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The video created by Kaiser is terrible!
Look into the example in this thread. Those people were just walking, normally.
And the video result is really bad, blurry on movement.
Did I do something wrong?
maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
No, there is no configuration like that.
I can only choose "video mode" and resolution.
No frame per second setting.
pepeto2001 said:
maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
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With what kind of device are you comparing it to?
Another cameraphone that performs better, or a real video camera?
I have zero expectations from any cameraphone. They all have abysmal quality, it's a fundamental reality with the compromises in optics and sensor size needed to keep the phone portable.
I think you do something wrong...
Show in THIS Thread and you will see what a Video can look like. The Video there are very ok to good in my opinion..
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Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
something is wrong you have 3fps in that video
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Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
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Doesnt resolution = quality?
I tried a quick video last night (poor indoor lighting conditions) and i got exactly the same result - so hopefully it's merely because of the poor lighting.
I'll make some other vids and post them when i can!
This is very bad... but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
Great, i can't open MP4s anymore! Quicktime comes up with:
-Error -2401: an invalid sample description was found in the movie.
lame!
Ok, I can confirm that this kind of bad video is caused by the indoor situation.
This morning, I created outdoor video something like in the other thread and it is nice.
See in the attachment.
Glad it was not a problem with hardware!
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This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
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Yeah...that's great...
So, anyone with a little photographic background/experience could have thought up the explanation for your 3fps problem....: in low light the frame rate goes down like the shutterspeed on a regular photocamera would.
Sounds perfectly normal/plausible to me
Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
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Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
you may want to check to make sure you do not have multiple other programs running when you go into video mode (memory crunch may slow performance)
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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I think the N95 took great pics too, but do you think it's fair to compare the two? I think it's more fair to compare the E90 to the Tytn 2 as I think these two devices have more relations, than a multimedia device like the N95
Certainly, TyTn II is not for you
I have not and will not try N95, even though the camera and video might be better (obviously, because N95 is 5 MP), because simply Symbian is not my preferred Mobile OS.
Oh btw, I cant live without built-in qwerty keyboard ... that's all.
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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1. The N95 really isn't a multimedia device. It's an advanced smartphone with extremely powerful hardware, but that label doesn't sell It does just about everything the TyTN II does, only lacking the qwerty and touch screen. Screen size is about the same and the resolution is identical. I prefer the Microsoft OS over S60, but that is my personal preference and I must admit that S60 have some very strong points over WM (and vice versa, of course).
2. I don't need the qwerty, but that doesn't mean that TyTN II isn't for me. Previously I have owned the Magician + a few MS smartphones and latest the Mio A701, so WM is by no means new to me. A few months back I got the feeling that it was time to replace the A701 and with TyTN II nowhere in sight, really I could see no WM device being a serious competition to the N95. So I got the Nokia, my first mobile of that brand for about 5 years
So, with the TyTN II now in the hands of normal users, I decided to have a look at this site for info and unfortunately it looks like even TyTN II can't compete evenly with the N95 on all points. All is not lost, though, if the compression algorithm is updated to something less destructive. I do believe the cam hardware of TyTN II is better than the current software, which can only be a positive thing. So HTC, bring on the first firmware update, please
Am I the only one here complaining of the very bad video quality taken with the Kaiser (TyTN II) apparently caused by the low frame rate ? I don't think so, because I've heard few other people complaining of the same thing....
I just want you guys to either raise your voice or suggest a solution... I used to take much better videos using older HTC models, and the Kaiser supposed to be doing better than those older models, not worse....
Check out the following YouTube clip to compare the Kaiser to Nokia N95..... What a shame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz9lqEATEA0
Yes, its utterly useless. The 8525 was better. Why?
wow striking comparison. there's got to be a way to up the FPS via the registry...
I tried changing both the fps and bitrate in the registry but see no improvement.
