Apologies for cross posting, also posted on HowardForums.
Does anyone know what the camera settings actually do? I mean specifics.
For instance-
Is changing saturation to 1 effectively converting the image to grayscale or is color data preserved?
When it comes to contrast, is 3 a linear curve? What sort of curve is applied at the other settings?
For sharpness, 3 is the default. Is changing the setting to 1 or 2 simply appying less sharpening, or is it actually softening/blurring the edges?
Are other image formats besides JPEG supported and just not enabled? Lossless formats perhaps?
I know we are not talking about an amazing camera, but I would love to be able to find a baseline to work from. The closest thing to raw, unaltered data with some level of consistency between each capture would be absolutely wonderful.
I see myself using the GPS Photo feature on the Tilt quite often, especially if I can tweak the camera settings.
Thanks!
hi guys,
i would really appreciate if any of you could tell me is just me or others facing the same problem. I've set the saving pictures taken as storage card but each time i take a ew photo, it shall show as unsupported format or corrupted file when i want to view t using pictures or resco photo viewer. why does it take so long to go back to camera after taking a picture especially if set it to storage card as default. hope any of you could help me. thanks.
I'm guessing your storage card is corrupt, try reformatting it.
You can change the amount of time the capture review stays on the screen, if that's the other issue you are having.
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I'm guessing your storage card is corrupt, try reformatting it.
You can change the amount of time the capture review stays on the screen, if that's the other issue you are having.
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Yes absolutely right. I've never seen the point of reviewing the pics one at a time anyway. I've set mine to zero and it makes a huge time saving between pics.
Apologies to the OP for a somewhat hijacked thread - don't know the answers unfortunately.
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For the past 15 years I used Nokia mobiles, I was very happy the way Nokia named newly shot photos (e.g. 21062010128, i.e. 21 June, 2010 0128, the current date and then an increment number). This gave me a lot of flexibility in sorting, organising and finding photos (I know that the exif data of a photo does contain the photo shot time).
But sony, gives the numbers like 'DSC_0295'. Just the useless word DSC and an increment number. This gives me a lot of problems while finding and storing the photos. E.g. when I move some photos from my phone to a photo storing folder on my hdd, then the phone again starts naming photos like dsc0001, 002 etc. And when 2nd time I try to move these photos to my storing place, then I've to rename all the new photos so as to avoid to overwrite the earlier ones. What say fella!
VERY POOR SONY. Pls give us the proper naming method having date time included in photos title. It won't hurt you and help us a lot.
i agree with you but you can use another camera app from play store
That's because they use the same naming scheme as their Digital cameras, I think its because of the camera software, as DSC is Digital Still Camera? That prefix is common among most Digital cameras, even DSLRs from Nikon use the same naming scheme and even HTC Phones.. You can use image importing software to fix that otherwise yeah, the manual method works. You could folder them by date.
I haven't tried them but you could check this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.smartphoneapps.jcrename
or this one https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cyb.satheesh.filerenamer .
They both claim that you can batch rename files. Hope it helps.
Use dropbox camera upload.. it changes filename to date from EXIF and you can keep using stock camera.
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That's because they use the same naming scheme as their Digital cameras, I think its because of the camera software, as DSC is Digital Still Camera? That prefix is common among most Digital cameras, even DSLRs from Nikon use the same naming scheme and even HTC Phones.. You can use image importing software to fix that otherwise yeah, the manual method works. You could folder them by date.
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'The Free Photos & File Renamer' seems to be an alternative.
But my post was not a question. It was a remark regarding the deficiency of this file naming system of different manufacturers EXCEPT NOKIA!
Using 3rd party apps is never as efficient as the built in function. I don't know what is problem in implementing this thing in all sony devices. It is very very beneficial to many users.
And I know the full form of DSC. But what I don't know why they would write to the beginning of every photo shot. And particularly when there are problems in this (as enumerated in my starting post).
So, pls be kind enough to understand the spirit of my post before replying. Thanks all!
It appears you have a problem with the naming scheme because it makes it difficult to sort by date.
So in the default album app, pictures are already sorted by date.
In windows explorer you can easily set it to thumbnail then arrange by date as well....
I too think the current naming system is crap. As I file photos in folders and sometimes make a camera dump many times a day, there will be overlaps.
