed how long it takes to just open the camera. On the DHD the camera app opens in half a second I think.
Then sometimes you click on something and nothing happens making you think that you didn't click anything at all. On the DHD opening anything is instant.
I'm running Darky 10.22 so if someone knows if I need to change something to make this a faster thing please let me know.
the only advantage of the desire hd and the alcatel ot 908 (i own one of these and a desire S, very similar to the hd hardware-wise) is that out-o-the-box, they're configured almost perfectly for their respective OS version and hardware.. Samsung makes some very tough and cutting-edge hardware, but they've always been lagging behind software-wise (and still are to some extent, i know what i'm talking about here too : my main device is a note2 N7100 and my dev/test device is my old -but almost unbreakable even when I'm the one who opens it up to solder or repair sthg in it- galaxy s2 i9100... None of those were left "stock", they're both fitted with CM10-derivated ROMs (most of the time a ParanoidAndroid or some derivate), heavily customized and "after-market" optimized (thanks to all the good tips&tweaks found here at XDA ^^) just to remedy those problems.. Never for my life would I leave one of these stock (I run a stock firmware on a dual-boot on the SGS2, but that's only for entering USSD codes, as these usually won't work on CM7/9/10 ROMs)... And yet, they're both way better when they're still "stock" than the Wave 1 was, with his powerful 1GHz Snapdragon CPU, but a puny 512Mb RAM -shared with the OS/CPU and GPU at that, leaving a mere 312Mb -give or take- to the poor user.. Far too low for its memory-hungry Bada OS,even in its latest and last 2.X versions.. I couldn't even open a second page in its Dolphin browser before it started shutting down background apps and closing widgets.. :s).
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milro1970 said:
Thanks for the replies...
-I've tried CM7: it was fast but... it didn't felt home. So I dished it and went back to the samsung related rom's!
-Yes, SGS is prettier than 908 but really it's not so ugly. After all, my post was about speed, not beauty.
-So, if I load alcatel with 100+ apps I will feel the pain you say. We'll see... But if it's true then I will be angry again, very angry... with Google!
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you won't be able to load that many apps on it m8... ^^
even with a big-ass 32Gb SD card, its /system and /data partitions are way too tiny for this number.. trust me, I've tried it, it choked at 20-30 tops for "average" apps (between 1 and 4Mb each)...
I'm bored so much everyday something has broken.
With stock rom I can't play dungeon defenders with my PowerSGX 540
And with sucked balls iphone is smooth on this game.
With CM7 browser is laggy and stock kernel is so poor. Look fps in quadrant. F...k quadrant score but just look what a poor fps. After flashing glitch kernel dungeon defenders is so smooth but now it brings millions of bugs.
And now accelerometer doesn't work great it lags on CM7 or MIUI with all type of kernels. And these days are end of gingerbread. We still don't have a great gingerbread or froyo.
I have a great GPU chip great CPU chip I will put all of them into my somewhere. F...k samsung sorry for offtopic I bored so much.
Now CM9 will come with a big "0". Fix bugs fix bugs fix bugs ... And CM10 + a big 0 fix bugs fix bugs.
When can I use this sh*t?
My next phone will be a Windows Phone 7.5 or something. SGS FOR SALE.
LOL. 10 Chars.
Stupid thread, no one wants to know that u r buying a wp7. And if u wanted to sell your sgs then eBay is a better place then xda.
There is no cure for stupidity..
Before I commited myself to a 2 year contract, i researched which phone to buy for a full month. Consequently, i never moan, ***** or whinge like a little girl.
What did you do? Pull your phone out of a hat?
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This guy has a point. I play with a phone, not games though. That's why Android is perfect phone for me
I am really wondering what games he is gonna play on Windows Phone !?
To those joking with OP...can you guys name one gingerbread firmware released by Samsung that is not laggy..buggy etc etc.
Well I'm using the following combination and it works like a charm!
ODEXED Stock JVR + CF-Root + Thunderbolt 1.9 60MB LMK + Arc Launcher 2.0.
I've got pretty high FPS in games and Quadrant scores are like 2400 - 2500.
Maybe you should try it? I'm playing 9mm wich is a 1.6GB game and works pretty good!