I believe it will require software or driver update through HTC... I hope they are aware of it.... guys we have to email HTC so they will be aware of it (if they are not already)
Yup, this is a hard/software problem; no known player works at a decent speed.
I wonder if you can disable the autofocus of the camera and make the video quality better?
The front facing camera does not have auto focus and it shoots much better video.
Bummer. This was a major selling point to me and I have yet to get decent quality.
I haven't done much encoding, so I thought it was my bad on the encode side.
So even with TCPMP/Core Player and optimal encode settings, it's still bad? People have been saying sling player works well, is it because they stream at a low frame rate?
EDIT: Doing a bit more research, seems some people have gotten decent performance...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298126 (but on Wizard)
Here is some hope for it being just an encoding/settings issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336063&highlight=video (Page 2)
from another forum
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/htc-...5/93396-video-performance-recomendations.html
But this seems to suggest there is some firmware work to be done before any "real" improvement can take place.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339173&highlight=video
And here, the recommendation is the .7x TCPMP (should be the right one under the Kaiser CABS sticky)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336433&highlight=video
Seems there is quite a bit of competing info on this. Can anyone confirm settings that work? If so, please post details of player/settings/encoding rates/codec/ etc. Maybe there is a sweet spot that will make do until a firmware update can be had (if this is even a possible fix).
This thread is pertaining to video -capture- quality, not playback.
Yes, good catch. Playback also seems to be disappointing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339173&highlight=video
I wonder if there is any relation.
I cant get the frame rate on my TyTN 2 much above 9 FPS with my Slingbox. Are are and how are people getting these 25 plus frames per second????.
Matt.
Someone please change this thread title to "Low Video Capture Quality" please. lol
Hello everyone,
I currently have a Qtek 9100 (Wizard) and, since I'm changing my phone operator, I have the opportunity to have a brand new phone at low cost, and I chose the Kaiser.
BUT, reading a little bit forum like these, i falled on the issue of the "missing" hardware acceleration of the graphic chip.
What I am looking for is:
* Having the same video quality with my Wizard (TCPMP, under WM5, i'm totally satisfied and I downsample my videos, i won't be annoyed to do the same).
* Having at least the same other capability that I use (PocketOffice, WIFI/GSM etc... Web browsing ...)
* HAVING A "REAL" KEYBOARD (not on screen only)
Do you think I should buy something else ? What should i look to ?
Thank in advance and sorry for my frenchy english
acidbao said:
Hello everyone,
I currently have a Qtek 9100 (Wizard) and, since I'm changing my phone operator, I have the opportunity to have a brand new phone at low cost, and I chose the Kaiser.
BUT, reading a little bit forum like these, i falled on the issue of the "missing" hardware acceleration of the graphic chip.
What I am looking for is:
* Having the same video quality with my Wizard (TCPMP, under WM5, i'm totally satisfied and I downsample my videos, i won't be annoyed to do the same).
* Having at least the same other capability that I use (PocketOffice, WIFI/GSM etc... Web browsing ...)
* HAVING A "REAL" KEYBOARD (not on screen only)
Do you think I should buy something else ? What should i look to ?
Thank in advance and sorry for my frenchy english
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Apart from the Video acceleration driver, Kaiser is great. I think soon there will be an accelerated driver available, so Kaiser will be finally the best
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Apart from the Video acceleration driver, Kaiser is great. I think soon there will be an accelerated driver available, so Kaiser will be finally the best
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I hope you are right(about the driver).
All the screaming for hw video accelaration is somewhat out of proportions. With a cooked ROM, configured for performance, the Kaiser is a fast efficient and well-working unit.
You can playback livestreamed youtube videos perfectly with TCMP, high-resolution and bitrate content such as movies won't run smooth unless you downsample them to a more fitting resolution and bitrate. Then they'll playback ok, unless you're an audio/videophile.
As for graphic performance, ported old classics such as Quake and Duke3D runs ok with framerates of 30+ with no problems. All kinds of 2D-games works just fine. Of course, really hefty modern 3D-stuff will give you more problems.