I'd rather see they'd be named something like this:
XXX_yyyyMMdd_hhmmss_nn.jpg
"XXX_" would be a prefix you yourself could choose. I would have it read "XZ_" because i take pictures with many different cameras and I'd like to tell the cameras apart. If no prefix is entered in the camera settings, it will be left out. (Default may be "DSC" if Sony so wishes, but please give us the choice.)
"_nn" would be a serial number (_01, _02...) IF there are multiple pictures on that same second. Otherwise the serial would be left out.
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I too think the current naming system is crap. As I file photos in folders and sometimes make a camera dump many times a day, there will be overlaps.
I'd rather see they'd be named something like this:
XXX_yyyyMMdd_hhmmss_nn.jpg
"XXX_" would be a prefix you yourself could choose. I would have it read "XZ_" because i take pictures with many different cameras and I'd like to tell the cameras apart. If no prefix is entered in the camera settings, it will be left out. (Default may be "DSC" if Sony so wishes, but please give us the choice.)
"_nn" would be a serial number (_01, _02...) IF there are multiple pictures on that same second. Otherwise the serial would be left out.
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Agreed, it couldn't get any more stupid than this ****ed up naming scheme. Sony should really do something about it.
To be honest, I like the way it is. It is consistent, clean (not a buch of digits). Is specially helpful when filtering the good and bad photos on the computer, to them move or delete them... The Nokia method would make me really confused and bothered.
Felimenta97 said:
To be honest, I like the way it is. It is consistent, clean (not a buch of digits). Is specially helpful when filtering the good and bad photos on the computer, to them move or delete them... The Nokia method would make me really confused and bothered.
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It would be great if we could choose how it names the pictures, wouldn't it?
I posted about this some time ago. Mainly because when I transfer photos to other place and delete them from phone, the camera starts counting from 0001 again. It's really bothersome if you upload photos to cloud directly from the phone.
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Agreed, it couldn't get any more stupid than this ****ed up naming scheme. Sony should really do something about it.
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i think the DSC_xxxxx is for Digital Camera Shutter counts. it usually used in professional photographer to judge the life of lens and shutter etc. and sometime they make many shot in studio and it may less than a second 3-4 shot. so the dsc_xxxx may help them to tell their stuff which is the final desicion to be use as their project. compare to date they more prefer shutter count.
I would be ok with this naming scheme, because I had some Sony Cameras (DSC-P73, DSC-W120 and now DSC-HX5), but the biggest problem is either not storing the next photo number like the cameras do, relying just in the last number found instead (if you leave a DSC_1594.JPG in /sdcard/DCIM/100ANDRO, the next photo will named as DSC_1595.JPG), and not allowing you to change this number (except by doing the way I explained, which is very inconvenient).
why not looking in the exif tag?
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Use dropbox camera upload.. it changes filename to date from EXIF and you can keep using stock camera.
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excellent suggestion!
I spent a few frustrated hours with my new Xperia ZR trying to figure out how to archive different project related pics in folders without messing everything and dropbox not only does that automatically so I have reasonably named photos now, but I don't even need to bother xfering the files over, using the cable to connect etc. As soon as I'm at home or at work on wifi it moves them over
many thanks!
cheers
V.
virtuvas said:
excellent suggestion!
I spent a few frustrated hours with my new Xperia ZR trying to figure out how to archive different project related pics in folders without messing everything and dropbox not only does that automatically so I have reasonably named photos now, but I don't even need to bother xfering the files over, using the cable to connect etc. As soon as I'm at home or at work on wifi it moves them over
many thanks!
cheers
V.
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And then you write a .bat script to automatically move the photos based on EXIF information to your \pictures\ folder on HDD .
Never bother with organizing pictures again.
you are right
zopfan said:
For the past 15 years I used Nokia mobiles, I was very happy the way Nokia named newly shot photos (e.g. 21062010128, i.e. 21 June, 2010 0128, the current date and then an increment number). This gave me a lot of flexibility in sorting, organising and finding photos (I know that the exif data of a photo does contain the photo shot time).
But sony, gives the numbers like 'DSC_0295'. Just the useless word DSC and an increment number. This gives me a lot of problems while finding and storing the photos. E.g. when I move some photos from my phone to a photo storing folder on my hdd, then the phone again starts naming photos like dsc0001, 002 etc. And when 2nd time I try to move these photos to my storing place, then I've to rename all the new photos so as to avoid to overwrite the earlier ones. What say fella!
VERY POOR SONY. Pls give us the proper naming method having date time included in photos title. It won't hurt you and help us a lot.
