Database Develop

Enter the Noob

I'd love to be a part of this community, but where do I go for a good primer? You all are WAY over my head with all of the registry-hacking shenanigans, but I'm a quick study. I guess I could pore over the threads until my head explodes, but isn't their a more noob-friendly way of going about catching up?
In the meantime, perhaps someone could answer some ridiculously noobish questions:
1) I read a review scolding HTC for not including "Voice Command." What is voice command?
2) I don't see why my Tilt keeps trying to connect to Edge when I'm 3 feet from my WiFi router. Can't I make it try WiFi first?
3) I think I understand that I have Edge and the faster 3G will be in my area soon. So what is GPRS all about?
4) My OLD cell phone could at least tell me how many voice messages I had. This thing only gives me an icon that looks like film - it only tells me how many message I have when it gets a new one and "notifies" me. Any way to add the number? Along these same lines, if the iPhone can "itemize" voicemails and iPhones are sold through AT&T, isn't there a way to create a WM app that does the same thing?
5) I haven't yet hooked my phone up to my PC to sync, so why is it that when I drop down the task list "ActiveSync" has always automatically started itself again?
6) How does one access the registry editor? (Don't worry, I realize that with great power comes great responsibility...)
I have a ton more questions, but I'll bother you with them in waves, I guess.
Thanks
FYI - I'm using the AT&T Tilt and the only "custom" things I've installed are Windows Live, Live Search, and the HTC Home plugin. (All very cool!)

AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! good lord read the wiki for Hermes cause most of the **** is the same and just about all of your questions have been answered in the forum!!!!
cheers

uh... thanks? Like I said, I wasn't sure where to start...
Really having second thoughts about saying "I'd love to be a part of this community" too...

Welcome to the forum drokkon
The way I see it Doug2873 just had a little accident as he was answering your question:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
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But seriously, it is always difficult to answer a post that has several questions in one and the posts in reply can end up jumbled and confused.
So, how to proceed:
Find the link on the brown bar above to the Wiki. (we do not yet have one for the Kaiser - but much of what is said for the Hermes also applies to the Kaiser)
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/ISP/ISP113/ispc013011.jpgOn the main posts page you will find a "sticky" post called search XDA-Developers Using Google. You can type key words or phrases into this and search this site only. Many of your questions have been answered several times and you can expect most of your questions to be answered. For immediate convenience here is a link to the same post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314615
If you cannot find an answer, then post a new thread, but keep it specific to a single topic. e.g. Is there a way to make my screen flash like a Xmass tree on 25th December?
It is generally frowned on to adopt a style like:
Pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeese help me
OMG! i DON'T BELIEVE IT
A sense of humour is always OK (in my view) so long as it does not cross common sense boundaries.
Hope that helps some, initally anyway.
Mike

Not everyone is as discouraging at the first person to reply.
There are apps to download that can fix most of your questions.
I would do some searching on the forums then ask what you didn't find out. I also found out the hard way that if you ask a bunch of questions as once you get considered a noob. But if you ask just one question at a time you will get good anwsers.
I don't consider myself an expert but here is what I know(or think I know on some of your questions)
1 - Voice command is voice dialing
2 - when I am on wifi mine pops up everyonce in while too but it stays connected to wifi with no problems. I haven't address it, there may be a better solution but mine seems to work find so I never messed with it.
3 - I know based on the connection that edge and 3g both connect to the internet GPRS. There are program that allow you to force it to choose the higher one or nothing.
4 - If I click on the voicemail icon it tells me how many I have.
5 - It is always running to be prepared for when you do connect so you don't have to manually start it up. From what i can tell if uses very little resource running so it has never matter to me.
6 - There are program you download to edit the registry. I would suggest looking at the sticky for the kaiser. It is reg edit for dummies that runs on your phone making it very easy to change the settings. It includes everything I was looking at changing.
Don't take my answers as fact, i am sure i will be corrected on a few of them, just trying to help.

