Hey there,
I'm having an issue with my TyTN II. It refuses to switch to 3rd party SIPs.
It would switch into the native SIPs just fine, I can use them and such, but I can't seem to use any 3rd party SIPs.
3rd party SIPs (CooTeck's TouchPal, PocketCM Keyboard) would install just fine, it's listed in the list of available SIP. However, it won't be loaded as a currently active SIP whenever it's chosen as active SIP. Instead, it would load up the Keyboard SIP.
I have yet to try it with Resco Keyboard Pro.
Have this issue as well, remember back in the day this behavior was due to memory issues....
The HTC SIP's work just fine however (Phonepad etc).....
I installed Developer One AccessPanel program which is a SIP (soft keyboard), then installed a FARSI soft keyboard, everything worked and I was able to switch between them, then installed another FARSI soft keyboard and that program prevented me from accessing the other two (same problem as yours). It all comes down to how well the soft keyboards are written. I can get it to work by removing the last soft keyboard.
the_ape said:
Have this issue as well, remember back in the day this behavior was due to memory issues....
The HTC SIP's work just fine however (Phonepad etc).....
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I have about 50% free Memory. Without anything running (just active sync). I checked through the HTC TaskMan ver. 2 or something...
hidea said:
Hey there,
I'm having an issue with my TyTN II. It refuses to switch to 3rd party SIPs.
It would switch into the native SIPs just fine, I can use them and such, but I can't seem to use any 3rd party SIPs.
3rd party SIPs (CooTeck's TouchPal, PocketCM Keyboard) would install just fine, it's listed in the list of available SIP. However, it won't be loaded as a currently active SIP whenever it's chosen as active SIP. Instead, it would load up the Keyboard SIP.
I have yet to try it with Resco Keyboard Pro.
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I use THIS FREE PROGRAM to solve that problem .. works well for CooTeck's keyboard and causes their keyboard to be the default even after a reset.
I have the same issue, it happens maybe twice a week. Usually a restart helps but it sucks because I need to wait at least 2 minutes before I can type in my preferred input method.
Why does this happen?
Thanks, that program did help me switch to a different keyboard, but it seems that I'd have to Reboot my device every time I want to switch into a different keyboard?
Again, the only problem only applies to 3rd party SIPs, switching onto the default SIPs would only take a fraction of a second.
Am I experiencing the problem described on that program's thread?
I guess what i'm trying to say is, I'm looking for a fix that will allow me to switch into different 3rd party SIPs with no delays/having to reboot, just as I could switch into the default SIPs.
I've installed PCM Keyboard and TouchPal. I've gotten each one to work at least once, but every other time selecting them brings up the standard Keyboard. This is very frustrating... I don't understand why 3rd party keyboards don't behave like the built-in SIPs.
I've been searching for a solution to this problem for hours. There are threads in many forums but none have real solutions. Has anyone here found a real fix yet?
Incidentally, I had the muns color keyboard on my Tilt and uninstalled it to try to eliminate any possible conflicts. However my standard keyboard is still colored. I doubt this is the cause of all the trouble just because so many other people have the same problem.
OK I think I figured some sh*t out...
I read in a few places that there may be a resource limitation at start-up preventing multiple SIPs from being loaded. It was supposed to have been fixed by WM5, so I had dismissed it as a possibility. HOWEVER, it's apparently still a problem in WM6.
Basically, the today screen plug-ins and your SIPs together compete for memory. I have PocketPlus running on my device as the only today screen plug-in, but that in turn loads a bunch of other plug-ins inside of it. I went into my today screen settings and disabled it from loading on start-up and did a soft reset. EVERY SIP WORKED! I then started the pocketplus today plugin and everything still worked... for a little while. After 10 minutes or so, TouchPal stopped working. I'm sure the problem will return whenever I reset as well, unless I disable my today screen plug-ins before every reset. GRR!
UPDATE: I used the Optimize settings for Enabled IM in SK tools, and disabled the ones I don't use. That seems to have had an affect. All my SIPS loaded after the past 2 out of 3 resets. This is almost definitely a resource problem, and not a conflict or a fault of any of the SIPs.
xfive420 said:
OK I think I figured some sh*t out...