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ZOPFAN
You are right
I m having the same problem when organizing pictures... At least it should be squential from the beginnig of the phone life, like canon does. I think the nokia method is the best because it organises time oriented.
Like this ,its a mess... i dont want to lose time renaming fotos, and i need to put them in existent folders by subject...
PLZ if you find a solution, upgrade software or any app that can rename them by daTe will be great..
Thanx~
SONY XPERIA e4 DUAL, 2015
Nice necro-thread bumping...
And if we talk about topic its most... useless whining I heard. Every app and every system have sorting methods by date of creation/modify/name so dsc prefix is not a problem at all.
Also if you work with images for most of time, maybe you should use apps that deal with such prefix, even free IrfanView dont have problem with that.
Not to mention sorting by exif data, if you take image management serious you would know that there is such thing and this topic would be unnecessary, because there is looots of apps for that.
I've posted http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/help/z3-compact-camera-z1-compact-t2899172 but having spent a couple of days I wanted to see if other are having the same issue.
Basically.. when I take a photo in any mode, the initial capture looks great, but then 0.5-1 second later Sony 'processes' the image and it looks worse 9 times out of 10. Example is if you take a picture of your hand, the initial capture shows all the skins imperfections and looks really good on the screen, a second later, it looks softer... I am not using 'face soften' or anything like that either.
Why is this the case? Can you disable the processing? I can't believe this got through Quality Control, surely people in the product testing group would have noticed this? Seems a weird flaw in the software...
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I've posted http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/help/z3-compact-camera-z1-compact-t2899172 but having spent a couple of days I wanted to see if other are having the same issue.
Basically.. when I take a photo in any mode, the initial capture looks great, but then 0.5-1 second later Sony 'processes' the image and it looks worse 9 times out of 10. Example is if you take a picture of your hand, the initial capture shows all the skins imperfections and looks really good on the screen, a second later, it looks softer... I am not using 'face soften' or anything like that either.
Why is this the case? Can you disable the processing? I can't believe this got through Quality Control, surely people in the product testing group would have noticed this? Seems a weird flaw in the software...
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I totally get what you mean. It's as though when the shutter is half pressed, everything is in focus. Then when you snap, all goes blur.
I was attributing this maybe to my shaky hands, but apparently I'm not the only one having this problem.
More often I experience what you said in Manual mode. My photos are better in SA mode.
Sony Soft skin effect ruins all pictures of people
You are 100% correct. Sony has put a soft skin effect (some asian girls love it) on all pictures of faces. It automatically ruins your picture and makes it look fake.
I'm a professional photographer, but the new Xperia phones are so "smart" that they are useless on portrait pictures. Sony MUST fix this.
You can not take a normal picture of any face with the Xperia Z3 or Z3 Compact. Nobody should buy this phone before Sony fixes the issue with "Soft skin".
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I've posted http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/help/z3-compact-camera-z1-compact-t2899172 but having spent a couple of days I wanted to see if other are having the same issue.
Basically.. when I take a photo in any mode, the initial capture looks great, but then 0.5-1 second later Sony 'processes' the image and it looks worse 9 times out of 10. Example is if you take a picture of your hand, the initial capture shows all the skins imperfections and looks really good on the screen, a second later, it looks softer... I am not using 'face soften' or anything like that either.
Why is this the case? Can you disable the processing? I can't believe this got through Quality Control, surely people in the product testing group would have noticed this? Seems a weird flaw in the software...
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I've experienced the same thing as the OP on occasion. Sony has always had rubbish jpeg processing that destroys details, even in its high-end cameras. I really wish it would offer the option of switching noise reduction and other processing algorithms off. The Z3c camera is capable of very good quality, but the software makes taking any photo a hit-or-miss experience (janky white balance, incorrect shutter speed/ISO for scene, over processing of jpegs, etc.).
I renamed the iAuto mode to uAuto (aka Unintelligent Auto)
Does this processing still happen if you use the Google Camera app instead? My understanding is that these processing algorithms are sony-app specific and if you unlock the BL and lose your DRM keys (thanks a lot sony), you no longer get sony's denoisification/etc processing, at which point the sony camera app will behave just like any other camera app that doesn't have access to sony's processing.
This is a terrible "workaround" as sony doesn't give us a way to set google camera is default - and we can't disable these features in the sony camera app.
I've got the same problem even if I use the google's camera instead of the default one. I don't understand why we're allowed to turn off this soft skin effect even if we "turn off" with the button on option. I really hope Sony is going to fix this because it's so annoying.