I don't play games that often in mobile,might try the above mentioned combo. I need a firmware that works,trusty alarm clock,etc.Samsung does not give a damn about the bugs on recent firmwares that's the reason i feel with the thread starter.
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Well I'm using the following combination and it works like a charm!
ODEXED Stock JVR + CF-Root + Thunderbolt 1.9 60MB LMK + Arc Launcher 2.0.
I've got pretty high FPS in games and Quadrant scores are like 2400 - 2500.
Maybe you should try it? I'm playing 9mm wich is a 1.6GB game and works pretty good!
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Lets try dungeon defenders. You can't even just open game with this combination.
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Just tried out Dungeon Defenders. Got real laggy the first time I played at wave 3 of the first level but I restarted and it ran perfect after that. Pretty fun game. Shame if I have to restart every time though as I usually only restart when I install new kernels and stuff or go for weeks of up time.
Big bottleneck with this phone is lack of RAM, and Dungeon Defenders wants a lot of it. It says 256 MB free required, well that's tough with 330-350 MB usable. I run Semaphore bigmem with 352 MB RAM (with stock JVT odexed) and I noticed after exiting the game that 205MB was free (in the 'manage applications' 'running' tab) and I'm guessing the game was using most of that. It's a very demanding app though, most run just fine. The only problems with RAM I've had previous to this is that if do lots of stuff Slacker in the background will get killed from time to time and that may have been due to LMK settings that I was using at the time.
SGS is a great phone but it would be even better if Samsung had given us 512MB usable RAM, then programs that need 250MB would run no sweat. Seems like 1GB of RAM is going to be required real soon for people that want to run the demanding games. My SGS has served me well but I'll be eyeing the new phones with 1GB in the new year. Shame because other than the RAM, and perhaps SD card speed but that is more of a want than a need, I could easily hold off until the following year.
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Just tried out Dungeon Defenders. Got real laggy the first time I played at wave 3 of the first level but I restarted and it ran perfect after that. Pretty fun game. Shame if I have to restart every time though as I usually only restart when I install new kernels and stuff or go for weeks of up time.
Big bottleneck with this phone is lack of RAM, and Dungeon Defenders wants a lot of it. It says 256 MB free required, well that's tough with 330-350 MB usable. I run Semaphore bigmem with 352 MB RAM (with stock JVT odexed) and I noticed after exiting the game that 205MB was free (in the 'manage applications' 'running' tab) and I'm guessing the game was using most of that. It's a very demanding app though, most run just fine. The only problems with RAM I've had previous to this is that if do lots of stuff Slacker in the background will get killed from time to time and that may have been due to LMK settings that I was using at the time.
SGS is a great phone but it would be even better if Samsung had given us 512MB usable RAM, then programs that need 250MB would run no sweat. Seems like 1GB of RAM is going to be required real soon for people that want to run the demanding games. My SGS has served me well but I'll be eyeing the new phones with 1GB in the new year. Shame because other than the RAM, and perhaps SD card speed but that is more of a want than a need, I could easily hold off until the following year.
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Totally agreed. Flashing back to froyo now. For more ram.
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BHuvan goyal said:
Stupid thread, no one wants to know that u r buying a wp7. And if u wanted to sell your sgs then eBay is a better place then xda.
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Theres no need to bash someone like that. He's got a valid point in terms of games and the lags inspite of the superb hardware our phone has. After all this hardcore specs...gingerbread released by samsung is ****...yeah i know theres CM7...but come on...lets just talk about phone thats just out of the box...
i also just downgraded to froyo 2.2.1 jsd yesterday...its awesume for playing games......and i also applied supercharger script...i get lot of free ram.....
i had also tried jpk but jsd is awesume...
Well, every time I exit 9mm wich is a very demanding game, I get like 179 free ram. Also, the ARC launcher is very optimized to run on low ram (wich makes it lightweight) and doesn't redraw like TouchWiz 3 bull****.
I can't try Dungeon Defenders couse I'm out of internal SD storage all because I have a lot of games installed on my 8GB version xD.
Quadrant scores mean little to nothing in reality though.
