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Assisted GPS activated and now???

Hi all,
I am using Navigon6 for navigation but while driving in a tunnel navigon says "you have reached the destination" after the tunnel it starts navigating as usual. I now activated "assisted GPS" with the Kaiser Tweak but now? How does it work now? What do I have to do?
Thanks
Michael

micha2802 said:
Hi all,
I am using Navigon6 for navigation but while driving in a tunnel navigon says "you have reached the destination" after the tunnel it starts navigating as usual. I now activated "assisted GPS" with the Kaiser Tweak but now? How does it work now? What do I have to do?
Thanks
Michael
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You do nothing! Some people say the tweak works and some don't. It seems to have worked for me. I don't lose signal at this road will lots of trees now (I used to lose signal before I had this tweak applied).

Hi, so I tried the Kaiser with activated A-GPS and Navigon6. As I said I had the problem that Navigon gave the message "Destination reached" while driving through a tunnel. I expected that Navigon, because of a signal from A-GPS, won't bring these message. In the first moment I was happy because the Icon didn't turn to red in a tunnel but then there was the message again. But there is another problem, with activated A-GPS there seems to be some kind of signal (icon doesn't turn red) and because of this Navigon doesn't start routing after the tunnel. So it seems that A-GPS doesn't work together at least with Navigon6. Any ideas?
Cheers
Michael

Hi
I expected that Navigon, because of a signal from A-GPS, won't bring these message.
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As far as I know A-GPS (QuickGPS on Kaiser) is just for getting initial fix for GPS applications. This helps avoid the initial delay in getting your location, after that it will perform exactly the same.
Regards
Phil

Hi Phil,
OK, I understood what A-GPS does but Navigon should proceed navigation after a tunnel (when GPS signal is back) again even A-GPS is turned on or not?
Cheers
Michael
PhilipL said:
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As far as I know A-GPS (QuickGPS on Kaiser) is just for getting initial fix for GPS applications. This helps avoid the initial delay in getting your location, after that it will perform exactly the same.
Regards
Phil
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PhilipL said:
Hi
As far as I know A-GPS (QuickGPS on Kaiser) is just for getting initial fix for GPS applications. This helps avoid the initial delay in getting your location, after that it will perform exactly the same.
Regards
Phil
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QuickGPS is indeed a form of Assisted GPS used to quick the initial fix. However, he is talking about the Assisted GPS tweak for use _while_ navigating. It already requires a fix and lets your phone keep on tracking when going through tunnels or when satellite reception is too low. If it works by simple extrapolating direction and speed or uses some sort of GSM tower triangulation technique nobody seems to know. All we know is that the signal doesn't get lost so quickly with it As always with stuff like that, YMMV.

Are we all sure about the definition of "Assisted GPS" - 'cos QuickGPS is not my understanding of it and neither is extrapolating position using GSM tricks when the GPS signal fails.
As far as I am concerned, Assisted GPS is the term to cover a variety of techniques aimed at improving the accuracy of a fix over and above what is possible from just the received satellite signal. WAAS (EGNOS in Europe) is the most common way of doing this but on a device with a built in data connection there are other options. The basic idea is that a variety of factors including interference to the satellite signals as they come through the ionosphere and GPS satellites being out of adjustment can reduce the accuracy of the calculated location. With Assisted GPS, there are a number of base stations dotted around the world at locations which have been very accurately determined by traditional surveying techniques. GPS receivers at each of these locations are continuously calculating their GPS based locations, comparing them with the known, correct location and generating hints in a defined format which other GPS receivers can use to improve the accuracy of their calculations.
The issue then is how to get these hints out in near real-time to the remote GPS receivers. WAAS and EGNOS use dedicated satellites to transmit them back to earth, but these only cover the US and parts of Europe. With a GPS in a mobile phone, you obviously have the possibility of using the data channel to distribute the correction data - a lot cheaper than launching satellites. The EGNOS correction data is already published on their web site - not sure about WAAS - I tend to assume that enabling Assisted GPS on a Kaiser just sets the receiver to downloading the correction data stream off the internet...
Martin

No, that's not Assisted GPS. That's Differential GPS.
Assisted GPS is designed to allow GPS to perform in areas with poor satellite reception, augmenting the fix with information on nearby cell towers (which have known locations and ranges). Also, in most situations, A-GPS also means that the GPS pseudorange processing is offloaded from the phone to the tower (to allow for E911 on phones with insufficient CPU to calculate a GPS fix on their own), but I'm assuming this part of A-GPS is not coming into play here.

