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I've got a Cingular SX66 that I upgraded to http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_5.1.1700_build_14343_Upgrade]WM 5 Build 14343 from the XDA Wiki.
Windows Mobile 5 has been running pretty crappy - not letting me answer calls, running slowly, it just isn't worth upgrading to (for me, anyway).
I really want to go back to WM2003, but I've read that the http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=91465#91465]ROM doesn't work - can anyone help me out?
Is there a way I can downgrade back to WM2003 and have everything working? If you know how to do this or (preferably) have done it yourself, I'd really appreciate at least somewhat detailed instructions. Thanks.
Excuse me but did you do ANY research at all on this before you upgraded? Every other post here states " READ THE WIKI".... A couple minutes worth of browsing the forums here and you would have had enough first hand user accounts of WM5 and then maybe you could have made an intellegent decision regarding possibly turning your device into a "brick" and positively voiding your warranty.
If you look around just a little more you'll find that the downgrade is very painless. Mamaich and others have painstakinly documented the complete downgrade procedure. It's on the same page that you dl'ed the upgrade from ... the quick link is http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Downgrade_WM5
Good luck!
SX66 (PH20B1) [Cingular]
ROM: 5.03.02 WWE
ROM date: 03/02/05
Ext ROM: 1.1.9.106
Radio: 1.15.00
Wow. Did I do any research? Yes, I linked to a page with a discussion about people doing the downgrade and having their Radio completely not work.
I guess you made the exact same totally intelligent decision as I did when you yourself upgraded the exact same device to WM5?
If *you* take 10 seconds to check the link that you posted, you'll see that in step #2, the only ROM available for the SX66 did not pass their tests and that, oh, what's this? The Radio doesn't work, just like the discussion I linked to.
Please don't assume I'm an idiot. Hacking handheld ROMs is not something you should get all offensive and riled up about.
Thanks for nothing. Does anyone have any other info?
hmmm... I have pda2k and I upgrade and downgrade all teh time... is the problem you are talking about specific to sx66?
FedoraPunk I never meant to call you an idiot, just curious on why you did an upgrade after discovering that many people had problems going back? Yes I have the same device. And the first time I did the downgrade, back in July, there wasn't a step 2 ... I took a big chance when Buzz, Mamaich and company started this particular forum knowing that I could very well blow up my device. I'm not riled and I apoligize if I'm offensive to you, I just didn't understand your decision to upgrade after learning the facts.
I personally have upgraded and downgraded my device at least 15 times since then, with no problems going back to WM 2003 excepting an ocassional ActiveSync issue downgrading to 3.8
What I suggest is to use Chris' SX66 (Blue Angel) Standardization Project at http://sx66-blueangel.home.comcast.net/
Replace the Standard and Extended Roms with his cooked ROM's. Any problems just ask and I'll be happy to help.
SX66 (PH20B1) [Cingular]
ROM: 5.03.02 WWE
ROM date: 03/02/05
Ext ROM: 1.1.9.106
Radio: 1.15.00
I have (personally) upgrade & downgrade SX66 myself using the link provided above and did not run into any issues.
What exactly are not working after downgrading? Maybe I can check (if I decided to downgrade again)
Ok, I got the right ROM from Chris's site (I chose the 1.33.51 because it's 2003 with WMP10) but I don't know which Radio ROM to flash - can I use 1.15.00? Or is there one that 2003 likes?
I'm using 1.15 with no problems. I personally use the 1.40 but that's me.
Good luck.
Steven
btw, I just went back to WM 2003 less than an hour ago ......
SX66 (PH20B1) [Cingular]
ROM: 1.40.00 WWE
ROM date: 03/102/05
Ext ROM: 1.40.125 WME
Radio: 1.15.00
Aright, I got 2003 back on there no sweat.
I wanna put radio 1.15, but the directions I'm getting are confusing me. I've got an SX66, unlocked. Could someone send me the deviceinfo or whatever it is? I've got the ROM and the Update app, I'm just fuzzy on what else to do.