All in all I find the Kaiser a great device with a fantastic community that will probably keep it "alive" in terms of modding, ROMs, tweaks and hacks for a good while into the future. What bugs people, is the fact that it got a great potential hardwarewise thats not fully utilized at the moment, particularly due to the lack of those drivers.
/Mac
Mikulec said:
I hope you are right(about the driver).
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Me too
So the video will never be worst than a Wizard ? Ok
Do you think I should wait like for one month if HTC does the jerk and release a new generation Kaiser with HW acceleration that will not be available on current releases ?
Finally, i don't want to be offensive toward all to your great jobs done on ROM modding (i actually mod everything i have, my routers, my iRiver etc...) but will the performance acceptable if I don't intent to take that risk (actually i will try to mod my old wizard first when i get the Kaiser) ?
M4cr0s said:
All the screaming for hw video accelaration is somewhat out of proportions. With a cooked ROM, configured for performance, the Kaiser is a fast efficient and well-working unit.
You can playback livestreamed youtube videos perfectly with TCMP, high-resolution and bitrate content such as movies won't run smooth unless you downsample them to a more fitting resolution and bitrate. Then they'll playback ok, unless you're an audio/videophile.
As for graphic performance, ported old classics such as Quake and Duke3D runs ok with framerates of 30+ with no problems. All kinds of 2D-games works just fine. Of course, really hefty modern 3D-stuff will give you more problems.
All in all I find the Kaiser a great device with a fantastic community that will probably keep it "alive" in terms of modding, ROMs, tweaks and hacks for a good while into the future. What bugs people, is the fact that it got a great potential hardwarewise thats not fully utilized at the moment, particularly due to the lack of those drivers.
/Mac
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I agree that kaiser is great, I like him too, but I will like him more if he is like he was supposed to be.
btw you forgot the camera issue
Mikulec said:
I agree that kaiser is great, I like him too, but I will like him more if he is like he was supposed to be.
btw you forgot the camera issue
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True that, the Kaiser camera isn't that great, but its not that bad either. Depends a lot on your preferences i.e. do you expect a mobile phone kind of camera or a semi-standalone camera like the dedicated cameraphones of SE and to a lesser extent Nokia, Samsung and LG.
Personally I found that taking pic's when the cam is set to 1 megapixel, brightnes to -1, -1,5 or -2 works way better than in 2 and 3 megapixel resolutions Its faster, better with light and produces 1280x960 pic's thats mostly ok for normal computer use. That said, you don't buy a Kaiser if you want a standalone-camera replacer.
The camera can probably be considerabely improved by ROM-upgrades, hardware video accelaration and better camera software.
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M4cr0s said:
That said, you don't buy a Kaiser if you want a standalone-camera replacer.
The camera can probably be considerabely improved by ROM-upgrades, hardware video accelaration and better camera software.
/Mac
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yes, I agree. But when you want to make a quick picture of something, it is almost impossible. But for steady pics its ok.
Hi Guys,
CoreCodec has released a pre-update of CorePlayer that should fix most of the video playback issues on our devices ...
Can someone who is authorized to download the update confirm that it works smooothly with htc Kaiser ?
All owners of CorePlayer 1.x should be able to update for free ...
The Link to the thread in CoreCodec board is here :
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=669.0
Thomas
I just downloaded it on my Touch. So far with the one file i actually had on my Touch the QTV driver shows the video with a black screen. The file plays when I have GDI. I was assuming the Touch may use the same QTV driver. But I think I remember somewhere that BetaBoy wrote that this was for Mpeg4 files only. So i'll look. I was able to run a bench mark using the GDI and QTV settings though. QTV did about 10% higher on this small file.
Hum... I'm currently testing it with a 640x340 xvid file and it seems pretty fluid. Don't really know if I'd say the playback is flawless.
Hi,
Thanks for sharing this news.