Well Drokkon, first off, welcome. I'm pretty new here myself I am tempted to answer all your questions (though one or two have me scratching my own head) but that way you won't learn to get around. I'm siding with what mikechannon said. The answers are here, and his post explains how to find 'em
mikechannon said:
Welcome to the forum drokkon
The way I see it Doug2873 just had a little accident as he was answering your question:
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Totally off-topic but I must say, this is one of the best replies I've ever seen on XDA. That picture!
jallenclark said:
3 - I know based on the connection that edge and 3g both connect to the internet GPRS. There are program that allow you to force it to choose the higher one or nothing.
6 - There are program you download to edit the registry. I would suggest looking at the sticky for the kaiser. It is reg edit for dummies that runs on your phone making it very easy to change the settings. It includes everything I was looking at changing.
Don't take my answers as fact, i am sure i will be corrected on a few of them, just trying to help.
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3 - GPRS and EDGE use GSM, 3G uses UMTS. They do not all connect to 'the internet GPRS' or whatever you meant
6 - My sentiments exactly

drokkon said:
In the meantime, perhaps someone could answer some ridiculously noobish questions:
1) I read a review scolding HTC for not including "Voice Command." What is voice command?
Voice command allows you to use your voice to command the phone. (Duh, I know). There are 2 different types now. One, you train with your own voice .. the other (Microsoft's) requires no training and can functionally do more. Voice command is included in some roms and from some carriers, Microsofts can be purchased.
2) I don't see why my Tilt keeps trying to connect to Edge when I'm 3 feet from my WiFi router. Can't I make it try WiFi first?
Maybe a dumb question but did you turn on WiFi? Start --> Programs --> Comm Manager
3) I think I understand that I have Edge and the faster 3G will be in my area soon. So what is GPRS all about?
From Wiki:
General Packet Radio Service (GPRS) is a Mobile Data Service available to users of Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM) and IS-136mobile phones. GPRS data transfer is typically charged per megabyte of transferred data, while data communication via traditional circuit switching is billed per minute of connection time, independent of whether the user has actually transferred data or has been in an idle state. GPRS can be used for services such as Wireless Application Protocol (WAP) access, Short Message Service (SMS), Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS), and for Internet communication services such as email and World Wide Web access.
Read More: HERE
4) My OLD cell phone could at least tell me how many voice messages I had. This thing only gives me an icon that looks like film - it only tells me how many message I have when it gets a new one and "notifies" me. Any way to add the number? Along these same lines, if the iPhone can "itemize" voicemails and iPhones are sold through AT&T, isn't there a way to create a WM app that does the same thing?
There are several app out there that do that. Some free some pay. Look for Pocket Phone Zen or PhoneAlarm. You may also want to click on the icon as mentioned
5) I haven't yet hooked my phone up to my PC to sync, so why is it that when I drop down the task list "ActiveSync" has always automatically started itself again?
ActiveSync is always running (checking) for a connection. You can pretty much consider it part of the OS .. you know .. a "feature"
6) How does one access the registry editor? (Don't worry, I realize that with great power comes great responsibility...)
You will need a registry editor.
PHM Registry Editor or Total Commander (for PPC) are two free choices. Total commander is also a very good file manager.
** Keep in mind, you screw up the registry ... you will be hard reseting (formating and starting from scratch) **
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See answers in-line with your questions. I hope this helps some.

this board really moves fast too, which makes it hard to find things for new people or people that don't have a lot of time to troll the forum... i have litterally 8 different threads added to my favorites so that when i get up to speed with my phone i can bring them up and try to follow whatever directions i wanted to recall.
i've been lurking around this forum for a month and a half or so but now that i have my device in hand i realize how much more i need to know before i start messing with it. i guess a good place to start will be the wiki for the hermes after i finish the 240 page user manual for the tilt. i can't wait to start adding new things to my phone(like GPS software, WIMP, Opera mini, a cool keyboard someone recommended, etc). anyway, i am just glad a place like this exists.