Some users from the pocketnavigation forum have the same Problem with the Kaiser/GPS-Chip. It seems to be a really big software/hardware bug.
By loosing the signal in the tunnel the gps chip stops to send any information to the Navigon-software. That's the problem: The required systemtime for further navigation is missing.
So Navigon tells you: You've reached your destination.
Any Firmwareupdates for this Problem?
Greetings

As far as I understood it, QuickGPS is downloading the satellite almanac from the internet, instead of getting it through the GPS. A GPS which has not been turned on for a while will get this almanac even without internet connection, but it takes about 15 minutes to download it (happens automatically in any GPS unit). Getting it from the internet saves you these 15 minutes, but if you have used your GPS recently for more than a 15 minutes period, QuickGPS should not make any difference.
The almananac for the GPS satellites is like a sun or moon almanac, just for satellites instead. This means that if you have a current almanac, and your GPS knows your rough position, then the almanac will tell the GPS where it should expect to see the satellites. This includes which of the satellites are visible on a given position on the earth (roughly around a third of them), and at what azimuth and elevation. GPS satellites are orbiting the Earth in intervals of just under 12 hours in certain orbits, intercepting the Equator at 55 degree angles (which means that they will cross 55 deg North/South when they are closest to either pole). Since they are more than 20000 km out, this is not a problem if you are actually on or close to either pole, but it means that you will not see satellites right above you at either pole. WAAS satellites are geostationary (which means they can only be somewhere over Equator at about 36000 km orbit), and these satellites do not transmit normal position and time information like the other satellites (SVs) in the GPS system, but precision and integrity information. Put in other words, they tell the GPS receiver 1) Is the signal in your area good or bad and 2) What vector to correct your measured position in whatever area your GPS says you are in. Similar for LAAS units, although they differ in being local area only but on the other hand, more precise. LAAS units are called pseudolites, because they act almost like satellites, though they are really not. For aviation, LAAS enables precision auto-landings in "zero weather" for the same reason, but since the LAAS station is on or close to the surface of the Earth, it only works when in line-of-sight of it.
The problem I am experiencing is if I turn my GPS off and move it a couple of hundred of miles and then turn it on again. This is usually when I am flying, and as we all know, the battery of the Kaiser is not really built for powering the unit for very long! When I turn the GPS on after for intance an hour or so, it still assumes the original position, and it will sometimes get a lock on on or two satellites only, trying desparately to maintain that position. Knowing how the GPS satellites interpolates via a time-shifting technique, I can see why this happens, as it gets a false fix. Aviation grade GPS systems will never lock on to anything less than 3 satellites for a 2D fix, and prefers 5 or 6 satellites minimum for integrity reasons (called RAIM).
What I think is the real problem is that these end user GPS systems for road use have to be more sensitive, so they can be used behind shielded windows and poor reception areas in buildings etc. Trees with many leaves can be an issue also, although clouds are no factor in this equation. Sunspots can blind the system completely if they are strong enough, and that is why eLORAN is an update to the LORAN-C system which is currently being considered for backup purposes mainly.
So, my Kaiser and other end user GPS units will be less restrictive for a good quality fix, and accept second guessing the position, where as aviation and other critical uses of GPS have to have a good position.
We need a GPS utility for the Kaiser GPS to carry out a position reset so it can do a new fix.

Hi guys,
OK I understood what A-GPS is but there is still the issue that Navigon really stops Navigation if the signal is lost when A-GPS is turned on.
If A-GPS is turned of there is also the message "destination reached" but after the tunnel it starts navigating again. Any idea on this?
Cheers
Michael

micha2802 said:
Hi guys,
OK I understood what A-GPS is but there is still the issue that Navigon really stops Navigation if the signal is lost when A-GPS is turned on.
If A-GPS is turned of there is also the message "destination reached" but after the tunnel it starts navigating again. Any idea on this?
Cheers
Michael
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It sounds more like a bug in Navigon more than anything, check for updates on their site.
A-GPS for Mobile devices as said by some in this thread, extrapolates from the last vector information of the GPS using also information of cell location (in some countries this info is not available due to Gov restrictions) and inserts new data available for any app when signal loss is present from the GPS unit, thus reducing the 'Lost satellite reception' on your app. On WM devices, we are not looking directly at the GPS output but at a 'handler' at com4 able to supply GPS information to more than one app at a time. This is where A-GPS and QuickGPS insert their data when needed. A-GPS just directly inserts nomal NMEA data stream whereas QuickGPS sends the latest Ephemeris data it has downloaded for satellites saving the GPS unit wasting time downloading it from the sats themselves at turn on.
It does seem that Navigon can not resume from the handover back to normal data as other apps can. The fact that it even says 'Destination reached' in a tunnel without A-GPS shows an inherent problem!