Simply replace the radio rom file (radio.nbf) with the new radio rom and run MaUpgradeUt_noID. Being that you've already installed the Rom of choice simply rename / move that file from the install directory on your PC. I personally have never lsot any data or configuration settings by upgrading the radio this way.
Steven
SX66 (PH20B1) [Cingular]
ROM: 1.40.00 WWE
ROM date: 03/102/05
Ext ROM: 1.40.125 WME
Radio: 1.15.00
I tried that, and got the device ID error. I need some file to tell the updater what device or something?
I have the same problem with that. I used to uninstall AS 4.1 and put 3.8 back on. However now I've gone back and forth so many times with AS that 4.1 won't entirely uninstall. I have to run AS 4.1 now. I use 2nd computer, install AS 3.8, do not configure sync. Place device in bootloader mode and the run the MaUpgradeUt_noID.
Steven
SX66 (PH20B1) [Cingular]
ROM: 1.40.00 WWE
ROM date: 03/102/05
Ext ROM: 1.40.125 WME
Radio: 1.15.00
Hell yeah - I had to figure out which radio 1.15 file to use, but I got this thing working and signal strength does seem better.
Hello all.
I just found this place and it's great!
I am in the USA and I have a Siemens SX66 with Cingular, running the default ROMS.
I've read there has been issues with with WM5 and others seem to not have any trouble.
What ROMs should I upgrade to?
From links here I also found: http://sx66-blueangel.home.comcast.net/
Are system ROM 1.40.00 and Radio ROM 1.13.00 my best options?
Thanks again, this is really a great site!
I personally would suggest applying the standard and extended ROM's from Chris' SX66 (Blue Angel) Standardization Project which you referenced, then upgrading the radio to 1.15. WM5 is cewl looking and the persistent storage can be a life saver. I go back and forth, probably more than 30 times, hoping that one day the speed and reliability will come through. Being a corporate geek / consultant that hates crackberries I dream of true push mail. However I'm so dependant on Microsoft Voice and my BT that I keep going back to WM 2003, Chris' ROM's being the best.
Best of luck to you in whichever way you go.
btw, Cingular is releasing the 8125 this month! YIPPEE !!!
(guess the wife will get my BA has a hand me down... )
Steven
SX66 (PH20B1) [Cingular]
ROM: 1.40.00 WWE
ROM date: 03/10/05
Ext ROM: 1.40.125 WME
Radio: 1.15.00
I recently upgraded to 1.42 with my own Extended Rom. Since then (probably two weeks ago), I haven't had to reset my phone for one-way sound, wifi not wanting to turn on, bluetooth insufficient driver memory or any of the other minor problems that forced me to reset my phone at least every other day with the 1.40 rom.
If you are going to try the upgrade, copy this extended rom to your device, then use the BA_TMNL_14200_115_11300_ship upgrade (delete all nbf files except nk.nbf). I was able to use the MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe file to load this rom. I think I had to run it twice (first time it puts the device in bootloader mode but gives error, leave it in the bootloader mode and run it again.)
BTW, I had already upgraded to radio 1.15, so you might want to do that first.
Hmmm. FTP not working for me from work, I'll upload the ExtRom tonight and update this post.
Hi,
I upgraded a Cingular SX66 unit using maupgradeut_noid and the latest AKU 3.5.2 WM5 ROM. Afterward, I had no radio ROM so I updated to the 1.15.00 release. However, my phone is still unable to make/receive calls or data (with multiple good SIMs.) It appears the radio ROM is having issues with this WM5 package because sometimes on hard restarts the boot screen lists R: and G: as NONE, but after a soft reboot they usually show the correct versions.
I searched and can't find any postings about this type of behavior. Nothing useful to report from the phone other than it says "phone is not ready" and "no service" with a good SIM.
I have several of these PDAs that I want to distribute to my internal staff with WM5 so they don't have to learn WM2003 (all of our other devices are WM5 or WM6.) Any recommendations on a procedure to test the radio ROM or a different combination of OS and radio ROMs?
Thanks for the help.