Basically, the today screen plug-ins and your SIPs together compete for memory......
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Yep, that is indeed the problem.
yep. Having that problem as well. I wanna unstall those built in sip that I don't use and wanna have 3rd party one as a default. I will have to try sluth's sip cab see if it helps me or not.
mutantblack said:
I wanna unstall those built in sip that I don't use and wanna have 3rd party one as a default.
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I did that already using SK Tools. I only have 3 SIPS now but they STILL don't all load on every reset. The only original SIP I kept was the keyboard because SK Tools does not let you delete the default, and when I try to change the default to a 3rd party SIP it warns me that it may lock-up my device. I read people have had to do a hard reset after attempting to change the default so I'm reluctant to try it.
It would be cool if there was a way to hack the allotted memory for SIPS and plug-ins. That's way over my head though.
some progress
I've made some progress on this front. I've got 3 third party SIPs installed and they seem to work all the time now. I did this by doing a hard reset on my AT&T Tilt and not letting it install the bloatware. (Never used any of it anyway.) I also disabled the SIPs I don't ever use with SK Tools. When I reinstalled my apps, I took care to install anything that runs during startup to the Device and everything else to the Storage Card. Finally, I tried giving my today screen plugins a low priority load order (also with SK Tools, but not sure if this had any effect).
I'm not sure which part of all that did the job, but I suspect it was just cleaning up the device which made it run faster and smoother, thereby eliminating the memory shortage and allowing the SIPs to load.
Good luck to everyone else experiencing this annoyance.
well, the fact you had to hard-reset it isn't cool. I might do that too, though.
I hate to be posting so much, but I know a lot of people have this issue so I'm going to continue to report my progress.
After installing a few more apps including Voice Command and a couple today screen plugins, one or more of my SIPs randomly wouldn't start again. GRR!
I discovered that if I remove the non-essential links from the windows startup folder, there was enough memory for the SIPs to all work again after a soft reset. I deleted sddaemon (smart dialer / voice dialer) because I have no need for it since voice command replaces it. That saved some RAM, but the biggest memory hog, Microsoft Voice Command itself, was still there. Moving that out of the startup folder is the key. It's not necessary at startup because it's mapped to a hardware button anyway, so you just have to hit the button twice the first time you use it. No big deal. I'd rather have working SIPs.
There's a small catch. Removing the shortcut in the windows startup folder is not enough because Voice Command reinstalls a shortcut to itself if you remove it. To get around this, you can hack the executable with a hex editor so it won't do this anymore, or more simply, change the shortcut to point to a different executable and then make it read-only so it won't be overwritten. I changed mine to point to spb services, which was a different shortcut in my startup folder anyway. As long as it's named Voice Command.lnk and it is read only, Voice Command can't sneak back in there.
Now all the SIPs work again even with all my new apps installed. Woo hoo!
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Hi Guys,
I've a problem with Spb Pocket Plus and with the default settings of my TyTN II.
I'll try to explain, because my ROM is in italian and I don't know how to translate them in english.
So, these are the facts:
I've installed the Trial version of Spb Pocket Plus 4.0.1 and I've checked the option to override the default X close button as you can see in pc_capture1.jpg.
Then I deselected it and reenabled from Settings - Buttons the two default items as you can see in pc_capture2.jpg.
But as I can try on my device, after a soft-reset, I can't see in the upper right of the screen the item that can let me choose to see and eventually close the applications running on the device pc_capture3.jpg
Now my question is: what is the registry key that I have to (re)set so I can reenable that functionality overriding that ugly settings from Spb Pocket Plus (that I've deinstalled but without success in resetting the item I need)?
Yes, I know it's difficoult to understand that pictures that are in italian, but if someone can help me, I'll be glad with him/her.
Bye,
ghale.
I know this dosen't really help because you seem to be talking a different avenue than I did... but I had to totally uninstall to get the HTC X back. There is a CAB for the HTC task manager that you might install and see if it over rides the SPB settings...?