mikechannon said:
Welcome to the forum drokkon
Hope that helps some, initally anyway.
Mike
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Thanks, Mike - it did! I'll be sure to check out those sources you mentioned.
jallenclark said:
Not everyone is as discouraging at the first person to reply.
2 - when I am on wifi mine pops up everyonce in while too but it stays connected to wifi with no problems. I haven't address it, there may be a better solution but mine seems to work find so I never messed with it.
4 - If I click on the voicemail icon it tells me how many I have.
Don't take my answers as fact, i am sure i will be corrected on a few of them, just trying to help.
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Thanks for the help!
2) In regards to the WiFi vs. Edge, I guess I'm just annoyed because I AM connected to WiFi and yet it keeps going for Edge. I figured out that under Settings -> Connections -> Connections -> Advanced -> Select Networks, you can choose whether programs use MEdia Net, AT&T ISP, My Work, and My ISP. First of all, this is tedious; secondly it's confusing - I assume it has to do with that confusing question that the WiFi connection asked me: "Is this connection to a) your work network or b) the internet." HUH? I'm sure I'll figure it out.
4) Furthermore, I can't click my voicemail icon. Wonder why not?
Chainfire said:
Well Drokkon, first off, welcome. I'm pretty new here myself I am tempted to answer all your questions (though one or two have me scratching my own head) but that way you won't learn to get around. I'm siding with what mikechannon said. The answers are here, and his post explains how to find 'em
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I appreciate it - hope we can both learn a lot!
wattsja said:
See answers in-line with your questions. I hope this helps some.
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Lots of good info! Thanks so much.
MAXPOW3R said:
this board really moves fast too, which makes it hard to find things for new people or people that don't have a lot of time to troll the forum... i have litterally 8 different threads added to my favorites so that when i get up to speed with my phone i can bring them up and try to follow whatever directions i wanted to recall.
i've been lurking around this forum for a month and a half or so but now that i have my device in hand i realize how much more i need to know before i start messing with it. i guess a good place to start will be the wiki for the hermes after i finish the 240 page user manual for the tilt. i can't wait to start adding new things to my phone(like GPS software, WIMP, Opera mini, a cool keyboard someone recommended, etc). anyway, i am just glad a place like this exists.
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Glad I'm not the only one! I've been lurking for about a month, waiting for the Tilt to come out. I was active over at HowardForums and AT&T forums, but once I had the thing in my hot little hands last Thursday, I figured it was time to jump ship and learn how to customize this thing to my heart's content. As you said, however, the board moves fast and I couldn't find a board for beginners or even a sticky for beginners, so I thought I'd ask.

Mobile Security??

Hi fellow WinMo users
I have read somewhere on some site or other.. a funky piece of software that once you install it.. it sits silent on your phone.. until someone sticks in a different sim.. then it starts sending a pre-defined number (yours) a text from your theives sim.. and even telling you GPS location... blah blah.. and if you want.. you can send a special text back to it.. and it will disable / delete your phonebook / wipe all your info... etc etc
Anyone know what the hell i'm on about?

Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365054
http://www.wimp-software.co.uk/
I am moving this thread to the regular Kaiser forum as it is not related to development matters. (For upgrading read development ie ROM cooking and other software development.) In this particular case, I could also have chosen the General Forum as such tracking software could apply to any phone with built in GPS.
Mike

Found it!
Thanks for the info...
http://www.evenbyte.com/?page=product&id=2
That was the one i was looking for as it will send the call history aswell as sms's sent by rougue sim inserted...

harvsingh said:
Thanks for the info...
http://www.evenbyte.com/?page=product&id=2
That was the one i was looking for as it will send the call history aswell as sms's sent by rougue sim inserted...
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I don't see the GPS tracking function that you stated you were looking for in the first post in that program you linked. Its also been about a year since they updated it. I'd be concerned how long its going to be supported.