PS. running getdevicedata.exe yields the following:
PH20B1 WWE A %CID? 5.35.05. 1.15.00 % 4
downgrade to wm2003 and try to flash again radio 1.15 and post the results
sandimashsfootballrules said:
Hi,
I upgraded a Cingular SX66 unit using maupgradeut_noid and the latest AKU 3.5.2 WM5 ROM. Afterward, I had no radio ROM so I updated to the 1.15.00 release. However, my phone is still unable to make/receive calls or data (with multiple good SIMs.) It appears the radio ROM is having issues with this WM5 package because sometimes on hard restarts the boot screen lists R: and G: as NONE, but after a soft reboot they usually show the correct versions.
I searched and can't find any postings about this type of behavior. Nothing useful to report from the phone other than it says "phone is not ready" and "no service" with a good SIM.
I have several of these PDAs that I want to distribute to my internal staff with WM5 so they don't have to learn WM2003 (all of our other devices are WM5 or WM6.) Any recommendations on a procedure to test the radio ROM or a different combination of OS and radio ROMs?
Thanks for the help.
PS. running getdevicedata.exe yields the following:
PH20B1 WWE A %CID? 5.35.05. 1.15.00 % 4
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Take it easy
all BA HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AS YOU DESRIBLE
IF YOU USE WM2003 THE PROBLEM WILL DISAPPEAR~ SO，JUST SOFT RESET
YOUR PHONE EVERY TIME YOU CHANGE YOUR BETTERY！！
just one softreset, and when you need to charge, charge it when it reaches the 40%, etc, just don't take out the battery, or you will have to softreset it again for the radio work.
it is just the same with mine sx66, and i don't care at all.
Thanks for the notes...I kind of learned the soft reset 'fix' on my own, a little disappointing but I guess we're stuck with it. Why would I want to downgrade my phone to 2003? The whole point was to move to WM5 so my users and support team all work with the same interface.
Of course...my next project is to find out why SMSplus works on 8525 phones and not 8125 (standard Cingular OS load.) Might have to upgrade the 8125s to WM6 (sigh)
Hi all, I 've just update my Tilt to the WWE WM6.1 ROM, but after that, when I connect the Tilt with my computer & soft reset the tilt, it will hangs at startup screen, if I disconnect it & soft reset, it becomes normal, anyone has this problem too?
here is the information of my tilt:
ROM ver: 3.28.405.0 CHT <----I sure I load the WWE 6.1 ROM to it?
ROM date: 05/02/08
Radio version: 1.65.16.25
Protocol version: 25.83.40.02H
this is just the tip of the iceberg. wait until you notice other issues, especially if you were using lots of 3rd party software. core media player and skype are two very commonly used pieces of software that dont work as well. i have spent the whole of sunday torturing myself with this update.
i tried to be careful and waited until the official rom update appeared. i was patient and i thought i was wise, but it didnt help. i might have to revert back to 6.0 after a few days of testing
This should have been posted in the ROM section but anyways you need to check out this to see how pissed people are about it so dont think its just yourself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2233188#post2233188
Hi Guys,
thanks for the good job you'all are doing. Will appreciate whatever help i can get to resolve this issue with my phone. I have the HTC TYTN II which i recently upgraded to WM 6.1 using the official ROM which i donwloaded from HTC website. Since then i have noticed that sometimes it seems my phone is dialing itself or a call is coming in. The funny part is though every other function is working i wont be able to answer this phone. It will seem to hang. Then after a while i will get the cprog.exe error. To be able to make phone calls i have to soft reset the phone. i have had to hard reset my phone twice already with no solution. Also googling has not been able to provide any answer too. I just sent an email to HTC Technical support now but with experience i doubt if i will get any useful response. So this is my last resort.
It is also pertinent to note here too that intermittently i do get the tmail.exe errors.
Hi,
I am having the same problem after the upgrade..frequently its becoming stoned! requiring restart many time during the day...which was not the case before...anybody has got any solution???
I love my TyTn II but not the 6.1 ..its not stable!
azuka said:
Hi Guys,
I have the HTC TYTN II which i recently upgraded to WM 6.1 using the official ROM which i donwloaded from HTC website. ........ errors.