Sorry.
If you have both Pocket Plus and the HTC Close Button app running at the same time, your results aren't likely to be good. Either disable the Close Button in Settings, or shut down PP's close button in it's settings, and then soft reset. If that doesn't work, remove Pocket Plus (your settings should be preserved) and reinstall.
Done.
I've the same problem.
Thanks, btw.
Does "Done." mean that you did it and the problem was fixed or that it's still there? Tough to tell from your last post.
Simply means that the problem was NON solved.
So I've reinstalled Spb and I'm trying to use the Spb method to close the application, instead of the HTC one.
I've tried also to install the HTC Task Manager, from 1.51 to 2.00, overwriting the ROM files, too, but without success.
I've tried a lot of time, but no solution.
If someone has other info, please let us know.
Bye,
ghale.
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Does "Done." mean that you did it and the problem was fixed or that it's still there? Tough to tell from your last post.
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Go to settings - system - task manager - button and make sure both boxes there are unchecked. I run Pocket Plus (3.2 upgraded recently to 4.0) without an issue. If that doesn't resolve the problem, it may be something else you're running.
You might try posting your question(s) on the SPB forums. Mods there are most responsive to issues, especially with newly released versions of their software.
http://www.spbclub.com/forum/
Hello-
I'm new to Windows Mobile (I've been on Palm OS for at least 5 years) and I have AT&T Tilt (8925).
I've been playing around with it for a while, and there's still some things I have questions on-
1)How do I complete remove some programs that I do not want and don't appear under "Remove Programs"? I know they're located in the Windows folder, but I get a Error 5 whenever I try to delete them- I think they're read-only or something...
2) I'm also having problems with the GPS receiver. At times it will work great, acquiring a signal in seconds, and other times it won't work at all, searching for a long time to find nothing. I use Live Search and Google Maps and have the same problem with both.. Any ideas?
3) Coming from Palm OS, I'm used to text messages coming up in a view. Is there a way to change that?
4) I modified my PTT button to work as any program. Is there a specific registry key I can set it to so that it acts as a power button?
5) I use gmail and I'm using their IMAP service. Some of my messages are appearing blank when downloaded. Was I supposed to change settings or something? Why does it only work for some and not others?
6) And last but not least, does anybody have any good mod/util programs to recommend?
Thanks for your help
Also,
7) Does anyone know how to disable the sound on the 3G launch screen when the device reboots?
I havent got too many answers to your questions, but this would be a sart at least.
KaiserTweak has many necessary customizations (but I dont think it addresses most of your questions.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333898
The apps you want to remove sounds like the Cingular built-in ones. In that case you can avoid installing them by doing a hard reset, and rebooting before it installs the carrier customizations.
This article gives a step by step howto.
http://tiltsite.com/2007/10/how-to-beat-the-bloat-on-your-att-tilt/
Also this page was useful in getting my GPS problems sorted out. The GPSTEST software seemed to cure the problem all by itself (and its freeware)
http://www.expansys.nl/ft.aspx?k=100176
Surur
Yeah, I've got KaiserTweak already, I love it.
In terms of the "bloatware", that is indeed what I want to remove, but there's also some that I want to keep... Is there a way to remove programs that arent in "Remove Programs"?
Not AFAIK, but the actual AT&T apps are available as a separate cab in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332438
Unfortunately they are still bundled together, but at leas they can be cleanly uninstalled.
Surur
PTK8ofBH said:
Yeah, I've got KaiserTweak already, I love it.
In terms of the "bloatware", that is indeed what I want to remove, but there's also some that I want to keep... Is there a way to remove programs that arent in "Remove Programs"?
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Even after bypassing the bloatware install, the CAB files should still be on the device for you to install them on your own. Might take a bit of digging to find the proper ones and you may need something like Resco Explorer, or Total Commander to "see" them. I think the built in file explorer hides some of the system files, but I couldn't tell you much more than that.
Thanks. The GPS Fix doesn't seem to do much- am I missing something?