I'm performing some thread necromancy on this sucker to highlight a couple pieces of Windows Mobile security software I remembered from my Palm Treo days with the capability to actively prevent data theft by remote password lockout and remote wipe of data. Worth adding to the list, as the two or three mentioned above and on the Wiki do not appear to be in development any longer.
This article does a nice job of laying out features (though written in a Palm-specific manner, these apps have Windows Mobile versions now).
Warden
Warden Review
mSafe
If anyone has actual experience using any of the remote wipe-capable programs listed here, I would be interested to hear more.
Best,
Mod

Recommended WM software site?

Hi, I just got a tytnii (new to windows mobile) and was trying to find a "filehippo for WinMob" type site for software, any suggestions would be appricated. I was specifically looking for:
* an IM client
* podcast client
* rss reader (river of news format)
* perhaps an email client
* drawing program
* time sync prog
* codecs? (haven't tried many diff videos yet)
* wardriving prog
* graphics viewer
Any suggettions/recommendations would be appreciated!
Cheers
-Gaiko

Try here:
http://google.com
Search for PPC or WM5 freeware /shareware /whatever

grizzley said:
Try here:
http://google.com
Search for PPC or WM5 freeware /shareware /whatever
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right. That would certianly help me find sh*tloads of software but I was hoping to find *good* software and not just any crap that happens to popup in google. Geeze dude, if you can't post something constructive then why post anything at all?

I totally agree, these smart ass remarks are useless. I normally just use handago to search for free ones.
Good luck
Lindemann

gaikokujinkyofusho said:
Hi, I just got a tytnii (new to windows mobile) and was trying to find a "filehippo for WinMob" type site for software, any suggestions would be appricated. I was specifically looking for:
* an IM client
* podcast client
* rss reader (river of news format)
* perhaps an email client
* drawing program
* time sync prog
* codecs? (haven't tried many diff videos yet)
* wardriving prog
* graphics viewer
Any suggettions/recommendations would be appreciated!
Cheers
-Gaiko
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* podcast client - I like BeyondPod
* rss reader (river of news format) - I'm trying out mDigger and NewsGator Go There is also viigo, but I found it horribly slow in comparison.
* drawing program - try http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ (I've got Pocket Picture, which meets my wants)

google.com has never failed me.

www.freecabs.de
for games
www.clickgamer.com

gaikokujinkyofusho said:
Hi, I just got a tytnii (new to windows mobile) and was trying to find a "filehippo for WinMob" type site for software, any suggestions would be appricated. I was specifically looking for:
* an IM client
* podcast client
* rss reader (river of news format)
* perhaps an email client
* drawing program
* time sync prog
* codecs? (haven't tried many diff videos yet)
* wardriving prog
* graphics viewer
Any suggettions/recommendations would be appreciated!
Cheers
-Gaiko
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1. I suggest IM+ for IM or mundu messenger or agile messenger
2. can't help with podcasts because i don't need those.
3. RSSHub works for RSS I believe.
4. your phone has a built in email client of outlook
5. i don't draw on my phone but the Notes program could be a suitable freebie for you thats built in
6. your phone changes time automatically with DST when you have it ticked in phone settings
7. for video there's a TCPMP completed package around with all codecs for it except flv which can be sound on sourceforge(use google)
8. wardriving is a bad bad thing
9. your phone has standard picture viewing but you could try S2V or HTC Album

Thanks (very much) to all for the suggestions, to the "use google crowd"; i obviously annoyed you and for that i am sorry but the point of my posting was asking for recommendations.
-Gaiko

truely smart comment
grizzley said:
Try here:
http://google.com
Search for PPC or WM5 freeware /shareware /whatever
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Honestly this is the most intelligent comment I have ever read. If you want to find good programs, then search and get your feet wet. You will install crapware and find out you don't like it, thats the only way to find out what is good and what is bad. Thats part of the fun of winMo, its all about finding what works great for you and your phone!!.