What does A-GPS cost?

I have got the A-GPS option enabled through KaiserTweak and it does make a big difference on Google Maps. My only concern is- what does it cost? Where is it connecting to to get a fix?
I am on T-Mobile UK Web n Walk (unlimited data plan) so if it is connecting through that then there is no issue. I am just always a bit wary about things that I don't understand (quite a lot to be wary about then!) and couldn't find a straight answer anywhere.
Thanks to anyone who can enlighten me!

THe GPS itself is free, the google maps you pay for the data as it downloads the map info. if you use tomtom then you dont pay for anything other than the initial cost of the maps and software if the software didnt already come with the phone

The GPS signal is courtesy of the huge sums spent on military defense over the past couple decades
For real, there is no charge for the GPS tracking proper. What does not come for free are the maps. so Google maps come over the air, meaning you pay via a data plan. If you purchase navigation software, you will pay for maps as well, but you can load them onto a storage card so there would then be no data charges. so esentially a Nav program like Tom Tom/ Garmin/ iGo, once you pay upfront, it is free thereafter (relatively speaking as you will still need to pay for the cost of charging your device battery)

Thanks for your reply. i understand that the GPS itself is free as it is just receiving satellite signals, however the Kaiser also has assisted GPS as an option in KaiserTweaks. From what I understand, this uses info from network masts to give an approximation of where you are. My question is how does this work, or more precisely are there any cost implications that should make me disable the A-GPS option?

A-GPS in terms of the updates that occur from the network are short bursts of data about every 6 days (or almost never if you use active sync regularly as the updates will occur thru the PC's internet connection). If you have any sort of data plan this is a non issue.
The phone just gets some sattellite data to speed up the startup fix when using the built-in GPS.

RemE said:
A-GPS in terms of the updates that occur from the network are short bursts of data about every 6 days (or almost never if you use active sync regularly as the updates will occur thru the PC's internet connection). If you have any sort of data plan this is a non issue.
The phone just gets some sattellite data to speed up the startup fix when using the built-in GPS.
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You are confusing A-GPS with QuickGPS. QuickGPS simply downloads satellite location data via the internet as opposed to getting it directly from the satellites. It's faster to get it from the internet. A-GPS uses cell tower triangulation, though I'm not sure how (or even if) that integrates with the satellite based triangulation when that feature is enabled. Regardless, I wouldn't think A-GPS would cost anything... it doesn't use data, and doesn't use talk time.

No, A-GPS = Assisted GPS = QuickGPS. It's free if you connects by active synch or a wifi connection. It downloads ephemerides of satellites for next 7 days (position of satellites for 6 days and 23 hours exactly) which helps your GPS for the first fix (or cold fix). So with QuickGPS (or A-GPS) you can do the fix in 15-30 seconds max instead of 2-3 minutes without . It's just an help for your GPS ( more informations on http://www.gpspassion.com)

Or you could say that QuickGPS uses A-GPS technology to assist in obtaining quicker GPS fixes. Either way mickey is right.
If you don't use Active Sync or WiFi very much you will use a small amount of data but it is a negligible amount.

mickeydeplage said:
No, A-GPS = Assisted GPS = QuickGPS. It's free if you connects by active synch or a wifi connection. It downloads ephemerides of satellites for next 7 days (position of satellites for 6 days and 23 hours exactly) which helps your GPS for the first fix (or cold fix). So with QuickGPS (or A-GPS) you can do the fix in 15-30 seconds max instead of 2-3 minutes without . It's just an help for your GPS ( more informations on http://www.gpspassion.com)
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Pretty close: The diffference in layman terms: The A-GPS allows your device to remember the last location when you hit a dead spot. This allows the selected GPS program to continue an estimated tracking based on the last recieved location, direction & speed data.
A(ssited) GPS uses no internet data. So there is no charge period. It just uses satelite data.