I downloaded and installed on my Kaiser.
It feels like my device is much more responsive now!
Also the Touchscreen feels more responsive!
THIS FEELS GOOD
Am I grazy and the only one or what?
Regards,
Leo
Uhm, why would this make the touchscreen more responsive?
You tell me...
It does!
Blowfish64 said:
Uhm, why would this make the touchscreen more responsive?
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I went to the link but I didnt see where to buy it. Is it just the current one for sale?
You can buy Kaiser edition here:
http://www.mobihand.com/product.asp?id=8905
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I went to the link but I didnt see where to buy it. Is it just the current one for sale?
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Upgrade core player
Does anyone know if I can upgrade my core player for free?
I cant seem to find the info on there web site.
Thanks for the help!!
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I just downloaded it on my Touch. So far with the one file i actually had on my Touch the QTV driver shows the video with a black screen. The file plays when I have GDI. I was assuming the Touch may use the same QTV driver. But I think I remember somewhere that BetaBoy wrote that this was for Mpeg4 files only. So i'll look. I was able to run a bench mark using the GDI and QTV settings though. QTV did about 10% higher on this small file.
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Please send a sample of the video via www.yousendit.com to [email protected] so we can take a look at it... thx!!
FYI.... also the speed difference will ONLY be available within CorePlayer itelf when playing back ANY video (not just ASP). Although ASP plays pretty damn flawless based on the early feedback.
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Please send a sample of the video via www.yousendit.com to [email protected] so we can take a look at it... thx!!
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Beta Boy it turns out it isn't the file. I even tried a couple of different mpeg 4 files encoded at 640x480. They play fine if I have it set to GDI but the second I put QTV on it plays black and the player becomes unresponsive. Now I do have the Vogue Touch which uses the CDMA verison of the Kaiser chipset. The case might be that the changes that were made to core media work on the kaiser only so far.
So theoretically, this proggy should play the videos fine, and utilize the unused hardware?
Is there a demo of this bychance, that we can test on our devices. I would gladly get the software if I could see that it works on my phone.
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So theoretically, this proggy should play the videos fine, and utilize the unused hardware?
Is there a demo of this bychance, that we can test on our devices. I would gladly get the software if I could see that it works on my phone.
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Even though my touch can't take advantage of the QTV driver. I do have to admit. This is a real clean player. I've only used the beta's before for youtube, but really like this version leaps and bounds beyond even windows media player. Looks like I gotta relink all my sprint links to go to this player instead of Windows Media. I have to admit this version plays videos better than the others did even in GDI mode.
It's a great program. Hopefully there is something small missing for the Vogue to work with the QTV video mode, but for now in GDI mode it's still leaps and bounds above what I had before. Now gotta figure out how to get youtube to work with this.
you know, both you guys at XDA-Dev as well as the CoreCodec people seem to be trustworthy enough. I'm currently RMAing my cracked phone. So I'll lurk this topic to see if its worked on other peoples phones. If the results seem positive. Then It'll be the first bit of software i install on the new Tilt that'll come in.
beta_boy--Thanks
Hi beta_boy,
Because of your support for our issues, I purchased CorePlayer for our device , but am a vid newb, so having issues, I'll check out the forums on your site.
Alemaker
Coreplayer
Got it. Seems to be better
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Got it. Seems to be better
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Post a bit more info please.
Compare different video files in format/bitrate you have already tried without changing anything else on your device. Subjective will do for the moment as most on here will only be happy with a 'visual' improvement as benchmark figures are no substitute for 'bloody great improvement' !!
Need to know this info (drooling at the mouth at the moment!!)
Many thanks.
Just downloaded it. Looked at two different movies, one in MP4 and one in M4V format. Subjectively they look better, playback was smooth as was motion. Hard to quantify of course (and there is likely a placebo effect)e but overall I'd say it's an improvement.
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Hi everyone,
I've been using my Universal (O2 Exec) for a few years now and think its great.