I tend to use freewareppc.com (not to be confused with freewarepocketpc.net) and ppc4all.com (search the freebies), although most of the best freewares can be found right here at xda dev. If it's worth having, at some point somebody will have suggested or recommended it and posted a link. Only trouble is that nearly always requires knowing exactly what you're after. Good luck!

gaikokujinkyofusho said:
Thanks (very much) to all for the suggestions, to the "use google crowd"; i obviously annoyed you and for that i am sorry but the point of my posting was asking for recommendations.
-Gaiko
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I suppose you want someone to install it for you, configure it, and use it for you too? You need to get aquainted with how to find stuff, etc. There's a zillion sites that are very easily found, but gee, I guess I better not say how.
BTW, you whining that people were being smartass to you while being a smartass is, well, dumbass.

khaytsus said:
I suppose you want someone to install it for you, configure it, and use it for you too? You need to get aquainted with how to find stuff, etc. There's a zillion sites that are very easily found, but gee, I guess I better not say how.
BTW, you whining that people were being smartass to you while being a smartass is, well, dumbass.
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Go easy, man. Not everyone is in the XDA mind set when they start. I'm sure first couple of people who told him to use google made their point. We all have been there one day. Now he knows.

@gaikokujinkyofusho: I recommend having a read through the PocketPC experts awards results. Lots of reviews, lots of good software. Not all free, but lots worth having (and buying!)
V

gaikokujinkyofusho said:
right. That would certianly help me find sh*tloads of software but I was hoping to find *good* software and not just any crap that happens to popup in google. Geeze dude, if you can't post something constructive then why post anything at all?
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How about stop being such a n00b and read the wiki. That tells you freeware sites etc

a few solutions
I would recomdend using the windows mobile email app especially if your email uses IMAP4
its realy sgood can cehck every 1,15,30 etc
there is a realy nice youtube app you can find the link in a post or pm me if u can't and ill email it to you
if your using aim u can download the "aim for ppc" from aol uk its what I used on my wizad now I use the installed one that came with stock att tilt rom

Basic WinMob Apps
Gaiko,
You may want to back up a bit and begin by gaining some control over the OS first.
WinMob doesn't do automated profile switching (ring settings, backlight settings...) beyond "off" and "mute."
WinMob also doesn't clean up after itself very well. You will notice that, as you use your winmob device it will get slower and slooower. So you may want to begin with a couple of basic applications like ...
phoneAlarm (pocketmax.net), which lets you manage ring tones, alerts volumes, backlight level and time to turn off... (profiles)
MemMaid (Dinar Soft) which helps keep your device's memory freed up to operate all the apps you are dying to find and install.
I would also highly recommend the following...
BeyondPod for both RSS reading and podcasts. I have tried most of what's available. BP works best and is free.
ProfiMail for email. If you are using POP email, Profi is simply the best. The user interface is very straight forward and efficient and it renders html email better than any other program I have used by far. It also lets you store email on the card (vs. internal memory). ProfiMail does not, however, integrate with your calendar app to send notifications about meetings... The big player in this space is FlexMail. BUT, the rendering of HTML mail sucks - at best - and the UI is not at all user friendly (and I use this app for my pushed email account). It will, however, integrate with your calendar to send and receive notifications.
Opera for web browsing. Period! Pay version currently @ 8.65 with 9 promised sometime before the turn of the decade.
Calendar program. Pocket Informant. Period.
When it comes to where to find your apps, check the XDA store first. Then, I recommend MobiHand and the rest. I try to go straight to the developers sites once I have found them in the hopes that they get to keep more of the price of the app that way.
Happy hunting, Richard

Can I jump in and thank dgduris.
You are one of the few people on this site who has considered a question before replying with an easy answer.
Yes this is a developer’s site, but developers work best through collaboration and being considerate to the client / users needs. Who is to say that the OP won’t end up contributing hugely in one way or another to this community? I personally think there are some on this forum who seem to be looking for a fight. I would also hazard a guess that most of these types of people aren’t actually developers themselves, but like to feel big by belittling others in public.
I try to keep my head down on these forums in fear of reprisal, where as other forums make you feel welcome and people try and help each other.
Just my 0.02p