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No, A-GPS = Assisted GPS = QuickGPS.
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Ok what is the system used by the latest Googlemaps application, and no doubt others, which gives a rough location purely on cell tower data? I understood this to be AGPS.
Shamelessly ripped from Wikipedia...
Assisted GPS
GPS is a satellite based positioning system. Assisted GPS, or A-GPS was introduced to enhance performance. The development of A-GPS was accelerated by the U.S. FCC's E911 mandate requiring the position of a cell phone to be available to emergency call dispatchers. [1]
Conventional GPS then had difficulty providing reliable positions in poor signal conditions. For example when surrounded by tall buildings (as a result of multipath), or when the satellite signals are weakened by being indoors or under trees. Some newer receivers fare better.
In addition, when first turned on in these conditions, some non-A-GPS units may not be able to download the almanac and ephemeris information from the GPS satellites, rendering them unable to function until a clear signal can be received continuously for up to one minute.
An A-GPS receiver can address these problems in several ways, using an Assistance Server:
The Assistance Server can locate the phone roughly by what cell site it is connected to on the cellular network.
The Assistance Server has a good satellite signal, and lots of computation power, so it can compare fragmentary signals relayed to it by cell phones, with the satellite signal it receives directly, and then inform the cell phone or emergency services of the cell phone's position.
It can supply orbital data for the GPS satellites to the cell phone, enabling the cell phone to lock to the satellites when it otherwise could not, and autonomously calculate its position.
It can have better knowledge of ionospheric conditions and other errors affecting the GPS signal than the cell phone alone, enabling more precise calculation of position. (See also Wide Area Augmentation System)
Some A-GPS solutions require an active connection to a cell phone (or other data) network to function, in others [2] [3] it simply makes positioning faster and more accurate, but is not required.
As an additional benefit, it can reduce both the amount of CPU and programming required for a GPS Phone by offloading most of the work onto the assistance server. (This is not a large amount for a basic GPS - many early GPSs ran on 386/16 or similar hardware).
High Sensitivity GPS is an allied technology, that addresses some of the same issues in a way that does not require additional infrastructure. It notably cannot provide instant fixes when the phone has been off for some time, that some forms of A-GPS can.

Coorect. There are several types of Assisted GPS. The native A-GPS on the Kaiser is only for using the data recieved before hitting a dead spot, so your track can continue as estimated.
The recent cell tower & CID assisted GPS programs can take that a step further & in stead of guessing your track based on last known heading & coordinates can also use information from cell towers. Some process this data through servers which keep track of cell tower locations & then provide an estimated fix based on tower triangulation.

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Pretty close: The diffference in layman terms: The A-GPS allows your device to remember the last location when you hit a dead spot. This allows the selected GPS program to continue an estimated tracking based on the last recieved location, direction & speed data.
A(ssited) GPS uses no internet data. So there is no charge period. It just uses satelite data.
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Yep, correct! A-GPS is only a vector forwarding, short intergration of previous data. Only works whilst GPS gives out 'No Sat Data'
It also depends on if you unit is in mode 1 or mode 2 (only ref'd to WM6 GPSmode reg key as it has the handler)...
DTR Control Flow Values.
GPS_NMEA_0183 = 1
GPS_RTCM_104 = 2
Mode 2 (which is default) processes all data through the WM6 handler, Mode 1 will give you RAW data (which should solve the Navigon 'Destination Reached' problem!!!)
A-GPS costs nothing as it is only a calculation, QuickGPS costs only your Internet acces time for its own download and if you have it setup for Activesync, will only use your comps link....

Wow! glad im not the only one who is confused! I get what you're saying about it just calculating position based on last available data, but that doesn't fit with my experience with googlemaps after a hard reset where it came up with a circle of my location despite no gps fix being available.
Thanks to everyone for their help!

The excellent test of the Kaiser here : http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=237&page=1 gives a link for the QuickGPS of the Kaiser here : http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/gpsonextra_assistance.pdf

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The excellent test of the Kaiser here : http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=237&page=1 gives a link for the QuickGPS of the Kaiser here : http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/gpsonextra_assistance.pdf
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Brilliant! Thanks for clearing that one up!

mickeydeplage said:
The excellent test of the Kaiser here : http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=237&page=1 gives a link for the QuickGPS of the Kaiser here : http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/gpsonextra_assistance.pdf
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Now come on!! Where were you hiding when we needed you for reference many threads back??
Good info input...