Whole thread should change the topic to:
I'm very disappointed because I had no idea what I'm buying and what for I will use it.
well, for me riptide gp, dungeon defenders, shadowgun etc. run perfectly on jvt+doctorz rom v9+thunderbolt tweaks 1.9.1 50 lmk+loopy tweaks+semaphore kernel 1.8.2 at 1200mhz and they are like butter on 1300mhz. u can say my sgs has a bit of a better processor then most sgs out their. i get 4000 quad. easily with this combo. i am very satisfied with gingerbread and i believe windows phone 7 doesnt even these high graphic games so its just a waste of money to move on windows phone or even ios.
Hi guys Im thinking of buying this phone (I have an old ARC), the major problem I see is the lack of ram, so I whould like to know how much free ram and how it handles it!
Thanks!!
The phone has 1 GB RAM out of which about 240 - 250 MB is reserved for the use of Android system. So you get around 760 MB RAM for apps & other uses. Depending upon the number of apps one installs, limiting the number of background processes & use of task killers, one can get anything from 200 to 350 MB of free memory. This is when using the phone without rooting & using the stock OS Sony has put in the phone.
Till now my phone has handled whatever I have thrown at it except Real Racing 3. All other games run flawlessly till you get bored playing them , HD movies are no problem either. In benchmarks also, it performs very well.
With real racing the maximum I have played on my SP is about 4-5 races, after which the game crashes & I have to restart the game after some time to play. If I restart the game immediately it crashes again within 1-2 races. Others also have reported the same behaviour. But there are 1 or 2 guys who say that the game runs fine on their SPs. I repeat, other games, even heavy ones, run absolutely fine.
So unless playing Real Racing 3 is what you do most you can go for this phone. However, if are still worried & can increase your budget a bit, then go for Xperia ZR which has the same sized screen & resolution but with a quad core processor & 2 GB RAM. That phone is also dust & waterproof.
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The phone has 1 GB RAM out of which about 240 - 250 MB is reserved for the use of Android system. So you get around 760 MB RAM for apps & other uses. Depending upon the number of apps one installs, limiting the number of background processes & use of task killers, one can get anything from 200 to 350 MB of free memory. This is when using the phone without rooting & using the stock OS Sony has put in the phone.
Till now my phone has handled whatever I have thrown at it except Real Racing 3. All other games run flawlessly till you get bored playing them , HD movies are no problem either. In benchmarks also, it performs very well.
With real racing the maximum I have played on my SP is about 4-5 races, after which the game crashes & I have to restart the game after some time to play. If I restart the game immediately it crashes again within 1-2 races. Others also have reported the same behaviour. But there are 1 or 2 guys who say that the game runs fine on their SPs. I repeat, other games, even heavy ones, run absolutely fine.
So unless playing Real Racing 3 is what you do most you can go for this phone. However, if are still worried & can increase your budget a bit, then go for Xperia ZR which has the same sized screen & resolution but with a quad core processor & 2 GB RAM. That phone is also dust & waterproof.
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Thanks for the info, very handful! I have an tab 2 7.0 which 1gb of ram too, it unloads lots of stuff of the memory, but the SP is way more powerful... the experience should be different, I think.
About the ZR, its not available here in brazil, i have a plan which an cell operator here in Brazil and I can buy the SP for 520 Moneys or the ZQ(which is an Xperia ZL made to work in brazilian 4g frequencies) for 1130 moneys (BRL)
thanks a lot!
So I can choose, an SQ or an ZL for doable the price...
You're busy and don't have time to wait, which is why you need to stop reading this thread and get back to organizing your Pogs. Rate this thread to express how the LG Nexus 5X performs when multitasking. A higher rating indicates that the LG Nexus 5X keeps many apps in memory so that they don't need to reload, and that when moving between apps, transitions are smooth and performance is excellent.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Does a pretty good job keeping apps in RAM considering it only has 2GB RAM. Can hold about 6 apps.
Holds up just fine with "only" 2GB of RAM. Would I want more? Sure. I don't think there is such a thing as too much RAM. However, the Nexus 5X does hold up just fine with 2GB RAM.
I think amount of RAM is fine, but...
Nexus 5X is very capable phone and multitasking is mostly fine, but I feel that it could be better if LG would use faster flash storage(throughput), when compared to lets say Samsung flash memory that is included in Galaxy S6 and such.
For the most part it seems ok, but i do frequently experience phone locks and lag. Snapchat seems to absolutely hammer the RAM and makes the phone practically unusable, known issue from what i've seen on the Play Store reviews.