SlyTuk said:
Can I jump in and thank dgduris.
You are one of the few people on this site who has considered a question before replying with an easy answer.
Yes this is a developer’s site, but developers work best through collaboration and being considerate to the client / users needs. Who is to say that the OP won’t end up contributing hugely in one way or another to this community? I personally think there are some on this forum who seem to be looking for a fight. I would also hazard a guess that most of these types of people aren’t actually developers themselves, but like to feel big by belittling others in public.
I try to keep my head down on these forums in fear of reprisal, where as other forums make you feel welcome and people try and help each other.
Just my 0.02p
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In fact its the complete opposite. You will find this site to be a wealth of information and everyone is more than happy to help, but alot of people (myself included) get annoyed when we see the same threads posted again and again when all people need to do is read the wiki or use the search option. These tools are there for a reason because they help people.
You will find everyone on here can be your best friend if you use the search option as all you do is create another redundant thread.
Dont take this personally as this happens every day

SlyTuk,
Thanks for the kind words.
I figure most of the folks doing the flaming need to get their hand out of their pants, go outside and soak in a little vitamin D (sun).
And I don't worry too much about them.
Once upon a time I was in Gaiko's shoes trying to understand WinMob after years with EPOC-->Symbian. I got lots of help from this forum. It is nice to be able to re-pay the value I get here as an end-user.

Sending Texts from my PC via my Diamond

Hello everyone I'm new here, well long time reader first post! I've recently come back from the dark side (Symbian based mobile).
Anyway on my old Sony Ericsson I had a great programme which enabled me to explore my mobile sync it with outlook etc, obviously the diamond being a smart phone it does this and some more! However I'm missing the ability to have my mobile plugged into my computer and my computer notifying me of texts etc with the ability for me to reply and send them using my computer rather than having to look at my phone! Lazy I know but still!
I've tried looking on here and on google however Diamond, Texting, windows are very broad terms so the results didn't really give anything significant! Anyone know of such a programme?
(sorry if this is in the wrong section or i've just been a noob and missed out the huge topic dedicated to this issue in another section).

Search for something called "MyMobiler". That will do that for you I believe.

Perfect!

WMguy said:
Search for something called "MyMobiler". That will do that for you I believe.
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Thanks for this just what i was looking for.

[App] I-RSS - Beta Closed (Updated 29.7.2011)

UPDATE 29.7.2011 - The Private Beta is now closed. The first beta version is now entering testing phase.
Let's make some good app for Windows Phone 7! I've decided to make
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
This page is about the development of new Windows phone 7 RSS Client - I-RSS. It's in the final stage of development and the goal is to create fast, nice, intuitive and competitive RSS Reader - and then push it to Marketplace. The application will probably have free and paid version (which will cost less than $2), making it attractive for users.
Screenshot is truly Work In Progress! Last Update 10.3.2011​
And what I'm currently planning for it?
An intuitive and clean RSS reader with Metro-like interface
Progress: 95%
Option to add feeds directly or by choosing from webpage
Progress: 95% (now only timeouts to handle)
Import / Export feeds from / to other feed aggregators
Preparing import from Google Reader, later sync with GR
Add selected news to Instapaper / Read It Later - to read them later
Progress: 85%
Sort the incoming news by date, source
Progress: 98%
Flag some news items so you can return to them later
Progress: 100%
Search in downloaded news
Progress: 99% - every time there is something to do better
Push notifications, toasts and live tiles
OK, this is unreal for the first versions of the app. I'll need to learn LOT about servers.
Progress of actual coding is currently approx. 85%.
Thanks goes to Captainkrtek, emuneee and mei_liberi_fatali for developing with me!
Stay tuned for news and CONTRIBUTE with your ideas!
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Original post:
Hello folks,
I had an idea recently of writing a RSS application for WP7 which would not be based on Google Reader or anything like that. But I've caught myself into a limiting Microsoft trap.
And that is: How will users add feeds? Typing the whole URL of the feed? Not really good solution, I guess. Hovewer, I came with one solution, at last.
User would type in the address of the website (ie. www.cnn.com) and the application would search for all avaible RSS sources there and let user choose.
So I will need your help. What do you think about that? Do you have any other things you think they are worth trying?
Thanks in advance

I-RSS Reservé
I think I'll reserve this one, in case I would release the app...