Lets wait for the new android L as it will come with raw image support, so hopefully this will be a fix .
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-5-lollipop-camera-api-samples-540858/
And have hdr mode on 20meg pics with a toggle option. In fact the whole hdr function needs work. Its currently pathetic.
I also hate this softening. I was wondering if it would be deactivated by loosing drmkeys.
2mal16 said:
Lets wait for the new android L as it will come with raw image support, so hopefully this will be a fix .
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-5-lollipop-camera-api-samples-540858/
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It would be preferable if Sony had software that took decent auto-mode photos in the first place. RAW support would be nice, but half the time I don't want to be editing photos, I just want to take a quick photo and post it online. Preferably an photo that's sharp, with decent white balance, some detail left at high-ISO, and no pink spot in the middle -- four major things that are not guaranteed with the camera now. Not to mention the fact that the file size for a RAW 20MP image (often over 30MB) will lead to storage space filling up fast.
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It would be preferable if Sony had software that took decent auto-mode photos in the first place. RAW support would be nice, but half the time I don't want to be editing photos, I just want to take a quick photo and post it online. Preferably an photo that's sharp, with decent white balance, some detail left at high-ISO, and no pink spot in the middle -- four major things that are not guaranteed with the camera now. Not to mention the fact that the file size for a RAW 20MP image (often over 30MB) will lead to storage space filling up fast.
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Storage should not be that much of a problem as you always can expand with the SD card if you need to.
Nevertheless i agree with you, but since this softening effect can also be observed on Sony cameras i doubt that your wish will come true.
What RAW Image support will hopefully bring is better camera apps which process and compress exactly in the way you want without further modification on a computer (as we are basically already running around with a small computer). This of course will still take some time and effort but is very likely to happen.
So i guess we still have to live with this a couple of months .
I really like my S5 but when it comes to using the camera it looses personal every comparisson with the iPhone. Not only versios iPhone 6 but also older ones.
Either the Camera lags when I launch it and is not ready fast enough to catch the scene
Or from picture to picture I have to wait (I do have a fast sd card)
And ultimately (and this is my major complaint) all point and shoot pics are vivid and sharp on my friend's apple devices but not on mine. I can make pleasing pictures but I do have to make sure I hold my phone dead steady and bother about whether to use flash or not since relying on auto doesn't always do the trick. And focussing seems to be really slow in comparisson.
I have tried alternative apps but my shap shots are rearly as crisp as I would like to have them.
What is your experience? Or how can I improve this?
Buy an iPhone?
But seriously, it sounds like a problem with your S5, I have none of those problems, and get great pics without having to hold the phone perfectly still
Camera launches quick, photos switch perfectly smooth and fast too
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Buy an iPhone?
But seriously, it sounds like a problem with your S5, I have none of those problems, and get great pics without having to hold the phone perfectly still
Camera launches quick, photos switch perfectly smooth and fast too
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No .. actually I really dig the freedom Android gives me and since there are so few complaints I thought this thread could bring some insight. I know that my phone is quite packed with stuff and that having a ligthweight system could probably improve things a lot.
So hopefully there will be another entry or two that may enlighten me
I find the S5 camera captures pretty amazing shots in good lighting., especially outdoors in the day. At night and indoors with poor lighting, I am not that impressed with the camera. But overall it's an impressive phone, and I will never trade an android for an iphone, due to android's freedom to customize in way too many aspects.
I now found out that automatic night mode may be what's diturbing me. It is said to be degrading the overall app performance. Will see how it goes without.
daniello8 said:
I really like my S5 but when it comes to using the camera it looses personal every comparisson with the iPhone. Not only versios iPhone 6 but also older ones.
Either the Camera lags when I launch it and is not ready fast enough to catch the scene
Or from picture to picture I have to wait (I do have a fast sd card)
And ultimately (and this is my major complaint) all point and shoot pics are vivid and sharp on my friend's apple devices but not on mine. I can make pleasing pictures but I do have to make sure I hold my phone dead steady and bother about whether to use flash or not since relying on auto doesn't always do the trick. And focussing seems to be really slow in comparisson.
I have tried alternative apps but my shap shots are rearly as crisp as I would like to have them.
What is your experience? Or how can I improve this?
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I find the stock camera app fast and shot to shot (with auto night mode disabled) is fast.
However, I don't use it at all. Here's why, Samsung has a very aggressive noise reduction and sharpness that makes things look really ugly. In day light it isn't too bad but still noticeable.