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Azuka, who so ever upgraded to 6.1 from HTC experienced the same problem even i myself suffered the same. So your only solution is to downgrade to 6 but before doing that you must HardSPL your phone ...
Two words... bad flash.
Regardless of what you might hear about WM 6.1 being unstable/unusable, it's simple NOT TRUE. Head over to the Kaiser Wiki, read up on flashing HardSPL (really read), and then once you have HardSPL'd your phone, flash a different ROM.
But please do not make the mistake of asking for recommendations on which ROM to use. The ROM that works best for me probably will not work best for you, in terms of programs loaded and cosmetically.
NotATreoFan said:
Two words... bad flash.
Regardless of what you might hear about WM 6.1 being unstable/unusable, it's simple NOT TRUE. Head over to the Kaiser Wiki, read up on flashing HardSPL (really read), and then once you have HardSPL'd your phone, flash a different ROM.
But please do not make the mistake of asking for recommendations on which ROM to use. The ROM that works best for me probably will not work best for you, in terms of programs loaded and cosmetically.
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Thanks for your reply. Your two words "Bad Flash" got me thinking. How could that be. I thought so too and had to re-download the file from htc website and re-installed.
About HardSPL'd your phone, from reading the wiki i now know what it is. But there is no instruction out there to HardSPL'd. Do i need to get the file and copy unto my phone or what?
thanks.
Head over to the Wiki, and under ROM Upgrading - Tools, I added an entry to HardSPL v3.xx. All the instructions needed are in that thread.
NotATreoFan said:
Head over to the Wiki, and under ROM Upgrading - Tools, I added an entry to HardSPL v3.xx. All the instructions needed are in that thread.
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Thanks for your help for far. This is an update of where i am today and a few questions i need your help to answer:
I took my phone into the retialer where i bought and who serve as the service center for HTC here in Doha, Qatar. They re-installed the WM 6.1 OS and so far i dont have the issues i was having before. However i do experience momentary screen freezes which eases off after a few second. Right the device information is as follows:
ROM Version: 3.28.405.0 WWE
ROM date: 05/02/08
Radio Version: 1.65.17.56
Protocol Version: 25.83.40.02H
Going into the bootloader the i see the following information:
KAIS130
SPL-3.28.0000
CPLD-8
Which i believe confirms that the HardSPL is 3.28 - please correct me if i am wrong. Now my questions are as follows:
1. How do i resolve the momentary freezing?
2. Do i still need to do a HardSPL giving that mine is showing 3.28?
3. And your answer to do above is Yes which version do i need to do? 3.28 or 3.29 or even 3.56
Thank you once again.
azuka said:
Thanks for your help for far. This is an update of where i am today and a few questions i need your help to answer:
I took my phone into the retialer where i bought and who serve as the service center for HTC here in Doha, Qatar. They re-installed the WM 6.1 OS and so far i dont have the issues i was having before. However i do experience momentary screen freezes which eases off after a few second. Right the device information is as follows:
ROM Version: 3.28.405.0 WWE
ROM date: 05/02/08
Radio Version: 1.65.17.56
Protocol Version: 25.83.40.02H
Going into the bootloader the i see the following information:
KAIS130
SPL-3.28.0000
CPLD-8
Which i believe confirms that the HardSPL is 3.28 - please correct me if i am wrong. Now my questions are as follows:
1. How do i resolve the momentary freezing?
2. Do i still need to do a HardSPL giving that mine is showing 3.28?
3. And your answer to do above is Yes which version do i need to do? 3.28 or 3.29 or even 3.56
Thank you once again.
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I have the freezing issues too. Two things has helped me reduce the frequency (and improve general responsiveness of the device):
1. I've disabled the HTC task manager application - that helps a lot on responsiveness
2. Each time I soft reset the phone, I manually kill the mstli.exe process - that helps a lot on the freezing issues.
regards,
Spip
Just to share some experiences
So I have the TyTN II and I recently upgraded to the official HTC WM6.1.
I have none of these problems of screen freezing, unstable rom, etc etc etc...
However, I do suffer from occasional program error message and asks me quite a few times to send the report to microsoft.