Assisted GPS or A-GPS uses the mobile phone network to assist the GPS receiver in the mobile phone to overcome the problems associated with TTFF (time to first fix) and the low signal levels that are encountered under some situations.
For A-GPS, the network provides the Ephemeris data to the cell phone GPS receiver and this improves the TTFF. This can be achieved by incorporating a GPS receiver into the base station itself, and as this is sufficiently close in position to the mobile the data received by the base station is sufficiently accurate to be transmitted on to the mobiles. The base station receiver is obviously on all the time, and will be located in a position where it can "see" the satellites.
The information provided can be either the Ephemeris data for visible satellites or, more helpfully the code phase and Doppler ranges over which the mobile has to search, i.e. 'acquisition data'. These ranges can be estimated as the position of the mobile is bounded because it must be within the cell served by the particular base station. This technique is able to improve the TTFF by many orders of magnitude.
Assisted GPS or A-GPS is also used to improve the performance within buildings where the GPS signals are by 20 dB or possibly more. Again by providing information to the GPS receiver in the mobile it is able to better correlate the signal being received from the satellite when the signal is low in strength. Using this technique it is possible to gain considerable increases in sensitivity and some manufacturers have claimed it is possible to receive signals down to power levels of around -159dBm. The base station supplies the receiver with navigation message bits - 'sensitivity data'.
Summary: A-GPS is designed to help get the first fix, but does not improve GPS accuracy; Therefore QuickGPS is a form of A-GPS
To improve the accuracy of the GPS fix, you need Differential GPS (DGPS) - see below
There are many sources of possible errors that will degrade the accuracy of positions computed by a GPS receiver. The travel time of GPS satellite signals can be altered by atmospheric effects; when a GPS signal passes through the ionosphere and troposphere it is refracted, causing the speed of the signal to be different from the speed of a GPS signal in space. Sunspot activity also causes interference with GPS signals. Another source of error is measurement noise, or distortion of the signal caused by electrical interference or errors inherent in the GPS receiver itself. Errors in the ephemeris data (the information about satellite orbits) will also cause errors in computed positions, because the satellites weren't really where the GPS receiver "thought" they were (based on the information it received) when it computed the positions. Small variations in the atomic clocks (clock drift) on board the satellites can translate to large position errors; a clock error of 1 nanosecond translates to 1 foot or .3 meters user error on the ground. Multipath effects arise when signals transmitted from the satellites bounce off a reflective surface before getting to the receiver antenna. When this happens, the receiver gets the signal in straight line path as well as delayed path (multiple paths). The effect is similar to a ghost or double image on a TV set.
Satellite geometry can also affect the accuracy of GPS positioning. This effect is called Geometric Dilution of Precision (GDOP). GDOP refers to where the satellites are in relation to one another, and is a measure of the quality of the satellite configuration. It can magnify or lessen other GPS errors. In general, the wider the angle between satellites, the better the measurement (see GPS Basics slide show for an illustration). Most GPS receivers select the satellite constellation that will give the least uncertainty, the best satellite geometry.
GPS receivers usually report the quality of satellite geometry in terms of Position Dilution of Precision, or PDOP. PDOP refers to horizontal (HDOP) and vertical (VDOP) measurements (latitude, longitude and altitude). You can check the quality of the satellite configuration your receiver is currently using by looking at the PDOP value. A low DOP indicates a higher probability of accuracy, and a high DOP indicates a lower probability of accuracy. A PDOP of 4 or less is excellent, a PDOP between 5 AND 8 is acceptable, and a PDOP of 9 or greater is poor. Another term you may encounter is TDOP, or Time Dilution of Precision. TDOP refers to satellite clock offset. On a GPS receiver you can set a parameter known as the PDOP mask. This will cause the receiver to ignore satellite configurations that have a PDOP higher than the limit you specify.
The nett result of all these error can amount to 10 metres. To provide corrections, Assisted GPS uses data taken from a series on "Known" fixed locations to provide some estimation of the GPS error at a particular location and thus correct it. How this error correction data gets to your PDA depends on the hardware and software involved. Some GPS hardware vendors offer a web/GPRS based service. Differential GPS (DGPS) uses long-wave radio, requiring an additional radio receiver & many transmitting beacons.
WAAS (Wide Area Augmentation System) is a satellite based differential GPS system (DGPS ). A set of satellites constantly transmit correction data for s et of known points. The simplicity of the system is the error correction data is transmitted in the sand frequency spectrum as the GPS data, so not extra radio gear is needed. http://www8.garmin.com/aboutGPS/waas.html gives a reasonable overview of how WAAS works
WAAS is a US based system first tested in 1999; Europe has an equivalent system called EGNOS (European Geostationary Navigation Overlay Service ) operational since July 2005
PS: the Kaiser's GPS receiver has no DGPS functions