I do watch quite a lot of video on it, as does my 1 year old !!!
I was trying to decide either to upgrade to a Stellar (Kaiser) or Orbit2 (Polaris) but hearing about the video issues has put me off.
My only prob with the Exec is its size (not that it has got bigger since I purchased!)
Any thoughts or alternative devices with similar specs to those 2 above would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Sam
Maybe I should have said I'm using Pocket DivX Encoder to enocde to avi and BetaPlayer to play (never got round to updating to TCMP)
Sam
Firstly, there are no driver issues with the TyTN II.
Secondly I have had my TyTN II (Kaiser) now for 3 months with no major issues at all.
I watch movies on my device regularly. Just make sure that they are encoded for QVGA and you're fine. I use PocketDIVXencoder and TCPMP but now I use CorePlayer and it's much better.
I watch Youtube videos which I download. Just make sure you have the FLV plugin for TCPMP and you're away. I watch many music videos this way.
Honestly, go ahead and get the TyTN II with a good Mugen 3000 mAh battery.
There very clearly are driver issues with the Tytn II - or at the very least, video performance is well below the expectations of many users (particularly those with experience of previous devices) - hence the Class Action thread and many hundreds if not thousands of complaints all over the web.
I like my Tytn II, I think its a very good device, but then I don't watch much video and I'm not really bothered about its quality. When I do watch it, or use the camera, I generally do notice the poor performance. Despite the 400mhz processor and general snappiness elsewhere, this device does struggle to display fluid video without jumping frames and "tearing" across the picture.
If you're used to watching a lot of video the Tytn II (or any of HTC's other Qualcomm 7200-based handsets like the Polaris etc) almost certainly will dissapoint, and you'll end up pining for your Exec instead. You'd be better off to wait either for the supposed fix from HTC - which was supposed to have been released in March but has now gone extremely quiet - or another model altogether.
As I said, this is coming from someone who's owned a Tytn II for five months and is generally very happy with it.
Boinng said:
There very clearly are driver issues with the Tytn II - or at the very least, video performance is well below the expectations of many users (particularly those with experience of previous devices) - hence the Class Action thread and many hundreds if not thousands of complaints all over the web.
I like my Tytn II, I think its a very good device, but then I don't watch much video and I'm not really bothered about its quality. When I do watch it, or use the camera, I generally do notice the poor performance. Despite the 400mhz processor and general snappiness elsewhere, this device does struggle to display fluid video without jumping frames and "tearing" across the picture.
If you're used to watching a lot of video the Tytn II (or any of HTC's other Qualcomm 7200-based handsets like the Polaris etc) almost certainly will dissapoint, and you'll end up pining for your Exec instead. You'd be better off to wait either for the supposed fix from HTC - which was supposed to have been released in March but has now gone extremely quiet - or another model altogether.
As I said, this is coming from someone who's owned a Tytn II for five months and is generally very happy with it.
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I will second this comment to the T. Love my phone...wish they would fix drivers...but don't do a ton of multimedia with it.
Since you're using an O2 Exec I'm assuming your in a Triband area. Why not consider the HTC P6300? I would if I could do triband. I'm all for the larger screen and especially if you watch a lot of video on it. I also think that uses the Samsung 400 chipset which does video better I believe. You can however get video playing "good" on a Kaiser/Polaris but you have to jump through a lot of hoops to find that sweet spot of codec/bitrate/player happiness. I think TCPMP .81 does video pretty decent. I think a lot of it has to do with how you initially have encoded the video for your phone. But without any tweaking the video playback especially in Windows Media Player can be pretty bad.
I have no problems with my TyTn II, i bought one from o2 a couple weeks back, i use TCPMP to play videos and its worked flawlessly...
Its fast enough, i watch alot of videos via HSDPA and have no problems at all, not too sure what people are moaning about
if you had a previous capable pda (eg: htc hermes/TyTN) then the video issue will be a problem for you.