If you want to unleash the capability of the camera, download Snap Camera and go to "Other" in camera settings and enable "Show advanced settings" and "Use OpenGLES 2.0" (don't enable camera2 api). Go back to "Photo" and put a checkmark on Denoise and remove the checkmark. It doesn't have a checkmark originally but it doesn't seem to disable it until you check and uncheck it. You want it to be unchecked so that it removes noise reduction. Also, check zero shutter lag and check Samsung camera mode.
Next, put the sharpness to 2 for balanced sharpness, or choose the one you want, note that after 3 images will be over sharpened.
This camera app has many features and settings, even the ability to choose what quick buttons you want. It's also fast!
Images look realistic. You will have noise all over but that's fine, at least all the details are visible.
Let me know what you think after you do the above.
Thanks for the instructions. I did first steps with Snap Camera but I cannot decide yet wheather I like denoise more than not to denoise .. I will have to do some real life tests. I do notice though that some features of that app need straightening out. It cannot write to my SD card directly and "touch to capture" is also not working. And I must admit that I miss the small preview pic I have in the stock app. Please don't get me wrong .. I have tested several camera apps so I will also gladly look deeper into this one. For a while A Better Camera has been my favorite and I also tried Googles Camera etc. Regardless of what I tried out in the end I always returned to stock.
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Thanks for the instructions. I did first steps with Snap Camera but I cannot decide yet wheather I like denoise more than not to denoise .. I will have to do some real life tests. I do notice though that some features of that app need straightening out. It cannot write to my SD card directly and "touch to capture" is also not working. And I must admit that I miss the small preview pic I have in the stock app. Please don't get me wrong .. I have tested several camera apps so I will also gladly look deeper into this one. For a while A Better Camera has been my favorite and I also tried Googles Camera etc. Regardless of what I tried out in the end I always returned to stock.
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Stock ones are always my favorites as well. I tried to find a way to remove the noise reduction using build.prop but I couldn't figure out how. For the HTC M9 that I have I can do that and use the stock app, which is awesome.
Did you try shooting to internal storage vs sd card using stock Samsung camera? Maybe it will be faster than SD card. On my M9 when I shot a raw it took 2 seconds to save in internal storage (38MB each) but when I tried saving to my Sony 40 mb/s class 10 micro sd card it took longer so I only use internal storage now, even on my S5 (though I don't have as much space on it). How fast is your SD card?
i feel like the iphone camera isnt that great plus smooth video on galaxy s5 is a win
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How fast is your SD card?
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I have a Samsung Evo+ 128MB ExtSD and and it doesn't seem to be a bottle neck. Plus I use FolderMount anyway so in fact it doesn't really matter which device I set up in the cam app since it is a link to ExtSD anyway.
Hello,
I have 2 questions regarding camera modes and editing on my Note 8. First a little back story – I often take pictures for local car dealers and each car generally gets 100-120 pictures before I go to editing. I generally take all of my pictures with “Auto” filter or as the phone calls it “effect” on. However after taking my pictures, if I were to go and access “My Files” and see the sets of pictures under “camera” I can then modify them again by selecting various effects. When doing so and selecting “Auto” again, the image is saved and almost each time comes out brighter, and in my opinion overall better looking than the original picture (which was also taken with “Auto” effect on). I then end up having to choose the pictures I plan to use from my PC, having to manually re-apply “auto” effect on each picture, and re-upload them.
What is happening here? Is the phone not applying “auto” the first time around as I'm taking pictures? Or is there a double “auto” effect going on here, once at the time of the picture being taken, and once post picture? and if so is there a way to have the 2nd version of the image as the result from the first go at it?
Is there an image editing software / samsung tool that I can use on my PC so that I can instantly apply a certain filter/effect for a batch of files in one shot? Or if not, is there a way to edit a whole folder on the phone itself if I were to isolate the images I wanted edited? Or any other solution so I don't have to manually apply an effect on each image.
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Hey
I found a bit of a frustrating bug...
I took quite a few burst shots back in July and meanwhile had many other photos done, the problem I have is when I edit the bursts to select which frames to keep and which to ditch, after saving the selection the Gallery app freezes a bit and then it loads the most recent photo I've taken, which means that in order to move on and edit the rest of the bursts I need to rescroll back to them after each save and this makes the whole triage process exhausting to say the least.
Is anybody else experiencing this?
In other words, wouldn't a bursts classification be nice to have in the Discover section of the Gallery? ?
Cheers! ?