Any way to force google maps/kaiser to use wireless traingulation instead of the GPS

So the internal GPS is one of the primary reasons I wanted the Kaiser, but when it comes down to it, it's the rare occasion that I actually use the GPS for much, especially stuff outside of basic "where am I" and "how do I get there" with gmaps...
Even when using quickgps, sometimes when I need to know where I am in relation to somewhere I'm going, quickly, it can still take way too long to pick up sat signals. I was in the car with a friend the other night (this is a guy that I constantly harass for having an iPhone (and he harasses me for the opposite)) and when we both pulled out our phones with gmaps, he knew right where we were, instantly, while all I could do was sit there and try my hardest to not make excuses about why I wasn't picking up a sat signal quickly.
Unless I'm using other GPS software, for my uses with gmaps, I'd really rather just be able to use the triangulation that non-GPS phones use. I tried turning off the GPS (GPS program port: None) in settings, but gmaps just searches anyway, not finding any hardware and/or sats.
Is what I want to do possible? I'm sure I'll get several responses on how I can speed up my sat signal pickup, which is NOT what I'm looking for. I just want to be able to use gmaps "My Location" without using the internal GPS, thus saving battery as well as getting a quicker pickup on where I am...
TIA
Geo

Yes, what your asking for is just using "My Location" without GPS. I use "My Location" all the time it does not activate my GPS. Here is an article that confirms "My Location" does not use GPS.
http://gigaom.com/2007/11/28/google-my-location/
-McMex

mcmexican said:
Yes, what your asking for is just using "My Location" without GPS. I use "My Location" all the time it does not activate my GPS. Here is an article that confirms "My Location" does not use GPS.
http://gigaom.com/2007/11/28/google-my-location/
-McMex
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I know that My Location can be used without GPS, I'm just wondering if it's possible on a Kaiser. Assuming you have a Kaiser device, what and how do you have it set up so that gmaps doesn't activate/use GPS, but instead uses the cell towers?

On my device using GoogleMaps 2.0.0.11 the option for My Location works separately from Use GPS. The location (within 1.7KM) is picked up within seconds, GPS does take longer but is accurate to individual rooms within my home. The Cell based locator is obviously dependent on your Carriers Cell towers and I know in the past I have been unable to get a location over HSDPA or 3G but GPRS worked. Now though on TMobile UK at home I can get my cell based location using any non Wifi data connection.

Smack! Smack!

wizzzard said:
On my device using GoogleMaps 2.0.0.11 the option for My Location works separately from Use GPS. The location (within 1.7KM) is picked up within seconds, GPS does take longer but is accurate to individual rooms within my home. The Cell based locator is obviously dependent on your Carriers Cell towers and I know in the past I have been unable to get a location over HSDPA or 3G but GPRS worked. Now though on TMobile UK at home I can get my cell based location using any non Wifi data connection.
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Ah, my apologies. Turns out I was not using the latest version. I've installed v2 with separate GPS/My Location, and My Location without GPS works great!
Thanks to all.

bananachunks said:
I know that My Location can be used without GPS, I'm just wondering if it's possible on a Kaiser. Assuming you have a Kaiser device, what and how do you have it set up so that gmaps doesn't activate/use GPS, but instead uses the cell towers?
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By default My Location DOES NOT use GPS. You have to enable GPS from the menu.
Yes I have a Kaiser (actually 2at&t Tilts) and use Google Maps (v2.0.0.12)

kyphur said:
By default My Location DOES NOT use GPS. You have to enable GPS from the menu.
Yes I have a Kaiser (actually 2at&t Tilts) and use Google Maps (v2.0.0.12)
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Yes, I found this out by installing the latest Google Maps (after my last ROM flash, I installed gmaps from a cab I already had on sd, which was apparently not a recent version).
Thank you - I love the fact that I can use gmaps without GPS now for the quick "where am I" without having to wait, but can still use GPS when I feel like it, and also still have it enabled in Settings for use in other GPS programs.
Thanks again