PTK8ofBH said:
Thanks. The GPS Fix doesn't seem to do much- am I missing something?
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Are you able to run it. You should be able to use it to test the function of your GPS device, and find out what port it uses etc. Its a smartphone program, so you have to use it using the keys, not the touch screen.
Surur
It seems to help and it's definately a very useful app. I'll let you know if my problems persist.
Does anyone have any ideas on the other issues I'm having?
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/wi...13031-get-keys-keyboard-zoomed-zoomboard.html
From Vito Technology. Credit to 4WinMobile.com for the announcement.
Looks interesting. In the quest for the perfect SIP, this is another entry. I tried it. Its nice, but still the buttons are too small for finger use. Would be nice if it can be skinned. But don't think it can be...It comes with a 14-day free trial. Then its $10...
My views are very similar to those of Jomo25's. Tried it very briefly but was enough to conclude that it needs a larger button skin for accurate typing. The magnifier concept is though very good but can only benefiting if the buttons were larger.
So for the time being Cootek's TouchPal remains the SIP of choice as far as I am concerned
I installed it yesterday and already used it a couple of times. In terms of reliance, nothing beats the slide out keyboard. That said, I very much like the fact that the numbers are laid out at the top of the zoomboard, very much like the desktop keyboard. The set of symbols is more complete than the keyboatd that comes with WM6. Overall, preferrable to the native WM6 application.
A warning to other users:
Tried this keyboard on my HTC Touch for about 30 seconds, pressed the language button (en) and it froze my device, only way to reset it was to pull the battery.
My device was performing INCREDIBLY SLOW so I had to end up wiping the phone with 'Clear Storage' (took over a minute to respond to even using the start menu).
The program still has reminants left on the phone as it appears to install itself partially on the ROM of the device.
cbuttery said:
The program still has reminants left on the phone as it appears to install itself partially on the ROM of the device.
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An app can't install itself in the "ROM", you have to flash to do that. What probably has happened is that the uninstall didn't clean out all the registry entries and there are bits of it left in there. You might try the demo of MemMaid and have it go through your registry. It may clean that part up.
vito tech is notorious for bad uninstalls. The image of the app was enough to get to me to click the link to see what it was, but as soon as I saw the Vito name, I quickly dismissed it. I haven't used vito stuff for a while so maybe the issues are not the same but after reading the above post about it leaving artifacts in the registry, well that sounds about on par with what I remember.
I installed it but couldn't get it to run on my Tilt. It simply refused to load up.
Has anyone else had this. Using the touch diamond qwerty keyboard (not the tiny MS one) I go to enter information and the keyboard is stuck on the number and symbols page. No amount of pressing ABC will switch it back to the text entry mode.
I had had this error on two seperate Daimonds. One with world wide english and now one with the UK rom. It is driving me mad.
I've the same problem with both keyboards (the full one and the compact one). But until now, no solution
Regards,
Flossi
I have purchased the cootek keyboard based on someone elses suggestion. It is hugely better. They have a qwerty one as well as some other faster input ones all part of the package and it was only $12 with free trial.
I have this problem too. To get the keyboard back I have to select the compact qwerty keyboard and then the full qwerty again. But that only works until I have to open the input panel again. It's very frustrating and has only just happened. The last think I did was install the Live Mesh application but I don't see how that could have effected the keyboard like this. Is there a place in the registry where I can set the default settings for the keyboard?
Have you got PCM keyboard installed. Mine only did it when that was installed and as soon as I uninstalled it fixed the other KB's. I have had the same problem on two different phones but only when PCM is installed.
I haven't installed any other keyboards, this just seems to have happened all of a sudden. However I thought I would search for forums again using different keywords and I found this thread;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=412234&highlight=keyboard+stuck
It suggested a registry location where keyboard settings are located, I set them to the values suggested in the thread and so far my keyboard has worked normally. I hoping that it's going to stay that way.
oh right thats weird because it is the same problem I had but it was because of this third party KB. I wonder if there is anything else you have installed that could have affected it. I would try uninstalling a few 3rd party apps and seeing if that fixes it.