Not sure if it's my configuration...
Maybe it's the apps and features I have configured, but I see the memory becoming a problem. I'm sitting at 80% or memory used most of the time, while my N5 (with the same amount of ram) is at 46%. My N5X leaves about 350MB free, which may not cut it for intense use. I'll need to look into tweaks to reduce the OS use of memory, but I'm surprised that the N5, with the same amount of memory but a slower processor, is running more smoothly.
Never had a dropped application. 2GB is enough. I only use 200MB and have 1.7GB available which is enough to run intensive games (which required around 800MB to run).
EDIT: I am using PureNexus as my ROM so it's probably due to optimizations.
2GB is good enough for now, but given that this is a 64-bit device that means installed apps are going to take up more space both in the storage and memory. 2GB may not suffice down the road, even though it's more than enough for now.
Yap, 2 GB is good enough for now.
I really don't think the 2GB is going to be a big problem for me personally.
The 5x seems to do nice job managing the memory. Granted i only use it for browsing and reading mostly. Also the occasional video. No lagging yet.
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Maybe it's the apps and features I have configured, but I see the memory becoming a problem. I'm sitting at 80% or memory used most of the time, while my N5 (with the same amount of ram) is at 46%. My N5X leaves about 350MB free, which may not cut it for intense use. I'll need to look into tweaks to reduce the OS use of memory, but I'm surprised that the N5, with the same amount of memory but a slower processor, is running more smoothly.
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I'm looking into this also, the nexus5 was just right with my usage, but the 5x is just short with the same apps
Opera mobile which uses a lot but the system is also at 650-700mb ram
Less RAM Available!!
This is my main concern along with battery
I use tasker, twilight, autovoice, Google now, join, and many other apps that need to be kept in ram
That would let me a few MB for keeping other apps like chrome or tapatalk. I predict redraws for that apps... Right?
(I'm still deciding between 5x and moto x style)
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Multitasking sucks on this phone!
Almost all of the apps refresh everytime, and the available ram is always around 400mb even when there's no apps running in the background.
Any way to.improve this?
Coming from Nexus 6 I have to agree the available memory is too low. Apps almost always close in the background and have to constantly refresh and lose progress. And its not like I've got tons of app running all at once, just simple apps like Firefox, inbox and WhatsApp. I'm running latest version of PureNexus Rom and available memory is always below 500MB. Wouldn't recommend this phone to anyone.
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After 10 months I still have no issues with RAM management on this device. My apps rarely reload and I've never seen a launcher redraw. I'm able to do GPS navigation in the hot sun while streaming Spotify and still able to answering a SMS with Google voice without any of them closing.
Those who load up on lots of background services might have issues, however starting with Android N that will no longer be a problem. See XDA article below on Android N limiting 3rd party background services.
http://www.xda-developers.com/how-android-n-will-improve-battery-and-memory-management/
on hindsight whether 2gb of ram is enough will depend on how app developers are able to optimize their apps so that it does not hog unnecessary memory. however in the wake of the latest android n os with increase system ram consumption. i believe much modifications will have to be done to keep the 5x optimise and smooth for daily usage
Since Android N, i noticed something strange in games.
For exemple in Deus Ex Go or The Room 3.
The games runs well, but after some minutes, it starts to lag.
Don't know what's happen, it's like game is loading its content, level after level but never clean it after levels are done.
fruity101079 said:
Since Android N, i noticed something strange in games.
For exemple in Deus Ex Go or The Room 3.
The games runs well, but after some minutes, it starts to lag.
Don't know what's happen, it's like game is loading its content, level after level but never clean it after levels are done.
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It's probably more related to CPU throttling.
Android is doing the best it can with what is has on this device, but 2 GB of ram just isn't enough to handle heavy multitasking without some rather large hiccups where the device just slows down and chugs for a bit.
Hi, I have a problem with my note 8. Games are running very poorly, laggy. Sometimes when I put on another performance mode, or just randomly it goes completly without lag. I do not know if anyone else is expriencing this, but I am for half a year. My friend with a 4 year old phone runs much better than my Note 8 wich is just 2 years old. Some games run decent, but most are unplayable. Please answer - I don't want to factory reset.
Just for context, most are running at max 15-20 fps, but the others are running on less thanq 10 fps.