I don't see where the problem is in combining both in the same place.
You need an URL entry field anyway. Once the user hits enter, make a request to the URL. If it's a RSS feed that's returned, add it immediately, if it's HTML, scan for RSS feed links in the meta section and have the user select.

also make sure you have an import export function, something that is universal i think is OMAP?

Tom Servo said:
I don't see where the problem is in combining both in the same place.
You need an URL entry field anyway. Once the user hits enter, make a request to the URL. If it's a RSS feed that's returned, add it immediately, if it's HTML, scan for RSS feed links in the meta section and have the user select.
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Well, there is no problem with that, actually it was my suggestion. Thanks for confirming my thoughts.
irdawood said:
also make sure you have an import export function, something that is universal i think is OMAP?
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Be sure I'll do that... but that's another problem, where to load from / save to? We could maybe import feeds from Google Reader, but what would be the point of G:RSS then? (Items sync... I know )
Export... I could send the OPML file (no OMAP!) through email but I have to make sure I can do that using dev tools first.
Or upload to some file sharing server...
Anyways: Stay tuned for news!

Hope you've got more planned for your rss feed reader than automatically finding feeds based on domain name since Google reader already does that.
imho - syncing with an existing rss reader is the best bet. What user would want to have to resubscribe to all their feeds?

I wouldn't want to resubscribe but quite often want to add a feed on my phone as it's my primary device for casual browsing. Lack of copy/paste is a real limiting factor.

You have got here one big problem - no background app running possibility, so when new RSS comes, you won't be able to download it without firing the application first.
The only way how to get notifications is via online notifications, which means you'll have to run server where you'll fire these notifications to phone.
Or that's what I remember from KeyNote...

Of course I'm planning more things for my application! Push notifications will be a pain in the back for a while - let's hope I'll sort that out.
BTW I've updated the first post with some of my progress! Please check periodically to see what I want to have in the app and contribute with anything you find useful! In a while (few days) I'll add some screenshots with my progress.

First screenshots added
Okay, so I'm releasing first screenshots of the actual I-RSS design. You can find them in the first post, along with some progress changes.
The design can be changed, as well as other things - nothing is final, as there is still lot of work to do. Please write if you don't like it or you have some thoughts. (But also write if you like it ) This way we'll make better app for you and everyone else!
The offer to contribute to development is still valid! It's also in the first post.
Thanks for any response!

Hi, good to see RSS feeds!
Please pressurise XDA to support some useful thread subscription feeds for use with this app, it is something seriously lacking here.
Although I can't offer developer time (don't have WP7 etc and other projects) I will be happy to talk through design ideas and concepts as I am working on wm6 sense RSS tab so there will be useful concepts for both.
Feel free to have a look in the RSSTab wiki, as I aim to collect ideas etc in there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Sense_RSS_Tab_Project
Although the main focus of the tab is to create the means to a generic tab rather than fancy features, there are some I am hoping to implement eventually.
All the best.

Hey meltwater,
your ideas for Sense RSS Tab are neat! I'll certainly use some of them in my app (of course different way so it fits into WP7 design). There are some (i.e. offline mode and levelled design) I'm actually using to achieve my goals - Windows Phone 7 developer tools make this much easier.
As I see it, I should make wiki page as well, seems like your ideas are very inspiring for me! And to the RSS subscriptions in XDA-devs forum... Well, I'm in touch with Captainkrtek as he offered help with my project. Be sure I'll pressurize enough

Hey Paulos,
Sorry I havent been corresponding with you, been very busy! Ill try to see what I can do in the next few days