If it happens again I'll give that a try, as it is I have my phone just the way I like it.
Thinking back I did make some keyboard changes, it was ages ago so it slipped my mind. I used a registry hack to turn off defaulting to T9 on the keyboard.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2482780&postcount=12
Looking back it makes use of the same registry settings. This could have been the cause, but I made the changes ages ago and the current problem only happened recently. Still, it's fixed now and I'm happy.
Life saver!
pljwebb said:
I haven't installed any other keyboards, this just seems to have happened all of a sudden. However I thought I would search for forums again using different keywords and I found this thread;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=412234&highlight=keyboard+stuck
It suggested a registry location where keyboard settings are located, I set them to the values suggested in the thread and so far my keyboard has worked normally. I hoping that it's going to stay that way.
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You are a fricking life saver (as is studz who originally gave the solution). I thought I was going to have to reflash my ROM. It happened to me after installing the TouchPal SIP. I decided I didn't care of it, so I went back to compact qwerty and suddenly it didn't work! The part that was messed up on mine was HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Layouts\e001 0409\
"Layout Text" and "Ime File."
Ive ended up with stupid issue here, basically I replaced my digitizer with a cheap ebay one and made a mess of it, so now my touchscreen doesnt work. Ive been ok with that until today I flashed the rom to unlock the phone and the first screen pops up with "Please tap the screen to set up your device" or something similar. Thats something I cant physically do so if anyone knows a way around that I would LOVE to hear it
Cheers.
Not yet
People will recommend using tools such as mymobiler and such, that enable you to connect to your device over the PC using activesync.
It does work, for the first tap only. The screen alignment after that is where you are boned, I find myself in the same situation.
Try researching for registry keys that can be modified, as programs like Soti's Pocketpro will allow you to modify registry keys. I'll post if I find anything similar.
search for and read about "welcome.not". the idea is to create a blank file named "welcome.not" on your storage card so the phone chooses to skip the screen alignment wizard on first boot up.
The "solution" may be:
Try flashing one of Witschey's ROMs, because he does not include neither screen alignment nor apps setup in the ROM, so that you'll access the device after flashing, no need to soft-reset nor anything.
The question is, what are you going to do if you can't touch the screen ?
Well, i can do a few things that I need with it. Use it as a phone for a start
I get a free upgrade soon so Ill go with the hero or an iphone but until then I will need a phone and an mp3 player. You can still kind of use google maps even for GPS its just tricky. I did manage my way around London with it lol.
Thanks for the tips anyway guys, Ive tried deleting the welcome file already today but the device kind of locks after that in that you cant really see any icons, even tried 2 roms with it. I will give that Witschey ROM a go though that sounds like it could be the answer to this.
welcome.not
Welcome.not file worked for me, but I did not put in on a SD card, just in the root of the device after MS does activesync.
My computer<device<double click<paste
Took the battery out, turned it on, presto.
Thanks for that!!
No need to reflash, was cool.
Well I tried a Witschey ROM and its working great! Thank you afn961 for that one. It runs very fast indeed as well compared to the stock T-mobile WM6 I had on there. Only issue I have now is that I cant access some menus without the touchscreen, worst one being the running programs menu so stuff just stays open. Cant win em all though.
quite a few cooked ROMs these days are built so that the screen alignment wizard is skipped and it won't show up unless you invoke it explicitly.
i suggested the "welcome.not" approach because it is known to work in terms of skipping the screen alignment wizard and i thought you wanted to stick to the ROM you had because it was to your liking, else i'd have suggested one of the ROMs mentioned in the first paragraph.
finally, you CAN manage running applications using one of the many third party task switchers. i will suggest "showcase" or "taskfacade". the idea is to map your PTT button to invoke the task switcher. not sure if the following will work properly but you can set the default htc task manager to close applications (instead of minimizing them) when you press OK. so you can press OK to exit the foreground application or you can invoke the third party task manager to SWITCH to another application. that way, you get multitasking AND the ability to close the applications you don't need.
check it out and let us know how it goes, good luck!