[Q] GPS Standalone doubt (Clarification required too)

I know SGS has a lot of issue with GPS. Here's mine. I've cold start and standalone set-up in lbs test mode. Now the problem is it'll lock on to satellites in a matter of 20sec with 15m accuracy only when connected to wi-fi couldn't check for gprs since sgs doesn't save my apn =(. But with wi-fi switched off it doesn't speak to any satellites forget about getting a lock on them. Doubt here is, isn't standalone mode supposed to be GPS working without any data connection of any sort or am I missing something here? Kindly clarify. Also what does MS based and MS assisted mean in the test mode. Checked for GPS with Network Provider selected in test mode. I get accuracy of 3.8km here at my home....
Thanks & Regards

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Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App

I just tested indoors (rainy here) and the SGS did get a lock. I've switched off cellular data and wifi, cleared the AGPS data with "GPS Status", and it took a long time (few minutes) to get a lock.
But that was indoors, where it always takes a bit longer to get a lock.

I tried it outside last evening and it would only see the sat's no lock =|

[Q] Is anyone able to locate yourself with GPS alone?

With data from network I can identify the location instantly. However, if I uncheck "Use wireless network", I have never located myself on Googles Maps. Is it a defect on the GPS?
Thanks in advance!

Google maps doesn't includes world map installed, it only store some caches.. you still need network to download map data & network based location, GPS is used for more accurate result & yes it's true p970 gps is not so good.

lesp4ul said:
Google maps doesn't includes world map installed, it only store some caches.. you still need network to download map data & network based location, GPS is used for more accurate result & yes it's true p970 gps is not so good.
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Thanks for your help! In fact, I already have cache of Google Maps, then turn off the wireless connection, to figure out the performance of the GPS alone. It sucks!
BTW, I used HTC Touch before and its GPS could identify the location very quickly.

have you test with the GPS fix (in hidden menu) ?

Actually you are wrong, GPS in very good in OB.
I used it for a trip of 700 KM and it has difficulty only the first time when it aquires a position (this is normal if you don't use AGPS) like 3-4 minutes...
On the road I turned off GPS by simply locking the screen (IGO8), and on relaunch the GPS position will not take more than 30 seconds. I don't have any data on my contract so it was purely GPS!
The first time it's normal to take a very long time because a large number of sattelites have to be aquired to for pin-point accuracy. Afterword I think it works with 2-3 visible sattelites!
My previous phone was a HTC Diamond, and it was exactly the same if I dind't used the GPS app every day that downloaded sattelites in advance.

It works but it's slow (as it should be). For me it's around 1 minute in hidden menu. Best place for testing outside hidden menu is Compass app (If you don't have data connection for maps)
For hidden menu:
1. Go into the LG hidden menu (3845#*970#)
2. Go into GPS Test
Test it (you need activated GPS of course)
if it's really slow, try this (I think it's if you use network to pinpoint but everyone is suggesting it, so I will too)
1. Go into System Settings
2. SULP Setting -> SLP Server Setting
create new:
Nokia (slp address: supl.nokia.com, port: 7275, no cert and no TLS setting)
If it still doesn't work, try other variants (LGE SUPL, Spirent, etc).

Thanks everyone!
It works now! The. GPS is quite sensitive!
Sent from my LG-P970 using XDA App

In the gps test in the hidden menu, there's not such option as gps fix.
Me too, I'm interested in using my gps without the assistance of the network cells. I've already tried the three supl servers and it doesn't seems to work for me. So, if someone knows how to use it without network assistance I'll be really grateful.
Thanks in advance.

It should work out of the box.. afaik, you don't need to mess with the SLP servers unless you are using some sort of assisted GPS mode (with wifi or 3g connection). I'm using it straight out of the box (after installing the fresh firmware) and it works normal in the car (1-2 minutes first fix, a couple of seconds for any other subsequent fix). Getting a first fix while on foot does take a bit longer, but that's true with all the other non-android devices I've had. the OB has normal (no more, no less) sensitivity when it comes to GPS.

i think there it`s a problem in OB mine has problems with gps too , and already o try`d all kind of apps and even use the gps standalone from the fresh new update soft and nothing , fix the gps for the first time and after then i can`t travel with standalone gps