PaulosCZ said:
Hey meltwater,
your ideas for Sense RSS Tab are neat! I'll certainly use some of them in my app (of course different way so it fits into WP7 design). There are some (i.e. offline mode and levelled design) I'm actually using to achieve my goals - Windows Phone 7 developer tools make this much easier.
As I see it, I should make wiki page as well, seems like your ideas are very inspiring for me! And to the RSS subscriptions in XDA-devs forum... Well, I'm in touch with Captainkrtek as he offered help with my project. Be sure I'll pressurize enough
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Sound good, always good to put in ideas which are a little different and add value. At the moment trying to work out a good process for storing feeds which are no longer present in the downloaded feed. Hopefully compact .net is ok with generating xml but I doubt it, one way or another will do it.
What I've seen of windows phone 7 development the graphics and animations are very slick right out the box, where wm is a pig. Hopefully wp7 or sliverlight can be put on wm devices, would soften the effort ms is making killing off wm development.

Captainkrtek said:
Hey Paulos,
Sorry I havent been corresponding with you, been very busy! Ill try to see what I can do in the next few days
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Hey captain,
good you're still there Hopefully you will have more time in next days.
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Sound good, always good to put in ideas which are a little different and add value. At the moment trying to work out a good process for storing feeds which are no longer present in the downloaded feed. Hopefully compact .net is ok with generating xml but I doubt it, one way or another will do it.
What I've seen of windows phone 7 development the graphics and animations are very slick right out the box, where wm is a pig. Hopefully wp7 or sliverlight can be put on wm devices, would soften the effort ms is making killing off wm development.
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You can serialize and deserialize in C#, there should be no problem with that (I encountered one but nothing to worry about ). But there can be performance issues I actually met today when I combined deserializing with sorting and filtering. But important is the actual performance on device so I'll wait until Captainkrtek will have some more time.
And don't think developers for WP7 have things so easy. You still have to code many of the transitions you need.

PaulosCZ said:
Hey captain,
good you're still there Hopefully you will have more time in next days.
You can serialize and deserialize in C#, there should be no problem with that (I encountered one but nothing to worry about ). But there can be performance issues I actually met today when I combined deserializing with sorting and filtering. But important is the actual performance on device so I'll wait until Captainkrtek will have some more time.
And don't think developers for WP7 have things so easy. You still have to code many of the transitions you need.
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Yep I need to work on my xml de/serializing etc, just did some basic code to test the concept out, can now tidy it up. Hopefully it'll lead to other sense tabs using the same methods, moves the coding to .net rather than tackling sense scripts. When you post up a wiki I will link it from mine then!

OK, so I've updated my progress a bit on the first page and there are some new screenshots. By the way, when I've been looking on YouTube, I found some other interesting RSS readers that are being developed. See for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QY7iOP_9To
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOmGu6nAFRE
Neat ideas, huh?
I've already created the Wiki page - http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=I-RSS_Project - but it needs to be completed. I don't have enough time today... maybe tomorrow?

PaulosCZ said:
OK, so I've updated my progress a bit on the first page and there are some new screenshots. By the way, when I've been looking on YouTube, I found some other interesting RSS readers that are being developed. See for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QY7iOP_9To
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOmGu6nAFRE
Neat ideas, huh?
I've already created the Wiki page - http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=I-RSS_Project - but it needs to be completed. I don't have enough time today... maybe tomorrow?
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I think the 1st one of the two, some interesting ideas (although how easy it is to find what you want is another thing).
Just been looking at Custom Feeds from searches, found that Bing supports &Format=rss option to create feeds, and Google allows you to create custom ones from your Google Alerts. Will add them and see how the results work out.
I've added a cross-link to your wiki, like the progress on your 1st page, if only it would work on wm too!

nice, but remember you don't show to much information on 1 page

janneman22 said:
nice, but remember you don't show to much information on 1 page
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I assume you mean my wiki, yep I intend to split it up a little it is getting larger (just growing the content).