But this only happens when I load certain third party softwares and then close them down.
I attribute this to compatibility issues with WM6.1...maybe I'm wrong. But that's what I think anyway.
azuka said:
Going into the bootloader the i see the following information:
KAIS130
SPL-3.28.0000
CPLD-8
Which i believe confirms that the HardSPL is 3.28 - please correct me if i am wrong. Now my questions are as follows:
1. How do i resolve the momentary freezing?
2. Do i still need to do a HardSPL giving that mine is showing 3.28?
3. And your answer to do above is Yes which version do i need to do? 3.28 or 3.29 or even 3.56
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You do not have HardSPL on your phone. You have SPL 3.28, which was flashed to your phone as part of the WM 6.1 upgrade. If you want to try out custom ROMs, you will still need to flash HardSPL 3.xx.
I recommend flashing HardSPL 3.56. It was ripped from an AT&T build, but seems to work great with all flavors of WM 6.1.
As for the freezing, it cannot be eliminated 100%. But with a good cooked ROM and the right HardSPL, you will rarely experience one.
I had this issue and it was just down to previous HardSPL being left at an early version (I think around 1.02) on the device and if you apply this latest HTC stock ROM update you get a bad flash and freezing especially in the threaded SMS app.
Install any HardSPL later than 3.00 then redo the ROM update and it should cure it.
Thanks guys. I just did the HardSPL 3.56 and re-installed the HTC official 6.1 ROM. So let's see how it goes.
Btw, HardSPL-ing is not as difficult as it seems though.
Right now the following is my configuration:
KAIS130
SPL-3.56.Hard
CPLD-8
Device Information is as follows:
ROM Version: 3.28.405.0 WWE
ROM Date: 05/02/08
Radio version: 1.65.17.56
Protocol version: 25.83.40.02H
Thanks all.
NotATreoFan said:
You do not have HardSPL on your phone. You have SPL 3.28, which was flashed to your phone as part of the WM 6.1 upgrade. If you want to try out custom ROMs, you will still need to flash HardSPL 3.xx.
I recommend flashing HardSPL 3.56. It was ripped from an AT&T build, but seems to work great with all flavors of WM 6.1.
As for the freezing, it cannot be eliminated 100%. But with a good cooked ROM and the right HardSPL, you will rarely experience one.
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If I want to downgrade from official wm 6.1 to official wm 6.0 that is in xda, do I need a spl or hardspl ???
By the way, the problem I am having with WM 6.1 is support code 86000107, sync problem that until today don't see a solution
if u need upgrade or downgrade then u r speaking about a need for hardspl
dkiersz said:
If I want to downgrade from official wm 6.1 to official wm 6.0 that is in xda, do I need a spl or hardspl ???
By the way, the problem I am having with WM 6.1 is support code 86000107, sync problem that until today don't see a solution
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Just a quick update. After HardSPL-ing my phone it worked well for sometime then the tmail.exe error surfaced. I have only had the cprog.exe error - where a call comes in and i can not answer neither can i make another call until i soft reboot - has only happened once or twice. Apart from these the phone has been working well.
Anyway i just got a reply from my earlier mail to HTC and thought i should post if here for people's information. Apparently they are aware of these issues and working on them. Read for yourselves:
New Response From [ Maha Mamer (Qatar Support (Tech)) ]
Thank you for contacting HTC Corporation Middle East Support Dear Mr. Felix First of all we are very sorry for our late reply Please, if your problem still exist with this error message, you can try one of two options. 1- go to Start> Settings> System(tab)> error reporting> and disable the error reporting option. 2- If this did not solve your problem, then you might need to get back to WM6.0 until we finish our update for the new release of WM6.1 with the new modification for our web site. Please do not hesitate to contact us back for any inquires. Please note that you could also contact us by phone on our hot lines. http://www.htc.com/mea-en/CA_Hotline.aspx?region=MEA Sincerely, thank you for choosing HTC Corporation HTC Corporation Middle East Support Team http://www.htc.com/mea-en/default.aspx
Just an observation here:
After reading somewhere on these pages that the erratic behavior of TYTN II could be due to bluetooth adapter i decided to go some days without my Motorola S9 bluetooth ear piece i am yet to experience any of the issues i had before. Could the bluetooth software for WM 6.1 be the issue?
Momentary Freezing - Resolved?
azuka said:
Thanks guys. I just did the HardSPL 3.56 and re-installed the HTC official 6.1 ROM. So let's see how it goes.
Btw, HardSPL-ing is not as difficult as it seems though.
Right now the following is my configuration:
KAIS130
SPL-3.56.Hard
CPLD-8
Device Information is as follows:
ROM Version: 3.28.405.0 WWE
ROM Date: 05/02/08
Radio version: 1.65.17.56
Protocol version: 25.83.40.02H
Thanks all.
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Did you ever resolve your momentary freezing issues? I have a new TYTN II that I upgraded to WM 6.1. I used hardspl 1.0 to do that but after reading numerous posts, I loaded HArdspl 3.28. After installing hardSPL 3.28, the 5 second freezes are less frequent but happen everyday.
I am not sure where to go from here? load another HSPL? Reload '3.28.405.0 (Radio 1.65.16.25) original HTC WWE (World Wide English) ' ROM?
As you know these pauses are very annoying.
Tytn II - Kaiser
ROM Version: 3.28.405.0 WWE
ROM Date: 05/02/08
Radio version: 1.65.16.25
Protocol version: 25.83.40.02H
wa4cbg said:
Did you ever resolve your momentary freezing issues? I have a new TYTN II that I upgraded to WM 6.1. I used hardspl 1.0 to do that but after reading numerous posts, I loaded HArdspl 3.28. After installing hardSPL 3.28, the 5 second freezes are less frequent but happen everyday.
I am not sure where to go from here? load another HSPL? Reload '3.28.405.0 (Radio 1.65.16.25) original HTC WWE (World Wide English) ' ROM?
As you know these pauses are very annoying.
Tytn II - Kaiser
ROM Version: 3.28.405.0 WWE
ROM Date: 05/02/08
Radio version: 1.65.16.25
Protocol version: 25.83.40.02H
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Actually the freezing is barely existent. Even the other issues seemed to have disappeared since i stopped using my bluetooth.
How to Stop Momemtary Freezing
azuka said:
Actually the freezing is barely existent. Even the other issues seemed to have disappeared since i stopped using my bluetooth.
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I am looking for a solution. Not using Blue tooth to use a device that costs over 600.00 just doesn't make sense to me.
Is there a ROM hardSPL combination that will give me freeze-free performance or is this an HTC problem that is not solvable. I just can't believe that every Kaiser user that has upgraded to wm 6.1 has the same issue that I have with momentary freezes that last up to 5 seconds.
Is the solution another ROM, another Hspl, another phone? Who can help me resolve this issue? Is there a better place to post this?
Thank you
Freezes and locks.
Prior to my upgrading my AT&T Tilt to WM6.1 which I did today. I was experiancing LONG freezes, listening to music or just waiting for menus. I could not determine any specific software that was the cause. I tend to install a lot. Did a hard reset, didn't install the AT&T bloat, reinstalled my primary apps MS Voice Command 1.6 (a Must). Still same issues... Occationally could NOT answer calls. Hit the green button, or the answer option on screen. the onscreen 'answer' would flash, but I could not use the phone until a soft reset. LONG process when you are waiting for a call back.
AT&T sent me a new phone which I got and installed the NEW wm 6.1 before anything. Worked pretty well, but I had not made any calls or recieved any all day. I did listen to several hours of music on my Motorola S9 headset and made sure Audible Player would work. Two apps I use daily.
All seems well, except NOW I get the cprog.exe error. I decided to test my phone with a simple incoming call. Before I ended it, it went dead. Not sure what the HardSPL is yet. Will look into that. Just thought I'd let others know that the lag, AT&T seemed to think was a hardware issue so they replaced my Tilt.
Software installed; MS Voice Command 1.6, Live Search, Audible Player, TCPMP, FlashBundle, GPSToday. Pretty much it besides the AT&T bloat that came with the ROM. Good luck